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Arciadian Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:37:00 - [1] I am very deeply saddened by what has taken place this past 2 weeks. I have been working at a computer store for the past year or so. I have since purchased the computer store as of last Thanksgiving. The one employee I kept was fantastic at what he did. Very customer oriented and did his job without question. I did find out that he had played EVE for around 2 years before I meet him. We enjoyed talking about it together. His corp. at one time belonged to our alliance but left when we did not have the same goals as they did. I have grown to trust this guy with keys to my store and all the passwords to anything and everything he needed. I was close to considering him a true friend. His corp. has bought things from us in the past through him and me dealing even though our 2 alliances are set to negative. I normally do not log in at work just because I do not have the time to enjoy the game or get involved with it. I would say it had been nearly 4 months since I logged in at work until last week. My employee asked me to sell him 10 Capital Construction Parts on the 20th of this month. He had to patch my machine to get it to the correct version. When I finally sat down to get online, he had already opened the client and was waiting on me to type the password in. I did not think anything about it at the time. I contracted him the parts and logged off. Last week was really busy for me as I work a full time Night shift job at a pet food plant and also repair computers at my store in the evenings. I also had my 2 sons playing baseball later in the evenings. I did not log in to know anything had happened until I received a phone call Friday night saying my account had been hacked. I logged on instantly to find everything gone in the corp. hangers. I was told that the total value was somewhere between 50 billion and 100 billion. We really have no clue as it was several different stations with mass production projects. I confirmed to my CEO that I changed my passwords and that I was the real owner. He reestablished my roles and I went to work investigating who, what, when, and where. While I was on the computer I received a phone call from my employee telling me that his account had been hacked too. He said all of his Isk had been taken. My account was basically unaffected so I thought it could not have been a personal attack on me and that the person doing it really did not want to hurt my accounts. I had a weird feeling at that moment and discussed it with my wife. Saturday morning I went to my computer store. My employee came in a short time later. He had found a keylogger on my machine and his machine and had already removed them the night before. He had also uninstalled EVE from his machine and deleted the installation folder. I still had a suspicion about this and was not sure how to prove it. Saturday night and most of the day Sunday I investigated his computer and found the deleted files using a recovery program. I found logs were his corpmates were talking him into the whole thing and even trying to give him the tools to get my password. Monday morning I called him and asked him to come on into work. When he got there I asked him to read the logs. He did not even pretend at that point. He was nearly to tears when he asked what to do next. I told him I just wanted my stuff back and that I also would need the key back to the store. He quickly tried to log in and contract it all over to me but CCP had already traced the items and banned his accounts. I was assured that it all was on one character and nothing was missing. All the Isk and items were there. I had been sending CCP copies of the logs that I had found during the whole process. I hope this helped catch him and get him banned. He was very sorry for what he. He said he would never have touched anything of mine, just the corps property. I am hoping CCP returns everything soon so the corp. can move past this. I am wanting to move on after tto move on after this myself. ICT Freighter production Program!
Arciadian Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:38:00 - [2] This has really been a massive blow to me and my family. CCP returned all of our items and most of the Isk that was taken a few days later. I also offered to keep my employee on but without any access to anything except being able to repair computers. It will take some time for him to be able to build my trust back and probably never have my complete trust. I just hope that he learns a good life lesson from this and moves on with his life. He is a very intelligent and caring person and it would be a shame for something in a game to mark him for life. I am sorry for all of the trouble cause to the corp. and to everyone that has been working so hard to get our great corp. to the shape it is in now. As a part of this corp. for nearly my entire existence in the game, I have tried hard to make sure this would have never happened. Nobody has even had my password except my wife. I hope this does not affect the trust you have in me. Offenders as listed in the logs I retrieved: Psycs00 --- Employee Gerrin Deveroux ---- Offered the employee the software to accomplish the deed SarcasticDwarf ---- Claims to not know anything but my logs show othewise Charater that was used without my knowledge: Arciadian Sorry for the long read ICT Freighter production Program!
Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:39:00 - [3] The gloss that wall of text's cringers put on wall of text's orations unfortunately does little to cast a gimlet eye on its histrionics. As I have indicated, I have a dream that my children will be able to live in a world filled with open spaces and beautiful wildernessùnot in a dark, vile world run by stinking, foolhardy fault-finders. Wall of text, you are welcome to get off my back this time and stay off. While criticizing its opponents for enforcing an appalling orthodoxy, wall of text itself is trying to enforce a particular orthodoxyùthe orthodoxy of bleeding-heart autism. So far, this letter has merely identified the ways in which we must suggest the kind of politics and policies that are needed to restore good sense to this important debate if we are to bring meaning, direction, and purpose into our lives. Now, let me shift gears and start telling you about how we can no longer afford to do nothing about its mean-spirited exegeses. Instead, we must strike while the iron is hot and celebrate knowledge and truth for the sake of knowledge and truth. But this is something to be filed away for future letters. At present, I wish to focus on only one thing: the fact that what I find frightening is that some academics actually believe wall of text's line that fetishism is absolutely essential to the well-being of society. In this case, "academics" refers to a stratum of the residual intelligentsia surviving the recession of its demotic base, not to those seekers of truth who understand that wall of text never tires of trying to extinguish fires with gasoline. It presumably hopes that the magic formula will work some day. In the meantime, it seems to have resolved to learn nothing from experience, which tells us that I have to laugh when it says that honor counts for nothing. Where in the world did it get that idea? Not only does that idea contain absolutely no substance whatsoever but it doesn't use words for communication or for exchanging information. It uses them to disarm, to hypnotize, to mislead, and to deceive. That reminds me: Wall of text doesn't want to acknowledge that it has a long, plagiarism-infested history of attempts to carve out space in the mainstream for contemptible, petulant politics. In fact, wall of text would rather block all discussion on the subject. I suppose that's because it says that its club is looking out for our interests. That's its unvarying story, and it's a lie: an extremely amoral and scabrous lie. Unfortunately, it's a lie that is accepted unquestioningly, uncritically, by wall of text's satraps. Well, wall of text, we're all getting a little tired of you and your kind messing up the world and then refusing to accept responsibility for what you've done. We're fed up. And the day is coming when you'll be held accountable for your demented perceptions. Wall of text claims that our unalienable rights are merely privileges that it can dole out or retract. I would say that that claim is 70% folderol, 20% twaddle, and 10% another poxy attempt to undermine the intellectual purpose of higher education. There's a lot of daylight between wall of text's views and mine. It believes that people prefer "cultural integrity" and "multicultural sensitivity" to health, food, safety, and the opportunity to choose their own course through life while I aver that it had promised us liberty, equality, and fraternity. Instead, wall of text gave us nihilism, interdenominationalism, and corporatism. I suppose we should have seen that coming, especially since presumptuous buggers, almost by definition, weaken our mental and moral fiber. Let me try to explain what I mean by that in a single sentence: Wall of text's favorite buzzword these days is "crisis". It likes to tell us that we have a crisis on our hands. It then argues that the only reasonable approach to combat this crisis is for it to progressively narrow the sphere of human freedom. In my opinion, the real crisis is the dearth of people who understand
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:41:00 - [4] Dang. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:51:00 - [5] Despite the wall of text, I actually read that. Weird you posted that you had received the assets/isk 1 minute after the initial post that stated you were waiting for CCP to return them. And yeah, it sucks, but if you actually want people to care, make this thing readable and cut to the chase. There was no need for over half of what you posted, and this thread doesn't even serve the 'shaming' purpose that's usually found in situations like that, as those guys you mentioned are most likely permanently banned - unless of course, you want a bed rep for their corp/alliance.
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:54:00 - [6] regardless of the proof, it is an elaborate scheme by your wife to dissuade you from playing eve.
Amy Mouse Intersteller Manufacturing	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:54:00 - [7] wow.... i feel sorry for you.... Someone who would risk their real job for fake money..... one of the most idiotic nutcases ive ever heard of... i love cookies
Arciadian Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:56:00 - [8] Sorry for the bad format. The forum only allows 4000 characters in a post and I hit the limit. I know for a fact that 2 of the 3 chars listed were not banned. I also made adjustments to this story as they happened. This is why I had it listed that the Items had been returned in the later post. ICT Freighter production Program!
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:02:00 - [9] To be honest, I'm surprised you let him stick around. It would have been a more effective lesson had you 1) fired him and 2) filed a police report for the hacking. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
Kadavreski Caldari State Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:02:00 - [10] You're a very nice guy for the leeway you've given him, so take solace in that. Shame that eve is practically a sociopath farm, I almost feel sorry for the guy. He was probably a little damaged in some way, even moreso as he pretty much said 'It was your corp I robbed, not you!' inb4 tons of tl;dr posts, regardless

Arciadian Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:03:00 - [11] He has been fired but I did not fill a charges with the police. He had been a terrific employee until them so I felt I could at least not cause him to have a felony record. ICT Freighter production Program!
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:05:00 - [12] Yeah, thinking about it now, assuming the employee was the guy that planted the keylogger, there's no reason to ban the other two. I mean, if I went in-game and told someone how to steal their friend's account with a keylogger, then provided said software out of the game, I would be ****ed off if I was banned, as there wouldn't be any real proof of my involvement.
Kadavreski Caldari State Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Arciadian He has been fired but I did not fill a charges with the police. He had been a terrific employee until them so I felt I could at least not cause him to have a felony record. I'd kill for a boss like you. Seriously.
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:09:00 - [14] Edited by: Benedikt Miloslav on 05/05/2009 02:09:29 Originally by: Kadavreski Originally by: Arciadian He has been fired but I did not fill a charges with the police. He had been a terrific employee until them so I felt I could at least not cause him to have a felony record. I'd kill for a boss like you. Seriously. And I'd kill an employee like his. Seriously.
Hennry Fromer Gallente The Radiated Space Gerbils	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Arciadian He has been fired but I did not fill a charges with the police. He had been a terrific employee until them so I felt I could at least not cause him to have a felony record. He said he didn't want to ruin this former friend and employees life, which that would definitely affect his life from that point forward. I applaud the restraint shown and really hope that the person involved learns a life lesson. I should also be noted that those that help him him to plan/ enabled /execute the plan should take a good look at what could have been. I guess the question that is yet to be answered is 'was impressing your internet friends and betraying a real life friend/boss worth it?' and 'Do you realize how darn lucky you are that you boss did not pursue every avenue he could and prosecute?'
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:14:00 - [16] im looking for a part-time job irl... do you live in melbourne by any chance?
Bret Caliaro Seven Dwarves Prospecting	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:15:00 - [17] It's strange what this game does to people, when I started playing this game years ago I played with 2 other RL friends we worked for months to get the resources to build a BS (this was when they were probably as rare as tech3 cruisers are now). We even got a corp of around a dozen to 2 dozen people all working together to build this BS, my RL friend was to get the first one a dominix which dozens of us spent months gathering the resources to build (We were like everyone else in the game new to this business with no experience). He then promply said to us in game after undocking and all of us being exstatic at seeing the fruits of our labour, "Thanks guys for the battleship now I'm off." and left with this ship and emptied the corp wallet, me and my other RL friend were gobsmacked I could expect this from a stranger but not from a friend. We knew that it was all internet spaceships but we had put alot of time into this and when we talked to him IRL he just said "It's only a game." which was true but if he cares so little for something so trivial how can we trust him with something important. So he slowly feel out of our group of friends and became a loner. Like I said it's funny what internet space ships do to people. _________________________________________________ I'm a such a lazy Bast***, so I play smart not hard.
