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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:14:00 -
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Miilla wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I actually mused on this the other day. What games could I play if I found myself blind?
It's a short list, and Eve ain't on it. I am sure perhaps 99% of games aren't on that list either.
MUDs and old RPGs should work pretty well |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
304
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:14:00 -
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Greyscale Dash wrote:Miilla wrote:
Not at all, I am saying, it will be exploited by botters. I also said, it is manageable.
This isnt just an Eve issue, it is a gaming industry wide issue, makign games accessible to all. And it will also be exploited by cheaters.
Fair enough. Maybe you contact CCP to get an authorization to unlock the disability mode, and then CCP has a list of accounts to pay special attention to?
Well; i wouldn't go far as to require formal certifications of disability be presented to CCP lol, but there is definitely room for a company to make technology available to game developers and make big money , if that is what it takes to motivate them.
I don't honestly think CCP have the money and time and resources to put into this, they would have to license it most likely as would others. Perhaps if you contact Valve and make them more aware of it, Valve are the kind of company that would be able to do this, they got the money and structure for it. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
344
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:17:00 -
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I can understand folks who are color blind, but if a player is blind even with glasses then that player shouldn't be playing Eve. What if CCP revamps the mining industry that requires players to "visually look" at the rocks to determine mineral content and quality?
Then there is the heat of a battle in which braille is not suitable for or even hinders the player in the process. There is a reason assault ship pilots manually fly their ships instead of hitting "orbit".
The only time I could see braille working at its fullest is during station trading.
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
733
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:11:00 -
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I've actually been wondering for some time how long it will take before the same handicapped grievance mongers that demanded every pool and hot tub in the US have an elevator for morbidly obese people and paraplegics start to file lawsuits against game and web developers who don't make their services 100% accessible.
When I was growing up, it was normal to feel sympathy for the handicapped. But now, a group of them have turned into bitter, hateful, ADA-lawsuit fueled blind, deaf, and wheelchaired devils trying to drag their victims down into legal hell. Nowaways when I see someone handicapped, I just think "I wonder who their lawyer is."
I miss the days when they were nice and sweet and the only thing you had to worry about was starring too long. |
Kale Eledar
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
45
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:23:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:EVE is 9 years old. It is a mature project that is late in the life cycle, so it is surprising that no accessibility features have been added.
While UI scaling has helped a bit, there are still no options to play EVE in a minimalistic, text oriented, mode. This mode already exists, it is called the thin client and is used by CCP to mass test without wasting computing time on rendering. With some adjustments the thin client could be made compatible with devices such as Braille displays and text to speech systems.
CCP has written EVE in such a way that is is completely incompatible with Braille displays. EVE lacks any sort of color blind mode and has no high contrast mode. Finally, EVE is moving away from text and towards lots of icons which make it even more difficult for visually impaired people to play.
Instead of fixing these problems CCP has been adding additional graphical updates such as the new missile effects, as if they do not consider accessibility to be a priority. This begs a very simple question: CCP, why u no like blind people?
Discuss.
YOU are "begging the question" in basing your premise on the assumption CCP "no like blind people".
****.
Don't use "begs the question"in to mean "raises the question".
http://begthequestion.info/
It's not that hard.
/unrelated rant
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
1618
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:32:00 -
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CCP needs to add color to EVE for the color blind.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
119
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:33:00 -
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OMG
Blind people have difficulty playing video games?
You heard it here first, on another amazing and not a waste of time at all thread by masternerdguy
There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Josef Djugashvilis
152
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:39:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Why can't dead people play this game
We do.
You want fries with that? |
Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
25
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:39:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Well, space is dark no?
Isn't a Braille display risky with all this ganking going on?
Makes me wonder what the star map is actually saying?
Eve has limited options for visually impaired people? can't see the problem myself. |
Loike
The Alpha and the Omega
Inver Brass
15
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:43:00 -
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Would it hurt CCP to try? Small changes like font size etc can't be that difficult. Op wouldn't have anything to complain if they actually went to the effort to make it look liked the cared. I have heard stories where CCP has in fact been pretty ignorant about the whole thing. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
119
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:45:00 -
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TRIATHALONS DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE SUFFERERS OF LOCKED IN SYNDROME!
