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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.05.01 05:28:00 -
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I know its been suggested before, But seriously its getting ridiculous. Its ruining the player enviroment.
Jita is flooded with spamming scammers. All the secondary "superhubs" are also being flooded. Expected right? Now its popping up in other less busy local channels mission hubs with less than 100 people FFS. NPC corp chats have picked up alot of constant isk seller and scam spammers now. I have two alts in different NPC corps, Spamming has picked up in the last month or two as more people are turning to using scams to make money in eve.
Its really affecting the players experience the poor noobs cant even ask and answer questions in their noob corp channel cause scammers spam it every 5 seconds.
Its way out of hand and getting past the point of slightly annoying. Everywhere i go someone is spamming local or some other public channel with stupid crap that shouldnt even be allowed in eve anyway.
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ALREADY.
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Krennel Darius
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2009.05.01 06:39:00 -
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/SIGNED
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Crawler
Gallente Northern Star Brigade
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Posted - 2009.05.01 07:13:00 -
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identify the IP's that those accounts are on and band them. they are trail accounts for sure. _____________________________________________ yawnnnnn |
Glamaz Cruciatia
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Posted - 2009.05.01 08:31:00 -
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agreed, its not so much the scams themselves but the spam...
Local was a place where legit sellers could advertise, but due to the amount of spam, and the distrust because majority of contracts are scams, are hurting traders
I do understand that CCP which to keep things realistic in terms of scams, but something needs to be done, as this much spam and scam cannot be healthy for the game, not only as a community, but the spam must cause load on the servers
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BIZZAROSTORMY
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Posted - 2009.05.01 08:39:00 -
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Systems like Jita need a comptroller or a mayor.
This guy would be able to ban people from local chat for a period of time, if hes not liking their tone. Its not democratic, it isnt fair and its heavy handed. Thats why it would work. He might also put the concord on ya, if you were a bit nefarious with the old scamming and ****ing enough people off.
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2009.05.01 09:33:00 -
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Since scamming is allowed, they would not send CONCORD after them, but ...
- I sign that something needs to be done! In RL you can create spam filters; in EVE you can only block the sender, which does not help when they constantly create new accounts.
- That brings me to a possible solution: Don't allow people to create contracts with more than 99mill cost, in their first month of existence (or within trial time). Afterwards they could scam like they want, but it would be easier to block people and they can't come back with a new account within hours.
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Neros D
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Posted - 2009.05.02 04:40:00 -
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/signed
If for nothing else then do it as a NEED FOR SPEED initiative. Do whatever it takes. Remove local for all I care!
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Arushia
Nova Labs
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Posted - 2009.05.02 07:21:00 -
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Easy fix: Make it impossible to link contracts in Local char or NPC corp corp chat.
Elegant fix: Round ISK amounts in contracts to 3 significant figures. Thus 2,999,999,999 would be rounded to "3.00 billion"
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Swarmm
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Posted - 2009.05.02 11:33:00 -
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/signed
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Symbolizer
Gallente Universal Moose Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.02 13:36:00 -
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/Signed
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Saul Reaver
Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.02 13:40:00 -
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Signed. Its getting out of hand. I don't go to Jita often but i've never seen spamming this bad. If you can't earn isk by yourself then go play WOW and go rob some gold or something. I think CCP should alter the contracts system like putting the ammount at the end of the number. For example- 998,536,000 Nine-Hundred and ninety eight million five hundred and thirty-six Thousand ISK. This will put a stop to most of the scams. Seriously though this is ruining the game, Plz do something about it CCP.
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Soddicus
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Posted - 2009.05.02 13:40:00 -
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definetly getting out of hand and as a business owner in real life, false advertising is illegal and ccp knows this aswell. for these people to scam right out in local without penalty and ccp to say 'ohwell you should have known better', is really poor business on their part. thats why we have court systems throughout the world and would have one in eve if it were real.
get rid of it now... /signed
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Lord Grr
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Posted - 2009.05.02 13:42:00 -
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/signed
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Immortalade
Sphere Systems
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Posted - 2009.05.02 13:42:00 -
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/signed
This was funny at first, but now is way beyond funny.There is hardly a system i go to that u do not see at least a dozen people trying this scam.it causes lag as people open lots of the contracts out of curiosity.also makes it impossible to sell genuine contracts as people just now assume every contract linked is a scam. i am sure ccp could sort this if they wanted.i know scamming is part of Eve, but not when it is ruining the game for a lot of people.
