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Katsuoto
Gallente
The Centurions
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.30 20:54:00 -
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So this thread is just me pointing out some things I am seeing with the game. I have been playing on and off since 2004. I really feel like CCP and the player base is killing EVE. I really don't want to see that happen. Really... Why? Because I do not think their will ever be a game quiet like EVE Online again. If you only knew how much praise I give this game to my friends and people I know. (and I dont really even play that hardcore)
CCP is catering to whiny little b($#%s that don't like how the game is. The little whiny b#)*%s are making a mess of the games community by being dishonest *******s. The forums are flooded with "trolls" that can do nothing more then flame and degrade those that post. (I am sure the replies to this thread will call them out) Pirates flying around not honoring ransoms. Alliances sitting around in their boredom camping gates with warp disrupting fields killing even new players that are exploring without any warning. People constantly bad mouthing each other and causing drama within corps, local chat, and forums. Its like the game world is being taken over by "trolls". Ganking and griefing.
Now I know the game is made so you can do this but you would think that people would at least be honorable about it all. They used to be. Their is hardly any sort of ethics, morals and standards with people in my generation (20 years old atm). Their is very few of us that have any sense of integrity and the difference between being a **** in a game versus being helpful. Most of my generation would rather just kill the other pilot then take the money or trade goods that they offer in return for their ship/clone. This.... this makes me furious as a person and a true gamer. If people like this are to continue doing this **** than the MMO genre is plagued and will die. The worst part is, is CCP turns their eyes the other way about it all. They listen to what the masses of losers want... Just like every other MMO developer I have seen does. (Even the famous Blizzard) Its sad. I have seen far to many MMO's die because of this. I don't want EVE to end up like that. Sadly though, all I can do is voice my opinion as I continue to see it happen before my eyes.
I really wished we could go back to the days where players where not filled with so much hate and enjoyment in watching others get upset.
Then lies my next vent. The game its self. I see so many things in the game that are helping these players get away with what they do and how they act. The ability to camp a gate with a warp disrupting field... The ability to flip cans... The ability to form a blob that me and a buddy cant even compete against... That hunts us down everywhere we go when we are just trying to run missions or do some mining? Station camping (which is TOTAL BS) I realise high sec is for the players that don't want to get involved. But what about those that do, but cant because the seasoned players will just steam roll them or force them to stay docked. Is there not a way for a new player to go up against new player of equal skill/sp? Some sort of rank matching system that can be developed to make it a bit more balanced? I am sure this is going to get me flamed but who cares. Their HAS to be a way...
The little things that eat at me....
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Katsuoto
Gallente
The Centurions
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.30 20:56:00 -
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CCP, thank you for everything you have put into the game. Especially to help the players. Really. This game has come so so so far since 2004 when I started. I think its awesome that you are developing WiS and flying within the atmosphere of planets. The game is top of the charts worldwide. Even the upgrade to the graphics, AMAZING... But is it so much to ask for some personalization to our ships/avatars? The ability to customize our ships with our colors/mesh's of choice? The ability to actually see our weapon turrets as more then little lame looking stubs that don't even turn or track your target when they fire? (That one is the biggest one I want to see changed) The impact of munitions against shields/armor/hull? I know some of that has been improved a bit but, not to the extent I am mentioning. This game would be on the top of my list if I as a player could be an individual. I think it would be GREAT to see even more ships within the current ship classes... I feel there is not enough of them. More frigates T1 and T2.. same with all the other classes. Also a change of the model of T2 versions compared to their T1 versions... Kinda lame to see an Enyo that is a red painted Incursus with no changes. Adding a couple cool little features to the model would make it so much more fun to play and look forward to.
I know there is thousands of modules and ways to fit your ship, but lets be honest... Only so many are used because the others wont do anything for you or wont be effective in PvE/PvP. You also cant always play the way YOU want to play if you plan to be effective against other players. Also, you can't SEE the modules change graphically on your ship. IE weapons turrets, boosters, sensors, scanners, weapon upgrades, and probes/drones attached on the outside. Hell even the ability to place some sort of war trophies on the outside of my ship. Kill counts even? Keep in mind these are my personal little things I WANT to see. Most of this wont even affect what other players see but it adds to the fun for the player that is looking at their ship.
As for WiS, I don't know what all is planned with it but... the things I want to see include the ability to walk up, look at my ship, get in it, and see the ****pit, cargo bay, and other areas. Being able to change the look of my avatar IE tattoos, clothes, ext. Mini-games that are actually... fun? As for flying in the atmosphere of planets? Hell I don't even know where to begin there. The days of Earth and Beyond come to mind when I think of it. (Oh how I miss it) My last thing I wish to see is a flawless network system... One where their is no such thing as losing my ship in a HUGE fleet battle becuase of server lag... Probably a false wish but... *shrug*
All in all, I just get this creepy feeling that EVE is dying and I am just going to end up having enough of the hatred... Resulting in both my accounts being canceled as I look onward to a new game... I would love to find a great corp that has an active player base that really enjoys the game for what it is... and not the hatred that consumes the populace. I need something to keep me playing until **** gets ironed out... Either the community will shape up or EVE will become consumed by its player base forcing all the seasoned vets to quit with the majority of the player base following behind. (Planetside?) CCP needs to LISTEN to the players.. Not just the ones *****ing about how they want things easier. At the same time the game was fun when it was a challenge to live, not warp in and insta-die. Find a happy medium that the majority of the players agree on?
I have great hopes for EVE if CCP can fix the community/player base problems... I know I would for sure stick around if I could see the little things I am asking for implemented. Or even word that its being looked at...
Thanks for your time all...
All the way from Baghdad, Iraq....
Flame suit on. Opinions please?
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Rakrist
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Posted - 2009.04.30 20:57:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: Katsuoto
So this thread is just me pointing out some things I am seeing with the game. I have been playing on and off since 2004. I really feel like CCP and the player base is killing EVE. I really don't want to see that happen. Really... Why? Because I do not think their will ever be a game quiet like EVE Online again. If you only knew how much praise I give this game to my friends and people I know. (and I dont really even play that hardcore)
CCP is catering to whiny little b($#%s that don't like how the game is. The little whiny b#)*%s are making a mess of the games community by being dishonest *******s. The forums are flooded with "trolls" that can do nothing more then flame and degrade those that post. (I am sure the replies to this thread will call them out) Pirates flying around not honoring ransoms. Alliances sitting around in their boredom camping gates with warp disrupting fields killing even new players that are exploring without any warning. People constantly bad mouthing each other and causing drama within corps, local chat, and forums. Its like the game world is being taken over by "trolls". Ganking and griefing.
