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Angelhunter	Posted - 2004.08.31 22:53:00 - [1] Edited by: Angelhunter on 31/08/2004 22:58:28 Seems i lost about 20k optimal range between yesterday and today (patch day) wondering where it went. i have the exact same setup, but all my guns lost around 20k on their optimals (all 425 scouts). Repackaged everything but the ship, and it all stays the same, i read over the patch notes and didn't see anything in there about a range nerf or adjustment to tracking enhancer or tracking computers, anyone else having problems??? ---------------
Angelhunter	Posted - 2004.08.31 22:53:00 - [2] Edited by: Angelhunter on 31/08/2004 22:58:28 Seems i lost about 20k optimal range between yesterday and today (patch day) wondering where it went. i have the exact same setup, but all my guns lost around 20k on their optimals (all 425 scouts). Repackaged everything but the ship, and it all stays the same, i read over the patch notes and didn't see anything in there about a range nerf or adjustment to tracking enhancer or tracking computers, anyone else having problems??? ---------------
Vasq	Posted - 2004.08.31 22:55:00 - [3] yep .. me too .. and a corp mate of mine both lost about 15-20 km can't see any change in mods though Smoke me a kipper, i'll be back for breakfast!
Vasq	Posted - 2004.08.31 22:55:00 - [4] yep .. me too .. and a corp mate of mine both lost about 15-20 km can't see any change in mods though Smoke me a kipper, i'll be back for breakfast!
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.08.31 23:46:00 - [5] Havent looked but the damage wasnt different as far as ive noticed. Killed alot of BS with em tonite and they still worked at the same ranges. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.08.31 23:46:00 - [6] Havent looked but the damage wasnt different as far as ive noticed. Killed alot of BS with em tonite and they still worked at the same ranges. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
DarK	Posted - 2004.09.01 00:49:00 - [7] Yeah I noticed this too. My 250mm proto gauss guns used to do 42km before, now only 37km, I wonder if it has anything to do with tracking enhancers/computers getting harsher penalties maybe...so that those new support ships have a purpose.
DarK	Posted - 2004.09.01 00:49:00 - [8] Yeah I noticed this too. My 250mm proto gauss guns used to do 42km before, now only 37km, I wonder if it has anything to do with tracking enhancers/computers getting harsher penalties maybe...so that those new support ships have a purpose.
Angelhunter	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:16:00 - [9] Originally by: DarK Yeah I noticed this too. My 250mm proto gauss guns used to do 42km before, now only 37km, I wonder if it has anything to do with tracking enhancers/computers getting harsher penalties maybe...so that those new support ships have a purpose. Oh man, if thats the case CCP needs to have their heads examined. Changing long-standing game mechanics to make room for ships which take alot of specialized training is just stupid and rediculous. make the new ships give exponential bonus to current mechanics, not nerf current mechanics so new ones bring them back to what they used to be. ---------------
Angelhunter	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:16:00 - [10] Originally by: DarK Yeah I noticed this too. My 250mm proto gauss guns used to do 42km before, now only 37km, I wonder if it has anything to do with tracking enhancers/computers getting harsher penalties maybe...so that those new support ships have a purpose. Oh man, if thats the case CCP needs to have their heads examined. Changing long-standing game mechanics to make room for ships which take alot of specialized training is just stupid and rediculous. make the new ships give exponential bonus to current mechanics, not nerf current mechanics so new ones bring them back to what they used to be. ---------------
Boonaki	Posted - 2004.09.01 06:48:00 - [11] Being in a heavy PVP corp, and the types of PVP we do, I can't see ever taking a support cruiser into fleet battles over another battleship. I've stated before that while it's kind of a cool idea. These things are going to be to expensive to be apoc fodder. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Boonaki	Posted - 2004.09.01 06:48:00 - [12] Being in a heavy PVP corp, and the types of PVP we do, I can't see ever taking a support cruiser into fleet battles over another battleship. I've stated before that while it's kind of a cool idea. These things are going to be to expensive to be apoc fodder. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Dave10	Posted - 2004.09.01 09:14:00 - [13] I'm sure ive gained ~5km on my optimal rage of my 425s w/ AM
Dave10	Posted - 2004.09.01 09:14:00 - [14] I'm sure ive gained ~5km on my optimal rage of my 425s w/ AM
