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Constantine Arcanum IMPERIAL SENATE Initiative Associates	Posted - 2009.05.04 11:17:00 - [31] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Constantine Arcanum worst troll i've ever seen. 0/10 Too obvious and relys upon the already discredited poasters opinions above for certification. -10/10 UNACCEPTABLE
Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2009.05.04 11:58:00 - [32] Given that everonye has already covered the armor tank. I'd like to point out that shield tanks are also viable. [Arbitrator, New Setup 1] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Warp Scrambler II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 'Malkuth' Standard Missile Launcher I, Sabretooth Light Missile Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hobgoblin II x2 Hammerhead II x3 Hammerhead II x2 Its cap stable once you turn off the mwd. I fit ac because I have skills there. Nanos can easily become a damage control and a damage mod. And you can lose the shield rigging and go to a t2 mwd to be nicely cheap. It makes nice bait. T2 frigs and dictors die. Obviously not going to beat a gank rupture with a good pilot in the seat. That same gank rupture will die a stupid death in places this setup will slip on through. Thats what nano does for you.
Plestvarnis	Posted - 2009.05.04 16:06:00 - [33] Edited by: Plestvarnis on 04/05/2009 16:07:19 PVP fit: http://eve-ldk.net/kb2/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4206 Good ship for a skilled pillot. You cant fit it to tank much or to have big dps like other cruisers, so the point to win is imunity... Tracking disruptor and neutralaizer combination works perfect. Most cruizers cant even hit you, and most who webs and scrams you, gets nuted, so at least you can escape. Got 105 killmails with it (almost all solo), from frigates to battle ships including t2 intys, af's, and recons. Adventages: for other ppl it looks like a free killmail, but you can loot their wrecks or escape... Disadventages: do not engage misile ships like drakes, cerbs, ravens... Still you can easily kill active tanked caracal ;]
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.05.04 16:12:00 - [34] I'll try that out Gneez, unable to use the ECM drones just yet. Still training up my Navigation skills for Tech 2 MWD. I was carebearing for far too long. Left me with pretty good tanking and pew pew skills, but **** poor Ewar and Navigation skills.
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.05.04 16:37:00 - [35] Edited by: SuiJuris on 04/05/2009 16:37:37 Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 04/05/2009 05:17:52 [Arbitrator, Mini Curse] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I Same drones as the previous fit. Zeba.... that really is a bad fit. Like, really bad. Ruptures should be right in line with what a arbitrator can kill. Fit Tracking disruptors, with 2 tracking disruptors the inc damage from a ruptures guns = nil and your drones should be able to handle his drones easily. Main things you need to avoid is Missile ships / drone ships, bigger then you / higher tech level., Caracals you can just out DPS and out EHP.
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.05.04 16:43:00 - [36] Originally by: Hiroshima Jita Given that everonye has already covered the armor tank. I'd like to point out that shield tanks are also viable. [Arbitrator, New Setup 1] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Warp Scrambler II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 'Malkuth' Standard Missile Launcher I, Sabretooth Light Missile Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hobgoblin II x2 Hammerhead II x3 Hammerhead II x2 Its cap stable once you turn off the mwd. I fit ac because I have skills there. Nanos can easily become a damage control and a damage mod. And you can lose the shield rigging and go to a t2 mwd to be nicely cheap. It makes nice bait. T2 frigs and dictors die. Obviously not going to beat a gank rupture with a good pilot in the seat. That same gank rupture will die a stupid death in places this setup will slip on through. Thats what nano does for you. Not a bad setup if you need the speed. The problem I see is that even with 2 nanos and a shield tank this is still one of the slower cruisers, (and you require rigs). Also, shield-tanking an ewar-based ship makes me cringe a bit. I prefer the 1600mm plate setup with scram/web/td. Sure, there are going to be people that can get away, but any turret-based ship is going to die horribly, and with slaves I'll be able to take down a cerb that messed up and got into scram range, or a drake if I fit it like a curse. Usually I fit a couple small neutron blasters a launcher, and a small neut in the highs to deal with ecm drones or ogres and kick down the cap on AFs.