Now I know the game is made so you can do this but you would think that people would at least be honorable about it all. They used to be. Their is hardly any sort of ethics, morals and standards with people in my generation (20 years old atm). Their is very few of us that have any sense of integrity and the difference between being a **** in a game versus being helpful. Most of my generation would rather just kill the other pilot then take the money or trade goods that they offer in return for their ship/clone. This.... this makes me furious as a person and a true gamer. If people like this are to continue doing this **** than the MMO genre is plagued and will die. The worst part is, is CCP turns their eyes the other way about it all. They listen to what the masses of losers want... Just like every other MMO developer I have seen does. (Even the famous Blizzard) Its sad. I have seen far to many MMO's die because of this. I don't want EVE to end up like that. Sadly though, all I can do is voice my opinion as I continue to see it happen before my eyes.
I really wished we could go back to the days where players where not filled with so much hate and enjoyment in watching others get upset.
Then lies my next vent. The game its self. I see so many things in the game that are helping these players get away with what they do and how they act. The ability to camp a gate with a warp disrupting field... The ability to flip cans... The ability to form a blob that me and a buddy cant even compete against... That hunts us down everywhere we go when we are just trying to run missions or do some mining? Station camping (which is TOTAL BS) I realise high sec is for the players that don't want to get involved. But what about those that do, but cant because the seasoned players will just steam roll them or force them to stay docked. Is there not a way for a new player to go up against new player of equal skill/sp? Some sort of rank matching system that can be developed to make it a bit more balanced? I am sure this is going to get me flamed but who cares. Their HAS to be a way...
The little things that eat at me....
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Rakrist
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Posted - 2009.04.30 20:57:00 -
[4]
Originally by: Katsuoto
CCP, thank you for everything you have put into the game. Especially to help the players. Really. This game has come so so so far since 2004 when I started. I think its awesome that you are developing WiS and flying within the atmosphere of planets. The game is top of the charts worldwide. Even the upgrade to the graphics, AMAZING... But is it so much to ask for some personalization to our ships/avatars? The ability to customize our ships with our colors/mesh's of choice? The ability to actually see our weapon turrets as more then little lame looking stubs that don't even turn or track your target when they fire? (That one is the biggest one I want to see changed) The impact of munitions against shields/armor/hull? I know some of that has been improved a bit but, not to the extent I am mentioning. This game would be on the top of my list if I as a player could be an individual. I think it would be GREAT to see even more ships within the current ship classes... I feel there is not enough of them. More frigates T1 and T2.. same with all the other classes. Also a change of the model of T2 versions compared to their T1 versions... Kinda lame to see an Enyo that is a red painted Incursus with no changes. Adding a couple cool little features to the model would make it so much more fun to play and look forward to.
I know there is thousands of modules and ways to fit your ship, but lets be honest... Only so many are used because the others wont do anything for you or wont be effective in PvE/PvP. You also cant always play the way YOU want to play if you plan to be effective against other players. Also, you can't SEE the modules change graphically on your ship. IE weapons turrets, boosters, sensors, scanners, weapon upgrades, and probes/drones attached on the outside. Hell even the ability to place some sort of war trophies on the outside of my ship. Kill counts even? Keep in mind these are my personal little things I WANT to see. Most of this wont even affect what other players see but it adds to the fun for the player that is looking at their ship.
As for WiS, I don't know what all is planned with it but... the things I want to see include the ability to walk up, look at my ship, get in it, and see the ****pit, cargo bay, and other areas. Being able to change the look of my avatar IE tattoos, clothes, ext. Mini-games that are actually... fun? As for flying in the atmosphere of planets? Hell I don't even know where to begin there. The days of Earth and Beyond come to mind when I think of it. (Oh how I miss it) My last thing I wish to see is a flawless network system... One where their is no such thing as losing my ship in a HUGE fleet battle becuase of server lag... Probably a false wish but... *shrug*
All in all, I just get this creepy feeling that EVE is dying and I am just going to end up having enough of the hatred... Resulting in both my accounts being canceled as I look onward to a new game... I would love to find a great corp that has an active player base that really enjoys the game for what it is... and not the hatred that consumes the populace. I need something to keep me playing until **** gets ironed out... Either the community will shape up or EVE will become consumed by its player base forcing all the seasoned vets to quit with the majority of the player base following behind. (Planetside?) CCP needs to LISTEN to the players.. Not just the ones *****ing about how they want things easier. At the same time the game was fun when it was a challenge to live, not warp in and insta-die. Find a happy medium that the majority of the players agree on?
I have great hopes for EVE if CCP can fix the community/player base problems... I know I would for sure stick around if I could see the little things I am asking for implemented. Or even word that its being looked at...
Thanks for your time all...
All the way from Baghdad, Iraq....
Flame suit on. Opinions please?
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Rakrist
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Posted - 2009.04.30 20:57:00 -
[5]
Originally by: Katsuoto
So this thread is just me pointing out some things I am seeing with the game. I have been playing on and off since 2004. I really feel like CCP and the player base is killing EVE. I really don't want to see that happen. Really... Why? Because I do not think their will ever be a game quiet like EVE Online again. If you only knew how much praise I give this game to my friends and people I know. (and I dont really even play that hardcore)
CCP is catering to whiny little b($#%s that don't like how the game is. The little whiny b#)*%s are making a mess of the games community by being dishonest *******s. The forums are flooded with "trolls" that can do nothing more then flame and degrade those that post. (I am sure the replies to this thread will call them out) Pirates flying around not honoring ransoms. Alliances sitting around in their boredom camping gates with warp disrupting fields killing even new players that are exploring without any warning. People constantly bad mouthing each other and causing drama within corps, local chat, and forums. Its like the game world is being taken over by "trolls". Ganking and griefing.
Now I know the game is made so you can do this but you would think that people would at least be honorable about it all. They used to be. Their is hardly any sort of ethics, morals and standards with people in my generation (20 years old atm). Their is very few of us that have any sense of integrity and the difference between being a **** in a game versus being helpful. Most of my generation would rather just kill the other pilot then take the money or trade goods that they offer in return for their ship/clone. This.... this makes me furious as a person and a true gamer. If people like this are to continue doing this **** than the MMO genre is plagued and will die. The worst part is, is CCP turns their eyes the other way about it all. They listen to what the masses of losers want... Just like every other MMO developer I have seen does. (Even the famous Blizzard) Its sad. I have seen far to many MMO's die because of this. I don't want EVE to end up like that. Sadly though, all I can do is voice my opinion as I continue to see it happen before my eyes.
I really wished we could go back to the days where players where not filled with so much hate and enjoyment in watching others get upset.
Then lies my next vent. The game its self. I see so many things in the game that are helping these players get away with what they do and how they act. The ability to camp a gate with a warp disrupting field... The ability to flip cans... The ability to form a blob that me and a buddy cant even compete against... That hunts us down everywhere we go when we are just trying to run missions or do some mining? Station camping (which is TOTAL BS) I realise high sec is for the players that don't want to get involved. But what about those that do, but cant because the seasoned players will just steam roll them or force them to stay docked. Is there not a way for a new player to go up against new player of equal skill/sp? Some sort of rank matching system that can be developed to make it a bit more balanced? I am sure this is going to get me flamed but who cares. Their HAS to be a way...