slothe	Posted - 2004.09.01 10:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Boonaki Being in a heavy PVP corp, and the types of PVP we do, I can't see ever taking a support cruiser into fleet battles over another battleship. I've stated before that while it's kind of a cool idea. These things are going to be to expensive to be apoc fodder. These like scorpions will be primary targets in pvp. the only way i can see them working is to be safespotted, then any injured ships go to them for repairs, then go back to fight. Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public" http://www.khainestar.com/eve
slothe	Posted - 2004.09.01 10:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Boonaki Being in a heavy PVP corp, and the types of PVP we do, I can't see ever taking a support cruiser into fleet battles over another battleship. I've stated before that while it's kind of a cool idea. These things are going to be to expensive to be apoc fodder. These like scorpions will be primary targets in pvp. the only way i can see them working is to be safespotted, then any injured ships go to them for repairs, then go back to fight. Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public" http://www.khainestar.com/eve
Shevar	Posted - 2004.09.01 12:50:00 - [17] Originally by: slothe Originally by: Boonaki Being in a heavy PVP corp, and the types of PVP we do, I can't see ever taking a support cruiser into fleet battles over another battleship. I've stated before that while it's kind of a cool idea. These things are going to be to expensive to be apoc fodder. These like scorpions will be primary targets in pvp. the only way i can see them working is to be safespotted, then any injured ships go to them for repairs, then go back to fight. Why not use an apoc or a gheddon then? Cheaper (with insurance calculated in), less training time and can most likely boost more armor/shields then a support cruiser can. (although at closer ranges but that shouldnt be tomuch of a problem i guess). -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar	Posted - 2004.09.01 12:50:00 - [18] Originally by: slothe Originally by: Boonaki Being in a heavy PVP corp, and the types of PVP we do, I can't see ever taking a support cruiser into fleet battles over another battleship. I've stated before that while it's kind of a cool idea. These things are going to be to expensive to be apoc fodder. These like scorpions will be primary targets in pvp. the only way i can see them working is to be safespotted, then any injured ships go to them for repairs, then go back to fight. Why not use an apoc or a gheddon then? Cheaper (with insurance calculated in), less training time and can most likely boost more armor/shields then a support cruiser can. (although at closer ranges but that shouldnt be tomuch of a problem i guess). -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Slam	Posted - 2004.09.01 13:29:00 - [19] Funny you mention it. I'm 99% sure my mega pulses had 70k optimal with radio and 2 track enhancer II's before the patch. Now the opt is 68km. Not gonna cry just think it was strange.
Slam	Posted - 2004.09.01 13:29:00 - [20] Funny you mention it. I'm 99% sure my mega pulses had 70k optimal with radio and 2 track enhancer II's before the patch. Now the opt is 68km. Not gonna cry just think it was strange.
Wulfgard	Posted - 2004.09.01 16:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: DarK Yeah I noticed this too. My 250mm proto gauss guns used to do 42km before, now only 37km, I wonder if it has anything to do with tracking enhancers/computers getting harsher penalties maybe...so that those new support ships have a purpose. Oh man, if thats the case CCP needs to have their heads examined. Changing long-standing game mechanics to make room for ships which take alot of specialized training is just stupid and rediculous. make the new ships give exponential bonus to current mechanics, not nerf current mechanics so new ones bring them back to what they used to be. I couldn't agree more!!! Stop the nerfing CCP ...or give us an option to retrain skills affected by recent changes
Wulfgard	Posted - 2004.09.01 16:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: DarK Yeah I noticed this too. My 250mm proto gauss guns used to do 42km before, now only 37km, I wonder if it has anything to do with tracking enhancers/computers getting harsher penalties maybe...so that those new support ships have a purpose. Oh man, if thats the case CCP needs to have their heads examined. Changing long-standing game mechanics to make room for ships which take alot of specialized training is just stupid and rediculous. make the new ships give exponential bonus to current mechanics, not nerf current mechanics so new ones bring them back to what they used to be. I couldn't agree more!!! Stop the nerfing CCP ...or give us an option to retrain skills affected by recent changes
Lord Nomad	Posted - 2004.09.02 05:32:00 - [23] is there someone from ccp or dev's that could post a reply on this?? can we at least have a small reason for what has been silently done?
Lord Nomad	Posted - 2004.09.02 05:32:00 - [24] is there someone from ccp or dev's that could post a reply on this?? can we at least have a small reason for what has been silently done?