Cyrdax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Bret Caliaro but if he cares so little for something so trivial how can we trust him with something important he stole your imaginary internet spaceship so now you're not friends anymore? lol --- tv where the horn go, boy can you top that?
Bret Caliaro Seven Dwarves Prospecting	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:20:00 - [19] Edited by: Bret Caliaro on 05/05/2009 02:21:12 lol yea, I suppose I got carried away in the moment of the post and wanted to contribute. but he was also an ass in RL. :P _________________________________________________ I'm a such a lazy Bast***, so I play smart not hard.
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Bret Caliaro It's strange what this game does to people, when I started playing this game years ago I played with 2 other RL friends we worked for months to get the resources to build a BS (this was when they were probably as rare as tech3 cruisers are now). We even got a corp of around a dozen to 2 dozen people all working together to build this BS, my RL friend was to get the first one a dominix which dozens of us spent months gathering the resources to build (We were like everyone else in the game new to this business with no experience). He then promply said to us in game after undocking and all of us being exstatic at seeing the fruits of our labour, "Thanks guys for the battleship now I'm off." and left with this ship and emptied the corp wallet, me and my other RL friend were gobsmacked I could expect this from a stranger but not from a friend. We knew that it was all internet spaceships but we had put alot of time into this and when we talked to him IRL he just said "It's only a game." which was true but if he cares so little for something so trivial how can we trust him with something important. So he slowly feel out of our group of friends and became a loner. Like I said it's funny what internet space ships do to people. i LOLed. my two housemates i live with (shared accom.) both play eve aswell... myself and one of them are the "pirate" types, the other is a complete carebear. its funny comparing the different reactions to different situations like ship losses or war deccing etc. trust me, if someone seems ****ed off ingame they probobly raging IRL ^_^

Arciadian Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:23:00 - [21] I think what he meant was, He betrayed his trust. ICT Freighter production Program!
SETH KAIN Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:54:00 - [22] regardless of the proof, it is an elaborate scheme by your wife to dissuade you from playing eve. This....lol
Kadavreski Caldari State Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Cyrdax Originally by: Bret Caliaro but if he cares so little for something so trivial how can we trust him with something important he stole your imaginary internet spaceship so now you're not friends anymore? lol Doesn't really excuse the guy being a knob, though
Hennry Fromer Gallente The Radiated Space Gerbils	Posted - 2009.05.05 02:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Cyrdax Originally by: Bret Caliaro but if he cares so little for something so trivial how can we trust him with something important he stole your imaginary internet spaceship so now you're not friends anymore? lol Kind of like he committed several felonies using your equipment and you were the victim as well as the boss of the person perpetrating them. He didn't fire him nor did he persue the leagal avaenues he could have - if he knows it or not he was a friend.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.05 03:02:00 - [25] I never let anyone else touch the inner workings of my PC, guess I won't have this problem Pomp FTW!!!
Colonel Cornbread Minmatar 37th Capital Fleet Screaming Eagles Gang Bang Theory	Posted - 2009.05.05 03:07:00 - [26] Edited by: Colonel Cornbread on 05/05/2009 03:06:54 If the employee was caring and intelligent, why did he not know that it was very easy for a hacker to get caught and plus, even easier for CCP to notice if a hacking incident is taking place and know where the items/ISK are going?... Like jeez, the employee may be caring, but he most certainly is not intelligent. ~~~ Usual Gamer Alias: NakieoN ~~~
hackzor nstuff	Posted - 2009.05.05 03:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Cyrdax Originally by: Bret Caliaro but if he cares so little for something so trivial how can we trust him with something important he stole your imaginary internet spaceship so now you're not friends anymore? lol you miss the point entirely he was a rl friend who used his rl friends then kicked them aside for some 1's and 0's some friend he turned out to be
Kapradian Amarr Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.05 04:05:00 - [28] RL > EvE Its an interesting point that EvE changes people... i think this is true, in RL i am realy nice and would never say a bad thing about anybody and never ever rip some1 off. After playing EvE and getting into a lot of pirating i find myself taking amusment from others losses and jumping at the oportunity to smack talk some1. Lets hope EvE does not spread into my RL to much. Congrats of having a heart mate :)
Colonel Cornbread Minmatar 37th Capital Fleet Screaming Eagles Gang Bang Theory	Posted - 2009.05.05 04:34:00 - [29] RL > 4chan Its an interesting point that 4chan changes people... i think this is true, in RL i am realy nice and would never say a bad thing about anybody and never ever rip some1 off. After lurking /b/ and getting into a lot of copypasta i find myself taking amusment from others losses and jumping at the oportunity to smack talk some1. Lets hope Anonymous does not spread into my RL to much. Congrats of having a heart mate :) ~~~ Usual Gamer Alias: NakieoN ~~~
Cyrdax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.05 04:47:00 - [30] Originally by: hackzor nstuff you miss the point entirely he was a rl friend who used his rl friends then kicked them aside for some 1's and 0's some friend he turned out to be which is worse, the friend who jacked your imaginary internet forehead fortress, or you, the friends who got their panties all in a bunch over some 1's and 0's? if it's such a small thing as a game why can't you take it in stride and be the bigger man? is it too much for your honor backbone to take? --- tv where the horn go, boy can you top that?