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.04 19:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Constantine Arcanum Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Constantine Arcanum worst troll i've ever seen. 0/10 Too obvious and relys upon the already discredited poasters opinions above for certification. -10/10 UNACCEPTABLE Vegeta! What is his troll level!?!?! Originally by: SuiJuris Ruptures should be right in line with what a arbitrator can kill. Fit Tracking disruptors, with 2 tracking disruptors the inc damage from a ruptures guns = nil and your drones should be able to handle his drones easily. One would think that but alas it is just not the case. A rupture is going to web you and just bore right in killing your trans and rendering even 2 bonused td worthless as his drones pop yours whilst the autocannons with their high tracking eat your buffer up like a fat kid eats cake. Avoid that ship in an arbi if you want to keep it as there is a reason its considered the top t1 pvp cruiser. Besides a td arbi especially a dual td arbi is a gang boat by nature so just handing down tried and tested knowledge that your new mates in the 24th will tell you anyways. Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.05.04 19:54:00 - [38] Zeba, how is his drones going to kill mine, I have access to more bandwidth and they're bonused... Ruptures are absolute beasts its true but a Arbi should do fine against them.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.04 20:03:00 - [39] Originally by: SuiJuris Zeba, how is his drones going to kill mine, I have access to more bandwidth and they're bonused... Ruptures are absolute beasts its true but a Arbi should do fine against them. No solo arbi is going to reliably kill a rupture as the arbi simply isn't a very good solo pvp boat. It can be stretched into one if you go niche with your targets and fits but thats about it. As far as his drones killing yours a flight a warrior or hobgoblin II will eat even bonused mediums up alarmingly fast and since you don't dare try to kill his drones as you will not by applying any dps to his ship its out of the question anyways. Tbh mate I think you should stick to the primarily ratting agenda you stated and just try for the opportunity kills. Now once you get into fw a bit and make some friends to gang up with your arbi will be a welcome and effective ship but for now just pop the rats and try to stay low. Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
MAHDABOIIIKA	Posted - 2009.05.04 20:07:00 - [40] http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=HEPEAJIbHOCTb&id=6490191&page=1&filter=losses#mail I fly this.
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.05.05 05:44:00 - [41] Edited by: SuiJuris on 05/05/2009 05:47:52 So, I got attacked by a frigate gang... I was too excited to pay much attention to pilot age and all that whatnot, but the explosions sure were pretty. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-SuiJuris-kills.html I was flying a arbi with the following fit. Highs, Arb Missile launcher, 2x Salvager, 1x Tractor beam (getting removed soon) Mids, small cap booster 1, 150 charges MDW best named 24km point TD best named (still training for a t2) Lows, 1600rt 2xeanm dcII
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.05 05:53:00 - [42] Very nice. Looks like the 24th got a good deal. Originally by: Achar Losa i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.05.05 15:05:00 - [43] Edited by: SuiJuris on 05/05/2009 15:13:13 Edited by: SuiJuris on 05/05/2009 15:12:34 So, im considering this probably near the final fit I've decided on. Im still debating using Small Ewar drones instead of Mediums, any thoughts on that? Highs, Arb Missile launcher, 2x Salvager, Arb Assault Launcher Small Neut II Mids, small cap booster 1, 150 charges MDW best named 24km point TD best named (still training for a t2) Lows, 1600rt 2xeanm dcII Drones 5x Med Ewar Drones 6x HammerHead IIs 8x Warrior II's
MalVortex Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.05.05 15:40:00 - [44] Originally by: SuiJuris Edited by: SuiJuris on 05/05/2009 15:13:13 Edited by: SuiJuris on 05/05/2009 15:12:34 So, im considering this probably near the final fit I've decided on. Im still debating using Small Ewar drones instead of Mediums, any thoughts on that? Highs, Arb Missile launcher, 2x Salvager, Arb Assault Launcher Small Neut II Mids, small cap booster 1, 150 charges MDW best named 24km point TD best named (still training for a t2) Lows, 1600rt 2xeanm dcII Drones 5x Med Ewar Drones 6x HammerHead IIs 8x Warrior II's I personally like 5x Hammerhead, 5x Valk, 5x Warrior, 5x EC-300. It would be very preferable to fit EC-600s, but having only one DPS drone set leaves you prone to getting screwed. Dropping the warriors is not an option. Switch out to the EC-300s early if its a fight that isn't going well and they will still do their magic. If its a "you vs. a gang" situation, welp, ECM drones won't help you anyways. I'm not much of a fan of cap-boosting Arbitrators. The ship really has no cap hungry modules to begin with, and she fights at relatively close range, so NOS are certainly an option. If you don't fit 2x TD, I'd fit a TD + web, but I would really look into fitting two TDs. 1x TD just isn't sufficient to shut down cruiser class guns. Yea, at range you can kite them with optimal range, but a 1600mm arbitrator isn't exactly the epitome of speed, so your range dictation is weak. No web or scramble means you completley lose range dictation to any ship with either, and any ship thats naturally faster (thats a lot of ships). Given the relatively low DPS output of an arbitrator vs. gank cruisers, I'd take that extra TD - it really, really helps.
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.05.05 16:00:00 - [45] If I switch the booster out for a TD, it can barely run the MWD for 1 minute. I might just be nub at piloting in PvP, but don't you generally need your MWD turned on to dictate range?