The little things that eat at me....
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Rakrist
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Posted - 2009.04.30 20:58:00 -
[6]
Edited by: Rakrist on 30/04/2009 20:58:56
Originally by: Katsuoto
CCP, thank you for everything you have put into the game. Especially to help the players. Really. This game has come so so so far since 2004 when I started. I think its awesome that you are developing WiS and flying within the atmosphere of planets. The game is top of the charts worldwide. Even the upgrade to the graphics, AMAZING... But is it so much to ask for some personalization to our ships/avatars? The ability to customize our ships with our colors/mesh's of choice? The ability to actually see our weapon turrets as more then little lame looking stubs that don't even turn or track your target when they fire? (That one is the biggest one I want to see changed) The impact of munitions against shields/armor/hull? I know some of that has been improved a bit but, not to the extent I am mentioning. This game would be on the top of my list if I as a player could be an individual. Also a change of the model of T2 versions compared to their T1 versions... Kinda lame to see an Enyo that is a red painted Incursus with no changes. Adding a couple cool little features to the model would make it so much more fun to play and look forward to.
I know there is thousands of modules and ways to fit your ship, but lets be honest... Only so many are used because the others wont do anything for you or wont be effective in PvE/PvP. You also cant always play the way YOU want to play if you plan to be effective against other players. Also, you can't SEE the modules change graphically on your ship. IE weapons turrets, boosters, sensors, scanners, weapon upgrades, and probes/drones attached on the outside. Hell even the ability to place some sort of war trophies on the outside of my ship. Kill counts even? Keep in mind these are my personal little things I WANT to see. Most of this wont even affect what other players see but it adds to the fun for the player that is looking at their ship.
As for WiS, I don't know what all is planned with it but... the things I want to see include the ability to walk up, look at my ship, get in it, and see the ****pit, cargo bay, and other areas. Being able to change the look of my avatar IE tattoos, clothes, ext. Mini-games that are actually... fun? As for flying in the atmosphere of planets? Hell I don't even know where to begin there. The days of Earth and Beyond come to mind when I think of it. (Oh how I miss it) My last thing I wish to see is a flawless network system... One where their is no such thing as losing my ship in a HUGE fleet battle becuase of server lag... Probably a false wish but... *shrug*
All in all, I just get this creepy feeling that EVE is dying and I am just going to end up having enough of the hatred... Resulting in both my accounts being canceled as I look onward to a new game... I would love to find a great corp that has an active player base that really enjoys the game for what it is... and not the hatred that consumes the populace. I need something to keep me playing until **** gets ironed out... Either the community will shape up or EVE will become consumed by its player base forcing all the seasoned vets to quit with the majority of the player base following behind. (Planetside?) CCP needs to LISTEN to the players.. Not just the ones *****ing about how they want things easier. At the same time the game was fun when it was a challenge to live, not warp in and insta-die. Find a happy medium that the majority of the players agree on?
I have great hopes for EVE if CCP can fix the community/player base problems... I know I would for sure stick around if I could see the little things I am asking for implemented. Or even word that its being looked at...
Thanks for your time all...
All the way from Baghdad, Iraq....
AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THIS MATTER.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.30 20:59:00 -
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1. You will get flamed
2. See point 1
3. I could pretty much agree with you, untill:
Quote:
All in all, I just get this creepy feeling that EVE is dying and I am just going to end up having enough of the hatred... Resulting in both my accounts being canceled as I look onward to a new game...
Which is where you lost all your credibility (sure you might be cancelling them, but we dont care and eve isn't dying).
Btw why not join a providence holder alliance? Looks to me like it is something for you.
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Originally by: Neth'Rae
Military experts are calling this a troll.
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FlyinS
Caldari
Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.04.30 21:03:00 -
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3 points
1) Unfortunately this is where a lot of the internet has gone, in any and every MMO. I disagree that it will ruin Eve or any other MMO though as there's enough people that will play just so they can gloat over other players.
2) About can flipping, killing mission runners/miners, warp disruption bubbles, hunting packs, etc. That's Eve in all it's glory man. I disagree with you on this point. That's what makes Eve...well...Eve.
3) A matching setup could be a neat idea, would take a lot of thought and development. Have you tried FW?
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Nyx Cyth
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Posted - 2009.04.30 21:05:00 -
[9]
Defo Agree that the player base has gone to pot, I was looking at Contracts and its actually hard to find one that isn't a scam
People act like complete prats because they think its ok to because "eve should be a hard game" the funny thing is that a lot of the ones that do have only a rough idea of the game mechanics but will whine and moan to no end if they don't win
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.04.30 21:19:00 -
[10]
haha I love the ******* community. I expect many responses like "TLDR" and "Awww did someone get scammed?".
I joined eve after reading about huge scams and the dev's doing nothing. Its awesome.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.04.30 21:32:00 -
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If you've decided you don't like the game anymore that's fair enough, a lot has changed, a few people who stayed around are unhappy.
Personally I think things are moving forward, all I don't like is;
1. They change graphics and instead of making them look like the same thing but better they make them look completely different for the sake of it and usually crappier looking where after years of learning the effects I now sometimes sit wondering what the hell those people are firing at each other.
2. Space feels too crowded, even though we have w-space it's not somewhere the vast majority of people would go to live so they're still under me feet most of the time, also the way sovereignty and nullsec alliances work everything is just stupid to the point I have nothing to do with it.
But I'm gonna hang around, can I put my name down for your stuff perchance?
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Katsuoto
Gallente
The Centurions
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.30 21:34:00 -
[12]
Originally by: TimMc
haha I love the ******* community. I expect many responses like "TLDR" and "Awww did someone get scammed?".
I joined eve after reading about huge scams and the dev's doing nothing. Its awesome.
Ladies and Gentlemen, here is my prime example. You sir, are a disgrace to the gaming community. <3 Though there are far worse out there.