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Sgt Nill
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Posted - 2009.05.02 13:43:00 -
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/Signed
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Sahier
Gallente Grey Star Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.05.02 13:47:00 -
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/signed
Simple fix: Trial accounts cannot create contracts nor can any character less than 14 days old. Simple.
Let's face it, in 14 or 21 days, you are not likely to have anything WORTH contracting. I'm sorry but it's true.
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night shiftstar
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Posted - 2009.05.02 13:55:00 -
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this must stop !!! /signed
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Captain Campion
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.05.02 14:09:00 -
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/signed
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Sir Substance
Minmatar Deep Black Industries House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.05.02 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Crawler identify the IP's that those accounts are on and band them. they are trail accounts for sure.
the problem with IP bannings is that most people are using dynamic IP's.
ive always been in favor of something a) more permanent and b) less indescriminate
if possible, id go for MAC address bannings. that way every time a spammer gets banned, he needs to buy a new router. that should put a dent in profits, yes?
Originally by: insidion
Originally by: Sir Substance the obscenely rich are the people wholding the t2 BPO's, the dysprosium moons
How on earth did you misspell 'holding' and yet nail 'dysprosium' in |
Rollory
Gallente Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.05.02 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sahier /signed
Simple fix: Trial accounts cannot create contracts nor can any character less than 14 days old. Simple.
If you'd checked, you'd have seen this is already the case. It doesn't fix the problem because the contract scammers are alts on older accounts, while the isk sellers are just spamming chats. The only real solution to the second problem is to drastically limit newbie chat outside of certain channels.
I'm strongly in favor of CCP hiring Blackwater mercs to go assassinate the isk seller spammers. But I'm told I'm not a nice person.
anyway, signed.
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Maikar
Gallente Solstice Systems Development Concourse Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.02 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Maikar on 02/05/2009 14:53:43 /Signed.
Here is my suggestion: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1045481
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honoria vale
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Posted - 2009.05.02 15:10:00 -
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SIGNED SIGNED SIGNED SIGNED SIGNED SIGNED
That's one each for my two mains and their alts, all of whom at different times and in diverse locations throughout New Eden, have experienced the growing irritation this phenomenon inflicts on us paying patrons. The pox on these scammers, their progeny and indeed the wombs that spawned them!
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.02 15:36:00 -
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CHAt mod FTW! PUt concord Titans on spammers and don' t alow them dock, or even better, make it so EVERYONE can shoot them and have fun. Something has to be done about this! Hm... |
kongking wang
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Posted - 2009.05.02 16:06:00 -
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/signed
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Johli
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.02 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Johli on 02/05/2009 16:31:50 If only we had a block butto- OH SHI
edit: but ban isk sellers kthx
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Neros D
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Posted - 2009.05.08 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: Johli Edited by: Johli on 02/05/2009 16:31:50 If only we had a block butto- OH SHI
There's a limit on how many you can block and why should 200.000 subscripters be forced to each and everyone block one bot, when obviously that bot ought to be banned? A lot of the scam spamming is bots!
Lets just find a way to stop this nonsense NOW!
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.08 05:43:00 -
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Disallow Trial Accounts from talking in Local.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Neros D
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Posted - 2009.05.08 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian Disallow Trial Accounts from talking in Local.
I doubt thats the solution as a lot of the actual scam spammers are registered accounts. ISK sellers are normally trial accounts, but thats because CCP are actually trying to deal with that problem.
The scam spam problem is just being ignored and considered "Trade PvP" - I've never heard anything that stupid, but hey!
A simple solution could be making a typed out price for all contracts, so 950,000,001 ISK would be typed as (950 million and 1 isk) behind the price or 999,999,999 as (999 million 999 thousand and 999 isk).