Kingnuts	Posted - 2009.05.05 04:51:00 - [31] Edited by: Kingnuts on 05/05/2009 04:51:19 Originally by: Cyrdax Originally by: hackzor nstuff crying some stuff if it's such a small thing as a game why can't you take it in stride and be the bigger man? is it too much for your honor backbone to take? Back what? Curse words are not allowed on the forums, sir.
Absalom Marathon The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.05.05 04:54:00 - [32] Originally by: Cyrdax Originally by: hackzor nstuff you miss the point entirely he was a rl friend who used his rl friends then kicked them aside for some 1's and 0's some friend he turned out to be if it's such a small thing as a game why can't you take it in stride and be the bigger man? is it too much for your honor backbone to take? It's not about if it's 1's and 0's, or if it's a car. The trust is broken. The 'friend' would have to work really hard to get my trust back after something like that.
Kingnuts	Posted - 2009.05.05 05:14:00 - [33] Edited by: Kingnuts on 05/05/2009 05:13:52 Originally by: Absalom Marathon Originally by: Cyrdax Originally by: hackzor nstuff stuff even more stuff It's not about if it's 1's and 0's, or if it's a car. The trust is broken. The 'friend' would have to work really hard to get my trust back after something like that. Then he wasn't your friend and you're a chump.
Hot Lotto Minmatar Eve Hot Lotto	Posted - 2009.05.05 05:41:00 - [34] Wow, that is one lucky employee that all you did was fire him. I would have probably turned him in. ___________________________________ EVE HOT LOTTO! Purchase your ticket today for a chance to win millions!
LittleBar	Posted - 2009.05.05 07:54:00 - [35] Real Life is made up of time, so is this crazy game. I find it really hopeful that so many people act like moral, civilized people despite the evolution by CCP of EVE into an unrealistic playpen for sociopathic behavior. What you spend a lot of time doing, does effect the way you think and your assumptions on how the world works. You can control those responses, but you are effected. I still play this game after so many years only because I found a corp that is honorable and creates. If the game mechanics didn't prevent us, the carebears which support the EVE economy would organize to exterminate in empire piracy just like societies did on the frontiers. Yet, I still play. I've been ganked, scammed, cheated, and also helped out and backed up. It was those last two behaviors that is the reason I still play all these accounts. While the game is only 1 and 0, the time is RL people, and despite people playing at being evil, I can't let down those who are not. So, I still play.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.05.05 08:21:00 - [36] Originally by: Cyrdax Originally by: hackzor nstuff you miss the point entirely he was a rl friend who used his rl friends then kicked them aside for some 1's and 0's some friend he turned out to be which is worse, the friend who jacked your imaginary internet forehead fortress, or you, the friends who got their panties all in a bunch over some 1's and 0's? if it's such a small thing as a game why can't you take it in stride and be the bigger man? is it too much for your honor backbone to take? EVE is a serious time investment. If some jerk in the same corp as me AND my IRL friend, who obviously knew the time commitment to making an internet spaceship, and who knows the even though it is "just a game" it is something that I find very enjoyable and which is an important part of my leisure time is willing to rip me off he is not a friend. Seriously, what sort of people do you associate with where ripping eachother off is something you "be a bigger man" about. My friends are the people that support me and make me feel good, they are not supposed to be the ones to **** me off and put me in "be the bigger man" situations constantly.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.05.05 08:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Jimer Lins To be honest, I'm surprised you let him stick around. It would have been a more effective lesson had you 1) fired him and 2) filed a police report for the hacking. This tbh. If he can steal virtual stuff like that imagine when he's talked into grabbing stuff from your store whatever. Secure 3rd party service

Ludi Tomina Gallente tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.05.05 08:48:00 - [38] I think you did the right thing not to press charges. No real damage was done, and that ex-employee will realize what he's done when he gets m0ron for boss at his next job. I mean, his (ex)boss plays EVE and you can talk about it during boring days at work!!! And he ruins it! St00pid! Anyway, 2 thumbs up for you m8, for being human! *********** WTB: RL
Future Mutant	Posted - 2009.05.05 10:37:00 - [39] You could have pressed charges on not only the employee but also the ppl who helped him- at the very least the one who sent him the software to do it. If i oversaw a banks operation and gave someone the information needed to rob it-if they did rob it i would also be guilty. It would be one thing if he screwed you over in game- eh then its "only a game" But when you use illegal rl tactics then it becomes more then a d move- he crossed the line If hes capable of doing this to impress friends on the internet- what do you think hes capable of doing in the future.. One more thing- your wife still has your password?? Thats a bad OP!! a very bad OP
ImRedYoureDead The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.05.05 11:14:00 - [40] He's just sorry he got caught, not sorry he stole from you.

omgdutch2005 Gallente Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2009.05.05 11:34:00 - [41] if he had done this, he had better used a better tool to erase ALL data, like DBAN - Darik's Boot And Nuke \| Hard Drive Disk Wipe ^^ we use it at my work to perma erase sensitive data, that are on the drives at the prison facility i work at. heck, it has FBI/CIA methods on the tool to make sure its gone ;-) so i guess he wasn't that smart :P, DBAN+wreck the disk :P lol [url=http://apeocorp.com/alliance/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39011] [/url]
Vaden Khale Amarr Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.05.05 11:50:00 - [42] Some people can't comprehend that this is a game, and that RL > Eve. Two of my friends also play Eve, one of them is a current roommate, another is a former roommate. We're all really tight. My current roommate, Inara Subaka, and I left the united a month ago. Our friend, who was still in the united, started getting **** from one of their directors, who even went so far as to tell him to no longer hang out with us IRL if he 'truly loved the united.' I think he also mentioned driving to our house and breaking our arms and legs. Fun times. People that can't get that this is a game, and risk RL for it, need to grow up and get over themselves. On that note, I prolly wouldn't have pressed charges on the employee, but I would have fired him. If he messed with a customer's comp though...police charges, here we come.