Thomas Covenant	Posted - 2004.09.02 06:29:00 - [25] Edited by: Thomas Covenant on 02/09/2004 06:33:18 Edited by: Thomas Covenant on 02/09/2004 06:32:59 Edited by: Thomas Covenant on 02/09/2004 06:31:40 The issue is with tracking computers and enhancers getting very harsh stacking penalties. After noticing that 20% of my optimal went bye bye, i did some testing. My setup had 3 trcking enhancers 2 and 2 tracking comps 2. b4 patch 1400 scout with plasma ammo had opti of 72km, no it is a little short of 60km (as was std 1400 b4 patch). testing indiacted that you get 15% bounus for 1st tracker, 10% ONLY for 2nd, 9 for 3rd, 8 for 4th and 5th it seems. The big decline from 1st to 2nd is what is resposible for out pain atm... TC P.S. screw that CCP, think first don't nerf later. you gonna buy my 1400 scouts for 70 mil each now that you made them useless??? p.s.2 Fire the ugly idiot master of balance, can someone make that into a banner signature?? TC 2004.08.06 09:21:49combatYour 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I perfectly strikes Guardian Elder, wrecking for 1443.0 damage.
Thomas Covenant	Posted - 2004.09.02 06:29:00 - [26] Edited by: Thomas Covenant on 02/09/2004 06:33:18 Edited by: Thomas Covenant on 02/09/2004 06:32:59 Edited by: Thomas Covenant on 02/09/2004 06:31:40 The issue is with tracking computers and enhancers getting very harsh stacking penalties. After noticing that 20% of my optimal went bye bye, i did some testing. My setup had 3 trcking enhancers 2 and 2 tracking comps 2. b4 patch 1400 scout with plasma ammo had opti of 72km, no it is a little short of 60km (as was std 1400 b4 patch). testing indiacted that you get 15% bounus for 1st tracker, 10% ONLY for 2nd, 9 for 3rd, 8 for 4th and 5th it seems. The big decline from 1st to 2nd is what is resposible for out pain atm... TC P.S. screw that CCP, think first don't nerf later. you gonna buy my 1400 scouts for 70 mil each now that you made them useless??? p.s.2 Fire the ugly idiot master of balance, can someone make that into a banner signature?? TC 2004.08.06 09:21:49combatYour 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I perfectly strikes Guardian Elder, wrecking for 1443.0 damage.
Golgrath	Posted - 2004.09.02 06:40:00 - [27] haha projectiles are now even more useless if this stacking nerf on tracking comps is not a bug.
Golgrath	Posted - 2004.09.02 06:40:00 - [28] haha projectiles are now even more useless if this stacking nerf on tracking comps is not a bug.
Angelhunter	Posted - 2004.09.02 07:09:00 - [29] So once again, can we get an official response on this?? This issue seems to be effecting users of all weaponry, and we would like some answers. NOWHERE in the patch notes did it say anything about weaponry range changes or changes to tracking modules, stealth nerfs are NOT cool! ---------------
Angelhunter	Posted - 2004.09.02 07:09:00 - [30] So once again, can we get an official response on this?? This issue seems to be effecting users of all weaponry, and we would like some answers. NOWHERE in the patch notes did it say anything about weaponry range changes or changes to tracking modules, stealth nerfs are NOT cool! ---------------
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2004.09.02 10:09:00 - [31] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 02/09/2004 10:11:07 If it aint broke dont fix it,, bit of a ***** but ur 1400 scouts arnt useless cos they lost sum rng :/ __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2004.09.02 10:09:00 - [32] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 02/09/2004 10:11:07 If it aint broke dont fix it,, bit of a ***** but ur 1400 scouts arnt useless cos they lost sum rng :/ __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Beldaws	Posted - 2004.09.02 12:19:00 - [33] I think what happened is that they 'fixed' a bug with tracking computers. If you use a mid and low slot tracking computer;/enhancer you didn't get a stacking penality prior to the patch. I use 2 mid slot tracking computers and 1 low slot tracking enhancer and my optimal with my modulated megabeams used to be 140k. Now my optimal is 126k.
Beldaws	Posted - 2004.09.02 12:19:00 - [34] I think what happened is that they 'fixed' a bug with tracking computers. If you use a mid and low slot tracking computer;/enhancer you didn't get a stacking penality prior to the patch. I use 2 mid slot tracking computers and 1 low slot tracking enhancer and my optimal with my modulated megabeams used to be 140k. Now my optimal is 126k.
DeGrand	Posted - 2004.09.02 12:38:00 - [35] No difference here...but I dont use trackingthingies with my 425`s...just a sensorboost..
DeGrand	Posted - 2004.09.02 12:38:00 - [36] No difference here...but I dont use trackingthingies with my 425`s...just a sensorboost..