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Cipi
Caldari
Immortalis Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.30 21:41:00 -
[13]
Nope
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.04.30 21:44:00 -
[14]
i think that honor and good manners have been on the way out in society as a whole for a long long time. the internet just accelerates it because there is generally no real recourse i.e. getting your teeth knocked down your throat for being an arse.
this generation has been raised on the dr spock/dr phil you are special and unique and everything you do is wonderful, over coddle kids dumb down standards, you have to try really hard to fail in most schools anymore because political correctness has told us that failing is bad for self esteem.
we have the high speed internet, pay per view movies on demand, fast food mindset, and so many games that embrace that by leading you around by the nose and holding your hand and making games so easy and dumbed down. thankfully eve does not do those things, but people still embrace their inner yarrr and eve amps it because there is few real consequences for your overall behavior. lie cheat steal all ok in eve, but you do not die, you wont get sent to jail or arrested, you can make disposable alts to do most of your dirty work then fade into another character.
eve continues to grow after so many years, and ccp caters to a wide range of interest. tho you certainly get alot of the what i like to call the EQ1 mindset, the people that want the hardest of the hardcore, to make a game so harsh only a few niche hardcore players would ever be bothered to play long enough to not be a noob or get anywhere period.
but eve has been proclaimed dead dying and gone so many times over the years, if you really are as old as you say and read the forums over the years the sky is always falling if it is in reguard to t2 stuff, new ships, ambulation, nerfs, buffs, missions. low sec, hi sec, mass stupidity something is always leading to the death of eve.
yet eve continues to grow, continues to improve more than it fails. sets new online records. has thriving market and allows hardcore and softcore players to play the way they want as long as they use their brains.
there are not too many mmos out there that do not lead you down a path or one or two paths, eve allows you to do whatever you want, be it trade, industry, pirating, mining, scamming, missioning. that is part of the strength of eve and maybe part of its weakness. some people just arent used to using their minds to figure out what they want to do in a game they just want to be lead down a path.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.30 22:30:00 -
[15]
Personally, I blame it on EvE's success.
When EvE was just a few euro players with the odd american thrown in (me being one of them), it had more of a community feel to it. There wasn't as much hate, as much division. Wasn't nearly so much anti-pirate or anti-carebear nonsense. But then again, it WAS still there. It always has been. There just wasn't as much of it.
I wouldn't even surprise if it's proportionally the same as it was. But it's the psychological impact. You've just got better chances now of running into an ass, or finding a crooked pirate. Because even with w-space, EvE really hasn't gotten much bigger.
The one thing I do disagree on, is the forums. The EvE forums have always been rough and ready to call you an idiot if you post something stupid. The only difference is nostalgia.
"Things were so much better when they were worse."
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Isakova
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Posted - 2009.04.30 22:34:00 -
[16]
Whiney little thread about whiney little threads, repeat ad naseum. |
Katsuoto
Gallente
The Centurions
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.30 22:36:00 -
[17]
I would just love to find a corp that I can trust... One that is not about being ass's to people... That want to have fun, teach players, and enjoy the game the way its meant to be enjoyed... Fleet battles, PvP, mission and complex runs... you know what I mean. It seems so damn impossible to find a corp like I want... I cant find any honorable players... seems like the majority of the player base is all haters "stfu n00b"...
So if anyone knows of any corps out there that are... human... let me know.
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Isakova
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Posted - 2009.04.30 22:40:00 -
[18]
It's a lot easier to whine on the EVEO forums that to actively look for solutions I find.
Just to clear things up, you want the cut throat EVE popular, who aren't hardcore and elitist, you want PVP but consensual only, you want vast swathes of alliance space, so long as you can only log in occasionally and everyone is a casual player?
How about fleet battles being instanced and consensual? Wait a sec, I think the solution you're looking for is ------> way.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.30 22:41:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Katsuoto
I would just love to find a corp that I can trust... One that is not about being ass's to people... That want to have fun, teach players, and enjoy the game the way its meant to be enjoyed... Fleet battles, PvP, mission and complex runs... you know what I mean. It seems so damn impossible to find a corp like I want... I cant find any honorable players... seems like the majority of the player base is all haters "stfu n00b"...
So if anyone knows of any corps out there that are... human... let me know.
Join 'Quaesitor' or 'CJEVEPublic' channels. Both kinda roleplay oriented, both very freindly to new players, and the latter may get you involved in fleet battles (CJ is a member of CVA, so if they can't recruit you, they can probably direct you to a solid corp that can).
And as always, there's EvE University.
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Grez
Minmatar
Core Contingency
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Posted - 2009.04.30 22:48:00 -
[20]
Didn't you get the memo?
EVE is dying.
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Grez: I shot the sheriff
Kalazar: But I could not lock the Deputy BECAUSE OF FALCON |
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VanNostrum
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.04.30 22:49:00 -
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All OP's concerns on the game aside, i also noticed the increasing insanity in multiplayer games. I guess it's just human nature surfacing easily with the anonimity the internet provides. There are no consequences to anyone's actions in any game. No ethics, no social rules, no maturity, no civilizaion. Almost feels like mass schizofrenia in MMOs now. You can even hear on vent channels when people burp into mics, play loud noisy music and not talk, or talk but not about the game at all. I sometimes wonder what's happening to all the people acting up like they're playing from a mental hospital.
No excitement left other than self-induced adrenalin from doing something nasty to other players. And not things that the games allow you to, no that wouldn't be fun. People always look for extraordinary ways to scam/kill/rob others in every game, outside the rules of conduct. In today's world honor is a fairy tale, so is skill.
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VanNostrum
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.04.30 22:51:00 -
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Exhibit A
Originally by: Isakova
Whiney little thread about whiney little threads, repeat ad naseum.
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Isakova
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Posted - 2009.04.30 22:55:00 -
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How cutting.
Seriously, it's a game. If you don't like the direction it's heading, walk away. It's not going to kill you.
CCP make the rules, and I have as much fun as I can within them. This sort of forum warrioring is moronic, I might as well hop onto a WOW forum and proceed to tell them I don't like their game, and why they should make it more like I want.
I am enjoying EVE, and everything that changes both in game mechanics and player base is just another thing to adapt to/with and use to have fun. The second I stop having fun and find myself writing essays on why I think other people are ruining my e-fun, I am going to fill my pockets with stones and jump off a pier.
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VanNostrum
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Isakova
The second I stop having fun and find myself writing essays on why I think other people are ruining my e-fun, I am going to fill my pockets with stones and jump off a pier.
if only people would do that
alas, the mass schizofrenia just moves on to the next game
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:05:00 -
[25]
But I LIKE writing essays!
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Isakova
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:06:00 -
[26]
Of course not, as I mentioned, it's far easier to just type out a few paragraphs than walk away from the computer, which I really should be doing instead of replying in this thread. But am proving my own point I guess.
Didn't EVE hit a server record recently? Just because you're losing interest in the game because it's not all falling into your lap doesn't mean anything. If you're too bone idle to step up and make things work for you, just admit it. If you're genuinely not enjoying EVE anymore, bye. I hope you had fun while it lasted, remember it was just a game. |
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:08:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Isakova
Of course not, as I mentioned, it's far easier to just type out a few paragraphs than walk away from the computer, which I really should be doing instead of replying in this thread. But am proving my own point I guess.
Didn't EVE hit a server record recently? Just because you're losing interest in the game because it's not all falling into your lap doesn't mean anything. If you're too bone idle to step up and make things work for you, just admit it. If you're genuinely not enjoying EVE anymore, bye. I hope you had fun while it lasted, remember it was just a game.
Wait, now. You have GOT to explain to me what's wrong with writing essays!