I know this might sound silly as people ought to be able to tell the difference on their decimals, but never the less. I'm sick of the scam spam, I'm sick of a zillion stupid contracts flooding the market, when I look for something and I'm sick of bots!
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wicker man
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2009.05.08 07:34:00 -
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/sign
this is getting way past the point of 'trade pvp' I'm going to go as far as to say that 95% (or more) of all trade hub local chat is a scam.
the idea about fully spelling out the numbers would work to reduce the scams I bet because they would be less effective.
'getting ridiculous' is an understatement : P I only pod because I don't want them to have a long trip back. |
Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.08 07:58:00 -
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I don't understand why CCP made Contracts linkable in chat. It seems to me that anyone wanting to buy something from contract will already be looking for it there. All spamming it (legitimately or scamming) does is **** people off and get you blocked.
CCP's Scam Possibility Policy does not have a spam clause.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Chopper911
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Posted - 2009.05.08 08:03:00 -
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Signed
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Darwin's Market
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Posted - 2009.05.08 08:03:00 -
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Another advantage of removing local altogether.
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Fille Balle
TachyonTubbies Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.05.08 08:03:00 -
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Indeed. CCP has stated that the contracts put a heavy load on the servers, so putting an end to this can only be healthy for the game/server.
/Signed in pirate blood
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Da Death
Minmatar Relentless Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.08 08:12:00 -
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I don't know how many threads exists about scam/spam issue, but as I said a few weeks back, IT WILL GET WORSE -and the bad thing is CCP doesn't do anything about it. I agree if someone gets SCAMMED that it is his/her fault alone. But now we are talking about a bombardment of scam which results in a lot of SPAM.
Contract scams: In the future there will be so many contracts scams that you yourself have to log off WITHOUT having found the right contracts BECAUSE your so tired of reading scams, that you will be UNABLE to play eve in a TIMELY fashion. THAT IS what matters for me!
links with threads on this matter
Dear CCP, do you condone contract scams? Jita nerf á Curse Absolution Prorator T2 Mods/Drones/Ammo Manufacturer
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Abulurd Boniface
Gallente Mercantile Exchange for Mining And Exploration
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Posted - 2009.05.08 08:18:00 -
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I have discovered a solution of truly epic proportions to countermand the spamming [when it bothers me, which is not that often. I avoid Jita unless I -really- have to be there].
Please follow the steps below to get rid of spammers: 1. In the local channel, right-click the name of the spamming individual. 2. Select "Block" from the context menu.
Also, spammers: it's clever to try and sell a 1 million item for 1 billion, but when -everybody- starts doing it, it's just lame. That is really the best you can do? I'm less than impressed.
Also, if -every- contract offered through local is a scam, we should just adopt the stance of not even bothering to look at contracts offered in local.
If nobody buys, the problem will go away, because the scammer will no longer sell. It's because people buy into the scam that people continue to try and scam. A product without a market will simply cease to be.
A massive blocking campaign will remove a lot of noise from the signal.
Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO
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Neros D
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Posted - 2009.05.08 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Abulurd Boniface
A massive blocking campaign will remove a lot of noise from the signal.
A blocking campain is NO solution! This problem isn't only related to Jita. It's just about any system in the weekends with around 200 players. We need a real solution and not 200.000 subscripers needing to block scam spam bots.
You're not getting rid of anything. You're just avoiding to deal with the problem on a comunity level. I refuse to have to block the same creep on my various accounts!
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Madam Pants
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Posted - 2009.05.08 09:09:00 -
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Signed.
No issue with Scams, they're a part of Eve. BUT stop the spamming!
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.08 09:51:00 -
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/signed
As i see it spam should be stopped for everything doesn't matter if it's scamming spam or not. I have written my opinion in this thread
And i repeat once more:
Originally by: Trimutius III
IMO any spamming should be punished. No matter if it scamming spam or spam of something else. Spam in local is really annoying. And muting should be automatic IMHO. Something like muting bot that mutes player in local chat:
- for spamming same message for more then 6 times an hour. - for spamming same link in different messages more then 6 times an hour. - for writing messages more then 6 times a minute.