Aesheera Amarr The Voyage of the beagle	Posted - 2009.05.05 11:56:00 - [43] Originally by: ImRedYoureDead He's just sorry he got caught, not sorry he stole from you. Out of all replies read by me, this one is the simplest yet most true. If you never foud out, he would have never been 'close to tears'. He stole from you AND denied it the first time. If he truly WAS feeling bad for what he did, he would have come to you prior to you investigating the affair. Youre trying to be a good guy, no shame in that, but you let him slip too easy. Fire him, police charge him, and wish him good luck with w/e he will do with his life. These types of people should get it as hard as possible to actually be tought something. -- Project Damage. Running missions the improved way. Curious? Contact me.
Lola Fang Space Assassination Service	Posted - 2009.05.05 11:59:00 - [44] Originally by: Colonel Cornbread Edited by: Colonel Cornbread on 05/05/2009 03:06:54 If the employee was caring and intelligent, why did he not know that it was very easy for a hacker to get caught and plus, even easier for CCP to notice if a hacking incident is taking place and know where the items/ISK are going?... Like jeez, the employee may be caring, but he most certainly is not intelligent. Caring in sense that he cared what Alliance Jackasses though of him. Stupid to think backstabbing a friend earns respect. Welcome to the Goons. ---------------- "You lost your eye to a seagull dropping?," "Well," said the pirate, "it was my first day with my hook"
Cornelius Augustinus Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.05.05 12:02:00 - [45] Quote: unreadable Stuff
Colonel Cornbread Minmatar 37th Capital Fleet Screaming Eagles Gang Bang Theory	Posted - 2009.05.05 12:38:00 - [46] Originally by: Lola Fang Originally by: Colonel Cornbread Edited by: Colonel Cornbread on 05/05/2009 03:06:54 If the employee was caring and intelligent, why did he not know that it was very easy for a hacker to get caught and plus, even easier for CCP to notice if a hacking incident is taking place and know where the items/ISK are going?... Like jeez, the employee may be caring, but he most certainly is not intelligent. Caring in sense that he cared what Alliance Jackasses though of him. Stupid to think backstabbing a friend earns respect. Welcome to the Goons. Backstabbing a friend can earn me some respect... ~~~ Usual Gamer Alias: NakieoN ~~~
Kage Toshimado Gallente The Logistical Nightmare	Posted - 2009.05.05 13:26:00 - [47] Arciadian - First off, I congratulate you for being able to track down and catch the culprit red handed. It is a shame that is was someone so close to you. When you trust a person especially in real life and in game and have that trust broken, you're absolutely right, you can't ever really trust that person again. As much as this has affected you, it has affected him I am sure of it. Hopefully he will learn from this and never do such a thing again.
Dannerkongen	Posted - 2009.05.05 13:52:00 - [48] 4chan /b/
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.05.05 14:02:00 - [49] Edited by: TraininVain on 05/05/2009 14:04:17 Fire him. He's not trustworthy. Not because he scammed you ingame but because he messed with your computer and put a keylogger on there. That crosses a line. His plan involved a fair degree of premeditation too. He was actively out to deceive you. If nothing else I don't think you can, in good conscience, let this guy near your customers PCs. If he's happy to mess with you, his employer (and you sound like a nice guy tbh) how reluctant do you think he'd be to stick keyloggers on your customers computers? This will come back to bite you in the ass eventually.
Beldaws Gallente Maniac Miners	Posted - 2009.05.05 14:42:00 - [50] Ouch, that sucks! Hmm, I'll have to admit that I'd love to get hold of your assets too. You hiring?

Yukinagoto	Posted - 2009.05.05 15:09:00 - [51] It's quite funny how eve is a game that can jeopardize real friendships. I think in the eyes of the community and average player the most ridiculous thing you can do in eve is to treat it like a video game.
Belkadan	Posted - 2009.05.05 16:20:00 - [52] Originally by: K1RTH G3RS3N regardless of the proof, it is an elaborate scheme by your wife to dissuade you from playing eve. win
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.05.05 16:23:00 - [53] Originally by: Colonel Cornbread 4chan It all becomes clear... ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Weight What	Posted - 2009.05.05 16:43:00 - [54] If I had wanted to see a goddamn Great Wall, sir, I would have travelled to China on the next clipper. This is the kind of literary artifice that has no place on these fora, and I, for one, hope your computer shop explodes in sympathy with my poor eyes (ingame). Please contract any and all remaining assets to this character forthwith, and the matter shall be considered closed. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------- Annonymous, trading as "Weight What".
Weight What	Posted - 2009.05.05 16:45:00 - [55] Additionally, I am considering billing you for the eyestrain incurred during the attempt to read your missive! ----------------------------------------------- Annonymous, trading as "Weight What".
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.05.05 16:45:00 - [56] Interesting read. Arciadian, you are a good man. This is a perfect example of someone who was incapable of drawing the line between virtual wrong-doing and RL wrong-doing. As much as I love Eve, I think it tends to push "anonymity" factor far beyond an acceptable social boundary.