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Ammut
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:12:00 -
[28]
-Eve isn't dying
-Eve hasn't changed
-CCP doesn't cater to anyone
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Plutonian
Intransigent
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:44:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Nito Musashi
i think that honor and good manners have been on the way out in society as a whole for a long long time. the internet just accelerates it because there is generally no real recourse i.e. getting your teeth knocked down your throat for being an arse.
this generation has been raised on the dr spock/dr phil you are special and unique and everything you do is wonderful, over coddle kids dumb down standards, you have to try really hard to fail in most schools anymore because political correctness has told us that failing is bad for self esteem.
Quoted for truth and because I'm a grumpy old man who has lost faith in the younger generations. 
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Derus Grobb
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:51:00 -
[30]
Is this available in hardback?
Oh, and Eve isn't dying.
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Derus Grobb
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.05.01 00:05:00 -
[31]
Ugh, I decided to read it :( This is what you seem to be saying
1) CCP listens too much to whiners
2) CCP should impose some sort of morality to the game to stop all the bad guys
3) CCP should stop listening to carebears
I don't get how 1, 2 and 3 go together?
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annoing
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.05.01 00:12:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Katsuoto
where players where not filled with so much hate and enjoyment in watching others get upset.
Once, the average age of Eve players was late 20's ... now its full of pre-pubescent teens and goons. And there lies your problem - kids and goons (in many cases they're both the same people).
Mature corps with mature players tend to have a 'no smack in local' policy. Corps created by the kids and stocked with kids tend to be the ones full of smack and 'carebear tears' comments etc.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.05.01 00:30:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Derus Grobb
Ugh, I decided to read it :( This is what you seem to be saying
1) CCP listens too much to whiners
2) CCP should impose some sort of morality to the game to stop all the bad guys
3) CCP should stop listening to carebears
I don't get how 1, 2 and 3 go together?
Yeah, I was just going to comment on the fact that the OP is one confused 20-year old.
Another good one in the OP's tirade is lamenting the lack of 'player level matching' for combat encounters. He just doesn't understand the game he's trying to 'save'.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
EXTERMINATUS.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.05.01 01:10:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Derus Grobb
Ugh, I decided to read it :( This is what you seem to be saying
1) CCP listens too much to whiners
2) CCP should impose some sort of morality to the game to stop all the bad guys
3) CCP should stop listening to carebears
I don't get how 1, 2 and 3 go together?
Yeah, I was just going to comment on the fact that the OP is one confused 20-year old.
Another good one in the OP's tirade is lamenting the lack of 'player level matching' for combat encounters. He just doesn't understand the game he's trying to 'save'.
Actually, A way to find roughly equaled skilled players (in game skills, that is) might be a nice feature for newer players looking to cut their teeth. I've taken numerous younger players under my wing over my 4+ years in EVE....and the hardest hurdle for them to overcome in learning to pvp is the feeling, however accurate or relevant, that they are at a general disadvantage.....a disadvantage they can see by checking employment histories on characters they fight and see that everyone they come across has been in game longer.
Of course, such a system would have to be voluntary, un-intrusive...non lvl based (no lvl 60 mages please) thing you join...something like FW only call it player tournie or something, with different weight classes based on ship types as well as skill point amounts.
Then you enable other player to bet on the outcome.....and all SORTS of fun crops up.
Originally by: CCP Whisper
No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.01 01:17:00 -
[35]
Blah Blah Blah, I'm old. I'm turning on my old-tank of telling you whippersnappers that you're not honorable. YOU. HAVE. NO. E-HONOR.
Eve is a place where you can do whatever you want. It's always been that way, you're the one who's changed.
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Bo'Tox
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.01 02:13:00 -
[36]
replying in Yet Another Post that flames them flamers and flames CCP.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 05:52:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Katsuoto
Originally by: TimMc
haha I love the ******* community. I expect many responses like "TLDR" and "Awww did someone get scammed?".
I joined eve after reading about huge scams and the dev's doing nothing. Its awesome.
Ladies and Gentlemen, here is my prime example. You sir, are a disgrace to the gaming community. <3 Though there are far worse out there.
Oh my.
Well here's a thing. I also joined EvE after I heard about the huge eve bank scam in 06. Now funnily enough, in game I dont lie, cheat, spy, scam, "grief" noobs, or (beyond the occasional scout-alt, and even that not so much any more) metagame. Now and then I will pirate a little.
But.
The reason I play EvE is that I have the freedom to do these things. I am furiously opposed to the whinebears who constantly try to "reform" (ie: ban) the possibility of these actions, because they want to make my choice irrelevant. With no talk of compensating me for the opportunities lost, I might add.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 07:42:00 -
[38]
Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
Eve is a place where you can do whatever you want.
That's kind of the point he's making.
Give people freedom and anonymity and look how they behave.
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Crimzin
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.01 08:01:00 -
[39]
Eve is no different from my neighborhood tbh.
But it really does surprise me how gullible the capitalist world is turning people.
In Other Words... This is how it is people, eve is just people being people and anyone that thinks the world is just awesome and no one would do anything like that to you... god help you son.
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Teilchen
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Posted - 2009.05.01 08:07:00 -
[40]
He only looks at the bad examples though. In my Newbiecorp (Caldary SWAarta) there were Alts just created to help around noobs. While it was a little bit frustrating to hear them talk about their stuff on the mains it wsa really helpfull to get alot of questions answered. And they justed sit there and helped, and all they got ist a good feel. I would like to say thank you.
I helped around another noob with dagan, I was barely able to solo him with my cruiser and he came there with a frig... Yeah, usual evesenses tell: Your in a gang, 1000 bad things could happen. But they didnt ;) And we BOTH will remember.
I found a good Corp, and I didnt join just the first corp that asked me. My corp has a Trialtime to protect against spys and thiefs, but overall there is always someone that helps you out. And we have a good time on TS ;)
So yeah, im new, I think eve is fun, it has some issues, but I dont think the OP raised any of them. He just wants to take the evenes out of eve. Leave eve the cold harsh world that it is, makes finding nice people so much more delightfull. And there are people that dont play eve fascinated by stories of the BOB incident or the Bankscam. in short: eve is not dying, its fine and new people have fun joining the game.^^
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Panzram
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.01 08:25:00 -
[41]
I too am very disturbed by the lack of honour and sense of fairness in this new generation of pod pilots. The blobing, piracy, scamming and local spam really are confounding. Perhaps we can develop a system where the players can only fight each other under limited circumstances and the majority of the game is spent in group PvE for high end modules. I'd call these "raids", and we'd need some sort of point system based on attendance to assign who got these items. We would also need some sort of way for the stuff to be visible on your ship so others would know how "uber" you are at a glance. Oh and levels, this game is sorely lacking in levels. And dragons.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.05.01 08:28:00 -
[42]
OP: You start out by saying that CCP is ruining their own game, then you talk about bad moral and ethics among the player base as being the cause. That people behave like dorks on the Internet is certainly not CCPs fault. And personally I do not see that much "bad mouthing" and harassment, but I have perhaps grown immune to it.
