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BlackDragonShadow Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.02 08:00:00 - [1] I enjoy watching anime but it seems like a lot of anime has homosexual undertones to it. Not that I have a problem with homosexuality I just find that like a lot of anime has this subtext in it. Am I just crazy? Touched by his noodly appendage. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.05.02 08:02:00 - [2] Edited by: Terianna Eri on 02/05/2009 08:02:36 Different culture etc. In b4 irrational hatred p.s. anything in particular you're referring to? __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
BlackDragonShadow Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.02 08:06:00 - [3] Originally by: Terianna Eri Edited by: Terianna Eri on 02/05/2009 08:02:36 Different culture etc. In b4 irrational hatred p.s. anything in particular you're referring to? Things like Haruhi Suzumiya and Gankutsuou etc. Touched by his noodly appendage. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Grimpak Gallente Clubs and Diamonds	Posted - 2009.05.02 08:26:00 - [4] Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Originally by: Terianna Eri Edited by: Terianna Eri on 02/05/2009 08:02:36 Different culture etc. In b4 irrational hatred p.s. anything in particular you're referring to? Things like Haruhi Suzumiya and Gankutsuou etc. you think those ones are bad, then don't even touch on X tv, or anything CLAMP-related while I must admit that their more "mature" titles are, story-wise, very good, the relationships border (or can even be considered) illegal sometimes, or at least socially reprehensible. something like f-f or m-m relationships or even f-f-m or whatever weird combos you can slap there, or teacher-student relationships or diferent ages and so. but that's rarely seen besides CLAMP stuff tbh. in many series, there is a sense of fraternal "love" in the sense that, cultural-wise, best friends can be considered brothers. point in case, Code Geass. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
BlackDragonShadow Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.02 08:31:00 - [5] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Originally by: Terianna Eri Edited by: Terianna Eri on 02/05/2009 08:02:36 Different culture etc. In b4 irrational hatred p.s. anything in particular you're referring to? Things like Haruhi Suzumiya and Gankutsuou etc. you think those ones are bad, then don't even touch on X tv, or anything CLAMP-related while I must admit that their more "mature" titles are, story-wise, very good, the relationships border (or can even be considered) illegal sometimes, or at least socially reprehensible. something like f-f or m-m relationships or even f-f-m or whatever weird combos you can slap there, or teacher-student relationships or diferent ages and so. but that's rarely seen besides CLAMP stuff tbh. in many series, there is a sense of fraternal "love" in the sense that, cultural-wise, best friends can be considered brothers. point in case, Code Geass. Yeah but those brothers tried to kill each other. Touched by his noodly appendage. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Grimpak Gallente Clubs and Diamonds	Posted - 2009.05.02 08:32:00 - [6] Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Originally by: Terianna Eri Edited by: Terianna Eri on 02/05/2009 08:02:36 Different culture etc. In b4 irrational hatred p.s. anything in particular you're referring to? Things like Haruhi Suzumiya and Gankutsuou etc. you think those ones are bad, then don't even touch on X tv, or anything CLAMP-related while I must admit that their more "mature" titles are, story-wise, very good, the relationships border (or can even be considered) illegal sometimes, or at least socially reprehensible. something like f-f or m-m relationships or even f-f-m or whatever weird combos you can slap there, or teacher-student relationships or diferent ages and so. but that's rarely seen besides CLAMP stuff tbh. in many series, there is a sense of fraternal "love" in the sense that, cultural-wise, best friends can be considered brothers. point in case, Code Geass. Yeah but those brothers tried to kill each other. brotherly love, the hard kind --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Nuala Reece Caldari Starlancers SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.05.02 09:42:00 - [7] Originally by: BlackDragonShadow I enjoy watching anime but it seems like a lot of anime has homosexual undertones to it. Not that I have a problem with homosexuality I just find that like a lot of anime has this subtext in it. Am I just crazy? It's a bit a a broad generalization - lots of anime deals with relationships and some of those may be or imply same sex attraction; lots of anime doesn't have this at all though. You could ask the same question about Hollywood movies - have you seen Top Gun, for instance?