Feilamya Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.05 17:10:00 - [57] Originally by: Cyrdax he stole your imaginary internet spaceship so now you're not friends anymore? No, he hacked his account. Internet spaceships are imaginary, EVE accounts are real.
Jane Bennet Caldari Alloyed Tritanium Bar And Grill	Posted - 2009.05.05 17:59:00 - [58] Let's see if I get this straight: He works in your computer store, and installed a keylogger to a computer there? And now he still works there, repairing the computers of your customers? My advice would be to fire him before the local law enforcement kicks in your door after a customer finds a keylogger on their computer. Srsly. You're now risking your entire company on a guy you already know to be dishonest.
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.05.05 18:07:00 - [59] Originally by: Feilamya Originally by: Cyrdax he stole your imaginary internet spaceship so now you're not friends anymore? No, he hacked his account. Internet spaceships are imaginary, EVE accounts are real. He was referring to another poster who indeed had their ship stolen by a friend. Originally by: Jane Bennet Let's see if I get this straight: He works in your computer store, and installed a keylogger to a computer there? And now he still works there, repairing the computers of your customers? My advice would be to fire him before the local law enforcement kicks in your door after a customer finds a keylogger on their computer. Srsly. You're now risking your entire company on a guy you already know to be dishonest. Come on people! Read the goddamn thread! He said he fired the guy but decided to not press charges.
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards	Posted - 2009.05.05 18:23:00 - [60] You sound like a very compassionate and forgiving individual. Props for that. However, if you do want to help him and be compassionate towards any future employers he may have, turn his ass in. All that happened is that he got it reinforced that if he cries enough crocodile tears he can minimize natural consequences once he's caught doing something selfish and illegal. May be hard to hear, but you didn't do him a favor.

The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.05 19:09:00 - [61] FIRE THE EMPLOYEE What's going to keep him from installing a key-logger on a customer's computer he just handled. He did it to you ... This is a perfect example of his integrity ... you will set yourself up for failure in the future if you keep him on. Its one thing to scam someone in game you've never met face to face ... but its another to scam someone who you depend on in real life AND see every day. Then carry on like nothing is wrong. Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Axearm Thunk'um	Posted - 2009.05.05 19:16:00 - [62] Originally by: Weight What stuff tl;dr
Weight What	Posted - 2009.05.05 19:21:00 - [63] Originally by: Axearm Thunk'um Originally by: Weight What stuff tl;dr I think you'll find my post was considerably more succinct than that of the OP. ----------------------------------------------- Annonymous, trading as "Weight What".
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.05.05 19:24:00 - [64] Originally by: Weight What Originally by: Axearm Thunk'um Originally by: Weight What stuff tl;dr I think you'll find my post was considerably more succinct than that of the OP. And how exactly would you know this if you didn't read the OP)?
5higsy Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.05.05 19:26:00 - [65] Originally by: The PitBoss FIRE THE EMPLOYEE What's going to keep him from installing a key-logger on a customer's computer he just handled. He did it to you ... This is a perfect example of his integrity ... you will set yourself up for failure in the future if you keep him on. Its one thing to scam someone in game you've never met face to face ... but its another to scam someone who you depend on in real life AND see every day. Then carry on like nothing is wrong. Theres a difference between scamming someone and hacking into their account. Fire the ****.
Weight What	Posted - 2009.05.05 19:32:00 - [66] Originally by: Matrix Skye And how exactly would you know this if you didn't read the OP)? I read your mind and gleaned the pertinent details, much quicker I think you'll agree. ----------------------------------------------- Annonymous, trading as "Weight What".
Viqer Fell Minmatar When Hippo Attacks Go Wrong	Posted - 2009.05.05 19:42:00 - [67] It's so so easy to reach for the big schtick and stridently espouse some form of harsh punishment. Much harder to consider clemency. Back in 2003 we had a real life friend steal from our corp. He took assets that had taken many weeks/months of work to get. His view was it was just pretend spaceship stuff and the actions of his in game character Beljorin were separate from his out of game persona John. The view of the 4 who remained in the corp at that time was that whilst the assets he took were "pretend" the time and efforts we, as a group, invested to acquire those assets were anything but pretend. We felt betrayed and indeed talking to him out of game as rl friends John ended up becoming almost a bit of a pariah as we could not reconcile his attitude of the theft being separate from our friendship out of game. He never did understand why we couldn't understand that it was Beljorin that had stolen from The People's Front of Minmatar and not John stealing from Dave, Bert and Phil etc I say this only to explain that some people will take actions in game as a character that they would not countenance out of game. They guy may have been persuaded to nick in game stuff but there is no reason to suggest he would steal out of game. Whilst I do not feel I could have been so forgiving as the OP I do feel that its too easy to jump on the retribution bandwagon.
Bret Caliaro Seven Dwarves Prospecting	Posted - 2009.05.05 19:44:00 - [68] Originally by: Viqer Fell It's so so easy to reach for the big schtick and stridently espouse some form of harsh punishment. Much harder to consider clemency. Back in 2003 we had a real life friend steal from our corp. He took assets that had taken many weeks/months of work to get. His view was it was just pretend spaceship stuff and the actions of his in game character Beljorin were separate from his out of game persona John. The view of the 4 who remained in the corp at that time was that whilst the assets he took were "pretend" the time and efforts we, as a group, invested to acquire those assets were anything but pretend. We felt betrayed and indeed talking to him out of game as rl friends John ended up becoming almost a bit of a pariah as we could not reconcile his attitude of the theft being separate from our friendship out of game. He never did understand why we couldn't understand that it was Beljorin that had stolen from The People's Front of Minmatar and not John stealing from Dave, Bert and Phil etc I say this only to explain that some people will take actions in game as a character that they would not countenance out of game. They guy may have been persuaded to nick in game stuff but there is no reason to suggest he would steal out of game. Whilst I do not feel I could have been so forgiving as the OP I do feel that its too easy to jump on the retribution bandwagon. Nice to know it wasn't just me. _________________________________________________ I'm a such a lazy Bast***, so I play smart not hard.