I do not share your desires for customizable graphical options to decorate your ship. I am quite aware that those kind of things would increase the load on the servers dramatically, and that is highly undesirable for all. In basic, are graphics fluff which adds nothing to actual gameplay. Good graphics are only needed to create immersion, but should never get higher priority than game performance.
In short, EVE is not dying and CCP has a much broader perspectives than most people who posts on these forums.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 09:18:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Tyslas
Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
Eve is a place where you can do whatever you want.
That's kind of the point he's making.
Give people freedom and anonymity and look how they behave.
Too bad, that's the price of freedom: when you let people say or do whatever they want, some of them will choose to say or do things you don't like. In return, you get to say or do things they don't like.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.01 09:47:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Tyslas
Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
Eve is a place where you can do whatever you want.
That's kind of the point he's making.
Give people freedom and anonymity and look how they behave.
Too bad, that's the price of freedom: when you let people say or do whatever they want, some of them will choose to say or do things you don't like. In return, you get to say or do things they don't like.
Most people, I've found, only like the idea of 'freedom' when it equates to them being able to decide what everyone else can and cannot do.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 09:57:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Most people, I've found, only like the idea of 'freedom' when it equates to them being able to decide what everyone else can and cannot do.
Most people don't like freedom nearly as much as they think (or say) they do. What they actually like is irresponsibility, which seems a bit like freedom at first but is actually almost the complete opposite. In a dictatorship, only 1 man can be "free", because there is no-one to hold him accountable for his actions. What most people want when they talk about freedom is for everyone (or at least everyone they like) to get to be a dictator, which is of course oxymoronic.
Real freedom is scary and difficult and hard work and you don't get to blame anyone else but yourself when things go bad. That's why most people react in a very negative way when confronted with the prospect of it.
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.05.01 10:10:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Katsuoto
Originally by: TimMc
haha I love the ******* community. I expect many responses like "TLDR" and "Awww did someone get scammed?".
I joined eve after reading about huge scams and the dev's doing nothing. Its awesome.
Ladies and Gentlemen, here is my prime example. You sir, are a disgrace to the gaming community. <3 Though there are far worse out there.
A disgrace? haha you don't know me. I may enjoy being in a game where everyone is at eachothers throat, but I have never scammed anyone or stolen from my corp. Having a place where anything goes lets the honourable people stand out and above; and while I do attempt to have e-honour, I do love reading about the horrible things people do to eachother.
Eve is a place where there are constant car crashes to watch.
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Schenke Arcaid
Caldari
Dreams of Desolation
Magnum Opus.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 10:16:00 -
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I am a returning player to Eve.
Used to play between 2004 -2005 so have had a resonably longish break.
I admit that upon my return there has been a lot of changes, some for the good and some for the worse BUT it is still Eve. Yes there are always going to be scammers (or prats as they're better known to me) but that is their choice. If i'm honest these scammers a playing Eve their way and enjoying it. Yes the majority may not agree with it, but who are we to dictate?
That is the overall point as well Eve is not governed by a dictatorship it is completely anarchic and that is the beauty of it. You make your own rules, you do your own thing and you experience it your way. How many other games give you this sort of experience.
Im not slating the OP as he does have some valid points but again they are his opinions and with an MMO that caters for tens of thousands of players it will be impossible for everyone to agree with everyone.
Just my 2p.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.01 10:55:00 -
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there are 2 types of people on the internet. normal people and e-fa***ts.
sometimes these people are one in the same.
when the game got more popular, we got more fa***ts.
-the game stopped being so community and RP centric (people were more respectful of RP back in the day, though i dont care for it).
-the game started being about the endless possibilities, the unexplored and defined exploitations (of mechanics and players).
I hate to say it in these words (because it isn't because of them) but GoonSwarm really exemplifies when this community went down hill. Sure, bob flamed ascn but comparing that to what the goons introduced is like comparing a firecracker to a stick of dynamite. Sure, at their most basic level they are the same, but any idiot with common sense can see the difference. Is this for the better or the worse? Well, frankly that is a matter of personal opinion, you will find people to argue both sides.
This games allure used to be the community. That is what many players of 4+years remember and were drawn to. Well, in life the only thing that is constant is constant change. The game has evolved and so must we. People started to come to the game not so much because of the nice people (though many still did) but many many more came because they heard of these awesome possibilities this game had vs the others (the ability to scam, cheat, ANYTHING was possible).
You state "I really feel like CCP and the player base is killing EVE."
While i understand what you are driving at, listen to your words. The player base and CCP ARE Eve.
What you want to say is "I really feel like CCP and the player base is killing EVE FOR ME"
If you cannot find any way to reconcile the game of yesteryear with what it is today then don't let it bother you, find a new game. But everything changes with time and realize while you and others feel the way you do, others may feel exactly the opposite (the game is BETTER and more EXCITING now than then).
I'm not saying i don't agree with you, because a part of me does. But the other half of me likes what it has become and is very interested in where it is going.
One thing i can guarantee you, eve isn't dying unless CCP decides to kill it.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 12:09:00 -
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Eve is nowhere near dying, all the contrary rather. Do you know what mmos thrive on?
They thrive on frustration. Since the game doesn't end, there has to be an endless supply of carrots. But those have to be not completely satisfying, otherwise players would quit. So you go from carrot to carrot, hoping to fulfill whatever desire.
Players can find enjoyment in the process of getting said carrots, or in the frustration of not getting them. For the masochistic state of mind so prevalent in our modern western societies, the frustration is the main drive. We always hope we'll be satisfied, never are, and finally find twisted pleasure in that ambivalent drive.
Eve is not a game anymore, since it doesn't comply to very basic definitions of what a game is, mainly because of the metagaming alt catastrophy (assuming different identities, other players being unaware of that fact). It's now more of a social platform devoted to Schadenfreude. Imagine a Facebook where you could insult other people at will, and have mini-games to impede their browsing experience of said community site. That's what EvE is.
For aforementioned reasons, it's not dying at all. It's thriving on frustration: the kind you experience yourself, or create in others. And it's thriving good.
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Ichandasil
Minmatar
Department of Defence
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Posted - 2009.05.01 12:30:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Ammut
-Eve isn't dying
-Eve hasn't changed
-CCP doesn't cater to anyone
Lets face it, blobers, exploiters, scammers, and people that just want to ruin your day have been around since day 1 (they are just more annoying now). They aren't going anywhere.
Having played the game since Beta I can state unequivocally that the above is true. The number of jerks, and those whining about them, hasn't changed one iota.
And if you really believe the game is dying and that CCP caters to a particular group you're a ****** or you're the typical whiner with an agenda.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 12:59:00 -
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Hey wtf is this , eve is not dying lol.
Infact , it already died. CCP was a small company and used to care about their customers at first, everything ingame was fun and every module added distinct powers to your ship . Traveling around was hard (15km warps) and stargates actualy meant something ..