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.05.02 09:57:00 - [8] What's CLAMP? I can't work tentacles into that acronym, but I have a feeling it belongs there. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Fi Vantage Minmatar New Ligion	Posted - 2009.05.02 10:15:00 - [9] A studio/production team, I think. Not an acronym. Strangely enough, the only gay content in anime I've ever seen was satiring gay content in anime/manga.
kor anon Amarr Seerauber-Vereinigung	Posted - 2009.05.02 10:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Grimpak brotherly love, the hard kind Oh the connotations, must resist...
Karma Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2009.05.02 11:07:00 - [11] CLAMP, isa group of artists, all female that create mangas and animes together... they created Card Captor Sakura, X, XXXHolic and some other relatively well-known shows. just like guys sometimes have a penchant for girl-on-girl, girls sometimes also have a fascination with guy-on-guy... and just like guys, they think it's more romantic than it probably is ;) you don't see girls swooning over the blue oyster bar from police academy, for instance. so yeah... i suppose it's possible that they're trying to attract more girls to watch anime by adding pretty gay guys... and attract guys by adding pretty gay girls. shrugs .. hmm.. wonder if 'gay' will be filtered...
Mercurye Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.02 11:16:00 - [12] I dont enjoy watching tv too much because all tv-series have heterosexual/heteronormative relationships and people in them I must be crazy! --~--~--~--~ ~NOTE: Freak~
Onus Mian Amarr Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2009.05.02 12:11:00 - [13] You clearly don't remember the days of superman and heman. ---- Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams
Cipher7	Posted - 2009.05.02 12:47:00 - [14] Alot of "macho" behavior is just based on homophobia. You'll find in some cultures, you can put your arm around another guy without anybody thinking it's gay. In Western culture being gay is a choice. In some cultures being gay is...not really taboo, but more of a pointless choice as it doesn't produce children, and in that culture producing children is considered the only reason for living, so even if you have feelings for someone of the same sex, it's really considered pointless to engage in anything with that person. Love is really a western concept. Half my family is Asiatic, if I tell them I "fell in love" with someone they really don't understand, they're like "love wtf" they think I should get married because "it's time to have kids." The concept that I might actually enjoy being around a person for its own sake is like saying "I rubbed applesauce all over myself and my thighs felt squishy." They just don't understand it. For that reason being gay is not considered "taboo" but more of a "why the hell would you do that?" kind of thing. Thats why you can put your arm around another guy and nobody thinks it's gay, because gay is considered pointless and everybody is assumed to be rational.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2009.05.02 13:45:00 - [15] I've also heard that gay was/is "trendy." In before Ralara.
Mercurye Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.02 14:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Brea Lafail I've also heard that gay was/is "trendy." Bisexual women were/are trendy ..but being gay isnt ^^ I do know that , especially on the internet with all the masculine nerds, bashing gays and saying "Thats so ****ing G.a.y!!" really makes you a cool guy, loved and so special ^^ --~--~--~--~ ~NOTE: Freak~
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.05.02 15:36:00 - [17] Originally by: BlackDragonShadow [...]seems like a lot of anime has homosexual undertones to it. Not that I have a problem with homosexuality[...] Sounds like you do. I don't hear you complaining about excess boobage in all the anime... EVE issues\|Mining revamp\|Build stuff\|Make ISK
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.05.02 16:20:00 - [18] Originally by: BlackDragonShadow I enjoy watching anime but it seems like a lot of anime has homosexual undertones to it. Not that I have a problem with homosexuality I just find that like a lot of anime has this subtext in it. Am I just crazy? The Japanese view of sexual relationships are very diffrent then western culture and it reflects in their entertainment. If you have the means take a Japanese history course or do some research recomended by a professor. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.02 18:10:00 - [19] goosh goosh? Pomp FTW!!!