RABBLERABBLERABBLE
There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
58
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:51:00 -
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I feel that not only doesn't EVE do anything to assist the visually impaired, I think the game works very hard to MAKE people blind or visually impaired. 
Seriously, no ability to change or scale the UI fonts in a game in 2012? How does that even happen? |
Josef Djugashvilis
152
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:53:00 -
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Copine Callmeknau wrote:TRIATHALONS DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE SUFFERERS OF LOCKED IN SYNDROME!
RABBLERABBLERABBLE
I was not aware that many in the prison population wanted to take part in triathlons.
You want fries with that? |
seany1212
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
160
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:56:00 -
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I DEMAND AUDIO DESCRIPTION FOR THE BLIND!!!
"Your Hulk class mining vessel begins to explode under the blaster fire of Helicity Boson's catalyst"  |
Kaidu Kahn
Party Time Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:58:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:I can understand folks who are color blind, but if a player is blind even with glasses then that player shouldn't be playing Eve.
And inseneitive morons like yourself should just crawl into a hole a do the world a favor and die. I pray that you never lose you sight because it appears you have taken it for granted. There be you but for the grace of God.
I am visually impaired and to say I'm not worthy of playing this game because of my disability is WORNG. I have struggled for years to play this game. UI changes, font changes, forum changes etc. I still play at 800x600 on a 24" LCD with the largest font sizr available.
The op is absolutely correct CCP has given NO thought to the visually impaired, SIMPLE changes would make a world of difference.
1. Larger fonts
2. High contrast text and UI
3. The ability to scale the UI at a lower resolution.
4. Having Aura read emails and alerts
5. Get input on proposed changes from visually impaired or disabled players BEFORE implemented
Changes to allow disabled playes, be it visual, hearing, limb paralysis or otherwise that would allow them to participate in EVE would benefit everyone as well as potentially expanding their playerbase. Most of these changes could be done with little to no additional effort on their part.
I will continue to play EVE to the best of my ability for as long as I can. I only hope that eventually the changes forthcoming will not prevent me from playing.
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seany1212
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
160
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:00:00 -
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Kaidu Kahn wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:I can understand folks who are color blind, but if a player is blind even with glasses then that player shouldn't be playing Eve. I am visually impaired and to say I'm not worthy of playing this game because of my disability is WORNG. I have struggled for years to play this game. UI changes, font changes, forum changes etc. I still play at 800x600 on a 24" LCD with the largest font sizr available.
Except for the last 2 patches they've done nothing but working on the User Interface to improve it for the visually impaired, they've added scaling, improved both the text font and size and spaced more the gaps between targetted items, if you think it is bad now then you clearly haven't been around long enough to complain. Get off your high horse, CCP have attempted at least to improve it for the visually impaired, that's a lot more than other companies can put a claim too  |
Loike
The Alpha and the Omega
Inver Brass
15
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:03:00 -
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OP should get him and his blind friends to join goons, lose a JF and then complain to CCP, certain matter will be resolved in a couple of day. |
Kaidu Kahn
Party Time Inc.
3
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:09:00 -
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seany1212 wrote: if you think it is bad now then you clearly haven't been around long enough to complain.
Kaidu Kahn
Date of Birth 2007-02-04 00:16:00
No I guess that isn't long enough |
seany1212
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
160
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:13:00 -
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Kaidu Kahn wrote:seany1212 wrote: if you think it is bad now then you clearly haven't been around long enough to complain. Kaidu Kahn Date of Birth 2007-02-04 00:16:00 No I guess that isn't long enough
If only there was some service where you could get characters for isk, OH WAIT...
The point is the text before all the UI changes was tiny to those even with good vision and your post slates everything they've worked on since.
EDIT: CCP cannot cater to every disability, no company realistically can as it costs both resources and money, CCP are trying to boost all subscriptions as well as working on EvE and DUST as it is without trying to get voice actors and further UI designers to cater to the hard of seeing. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
630
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:13:00 -
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Quote: 4. Having Aura read emails and alerts
This is precious you blind bastard. The whole of CCP could put down sticks and just work on this forever and they would not solve this problem and if they did they would all make Billions overnight and forget about this game.