Those days are gone now . Once you have an established comunity / history / paying customers . THEN your company goals changes, now it is to keep the comunity paying and try to increase it .
Given 90% people are whiners in hostile and hard enviourments (eve) , increasing the player base would only be possible through doing whatever that makes whiners feel at ease and safe .
Cooler and more expensive ships with no real use getting pumped into the game to increase the "cool factor" are just decreasing the value of ships which once did matter.
Sadly there is no way around , you can either increase your customerbase and turn the game into a regular public park paying no attention to any individual , or pay too much attention to hardcore gamers needs , create a "perfect" game and close the company after 4 months because of no profit.
After all , im myself thankful to ccp that it got this far . But we are quick to forget some things here , customers getting treated like milk sheeps have the power to decide which other newer company maybe the winner next time . Just like ccp once were.
I felt very secure when eve first came out , i was sure it had a future and i was very happy investing my time into it. Now i totaly worry about what is going on , players training cruise lvl V and bombers getting changed to torp lvl V with no reimbursement to players who spent their 1 month subscription just training cruise V. This is just one example.
I miss the spirit ccp once had.
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Ana Vyr
DB - LJ Industries
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 13:41:00 -
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I agree with the OP regarding the continued degeneration of simple manners on the internet and in gaming communities. The no-lifers that spend their time making other people miserable are a scourge.
The thing I like about EvE, is that you can find those little bastages, and make them PAY for it.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 13:56:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Panzram
I too am very disturbed by the lack of honour and sense of fairness in this new generation of pod pilots. The blobing, piracy, scamming and local spam really are confounding. Perhaps we can develop a system where the players can only fight each other under limited circumstances and the majority of the game is spent in group PvE for high end modules. I'd call these "raids", and we'd need some sort of point system based on attendance to assign who got these items. We would also need some sort of way for the stuff to be visible on your ship so others would know how "uber" you are at a glance. Oh and levels, this game is sorely lacking in levels. And dragons.
You made my day
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Posted - 2009.05.01 14:11:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Katsuoto
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Is there not a way for a new player to go up against new player of equal skill/sp? Some sort of rank matching system that can be developed to make it a bit more balanced?
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CCP needs to LISTEN to the players.. Not just the ones *****ing about how they want things easier.
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I agree. CCP, please ignore OP.
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.01 15:11:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Celexi
Originally by: Panzram
I too am very disturbed by the lack of honour and sense of fairness in this new generation of pod pilots. The blobing, piracy, scamming and local spam really are confounding. Perhaps we can develop a system where the players can only fight each other under limited circumstances and the majority of the game is spent in group PvE for high end modules. I'd call these "raids", and we'd need some sort of point system based on attendance to assign who got these items. We would also need some sort of way for the stuff to be visible on your ship so others would know how "uber" you are at a glance. Oh and levels, this game is sorely lacking in levels. And dragons.
You made my day
ditto!
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.05.01 15:28:00 -
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EVE isnt dying but it could be improved.
And I agree bubbles are bad game design that makes the universe fell less like "space" should feel.
If a noob want to go explore 0.0 it should not automatic death for a newb if they decided to go in a fast frigate.
As is you cant explore with even modest safety till you have covert ops ccloaks and ships.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.01 15:38:00 -
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"The ability to camp a gate with a warp disrupting field... The ability to flip cans... The ability to form a blob that me and a buddy cant even compete against... That hunts us down everywhere we go when we are just trying to run missions or do some mining? Station camping (which is TOTAL BS)"
tl;dr version:
Me and a friend are butthurt because we can't stroll through 0.0 with just the 2 of us, there should be a rule to allow us to go out to other peoples property, because right now if we invade thier space they are mean to us.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 15:47:00 -
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ITT: Even old players don't understand ≡v≡…
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 15:51:00 -
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Reply to OP.
What game have you been playing. Pirates not honouring ransoms, 0.0 neutral ganking, and general scamming have been a part of this game since beta.
Honestly man if you have a tremendous problem with the way things are going make yourself a positive influence.
Introduce useful topics on the forum for a start, being the whiner/complaining troll inspiration you hate is not the way to prevent said response.
The game will be what it will be and I sincerely doubt CCP is putting effort into making Eve fail.
Sorry but there's no sympathy for the OP. Nothing new around the solar system here.
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: annoing
Originally by: Katsuoto
where players where not filled with so much hate and enjoyment in watching others get upset.
Once, the average age of Eve players was late 20's ... now its full of pre-pubescent teens and goons. And there lies your problem - kids and goons (in many cases they're both the same people).
Mature corps with mature players tend to have a 'no smack in local' policy. Corps created by the kids and stocked with kids tend to be the ones full of smack and 'carebear tears' comments etc.
Wha? The only people I know who play eve are all 20+ lots in their 30s with kids? What game are you playing?
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 01/05/2009 16:25:19
Originally by: Tyslas
Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
Eve is a place where you can do whatever you want.
That's kind of the point he's making.
Give people freedom and anonymity and look how they behave.
They're acting like regular people. What is so horribly wrong with Eve or people that you can seriously question the legitimacy of freedom? WTF?
Originally by: Malcanis
Real freedom is scary and difficult and hard work and you don't get to blame anyone else but yourself when things go bad. That's why most people react in a very negative way when confronted with the prospect of it.
RIGHT ON!
If nothing else freedom provides a truth proving ground to show that we're not all angels. There are serious woes and horrible people in the world and the balance in being free is being able to do something about it. The theory goes that there are far more good people than bad in any given free society, so it goes to reason that the good people willing to change things would outnumber the bad and therefore balance it out. I'd say it's been working so far.
Secondly, whining about the people doing bad things is not a way to get them to stop. I DO NOT condone the whiner's education kids are getting in school today because children don't self discipline. They're taught to let the teacher handle the bully, which teaches the bully to avoid teacher and not the child, and the situation perpetuates into real life. Learn how to stand up for yourself!
MAN UP! If you're tired of pirates harassing you, put your mining to good use, or for that matter do what the GOONS did. GOONS invited hundreds of n00bs to join when they started so in any fight they'd have numbers since they lacked skill. And look how well that worked they're the largest most well known force in Eve.
Take some responsibility whiners, put your battlship where your mouth is and stop depending on the almighty leader/devgod to fix your problems for you. That's what this game is about.
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 01/05/2009 16:26:53
Originally by: Panzram
I too am very disturbed by the lack of honour and sense of fairness in this new generation of pod pilots. The blobing, piracy, scamming and local spam really are confounding. Perhaps we can develop a system where the players can only fight each other under limited circumstances and the majority of the game is spent in group PvE for high end modules. I'd call these "raids", and we'd need some sort of point system based on attendance to assign who got these items. We would also need some sort of way for the stuff to be visible on your ship so others would know how "uber" you are at a glance. Oh and levels, this game is sorely lacking in levels. And dragons.