Zing Wu	Posted - 2009.05.05 20:12:00 - [69] [Arcrydian] Hello 911? [Operator] Yes Sir, how may I help you? [A] I wish to report a robbery. [O] Ok Sir, keep calm and we will get an officer over there as quick as possible. Do you know exactly what was stolen? [A] Well they took my BPC's and some ship mods and 50 Billion ISK. [O] .............. [A] This is serious stuffs Madam I'll have you know, someone may have placed a keylogger in my computers! My EVE account may have been compromised! [O] ..............OK [A] Can you send one of you serious stuffs computer crime investigators round as soon as possible and arrest the perp? Preferably a lady one who wears a business suit with a white shirt that is low cut but not ****ty but is classy and still sexy even tho a consumate profesional who has struggled against the glass ceiling inherant to the police system, like that one from CSI. [O] .............. [O] Sir, get off the line before I have you arrested for wasting police time and being stupid in a public place. [A] QQ
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.05.05 20:19:00 - [70] Edited by: Benedikt Miloslav on 05/05/2009 20:20:33 Exactly my thoughts. I mean I don't know how it is where you live (US I assume), but here, if you try to report something like that, they'll either laugh, curse at you or (if you actually manage to get the police to the 'crime scene') beat the crap out of you for wasting their time. To be honest, even in a country where you can accuse someone of stealing your internet spaceships (like the US), I don't think anything would happen to the guy unless he used the keylogger to steal something important like your bank account info.

Vyllana	Posted - 2009.05.05 20:35:00 - [71] Definitely should have fired him. He: 1) installed an unwanted program (I guess a keylogger?) that compromised security at the place of business 2) used company IT resources for endeavors not related to the operation of that business (installing and running EVE) 3) convinced coworkers (yourself) into spending working time on non work related activities 4) deceived his supervisor (you) by erasing files and logs that could implicate him in some form of wrongdoing 5) lied directly to your face about what he had done Assuming that your story is true, those are more than sufficient grounds for dismissal. I don't see how you could possibly keep on an employee that had done that. Furthermore, the fact that he put his virtual world loyalties ahead of real world acquaintance / friendship should show you that this is not the kind of person you'd want to associate with. As for legal action, obviously the in-game theft would be laughed at, but installing programs like keyloggers at someone's place of business has got to be illegal.
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.05.05 20:35:00 - [72] Edited by: g0ggalor on 05/05/2009 20:35:10 IMO the OP has done the right thing. The guy obviously regrets what he did, and understands that he lost the trust of his friend and employeer. Why? Over internet spaceships. He has the chance to earn that trust back, mostly. Once you've betrayed someone's trust, you never have it back 100%. The guy has to be pretty stupid to do something like this to his boss.
deathscyth76 Caldari Holy Knights X The Last Stand	Posted - 2009.05.05 21:10:00 - [73] "Witchhunt", anyone? Let's go blobbing for teh hackzorz!
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.05.05 21:59:00 - [74] Originally by: Jimer Lins Dang.
MeestaPenni Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.05 22:00:00 - [75] Originally by: Vyllana 1) installed an unwanted program (I guess a keylogger?) that compromised security at the place of business 2) used company IT resources for endeavors not related to the operation of that business (installing and running ANY GAME) 3) convinced coworkers (yourself) into spending working time on non work related activities 4) deceived his supervisor (you) by erasing files and logs that could implicate him in some form of wrongdoing 5) lied directly to your face about what he had done This person has it right. Just take EvE out of the equation.....How many customer passwords might this person have attempted to crack?
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.05.05 22:16:00 - [76] Originally by: Viqer Fell It's so so easy to reach for the big schtick and stridently espouse some form of harsh punishment. It's nowt to do with the ingame stuff. That's a separate issue imo and I can see the argument either way in that case. It's the trust issues involved in letting this guy at customer computers. If I'm understanding the OP correctly he stuck a keylogger on the OP's computer. The "plan" was just the right combination of dumb and sneaky to make me think the guy will try again and get caught doing it. Really not something I'd want to expose my customers to, if I had a business. It'd be like keeping on a delivery driver after they'd stole. Yes, it was only ISK. It could have been bank details though. Perhaps I'm being overly judgmental here but I wouldn't take my hard disks or let my family and friends take their hard disks anywhere near anywhere I think there's even a vague chance of someone trying something like this and after reading the OP that includes the OP's shop tbh.
Infected Cure Caldari The Diamond Age	Posted - 2009.05.05 22:30:00 - [77] Stories like these make me thankfull i have no friends.
Colonel Cornbread Minmatar 37th Capital Fleet Screaming Eagles Gang Bang Theory	Posted - 2009.05.05 22:32:00 - [78] Originally by: Infected Cure Stories like these make me thankfull i have no friends. Me too. ...this doesn't make us friends. ~~~ Usual Gamer Alias: NakieoN ~~~
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.05.05 23:03:00 - [79] Quote: he stole your imaginary internet spaceship so now you're not friends anymore? I would agree, except he planted a **ing keylogger and hacked the OP's account In which case I have absolutely no sympathy for the guy.
