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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.09.02 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 02/09/2004 12:39:38
Actually i have not an intie and neither an assault frigate, but i'm interested to buy one. The only thing deserve me to spend 20-30M for a frigate is a possibility to insurre those ships or not.
Anyone knows if intie insurrance has been fixed, or if assault frigate insurrance are ballanced to actual cost of those ships?
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.09.02 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 02/09/2004 12:39:38
Actually i have not an intie and neither an assault frigate, but i'm interested to buy one. The only thing deserve me to spend 20-30M for a frigate is a possibility to insurre those ships or not.
Anyone knows if intie insurrance has been fixed, or if assault frigate insurrance are ballanced to actual cost of those ships?
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.09.02 12:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 02/09/2004 12:39:38
Actually i have not an intie and neither an assault frigate, but i'm interested to buy one. The only thing deserve me to spend 20-30M for a frigate is a possibility to insurre those ships or not.
Anyone knows if intie insurrance has been fixed, or if assault frigate insurrance are ballanced to actual cost of those ships?
Heh? Insurance isnt there to cover market cost of a product (never been the case, heck at the start of the game cruisers where alot more expensive then insurance payout (not mention the short insurance time etc.)), but it's based on production cost. So it isnt "bugged" to begin with, if you cant afford it then well sucks, but use tech1 ships.
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.09.02 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 02/09/2004 12:39:38
Actually i have not an intie and neither an assault frigate, but i'm interested to buy one. The only thing deserve me to spend 20-30M for a frigate is a possibility to insurre those ships or not.
Anyone knows if intie insurrance has been fixed, or if assault frigate insurrance are ballanced to actual cost of those ships?
Heh? Insurance isnt there to cover market cost of a product (never been the case, heck at the start of the game cruisers where alot more expensive then insurance payout (not mention the short insurance time etc.)), but it's based on production cost. So it isnt "bugged" to begin with, if you cant afford it then well sucks, but use tech1 ships.
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.09.02 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 02/09/2004 13:27:30
First of all i please u to calm down. There's no any reason to feel so angry and rude.
As i wrote above i dont have and intie, but ive heard that insurrance of a crow is the same of an tech 1 ship, so u pay 15M and get insurrance as a 200k frigate, but is a nonsense because a crow cost not same price as a kestrell. Many guys asked to fix that and i only asked if it's been done or not.
BTW: i can buy and loose many on them cos i'm not newbie, but i like not idea to have a ship not insurred, can u explain me where is my fault?
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.09.02 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 02/09/2004 13:27:30
First of all i please u to calm down. There's no any reason to feel so angry and rude.
As i wrote above i dont have and intie, but ive heard that insurrance of a crow is the same of an tech 1 ship, so u pay 15M and get insurrance as a 200k frigate, but is a nonsense because a crow cost not same price as a kestrell. Many guys asked to fix that and i only asked if it's been done or not.
BTW: i can buy and loose many on them cos i'm not newbie, but i like not idea to have a ship not insurred, can u explain me where is my fault?
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2004.09.02 13:33:00 -
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once the price of interceptos go down, insurance will look like its working perfectly. Atm theres a high demand and not much supply. When that changes the insurance shuold be better 
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2004.09.02 13:33:00 -
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once the price of interceptos go down, insurance will look like its working perfectly. Atm theres a high demand and not much supply. When that changes the insurance shuold be better
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.09.02 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: meowcat on 02/09/2004 13:55:26
intie payouts are about 2m, insurance cost is about 1m and cost of ship anywhere between 8m and 18m
to be honest, not really worth insuring
edit: and dont pay any attention to the angry trolls :-) |
meowcat
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Posted - 2004.09.02 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: meowcat on 02/09/2004 13:55:26
intie payouts are about 2m, insurance cost is about 1m and cost of ship anywhere between 8m and 18m
to be honest, not really worth insuring
edit: and dont pay any attention to the angry trolls :-) |
Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.09.02 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: meowcat
Edited by: meowcat on 02/09/2004 13:55:26
intie payouts are about 2m, insurance cost is about 1m and cost of ship anywhere between 8m and 18m
to be honest, not really worth insuring
edit: and dont pay any attention to the angry trolls :-)
Tnx a lot for your reply, unfortunatly it's a bad info.