FZappa	Posted - 2004.09.02 14:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Neon Genesis Edited by: Neon Genesis on 02/09/2004 10:11:07 If it aint broke dont fix it,, bit of a ***** but ur 1400 scouts arnt useless cos they lost sum rng :/ i think almost everyone agrees that 1400mm guns cant hit up close. range is what makes them useful . nerf the tracking mods that add to the gun range , effectivly nerf the 1400 even more . -------------------------
FZappa	Posted - 2004.09.02 14:12:00 - [38] Originally by: Neon Genesis Edited by: Neon Genesis on 02/09/2004 10:11:07 If it aint broke dont fix it,, bit of a ***** but ur 1400 scouts arnt useless cos they lost sum rng :/ i think almost everyone agrees that 1400mm guns cant hit up close. range is what makes them useful . nerf the tracking mods that add to the gun range , effectivly nerf the 1400 even more . -------------------------
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2004.09.02 19:18:00 - [39] Originally by: slothe Originally by: Boonaki Being in a heavy PVP corp, and the types of PVP we do, I can't see ever taking a support cruiser into fleet battles over another battleship. I've stated before that while it's kind of a cool idea. These things are going to be to expensive to be apoc fodder. These like scorpions will be primary targets in pvp. the only way i can see them working is to be safespotted, then any injured ships go to them for repairs, then go back to fight. The ones with massive bonuses to shield rechargers will be handy to safespot and then recharge station shields with. Mind you, with POS the capturable stations may be obsolete... BW Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2004.09.02 19:18:00 - [40] Originally by: slothe Originally by: Boonaki Being in a heavy PVP corp, and the types of PVP we do, I can't see ever taking a support cruiser into fleet battles over another battleship. I've stated before that while it's kind of a cool idea. These things are going to be to expensive to be apoc fodder. These like scorpions will be primary targets in pvp. the only way i can see them working is to be safespotted, then any injured ships go to them for repairs, then go back to fight. The ones with massive bonuses to shield rechargers will be handy to safespot and then recharge station shields with. Mind you, with POS the capturable stations may be obsolete... BW Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
Thomas Covenant	Posted - 2004.09.02 20:20:00 - [41] How many CCP devs does it take to change a lightbulb? None. There is nothing wrong with the lightbulb nah - all of them for 3 month, and there is still nothing wrong with the frigging lightbulb 2004.08.06 09:21:49combatYour 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I perfectly strikes Guardian Elder, wrecking for 1443.0 damage.
Thomas Covenant	Posted - 2004.09.02 20:20:00 - [42] How many CCP devs does it take to change a lightbulb? None. There is nothing wrong with the lightbulb nah - all of them for 3 month, and there is still nothing wrong with the frigging lightbulb 2004.08.06 09:21:49combatYour 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I perfectly strikes Guardian Elder, wrecking for 1443.0 damage.
Munch	Posted - 2004.09.02 21:32:00 - [43] Really is there any dev. that could give us some sort of answer? It's 2 days after patch, and even with the game acting so f***ing stupid, no info has been posted on where some fixes if any will be done. I would be just happier with the previous patch. Oh god i'm afraid to patch to shiva at this point.
Munch	Posted - 2004.09.02 21:32:00 - [44] Really is there any dev. that could give us some sort of answer? It's 2 days after patch, and even with the game acting so f***ing stupid, no info has been posted on where some fixes if any will be done. I would be just happier with the previous patch. Oh god i'm afraid to patch to shiva at this point.
Koris	Posted - 2004.09.03 03:02:00 - [45] I'd like a answer on this and all of the other changes they make and hope you don't notice!
Koris	Posted - 2004.09.03 03:02:00 - [46] I'd like a answer on this and all of the other changes they make and hope you don't notice!
Creagh	Posted - 2004.09.03 04:31:00 - [47] bump here would like to see a dev post on this as well "Always remember to check what you are targeting in eve" Says the man that accidently targeted a sentry gun instead of that gurista aggrogator, opened fire and got mah behind pasted all over the stars <<<<<<<Member of the Stain Alliance>>>>>>>>>
Creagh	Posted - 2004.09.03 04:31:00 - [48] bump here would like to see a dev post on this as well "Always remember to check what you are targeting in eve" Says the man that accidently targeted a sentry gun instead of that gurista aggrogator, opened fire and got mah behind pasted all over the stars <<<<<<<Member of the Stain Alliance>>>>>>>>>

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