As a backstory it could be like muting by local authorities. Or it may work only in Empire Space and could be a muting by CONCORD. And message like: "CONCORD antispam bot has muted you for... bla-bla-bla..." where "bla-bla-bla" is reason for muting.
P.S. of course 6 is just for example u may choose any other number.
------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Zaraki KenpachiSan
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Posted - 2009.05.08 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Arushia Easy fix: Make it impossible to link contracts in Local char or NPC corp corp chat.
Elegant fix: Round ISK amounts in contracts to 3 significant figures. Thus 2,999,999,999 would be rounded to "3.00 billion"
This!! It's so easy ffs!!
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Esbear
Minmatar Exotic dancer training club
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Posted - 2009.05.08 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Esbear on 08/05/2009 11:58:18 Solutions :
1. Allow people to filter out any post with a link in local. If I want to look at contracts I'll go to the contract system. This will also filter out bbfgdkfeiurnd and his isk spam buddies, at least for now.
2. The only reason those scams are working only slightly is because the named price indication in contracts needs a little work. I mean 199.999.999 isk is 200 mil. When naming a price round using the upper three significant digits and blatantly disregard the rest.
3. No public contracts allowed for modules, rigs and (unrigged, non faction) ships metalevel 5 or below. Buy and sell that on the market. It might be considered lame by some current scammers but does not remove the possibility to scam. It just removes the "easy & stupid" scam from the contracts to the 'normal' market reducing strain on the servers. If I buy irl my purchase and the sale are considered a sales contract anyway. Keep the contract system for the more special items.
4. Introduce cspa charges for linking any contract or website in local or public ccp created channel. I need to pay to advertise in real life, so why not in a public broadcast channel? If introduced btbflkjreyw and his buddies will have a much harder time linking their isk spam site as well. CSPA charges stop private convo bots now.
The good thing about all these solutions is they can probably be created client side and not much change is needed server side.
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Daetorin
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Posted - 2009.05.08 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Esbear Edited by: Esbear on 08/05/2009 11:58:18 4. Introduce cspa charges for linking any contract or website in local or public ccp created channel. I need to pay to advertise in real life, so why not in a public broadcast channel? If introduced btbflkjreyw and his buddies will have a much harder time linking their isk spam site as well. CSPA charges stop private convo bots now.
/signed
This is a great idea, and I think it will go a long way to alleviate the other problems. And make the CSPA charge something like 1% of the value of the contract. a 1,000,000,000 isk contract would cost you 10,000,000 to advertise in local or NPC corp chat. Every time you posted it!
Of course, these charges shouldn't be applied to private corp chat, etc.
All in all, I think most of the ideas presented here are very anti-market, heavy handed solutions, which is contrary to the spirit of Eve.
I think CSPA charges would do enough to reduce the contract spam, and I think providing people with chat filtering would have a great impact on isk selling spam, and have great utility beyond that. Not only could I filter phrases like "buy isk", but I could also filter people who say nothing but "lol". I would never have to hear someone use the phrase "i can haz" or "wutever" ever again! :)
Another possibility would be a "report spam" item in the right click menu which would use Bayesian filtering system similar to how Gmail manages spam.
Problem solved.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2009.05.08 18:12:00 -
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But this development was totally unforeseeable! Oh wait.. Yeah ok, ok, wasted sarcasm, I know.
Anyway, I wholeheartedly agree.
Where is the harshness of EVE when you need it?!
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Balance is power, guard hide it well
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Roxy Racoon
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Posted - 2009.05.10 21:08:00 -
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Block anyone who trys to sell anything more than 2x the market. Spamming is ruining the game
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Michelle Vega
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Posted - 2009.05.10 21:25:00 -
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Simple. Just remove 'paste' option from the code for trial accounts. No Ctrl-V, no right click and paste.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.10 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Michelle Vega Simple. Just remove 'paste' option from the code for trial accounts. No Ctrl-V, no right click and paste.
