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Arciadian Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:37:00 - [1] I am very deeply saddened by what has taken place this past 2 weeks. I have been working at a computer store for the past year or so. I have since purchased the computer store as of last Thanksgiving. The one employee I kept was fantastic at what he did. Very customer oriented and did his job without question. I did find out that he had played EVE for around 2 years before I meet him. We enjoyed talking about it together. His corp. at one time belonged to our alliance but left when we did not have the same goals as they did. I have grown to trust this guy with keys to my store and all the passwords to anything and everything he needed. I was close to considering him a true friend. His corp. has bought things from us in the past through him and me dealing even though our 2 alliances are set to negative. I normally do not log in at work just because I do not have the time to enjoy the game or get involved with it. I would say it had been nearly 4 months since I logged in at work until last week. My employee asked me to sell him 10 Capital Construction Parts on the 20th of this month. He had to patch my machine to get it to the correct version. When I finally sat down to get online, he had already opened the client and was waiting on me to type the password in. I did not think anything about it at the time. I contracted him the parts and logged off. Last week was really busy for me as I work a full time Night shift job at a pet food plant and also repair computers at my store in the evenings. I also had my 2 sons playing baseball later in the evenings. I did not log in to know anything had happened until I received a phone call Friday night saying my account had been hacked. I logged on instantly to find everything gone in the corp. hangers. I was told that the total value was somewhere between 50 billion and 100 billion. We really have no clue as it was several different stations with mass production projects. I confirmed to my CEO that I changed my passwords and that I was the real owner. He reestablished my roles and I went to work investigating who, what, when, and where. While I was on the computer I received a phone call from my employee telling me that his account had been hacked too. He said all of his Isk had been taken. My account was basically unaffected so I thought it could not have been a personal attack on me and that the person doing it really did not want to hurt my accounts. I had a weird feeling at that moment and discussed it with my wife. Saturday morning I went to my computer store. My employee came in a short time later. He had found a keylogger on my machine and his machine and had already removed them the night before. He had also uninstalled EVE from his machine and deleted the installation folder. I still had a suspicion about this and was not sure how to prove it. Saturday night and most of the day Sunday I investigated his computer and found the deleted files using a recovery program. I found logs were his corpmates were talking him into the whole thing and even trying to give him the tools to get my password. Monday morning I called him and asked him to come on into work. When he got there I asked him to read the logs. He did not even pretend at that point. He was nearly to tears when he asked what to do next. I told him I just wanted my stuff back and that I also would need the key back to the store. He quickly tried to log in and contract it all over to me but CCP had already traced the items and banned his accounts. I was assured that it all was on one character and nothing was missing. All the Isk and items were there. I had been sending CCP copies of the logs that I had found during the whole process. I hope this helped catch him and get him banned. He was very sorry for what he. He said he would never have touched anything of mine, just the corps property. I am hoping CCP returns everything soon so the corp. can move past this. I am wanting to move on after tto move on after this myself. ICT Freighter production Program!
Arciadian Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:38:00 - [2] This has really been a massive blow to me and my family. CCP returned all of our items and most of the Isk that was taken a few days later. I also offered to keep my employee on but without any access to anything except being able to repair computers. It will take some time for him to be able to build my trust back and probably never have my complete trust. I just hope that he learns a good life lesson from this and moves on with his life. He is a very intelligent and caring person and it would be a shame for something in a game to mark him for life. I am sorry for all of the trouble cause to the corp. and to everyone that has been working so hard to get our great corp. to the shape it is in now. As a part of this corp. for nearly my entire existence in the game, I have tried hard to make sure this would have never happened. Nobody has even had my password except my wife. I hope this does not affect the trust you have in me. Offenders as listed in the logs I retrieved: Psycs00 --- Employee Gerrin Deveroux ---- Offered the employee the software to accomplish the deed SarcasticDwarf ---- Claims to not know anything but my logs show othewise Charater that was used without my knowledge: Arciadian Sorry for the long read ICT Freighter production Program!
Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:39:00 - [3] The gloss that wall of text's cringers put on wall of text's orations unfortunately does little to cast a gimlet eye on its histrionics. As I have indicated, I have a dream that my children will be able to live in a world filled with open spaces and beautiful wildernessùnot in a dark, vile world run by stinking, foolhardy fault-finders. Wall of text, you are welcome to get off my back this time and stay off. While criticizing its opponents for enforcing an appalling orthodoxy, wall of text itself is trying to enforce a particular orthodoxyùthe orthodoxy of bleeding-heart autism. So far, this letter has merely identified the ways in which we must suggest the kind of politics and policies that are needed to restore good sense to this important debate if we are to bring meaning, direction, and purpose into our lives. Now, let me shift gears and start telling you about how we can no longer afford to do nothing about its mean-spirited exegeses. Instead, we must strike while the iron is hot and celebrate knowledge and truth for the sake of knowledge and truth. But this is something to be filed away for future letters. At present, I wish to focus on only one thing: the fact that what I find frightening is that some academics actually believe wall of text's line that fetishism is absolutely essential to the well-being of society. In this case, "academics" refers to a stratum of the residual intelligentsia surviving the recession of its demotic base, not to those seekers of truth who understand that wall of text never tires of trying to extinguish fires with gasoline. It presumably hopes that the magic formula will work some day. In the meantime, it seems to have resolved to learn nothing from experience, which tells us that I have to laugh when it says that honor counts for nothing. Where in the world did it get that idea? Not only does that idea contain absolutely no substance whatsoever but it doesn't use words for communication or for exchanging information. It uses them to disarm, to hypnotize, to mislead, and to deceive. That reminds me: Wall of text doesn't want to acknowledge that it has a long, plagiarism-infested history of attempts to carve out space in the mainstream for contemptible, petulant politics. In fact, wall of text would rather block all discussion on the subject. I suppose that's because it says that its club is looking out for our interests. That's its unvarying story, and it's a lie: an extremely amoral and scabrous lie. Unfortunately, it's a lie that is accepted unquestioningly, uncritically, by wall of text's satraps. Well, wall of text, we're all getting a little tired of you and your kind messing up the world and then refusing to accept responsibility for what you've done. We're fed up. And the day is coming when you'll be held accountable for your demented perceptions. Wall of text claims that our unalienable rights are merely privileges that it can dole out or retract. I would say that that claim is 70% folderol, 20% twaddle, and 10% another poxy attempt to undermine the intellectual purpose of higher education. There's a lot of daylight between wall of text's views and mine. It believes that people prefer "cultural integrity" and "multicultural sensitivity" to health, food, safety, and the opportunity to choose their own course through life while I aver that it had promised us liberty, equality, and fraternity. Instead, wall of text gave us nihilism, interdenominationalism, and corporatism. I suppose we should have seen that coming, especially since presumptuous buggers, almost by definition, weaken our mental and moral fiber. Let me try to explain what I mean by that in a single sentence: Wall of text's favorite buzzword these days is "crisis". It likes to tell us that we have a crisis on our hands. It then argues that the only reasonable approach to combat this crisis is for it to progressively narrow the sphere of human freedom. In my opinion, the real crisis is the dearth of people who understand
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:41:00 - [4] Dang. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:51:00 - [5] Despite the wall of text, I actually read that. Weird you posted that you had received the assets/isk 1 minute after the initial post that stated you were waiting for CCP to return them. And yeah, it sucks, but if you actually want people to care, make this thing readable and cut to the chase. There was no need for over half of what you posted, and this thread doesn't even serve the 'shaming' purpose that's usually found in situations like that, as those guys you mentioned are most likely permanently banned - unless of course, you want a bed rep for their corp/alliance.
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:54:00 - [6] regardless of the proof, it is an elaborate scheme by your wife to dissuade you from playing eve.
Amy Mouse Intersteller Manufacturing	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:54:00 - [7] wow.... i feel sorry for you.... Someone who would risk their real job for fake money..... one of the most idiotic nutcases ive ever heard of... i love cookies
Arciadian Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:56:00 - [8] Sorry for the bad format. The forum only allows 4000 characters in a post and I hit the limit. I know for a fact that 2 of the 3 chars listed were not banned. I also made adjustments to this story as they happened. This is why I had it listed that the Items had been returned in the later post. ICT Freighter production Program!