I will not spend 20M for an assault frigate that's is not worth to insure.
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.09.02 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: meowcat
Edited by: meowcat on 02/09/2004 13:55:26
intie payouts are about 2m, insurance cost is about 1m and cost of ship anywhere between 8m and 18m
to be honest, not really worth insuring
edit: and dont pay any attention to the angry trolls :-)
Tnx a lot for your reply, unfortunatly it's a bad info.
I will not spend 20M for an assault frigate that's is not worth to insure.
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Niaski Zalani
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Posted - 2004.09.02 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 02/09/2004 13:27:30
...so u pay 15M and get insurrance as a 200k frigate, but is a nonsense because a crow cost not same price as a kestrell...
Are you saying you pay 15Mil for insurance? If you are saying that, i gotta tell ya thats not how it works...I'm pretty sure its like 600k or 700k for a 2.5mil payout for the crow at least.
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Niaski Zalani
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Posted - 2004.09.02 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 02/09/2004 13:27:30
...so u pay 15M and get insurrance as a 200k frigate, but is a nonsense because a crow cost not same price as a kestrell...
Are you saying you pay 15Mil for insurance? If you are saying that, i gotta tell ya thats not how it works...I'm pretty sure its like 600k or 700k for a 2.5mil payout for the crow at least.
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Bhal'rog
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Posted - 2004.09.02 14:48:00 -
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When Interceptors first came out the insurance was 600K with and 2.5 mil payout.
It then went to 80K with a 280K payout. (all numbers approximate)
The funny thing is, for a short time, if you paid 600K the payout was 280K. <--bug
I haven't check what the numbers are now but the cost of the Elite Frigs are demand driven. If CCP increases the insurance payout above the production cost it would become exploitable.
Is insurance fixed? If it pays out 2.5 mil then I would say yes. If insurance is still paying out around 300K then no it is not. Insurance will never cover a 20 million purchase price and its not a bugged, nerfed, borked, whatever. It is the way it is suppose to be.
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Bhal'rog
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Posted - 2004.09.02 14:48:00 -
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When Interceptors first came out the insurance was 600K with and 2.5 mil payout.
It then went to 80K with a 280K payout. (all numbers approximate)
The funny thing is, for a short time, if you paid 600K the payout was 280K. <--bug
I haven't check what the numbers are now but the cost of the Elite Frigs are demand driven. If CCP increases the insurance payout above the production cost it would become exploitable.
Is insurance fixed? If it pays out 2.5 mil then I would say yes. If insurance is still paying out around 300K then no it is not. Insurance will never cover a 20 million purchase price and its not a bugged, nerfed, borked, whatever. It is the way it is suppose to be.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.09.02 14:52:00 -
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I paid 10mil for my crow and it insures for 2mil, not that im bothered 10mil nothing.
Not lost it yet and had it a while, you just need to treat her with love 
i'd recomend anyone getting one despite the high price tag since they can pay for themselves easy (not so easy since last patch) doing lvl 3 missions.
The Assault frigates im not going to bother with since there too slow to outrun missiles, turrets and are basicaly un insurable cruisers in terms of strength..
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.09.02 14:52:00 -
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I paid 10mil for my crow and it insures for 2mil, not that im bothered 10mil nothing.
Not lost it yet and had it a while, you just need to treat her with love
i'd recomend anyone getting one despite the high price tag since they can pay for themselves easy (not so easy since last patch) doing lvl 3 missions.
The Assault frigates im not going to bother with since there too slow to outrun missiles, turrets and are basicaly un insurable cruisers in terms of strength..
Death to the Galante |
Kinky
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Posted - 2004.09.02 15:17:00 -
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Shame u dont try and pvp with it, youll see how long it lasts then...