Will not work... Bots don't need 'paste' actually.. they can print all that heap load of text, just a little bit slower... So i don't think it would help... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Michelle Vega
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Posted - 2009.05.10 21:40:00 -
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I suppose these suggestions wouldn't work either (for trial accounts):
* minimum time between posts in local: 60 seconds * CSPA charge for repeated text in local * automatic kick off the server for flooding (same text repeatedly). Kick reason given and a countdown to log back in, say 5 minutes * restricting amount of text you can type before pressing return (lets say 2 lines / 40 characters) in addition to a 10 second delay before you can type the next thing (unless it is the same, then kick) * moving a spammer to a tutorial dungeon with no local and no way out (jail) for an hour * require all trial accounts to activate their account via email link before being able to sign in * require tutorial to be completed before being allowed to talk in any other channel than rookie channel. Once tutorial is completed, you have full access to chat.
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Random27
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Posted - 2009.05.10 21:45:00 -
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How about this: When a contract is created for way over the market rate (say >10x but could be tuneable), a warning is issued. That contract cannot then be linked to in chat. The number of such contracts could also be limited within a certain time period. The problem may come where scammers would adapt their methods for a workaround. I could see CCP getting into an arms race, which would end up acheiving nothing more than slowing the servers down...
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Random27
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Posted - 2009.05.10 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rollory
I'm strongly in favor of CCP hiring Blackwater mercs to go assassinate the isk seller spammers. But I'm told I'm not a nice person.
anyway, signed.
I'm sure if they left the stations, they'd get shot at quite frequently anyway...
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.11 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Crawler identify the IP's that those accounts are on and band them. they are trail accounts for sure.
you lose? good day sir? === This Space For Lease or Sale. |
Neros D
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Posted - 2009.05.11 09:10:00 -
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Edited by: Neros D on 11/05/2009 09:12:30 I'm giving up on my cause. Let EVE go to hell. Lets fill our block que. Lets have bots SCAM SPAMMING all the time. Lets not do a **** about it, because we actually CBA to do it.
After a week of campaining this "Stop the SCAM SPAM" I figured out the following:
- Most people don't care
- Most people don't care
- Most people think SPAM and SCAMS are cool
- People will get more angry on a person telling them to go to a forum than a bot spamming the same thing over and over 24/7 every two minutes
- Most people don't think that they can make a difference and certain doubt that forums are a waste of resources, as they never made a change to the game
This makes me sad, but hey... I guess I'll just start blocking and ignoring the fact that bots are allowed to undermine and destroy the game. Certainly noone cares or CBA to actually do something about it.
Edit: As I can see on the contracts that these bots are making a lot of isk, well why not make one. I encourage EVERYONE to go make a trial bot selling fake deals, since apparently that is want people want from a game!!
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Tertiacero
Caldari Altruism. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.05.11 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Daetorin
...make the CSPA charge something like 1% of the value of the contract. a 1,000,000,000 isk contract would cost you 10,000,000 to advertise in local or NPC corp chat. Every time you posted it!
this.
Also like to see anybody who repeats the exact same phrase over ten characters long three times in a row given an automatic 30 minute mute in local.
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Parmala Udoni
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Posted - 2009.05.11 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Substance if possible, id go for MAC address bannings. that way every time a spammer gets banned, he needs to buy a new router. that should put a dent in profits, yes?
um, no... CCP's machines don't see your router's MAC address; it's subnet-local. They see the MAC address of THEIR router, and banning that would make us ALL unhappy. :D
Ethernet 101: the MAC (or, Media Access Control) address is the physical address of your network interface on your local subnet. When you send a packet to a non-subnet local host, your router replaces your MAC address in the packets with its own MAC address before it sends the packet to the next hop. In short: your IP address uniquely identifies your host on the whole internet; your MAC address uniquely identifies your network interface on your local network.