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:02:00 - [9] To be honest, I'm surprised you let him stick around. It would have been a more effective lesson had you 1) fired him and 2) filed a police report for the hacking. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
Kadavreski Caldari State Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:02:00 - [10] You're a very nice guy for the leeway you've given him, so take solace in that. Shame that eve is practically a sociopath farm, I almost feel sorry for the guy. He was probably a little damaged in some way, even moreso as he pretty much said 'It was your corp I robbed, not you!' inb4 tons of tl;dr posts, regardless

Arciadian Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:03:00 - [11] He has been fired but I did not fill a charges with the police. He had been a terrific employee until them so I felt I could at least not cause him to have a felony record. ICT Freighter production Program!
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:05:00 - [12] Yeah, thinking about it now, assuming the employee was the guy that planted the keylogger, there's no reason to ban the other two. I mean, if I went in-game and told someone how to steal their friend's account with a keylogger, then provided said software out of the game, I would be ****ed off if I was banned, as there wouldn't be any real proof of my involvement.
Kadavreski Caldari State Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Arciadian He has been fired but I did not fill a charges with the police. He had been a terrific employee until them so I felt I could at least not cause him to have a felony record. I'd kill for a boss like you. Seriously.
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:09:00 - [14] Edited by: Benedikt Miloslav on 05/05/2009 02:09:29 Originally by: Kadavreski Originally by: Arciadian He has been fired but I did not fill a charges with the police. He had been a terrific employee until them so I felt I could at least not cause him to have a felony record. I'd kill for a boss like you. Seriously. And I'd kill an employee like his. Seriously.
Hennry Fromer Gallente The Radiated Space Gerbils	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Arciadian He has been fired but I did not fill a charges with the police. He had been a terrific employee until them so I felt I could at least not cause him to have a felony record. He said he didn't want to ruin this former friend and employees life, which that would definitely affect his life from that point forward. I applaud the restraint shown and really hope that the person involved learns a life lesson. I should also be noted that those that help him him to plan/ enabled /execute the plan should take a good look at what could have been. I guess the question that is yet to be answered is 'was impressing your internet friends and betraying a real life friend/boss worth it?' and 'Do you realize how darn lucky you are that you boss did not pursue every avenue he could and prosecute?'
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:14:00 - [16] im looking for a part-time job irl... do you live in melbourne by any chance?
Bret Caliaro Seven Dwarves Prospecting	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:15:00 - [17] It's strange what this game does to people, when I started playing this game years ago I played with 2 other RL friends we worked for months to get the resources to build a BS (this was when they were probably as rare as tech3 cruisers are now). We even got a corp of around a dozen to 2 dozen people all working together to build this BS, my RL friend was to get the first one a dominix which dozens of us spent months gathering the resources to build (We were like everyone else in the game new to this business with no experience). He then promply said to us in game after undocking and all of us being exstatic at seeing the fruits of our labour, "Thanks guys for the battleship now I'm off." and left with this ship and emptied the corp wallet, me and my other RL friend were gobsmacked I could expect this from a stranger but not from a friend. We knew that it was all internet spaceships but we had put alot of time into this and when we talked to him IRL he just said "It's only a game." which was true but if he cares so little for something so trivial how can we trust him with something important. So he slowly feel out of our group of friends and became a loner. Like I said it's funny what internet space ships do to people. _________________________________________________ I'm a such a lazy Bast***, so I play smart not hard.
Cyrdax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Bret Caliaro but if he cares so little for something so trivial how can we trust him with something important he stole your imaginary internet spaceship so now you're not friends anymore? lol --- tv where the horn go, boy can you top that?
Bret Caliaro Seven Dwarves Prospecting	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:20:00 - [19] Edited by: Bret Caliaro on 05/05/2009 02:21:12 lol yea, I suppose I got carried away in the moment of the post and wanted to contribute. but he was also an ass in RL. :P _________________________________________________ I'm a such a lazy Bast***, so I play smart not hard.