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.05.02 18:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Grimpak you think those ones are bad, then don't even touch on X tv... I actually really enjoyed X and I don't remember it being that gay, but then it's been a long ass time since I watched it so my memory's pretty fuzzy. (Man they had the coolest swords in that though) __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.05.02 18:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Intense Thinker goosh goosh? NO ____________________
Grimpak Gallente Clubs and Diamonds	Posted - 2009.05.02 19:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Intense Thinker goosh goosh? NO Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Grimpak you think those ones are bad, then don't even touch on X tv... I actually really enjoyed X and I don't remember it being that gay, but then it's been a long ass time since I watched it so my memory's pretty fuzzy. (Man they had the coolest swords in that though) homosexual might be a too strong word, but there is something between the protagonist and the two siblings, probably brotherly love between both Kamui and Fuma(? think it's his name), and Kotori, Fuma's sister. one can say that there might be a love triangle there, and it's not both male characters for the same female. but then again, it's CLAMP, so we're used to it already btw, CLAMP --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.02 19:17:00 - [23] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Intense Thinker goosh goosh? NO I CONCUR. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.05.02 19:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Intense Thinker goosh goosh? NO Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Grimpak you think those ones are bad, then don't even touch on X tv... I actually really enjoyed X and I don't remember it being that gay, but then it's been a long ass time since I watched it so my memory's pretty fuzzy. (Man they had the coolest swords in that though) homosexual might be a too strong word, but there is something between the protagonist and the two siblings, probably brotherly love between both Kamui and Fuma(? think it's his name), and Kotori, Fuma's sister. one can say that there might be a love triangle there, and it's not both male characters for the same female. but then again, it's CLAMP, so we're used to it already btw, CLAMP Id say their relationship was definitely sibling + adopted sibling. At least in the TV show, Kamui saved Kotori when they were younger after both had climbed into a tree. I didnt care for the ending of that anime though, felt like the creators realized they wrote themselves into a corner and took the crap way out. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Grimpak Gallente Clubs and Diamonds	Posted - 2009.05.02 20:12:00 - [25] Originally by: Jacob Mei Id say their relationship was definitely sibling + adopted sibling. At least in the TV show, Kamui saved Kotori when they were younger after both had climbed into a tree. I didnt care for the ending of that anime though, felt like the creators realized they wrote themselves into a corner and took the crap way out. well, both the movie and the series had a diferent ending. in one, Fuma dies, plus everyone else except Kamui, and in the other Kamui dies, plus everyone, except Kamui. it is also interesting to see that there is some romantic interest from this soldier guy that belongs to the Dragons of Earth and a schoolgirl that belongs to the Dragons of Heaven. somewhat of a 24-year guy and a 16-year girl falling in love (or was she younger and/or him older?) --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Karma Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2009.05.02 21:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Intense Thinker goosh goosh? NO
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.05.03 00:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Jacob Mei I didnt care for the ending of that anime though, felt like the creators realized they wrote themselves into a corner and took the crap way out. Yeah, I remember being very underwhelmed by the ending. Seemed like such a cop-out. My girlfriend liked it though, so I guess I'm missing something. __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Gin G Halls Of Valhalla	Posted - 2009.05.03 01:22:00 - [28] you should look much into it anime is crap anyway its prolly just your brain longing for something more like a good comady
Thorliaron Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.05.03 02:27:00 - [29] Originally by: Nuala Reece Originally by: BlackDragonShadow I enjoy watching anime but it seems like a lot of anime has homosexual undertones to it. Not that I have a problem with homosexuality I just find that like a lot of anime has this subtext in it. Am I just crazy? It's a bit a a broad generalization - lots of anime deals with relationships and some of those may be or imply same sex attraction; lots of anime doesn't have this at all though. You could ask the same question about Hollywood movies - have you seen Top Gun, for instance? How dare you suggest Top Gun is homosexual!
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.05.03 02:35:00 - [30] That volleyball scene is totally manly.
Florio Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.05.03 05:33:00 - [31] what is it with the japanese and schoolgirls? how do they get away with it?
Plumpy McPudding	Posted - 2009.05.03 05:38:00 - [32] Originally by: TraininVain That volleyball scene is totally manly. Playing with them boys! __________________________ Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream.