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.05.05 16:21:00 - [46] I guess I could try a Afterburner fit. If I swap out for a afterburner since im not really dictating range anyways would you recommend a warp scramble so if I do get something tackled its staying tackled then 2 TD's in the mids. I decided to drop 1 salvager for a small nos. ah hell here's a Afterburner fit I was thinking of using. High's 2x Small Nos II 1x Small Neut II 1x Salvager Mids ABII 2xTDII (once I can use them best named until then) Warp ScramII Lows 1600rt 2xeanmII DCII But I just don't see a MWD fit working without the cap booster
Valadeya uthanaras Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.05.05 18:20:00 - [47] Originally by: SuiJuris So.... I went out and killed a bunch of rats. Gneez is absolutely correct. Since there is only 1 bs spawn per belt they hardly scratch my shields before im too close to be hit. Was rolling with the following fit. 800 mm rolled tungsten DCII EANM II SAR II (Removed after the first 30 minutes and replaced with a second EANM II) Mids Med Cap Booster (200's) Tracking Disruptor II 24km Point MWDII Highs Don't remember Think I had 1 missile launcher then some salvagers. Bassicly the same fit I use,really good , soloed a bit of stuff with it and got a lot of fun High: 1 medium neutralizer 2 small neutralizer 1 improved cloaking device (Cloak/Mwd trick ^^)
MalVortex Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.05.05 19:40:00 - [48] Originally by: SuiJuris I guess I could try a Afterburner fit. If I swap out for a afterburner since im not really dictating range anyways would you recommend a warp scramble so if I do get something tackled its staying tackled then 2 TD's in the mids. I decided to drop 1 salvager for a small nos. ah hell here's a Afterburner fit I was thinking of using. High's 2x Small Nos II 1x Small Neut II 1x Salvager Mids ABII 2xTDII (once I can use them best named until then) Warp ScramII Lows 1600rt 2xeanmII DCII But I just don't see a MWD fit working without the cap booster There is little to no point in mixing neut and nos. Neut has greater than 1:1 efficiency, and nos only works when your cap % is larger than your targets. In other words, you will very quickly disable your own nos from operating. You don't need to run the MWD 24/7, its enough to burst it for a few cycles. The obvious solution, as you pointed out, is to go with an AB. This allows better range dictation inside 10km, and encourages the use of a scram, which the Arbitrator desperately needs to pin targets down. Its not as good at hit and run in such a configuration, but as I said earlier, a lot of stuff can catch you even with the MWD anyways. Anyways, I'll share my fit. Its not like I particularly care about T1 cruiser fitting secrets. 2x MPII 2x NosII AB Scram 2x TDII (for cheap compared to balmer) 1600 DCU EANM SAR (exceeds EANM effectiveness around 60 seconds in) No rigs (or TD strength rigs, ultra cheap) Idea is to get the scram on an opponent, orbit at close range. Everything permaruns at 33% with the nos, so you will be putting at least some cap pressure on the target. MPII don't do a whole lot of damage, but the fitting doesn't exist to upgrade to FMPII (can go 3x small nos, HAM if you have missile skills, but 2x MPII do more damage). Scorch gives the EM damage the ship desperately wants to kill shields quickly. Even if webbed, two TD w/ tracking disruption will own even cruiser guns ability to hit if your close enough. Plenty of fittings to upgrade something to medium, exchange for a MWD, etc. Its a well balanced fit. Shame I don't get to fly it much.
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.05.05 21:10:00 - [49] If you leave the SAR off, you can run that fit with 2MPII and a Ham, Its cap stable with 1 nos running and lasts 9 minutes without it....
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.05.11 08:39:00 - [50] http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=53050 Well, thought I would thank everyone who contributed fits. in the past week I've got in a few fights. I tried the nano fit someone posted but that was to thin for my tastes. 1600rt+2xEANMII+DCUII is my most succesful so far. Trying out a fit with a SARII on my last arb but I've yet to find action in it. Anyways thanx for everyone who helped me not generate lol kill mails my first couple of times out.
Forum Chav	Posted - 2009.05.26 10:31:00 - [51] funniest thing in here is someone trying to tell Gneez' about fitting an arby - irrespective of reason. zeba, seriously, do yourself a favour and don't bother tryin to upstage Gneez'. i'm no crawly bumlick, but Gneez has a lot of pvp experience and knows what he's on about. no i don't know him, fought him, or flown with/against him, but his vid's are the nuts and he's well respected in eve. i understand that you think you're addressing the op's request, but you're not. getting upset because you're being flamed for your fit is natural. no-one wants to look silly. but when you see the sides of the trench? ..........stop digging.

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