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Bret Caliaro It's strange what this game does to people, when I started playing this game years ago I played with 2 other RL friends we worked for months to get the resources to build a BS (this was when they were probably as rare as tech3 cruisers are now). We even got a corp of around a dozen to 2 dozen people all working together to build this BS, my RL friend was to get the first one a dominix which dozens of us spent months gathering the resources to build (We were like everyone else in the game new to this business with no experience). He then promply said to us in game after undocking and all of us being exstatic at seeing the fruits of our labour, "Thanks guys for the battleship now I'm off." and left with this ship and emptied the corp wallet, me and my other RL friend were gobsmacked I could expect this from a stranger but not from a friend. We knew that it was all internet spaceships but we had put alot of time into this and when we talked to him IRL he just said "It's only a game." which was true but if he cares so little for something so trivial how can we trust him with something important. So he slowly feel out of our group of friends and became a loner. Like I said it's funny what internet space ships do to people. i LOLed. my two housemates i live with (shared accom.) both play eve aswell... myself and one of them are the "pirate" types, the other is a complete carebear. its funny comparing the different reactions to different situations like ship losses or war deccing etc. trust me, if someone seems ****ed off ingame they probobly raging IRL ^_^

Arciadian Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:23:00 - [21] I think what he meant was, He betrayed his trust. ICT Freighter production Program!
SETH KAIN Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:54:00 - [22] regardless of the proof, it is an elaborate scheme by your wife to dissuade you from playing eve. This....lol
Kadavreski Caldari State Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Cyrdax Originally by: Bret Caliaro but if he cares so little for something so trivial how can we trust him with something important he stole your imaginary internet spaceship so now you're not friends anymore? lol Doesn't really excuse the guy being a knob, though
Hennry Fromer Gallente The Radiated Space Gerbils	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Cyrdax Originally by: Bret Caliaro but if he cares so little for something so trivial how can we trust him with something important he stole your imaginary internet spaceship so now you're not friends anymore? lol Kind of like he committed several felonies using your equipment and you were the victim as well as the boss of the person perpetrating them. He didn't fire him nor did he persue the leagal avaenues he could have - if he knows it or not he was a friend.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.05 03:02:00 - [25] I never let anyone else touch the inner workings of my PC, guess I won't have this problem Pomp FTW!!!
Colonel Cornbread Minmatar 37th Capital Fleet Screaming Eagles Gang Bang Theory	Posted - 2009.05.05 03:07:00 - [26] Edited by: Colonel Cornbread on 05/05/2009 03:06:54 If the employee was caring and intelligent, why did he not know that it was very easy for a hacker to get caught and plus, even easier for CCP to notice if a hacking incident is taking place and know where the items/ISK are going?... Like jeez, the employee may be caring, but he most certainly is not intelligent. ~~~ Usual Gamer Alias: NakieoN ~~~
hackzor nstuff	Posted - 2009.05.05 03:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Cyrdax Originally by: Bret Caliaro but if he cares so little for something so trivial how can we trust him with something important he stole your imaginary internet spaceship so now you're not friends anymore? lol you miss the point entirely he was a rl friend who used his rl friends then kicked them aside for some 1's and 0's some friend he turned out to be
Kapradian Amarr Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.05 04:05:00 - [28] RL > EvE Its an interesting point that EvE changes people... i think this is true, in RL i am realy nice and would never say a bad thing about anybody and never ever rip some1 off. After playing EvE and getting into a lot of pirating i find myself taking amusment from others losses and jumping at the oportunity to smack talk some1. Lets hope EvE does not spread into my RL to much. Congrats of having a heart mate :)
Colonel Cornbread Minmatar 37th Capital Fleet Screaming Eagles Gang Bang Theory	Posted - 2009.05.05 04:34:00 - [29] RL > 4chan Its an interesting point that 4chan changes people... i think this is true, in RL i am realy nice and would never say a bad thing about anybody and never ever rip some1 off. After lurking /b/ and getting into a lot of copypasta i find myself taking amusment from others losses and jumping at the oportunity to smack talk some1. Lets hope Anonymous does not spread into my RL to much. Congrats of having a heart mate :) ~~~ Usual Gamer Alias: NakieoN ~~~
Cyrdax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.05 04:47:00 - [30] Originally by: hackzor nstuff you miss the point entirely he was a rl friend who used his rl friends then kicked them aside for some 1's and 0's some friend he turned out to be which is worse, the friend who jacked your imaginary internet forehead fortress, or you, the friends who got their panties all in a bunch over some 1's and 0's? if it's such a small thing as a game why can't you take it in stride and be the bigger man? is it too much for your honor backbone to take? --- tv where the horn go, boy can you top that?



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