And besides, even if your idea was right, I haven't seen a router (or an Ethernet interface) that doesn't allow you to override the MAC address programmed from the factory, so it'd be tit-simple to spoof in any case. :-(
Nice try, though! :)
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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.05.11 23:48:00 -
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simple solution: just petition every spammer for harassment. effectively and willingly making local chat useless is a violation of the eula imho. that might not fix the problem of the spammers but might raise some awareness on ccp's side just how out of hand spamming is.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.11 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Koll simple solution: just petition every spammer for harassment. effectively and willingly making local chat useless is a violation of the eula imho. that might not fix the problem of the spammers but might raise some awareness on ccp's side just how out of hand spamming is.
I think CCP is aware of problem already... But bots are really annoying... there should be automatic muting there... At least bots will not be able to spam a lot... And players will not be able too... Muting Bot isn't that hard to make many chats have such bots implemented... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
RJ Nobel
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Posted - 2009.05.12 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Koll simple solution: just petition every spammer for harassment. effectively and willingly making local chat useless is a violation of the eula imho. that might not fix the problem of the spammers but might raise some awareness on ccp's side just how out of hand spamming is.
Petitioning spamscammers is useless.
Ever notice how the only effective tool to fight spammers is "Block" - positioned neatly in that small space between "add to addressbook" and "give money to..."?
Yeah.
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Krikin
Pigs In Space United Proletariat Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.12 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: Krikin on 12/05/2009 04:26:59 Edited by: Krikin on 12/05/2009 04:25:36
solution: have an menu option to block messages and/or to keep from showing/blocking contracts/contract links with the contract price higher than stated value (say 10mil, 90mil, 900mil, ect) ?
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.05.12 07:35:00 -
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I've always hated local spam, but it's more and more out of control as the game ages.
I back the no contracts in local idea.
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Pandelume
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.12 09:32:00 -
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/Signed
It's not the scams themselves. It's the sheer volume of them. I mean, Eve is not a big truck. It's not something you can just dump on. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they're filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube, enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.12 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: RJ Nobel
Originally by: Julian Koll simple solution: just petition every spammer for harassment. effectively and willingly making local chat useless is a violation of the eula imho. that might not fix the problem of the spammers but might raise some awareness on ccp's side just how out of hand spamming is.
Petitioning spamscammers is useless.
Ever notice how the only effective tool to fight spammers is "Block" - positioned neatly in that small space between "add to addressbook" and "give money to..."?
Yeah.
If spammers will be automaticly muted (no matter what they are spamming) it will be a good decision... Spam is annoing thing... And i don't want to use Block, i have blocked only one individual, because he deserves it, and i don't want to waste this special ability on any garbage that i met, because block from me is like honor, i mark that someone is really mad and insane, bots are not from this category, and i can't get why should i do all that work that automatic muting bot can do easily... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Cheekything
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.05.12 11:58:00 -
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Frankly CCP does need to do something about this.
I do believe if the scamming is less likely the spamming will stop.
A few ideas from other have been to the following
Colour in for each unit i.e.
trillions = purple billions = blue millions = teal thousands = green hundreds = yellow decimal units = red
or to just write out the sum i.e
234 trillion 456 billion 768 million 485 thousand and 567 . 55
also highlighting the units for sale as well. i.e.
if it's in unit it's highlighted in red if it's in thousands it's highlighted in yellow etc etc.
Also fixing contracts so that they can only state what the contract contains. i.e.
Multiple units 234 million isk 1x ferogel 1 billion isk
And lastly round up to an estimate price so that
80,000,001 is now 81 million with estimated price after and a check price area.
Linkage to the thread i started before I saw this one :/.
My final words on the subject is that I do not care much for active scamming i.e. saying telling people ejecting and exiting from the game gives you 1 bill, or "if you give me your faction bs i'll dupicate it for you" as these take some sort of thinking and not a marco program to achieve. |
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Killshandra
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2009.05.13 16:17:00 -
[61]
/signed
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Tuscanspeed
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:25:00 -
[62]
You cannot stop people from trying to scam contracts realistically.
CCP doesn't ban people that buy ISK, and it's virtually impossible to stop the sellers. So in effect, there is no punishment for buying ISK.