Most EVE players we dont have girlfriends because we play this game. Does that mean that CCP employees should come around and blow us to compensate for our losses
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
jason hill
The Riot Formation
Get Off My Lawn
65
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:22:00 -
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i wear hearing aids in both ears .... wait ....eve has sound ? ! .... my corpies despair that i never get on T/S .... or any other voice comms .... can i have special treatment ...no i dont think so .... what makes you so special ?. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
119
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:23:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Copine Callmeknau wrote:TRIATHALONS DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE SUFFERERS OF LOCKED IN SYNDROME!
RABBLERABBLERABBLE I was not aware that many in the prison population wanted to take part in triathlons.
Stroke victims actually
There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Kaidu Kahn
Party Time Inc.
3
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:27:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Quote: 4. Having Aura read emails and alerts This is precious you blind bastard. The whole of CCP could put down sticks and just work on this forever and they would not solve this problem and if they did they would all make Billions overnight and forget about this game.
Maybe if there were already text to speech engine already developed they could easily integrate, Oh wait......
My phone can read my emails, my wifes car can read her emails don't know what the problem is.
Quote:Most EVE players we dont have girlfriends because we play this game. Does that mean that CCP employees should come around and blow us to compensate for our losses
With your attitude and apparent intelligence level I can understand why you don't have a girlfriend. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
734
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:39:00 -
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Kaidu Kahn wrote:
Maybe if there were already text to speech engine already developed they could easily integrate, Oh wait......
My phone can read my emails, my wifes car can read her emails don't know what the problem is.
Your wife's phone also has the licensing fees for that text to speech software baked into the cost. Why should Eve subscribers have to pay fees for something that effects very close to 0% of the Eve population? |
Mathias Hex
130
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:41:00 -
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Mastershitpost
I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
161
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:42:00 -
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Kaidu Kahn wrote:
Maybe if there were already text to speech engine already developed they could easily integrate, Oh wait......
LOL that CCP would have to license at cost when they could pour more money into advertising and increase the overall population. You might be waiting a while... |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
630
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:45:00 -
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All joking aside.
This game has a base of 300k accounts and they are improving the game for the majority. If they stop and spend all there time working on a facet that will only help a tiny proportion of the game it will make the able bodied see the disabled more and more as militants whose rights come before the majority.
I know that only 5% of the blind population are actually blind and the majority fall into your category of partially sighted but can you not find any work arounds. and if you want things changed perhaps you could as a blind man could offer solutions to the problems that you face?
For instance, how would you use brail in this game. As far as im aware screens are flat and not bumpy (i know this was facetious but im sure you understand)
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Tazarak theDeceiver
Hooded Underworld Guys
Northern Associates.
22
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:45:00 -
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This is the only game I can think of playing that didn't accommodate for color blind people with alternate symbols, rather than just differentiating colours.
Yes, this is feeding a troll. But, it is surprising CCP has never done anything about this fact when far worse games have. |
Kaidu Kahn
Party Time Inc.
3
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:55:00 -
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seany1212 wrote:Kaidu Kahn wrote:
Maybe if there were already text to speech engine already developed they could easily integrate, Oh wait......
LOL that CCP would have to license at cost when they could pour more money into advertising and increase the overall population. You might be waiting a while...
If only there were open source solutions available for little to no cost to CCP.......
http://espeak.sourceforge.net/
http://mary.dfki.de/
http://www.naturalreaders.com/index.htm
or maybe even inncluded with you OS.......
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306902
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
403
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:33:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:silens vesica wrote:Dear CCP;
I demand you make silly, pointless, and useless changes to the way you write your game, even if such changes are hideously impractical, ruinously expensive, and /or impossible.
In fact, the less plausible the possible change, the more I demand you make it.
Fail in this, and I shall waggle my finger at you and ***** impotently.
(s)
Thank you,
Whinging Loser. Not only a strawman, but your sarcasm belittles the plight of the blind. If I were a GM I'd ban you from the forums for insensitivity! Trolling the blind?!?
It's okay, the blind can't read anyway.
Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain!
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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