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.05.03 05:56:00 - [33] I've lived in Japan for about 4 years and form what I've seen Japan is both very gay and not gay at all. Actual homosexuals are subjected to ridicule, scorn, hatred and sometimes sexual assault. It is generally not okay to be openly gay in Japan and many gays leave Japan for Western countries. Japan is not a politically correct country. People are fairly open about hating races, religions and gays. There are even magazines in convenience stores that cater to a variety of hatreds. In fact they still do black face routines and mocking gay comedy on TV. (check out the comic Lazer Ramon)I've had lots of conversations with people of all ages who say they hate blacks, Chinese, Koreans, gay and Brits. I have to say that I was pretty surprised at the Japanese reaction to that big earthquake China had a while back. "So what if a million Chinese die?" That being said the things we may consider gay traits are fairly normal here. I often see boys on trains with hair clips and pink hello kitty slippers primping their hair in pocket mirrors or putting their heads in their guy friends laps. The fashion is definitely metro sexual. They may look like the most flamboyant homosexuals from San Fransisco but they are actually hetero. Same sex touching is also not an issue. As a foreigner I always have to be on my guard around Japanese men who may want to know the size of my endowment and will just try and grab. When Japanese men have a few drinks it gets even worse. They think nothing of stripping naked or flashing a room. And they may even perform public sexual acts on each other as a joke... this is when I pay my check and leave. Women are similar in that they think nothing of just grabbing each others breasts or butts, but it tends not to get as out of hand as the men. When you read a Manga or watch an anime please remember it's just fiction and almost never represents the real Japan.
Plumpy McPudding	Posted - 2009.05.03 06:02:00 - [34] Originally by: Mr Reeth Truth or fiction: You can still find schoolgirl underwear dispensers in the shady areas of Japan. __________________________ Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream.
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.05.03 06:04:00 - [35] Originally by: Florio what is it with the japanese and schoolgirls? how do they get away with it? Just so you know, the only reason child pron and prostitution is illegal in Japan is because of western pressure. I believe a ban on paying a minor for sex was passed in Tokyo only 5 years ago. Taking children from nearby poor countries for use as sex slaves was also only recently banned, again due to western pressure. And while these things are now illegal the laws are not enforced. I read an article in Japan times a few months ago that of the 60 or so child pron websites the govenment has found only 6 were shut down. BTW... you can still go into any video rental place and get a DVD of a 5 year old playing in her bikini and eating a Popsicle.
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.05.03 06:07:00 - [36] Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Originally by: Mr Reeth Truth or fiction: You can still find schoolgirl underwear dispensers in the shady areas of Japan. True Many have been removed recently due to tourist complaints... so you have to know where to look. And most are not actually school girls panties but were worn by Yakuza prostitutes. I wouldn't touch those things on a bet.
Dong Ninja	Posted - 2009.05.03 06:12:00 - [37] Edited by: Dong Ninja on 03/05/2009 06:13:58 But have you seen the supposed Godzilla sighting off of Okinawa? I hear he shoots laser beams during New Years. And while I like the Japanese, they are some of the most arrogant race of people you will meet. Not everyone's like that, but the feeling I get from them is the only reason they respect us is because we beat them in WWII. Maybe my perspective is skewed a bit, but they are quite xenophobic when it comes to politics and business. Originally by: Xen Gin Indeed, upgrading an MS OS is like taking a **** into a cake mixture, then complaining that it doesn't taste good when it's all done.
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.05.03 06:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Dong Ninja And while I like the Japanese, they are some of the most arrogant race of people you will meet. Not everyone's like that, but the feeling I get from them is the only reason they respect us is because we beat them in WWII. Maybe my perspective is skewed a bit, but they are quite xenophobic when it comes to politics and business. 100% correct. Actual conversation that I witnessed. Japanese Man) Are you from America? Spanish Man) No, I'm from Spain. Japanese Man) disappointed look Oh. 10 min later Japanese Man) Are you from America? Spanish Man) No, I'm still from Spain. Japanese Man) disappointed look Oh.
Karth Mentis	Posted - 2009.05.03 15:59:00 - [39] I heard Japanese girls like seeing gay men manga
rValdez5987 Amarr Imperial Guard.	Posted - 2009.05.04 04:50:00 - [40] Originally by: BlackDragonShadow I enjoy watching anime but it seems like a lot of anime has homosexual undertones to it. Not that I have a problem with homosexuality I just find that like a lot of anime has this subtext in it. Am I just crazy? Things that the west considers "gay" are a bit more normal and commonplace in the east. I don't really have the time to lay out examples but that's the case. The lines are drawn differently.

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