When there is. It'll stop. Never have been. Never will be. An Alt. |
Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:51:00 -
[63]
Reading Patch Notes:
Market & Contracts
* Contracts will now display the cost of an item in words (hundreds, thousands, millions) even if the figure is not a round number. For example, a contract for an Invulnerability Field II at 200.999.999 ISK will be displayed in word form also as 200.99 Million, much the same as if it were a round number.
At least something... This will not stop all the spam, but at least not that 1mill manticores and interbus shuttles anymore... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Fermi0n
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Posted - 2009.05.13 22:41:00 -
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/Signed
There have been many good suggestions here, I don't want to repeat them. Some suggestions are a bit harsh or unrealistic, but I hope something is done. I don't mind scammers at all I have never fallen for one and think scammers mostly rip of younger people. I'm talking about the 10 year old kids that may not be as good with numbers as someone older.
The spam has indeed become impossible to deal with. I tried blocking these people but it's a new name every day and I look at the characters, they are one day old etc... My block list got huge so I just emptied and stopped blocking.
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Michelle Roberts
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Posted - 2009.05.14 01:18:00 -
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/SIGNED
If I played a game and I saw General chat like I see in Jita. I'd probably quit the game and uninstall. Its a good thing I know I love Eve already. Jita scamming and spamming is embarrassing to us and the game.
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Neros D
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Posted - 2009.05.15 06:54:00 -
[66]
Thank you CCP for giving this some love in your last patch with the 999,999,999 contracts being shown differently. I hope you'll keep your eyes on the problem, as this doesn't solve all, but it sure will take the worst scam spammers out of their job!
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Ilea Celentay
Mystification
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:10:00 -
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not sure if it has been suggested, but maybe adding a "report this player" type link on player options could cut this down.
It could work somewhat like muting players in a moderated channel. Say, 5-10 "reports" in a set amount of time mutes the player for 10 minutes, scaling upwards to the point where the players is banned from posting in the local channel/other channel permanently.
Jita normal has upwards of 900 players, so say a player would need 200 "reports" before they are permanently muted its very unlikely this could be abused.
Further more, all reports would be logged, so if some corp/alliance decided to pick on people it would be fairly obvious and they could be punished.
Finally, for the slow people that spam without understanding the rules or for transferred characters that are banned a simple (low-priority) petition to the GMs would restore their voice.
After all that, is this not similar to the process of obscene language in local channels is dealt with?
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Szap Light
Caldari DRUCKWELLE Evolution The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 23:30:00 -
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Scam is gay but Legal. Spam is the Problem.
Simple Solution: - Add option to ignore every trial account in public channels. (Corp chat is no Public chan) - Add option to block entire accounts - Remove possibility to post Contracts of OTHER Persons in Public chans - Add simple spam filter: Same Contract cannot be posted more then every 10 minutes in same Channel regardless the Poster.
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Atata Kaiko
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Posted - 2009.08.01 03:42:00 -
[69]
/signed
What about giving us a global black list that any blocks from any user get added to automatically (perhaps only for a little while - perhaps one day). Then we subscribe to the black list and voila, no spammers on any chat channels. I'd say let people sill send messages directly as that costs ISK and no one's going to spam when it costs 3000 ISK every message.
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Atata Kaiko
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Posted - 2009.08.01 04:35:00 -
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What about, right-click, "Block Character's Corporation" - in one fell swoop, GoonSwarm goes silent...
... beautiful silence.
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Krystal Flores
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Posted - 2009.09.01 00:25:00 -
[71]
how about spam goes back to jita where is belongs? also limitations in trial acounts limiting spam?
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Te Hari
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Posted - 2009.09.01 01:06:00 -
[72]
/signed
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Davelantor
Caldari The Hunt World Allegiance of The Hunt
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Posted - 2009.09.02 15:38:00 -
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agreed .. they should track their IP adresses so they cant create alts to do the same again, record their mac adresses, lookfor accounts that use same creditcard numbers, paypal account names .. and not just for scammers and spammers, do it aslo agains glichers, macro miners and isk sellers
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