Don't forget shards! I think we need to sort it out so that only 7-8 people can be in complexes at any given time. When a new group comes in they get a carebeary happy shiny new complex all to themselves! This way no one has to compete over the resources.
I sure do like that suggestion Panzram! Maybe we should put it up to a vote since it's Eve Love Day and all, the happiest, loviest day of all the days of the year! It's like Christmas, but for eve, yey! The ebil is defeated and I can get my lootz back into safe empire space without having to worry.
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.01 16:29:00 -
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This thread has to be some kind of joke, because ganking, griefing, trolling and general asshattery is the reason why EVE is alive today.
So you're from 2004? That was like the pinnacle of griefing in EVE. The game is now more civil and moderate than it has ever been. Given that you were probably a newblet too ignorant to see it and have been bouncing back and forth since, I wouldn't expect you to understand or agree.
The inconvenient truth is you don't derive fun from the game as much as you did, probably because..
- it's no longer got that new car smell
- you've played long enough to see it wasn't the game you expected
- the reality of your existence in the game fails to meet up to your imagination
The difference in how you feel about the game now is the only reason you're projecting so many good vibes at the past.
If you had a credible and well thought out complaint that applied to everyone, you'd get more serious responses. As it stands, your problems are your own. Either deal with it or get out.
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horgarth
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Posted - 2009.05.01 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Originally by: Isakova
Of course not, as I mentioned, it's far easier to just type out a few paragraphs than walk away from the computer, which I really should be doing instead of replying in this thread. But am proving my own point I guess.
Didn't EVE hit a server record recently? Just because you're losing interest in the game because it's not all falling into your lap doesn't mean anything. If you're too bone idle to step up and make things work for you, just admit it. If you're genuinely not enjoying EVE anymore, bye. I hope you had fun while it lasted, remember it was just a game.
Wait, now. You have GOT to explain to me what's wrong with writing essays!
Nothing...
Whats wrong is that you, can't
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Kalexander
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Posted - 2009.05.01 16:54:00 -
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The ancient greeks and even their roman appropriators actually painted their buildings and statues.... And yet, classicism always depicts the stylization with pristine white marble that a contemporary of the ancient times would characterize as half finished.
My point is, we venerate and remember the past in ways that it never in the factual sense happened.
Every generation always retrospectively thinks it's all down hill from here on out, and remembers it all as better than it probably was.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.01 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: horgarth
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Originally by: Isakova
Of course not, as I mentioned, it's far easier to just type out a few paragraphs than walk away from the computer, which I really should be doing instead of replying in this thread. But am proving my own point I guess.
Didn't EVE hit a server record recently? Just because you're losing interest in the game because it's not all falling into your lap doesn't mean anything. If you're too bone idle to step up and make things work for you, just admit it. If you're genuinely not enjoying EVE anymore, bye. I hope you had fun while it lasted, remember it was just a game.
Wait, now. You have GOT to explain to me what's wrong with writing essays!
Nothing...
Whats wrong is that you, can't
Hahahah ... if you notice, I don't think I ever said I could.
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Katsuoto
Gallente
The Centurions
Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.03 17:31:00 -
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You know...
*takes flamesuit off*
After stepping back and spending about a week thinking about my original post...
I realize that most of you are right and I am wrong.
I am not going to let a bunch of average (stupid and angry) people ruin my game experience. Its all part of the game and as a human I realize that other humans are not always kind. Its normal... now days. Other people think its fun to ruin someone elses game. At the same time I also know plenty of people that dont get angry after losing it all. Why? Because like some of you stated they accepted the losses when they joined the game. So now, my job is to do the same and let it go when this stuff happens. I just need to be more careful about my actions to begin with. Start looking before I jump. I know I can get over it, its just... I can't play at the moment... so sitting here rotting away on the forums all I am seeing is the stupid and angry trolls posting away about how much the game sucks. (Hey I guess I am guilty myself) It was getting to me... So I stopped letting it bug me. EvE is not dying, no... I just see veterans leaving more and more everyday which is what gets to me. I don't want to see the really high up people leave... most of them are older people to begin with, which usually means more established and more mature and knowledgable. More capable of leading correctly... Thats all I am getting at folks.
Now however, I do hold to my point about the ship customization. I am not saying other players should really be able to see your ship as custom... I think it should be YOU that gets to see your ship custom. Or if anything, give players the options to shut off the custom visuals on other players. Let both sides win you know?
However, I have still not figured out how to fix my corp issue lol... I cannot speak for anyone but myself, and I think it would be a great feature to the game. I like EvE the way it is folks, really I do. But, nothing is perfect and being a greedy human, I always want more.
Anyways, I am being kicked off so... reply away!
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.03 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Katsuoto
You know...
*takes flamesuit off*
After stepping back and spending about a week thinking about my original post...
I realize that most of you are right and I am wrong.
I am not going to let a bunch of average (stupid and angry) people ruin my game experience. Its all part of the game and as a human I realize that other humans are not always kind. Its normal... now days. Other people think its fun to ruin someone elses game. At the same time I also know plenty of people that dont get angry after losing it all. Why? Because like some of you stated they accepted the losses when they joined the game. So now, my job is to do the same and let it go when this stuff happens. I just need to be more careful about my actions to begin with. Start looking before I jump. I know I can get over it, its just... I can't play at the moment... so sitting here rotting away on the forums all I am seeing is the stupid and angry trolls posting away about how much the game sucks. (Hey I guess I am guilty myself) It was getting to me... So I stopped letting it bug me. EvE is not dying, no... I just see veterans leaving more and more everyday which is what gets to me. I don't want to see the really high up people leave... most of them are older people to begin with, which usually means more established and more mature and knowledgable. More capable of leading correctly... Thats all I am getting at folks.
Now however, I do hold to my point about the ship customization. I am not saying other players should really be able to see your ship as custom... I think it should be YOU that gets to see your ship custom. Or if anything, give players the options to shut off the custom visuals on other players. Let both sides win you know?
However, I have still not figured out how to fix my corp issue lol... I cannot speak for anyone but myself, and I think it would be a great feature to the game. I like EvE the way it is folks, really I do. But, nothing is perfect and being a greedy human, I always want more.
Anyways, I am being kicked off so... reply away!
EvE has always been sort of transient for most players. We come in, play a few months hardcore, then take a break and try something else. It's the harshness and effort which always attracts us back, but at the same time, there's often only so much of it you can put up with at a time.
This is the only game where I can come back after a year, say hello in a public channel, and get a response by not just one person I know ... but four or five. I've got people who have been on my buddy list for the entire length of my character's lifespan, and they there's only a half dozen or so who I haven't seen log in at all.
It's actually respectable to see someone who has an opinion, rethink that opinion. There are, of course, ways to upgrade and improve EvE, and it's possible that one day we'll see those ideas of yours come to fruition. EvE's development is still going strong and great improvements come along about every six months or so.
But the fact that you could rethink your own position and adapt, means that maybe your better suited for this game than you originally felt.
/salute
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