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Kinky
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Posted - 2004.09.02 15:17:00 -
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Shame u dont try and pvp with it, youll see how long it lasts then...
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.09.02 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kinky
Shame u dont try and pvp with it, youll see how long it lasts then...
Thats whay my Ravens for 
Death to the Galante |
Jim Steele
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Posted - 2004.09.02 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kinky
Shame u dont try and pvp with it, youll see how long it lasts then...
Thats whay my Ravens for
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Issle
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Posted - 2004.09.02 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 02/09/2004 12:39:38
Actually i have not an intie and neither an assault frigate, but i'm interested to buy one. The only thing deserve me to spend 20-30M for a frigate is a possibility to insurre those ships or not.
I fly both Gallente and Amarr models, insurance costs/payouts almost identical on them so far. There was a bug for a while that did not factor in T2 component values, so it was like regular frigate insurance, but it has been corrected (again). Hopefully it was not broken by the latest patch.
Costs to insure, approximately 680k isk. Payoff in the 2.25mil isk range. I managed to blow up *two* Malediction interceptors in under 2 hours this week.. so I assure you, the payoff is working on them.. but yeah, it was a costly loss. I have enough components around that I can build another one if necessary - which I will, because market prices are absurdly high.
Shiva, though not right away, will change this in a positive manner. T2, while not "common", will become more available as our societies and technology marches forward, getting everyone primed and ready.. then they'll drop T3 parts on us and everyone will whine again.
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Issle
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Posted - 2004.09.02 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 02/09/2004 12:39:38
Actually i have not an intie and neither an assault frigate, but i'm interested to buy one. The only thing deserve me to spend 20-30M for a frigate is a possibility to insurre those ships or not.
I fly both Gallente and Amarr models, insurance costs/payouts almost identical on them so far. There was a bug for a while that did not factor in T2 component values, so it was like regular frigate insurance, but it has been corrected (again). Hopefully it was not broken by the latest patch.
Costs to insure, approximately 680k isk. Payoff in the 2.25mil isk range. I managed to blow up *two* Malediction interceptors in under 2 hours this week.. so I assure you, the payoff is working on them.. but yeah, it was a costly loss. I have enough components around that I can build another one if necessary - which I will, because market prices are absurdly high.
Shiva, though not right away, will change this in a positive manner. T2, while not "common", will become more available as our societies and technology marches forward, getting everyone primed and ready.. then they'll drop T3 parts on us and everyone will whine again.
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CiderGimp
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Posted - 2004.09.02 16:05:00 -
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Inty's are overpowered for what they are supposed to be. The cost of a loss should be about the same as a BS loss ie 30 mil. |
CiderGimp
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Posted - 2004.09.02 16:05:00 -
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Inty's are overpowered for what they are supposed to be. The cost of a loss should be about the same as a BS loss ie 30 mil. |
Xtro 2
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Posted - 2004.09.02 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: CiderGimp
Inty's are overpowered for what they are supposed to be. The cost of a loss should be about the same as a BS loss ie 30 mil.
Ill assume you mean overpowered vs a bs, try ceptor vs ceptor, and you'll see their not overpowered 1 bit, they explode fast just like standard frigates do.
Prices need to fall, but I doubt they will as long as were willing to pay the massive price they currently sell for.
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2004.09.02 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: CiderGimp
Inty's are overpowered for what they are supposed to be. The cost of a loss should be about the same as a BS loss ie 30 mil.
Ill assume you mean overpowered vs a bs, try ceptor vs ceptor, and you'll see their not overpowered 1 bit, they explode fast just like standard frigates do.
Prices need to fall, but I doubt they will as long as were willing to pay the massive price they currently sell for.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.09.02 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Bhal'rog
The funny thing is, for a short time, if you paid 600K the payout was 280K. <--bug
I got one of em .. 
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.09.02 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Bhal'rog
The funny thing is, for a short time, if you paid 600K the payout was 280K. <--bug
I got one of em ..
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