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards	Posted - 2009.05.06 00:33:00 - [80] Originally by: Benedikt Miloslav Edited by: Benedikt Miloslav on 05/05/2009 20:20:33 Exactly my thoughts. I mean I don't know how it is where you live (US I assume), but here, if you try to report something like that, they'll either laugh, curse at you or (if you actually manage to get the police to the 'crime scene') beat the crap out of you for wasting their time. To be honest, even in a country where you can accuse someone of stealing your internet spaceships (like the US), I don't think anything would happen to the guy unless he used the keylogger to steal something important like your bank account info. Can only speak for Colorado. In Colorado, of course it's not a crime to steal someone's internet pixels. They all belong to CCP. Let's not be silly in our stereotypes. However, HOW the sap went about doing it is a crime. http://www.internetlibrary.com/statuteitem.cfm?Num=14

FU22 Beyond Transcendence	Posted - 2009.05.06 01:11:00 - [81] file charges on the **** tbh
Basheron	Posted - 2009.05.06 01:32:00 - [82] Originally by: Arciadian He has been fired but I did not fill a charges with the police. He had been a terrific employee until them so I felt I could at least not cause him to have a felony record. So yeah, the guy WAS fired, to clear some confusion...
Jack Coutu Gallente Duty.	Posted - 2009.05.06 02:36:00 - [83] Edited by: Jack Coutu on 06/05/2009 02:37:37 Almost everyone in this thread needs to LEARN 2 READ THE MAN WAS FIRED I repeat, the man was fired. Mission accomplished, hackzor expunged.
deathscyth76 Caldari Holy Knights X The Last Stand	Posted - 2009.05.06 03:27:00 - [84] I would rage-emo-press-charges, if I were you. And then get as much money out of him and his parents as possible. EVE is a dirty, lowly universe. The real one is worse. See to it, OP. "Just put down the laser, Give me all your ISKies - And everyone walks out alive.
Sral TBear Mark Of Chaos	Posted - 2009.05.06 10:10:00 - [85] what you do to him is what you have to live with, not what we wantet to do to him. If your ok with what have heppend, that is the important thing.... I whent to a lan party abit ago...and there was all these nice pre-installed puters we could use....16 guys, 16 puters and the host even had a food, beer shop for us. Im paranoid so i have my little usb key with a software tracker on it. Before loggoing in a run the key, yes key logger found. Then i just for the fun of it go to every single computer and just run it while they are playing and yes all 16 puters had a key logger on. When the host is away to get some stuf i run into the key-logger cfg file and se where it send the stuf, it sends it to the host (using hes damn facebook mail).... I talk to another m8 and tells him about what i have found...we kontakt the guy who are hosting the mail server (who is a friend) and make im kill all out going mails, so the stuf from the key logger will be caught on the mail server. After wacking the logger on my puter i log in, have a great 24 hour run in eve with the rest. When we get close to end time my m8 makes kinda a statment on some eve raltet stuf just to get alls attention...when all are sitting laughing and smiling, i give them all a paper with the details on the key logger and what it have send out while we have been playing....the host standing there all alone have no clue whats going on.... then they start to ask him what the f is this and he just looks like someone who got caugh big time...hes first reply wsas not doing any good as he said...how did you find out.....things got heatet, me and my m8 packed and left doing the rather high debate..... from what i was told they had beat him up...and trashed all 16 computers.... there data was caught before it got away, they all changed there pass no one was hurt....but dont even trust a computer at a lan party.... TBear
Ralara Caldari DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.06 10:59:00 - [86] If you've ever used your work PC to access personal emails, internet banking or paypal etc, change those passwords now. This is just internet spaceship pixels but if he's willing to commit, as you say, felonies in order to do things, what's to say he doesn't have your real bank info? --
Ralara Caldari DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.06 11:00:00 - [87] Originally by: Benedikt Miloslav Edited by: Benedikt Miloslav on 05/05/2009 20:20:33 Exactly my thoughts. I mean I don't know how it is where you live (US I assume), but here, if you try to report something like that, they'll either laugh, curse at you or (if you actually manage to get the police to the 'crime scene') beat the crap out of you for wasting their time. To be honest, even in a country where you can accuse someone of stealing your internet spaceships (like the US), I don't think anything would happen to the guy unless he used the keylogger to steal something important like your bank account info. He's putting a keylogger on a company machine. If you don't think that can get someone in a lot of trouble, why don't you try it at your job? If this is a computer repair store, what's to also say he hasn't put it on other customers' accounts? etc. --
Misanth The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.05.06 11:13:00 - [88] Wow, this thread might actually provoke more feelings and srsbsns-posts than anything in C&P for the last.. well, half a year? More? If the OP was a troll he'd won the internet. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.06 11:25:00 - [89] Edited by: Mickey Simon on 06/05/2009 11:27:01 Originally by: Benedikt Miloslav Edited by: Benedikt Miloslav on 05/05/2009 20:20:33 Exactly my thoughts. I mean I don't know how it is where you live (US I assume), but here, if you try to report something like that, they'll either laugh, curse at you or (if you actually manage to get the police to the 'crime scene') beat the crap out of you for wasting their time. To be honest, even in a country where you can accuse someone of stealing your internet spaceships (like the US), I don't think anything would happen to the guy unless he used the keylogger to steal something important like your bank account info. Uh, what? Regardless of whether it was EVE or something else, the guy put a keylogger on another persons personal computer. That is more than enough to press charges on him. What information he stole is inconsequential. edit: ah, didn't read down enough to see a few other people saying the same thing. STEAK.
Jack Coutu Gallente Duty.	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:16:00 - [90] Originally by: Mickey Simon Edited by: Mickey Simon on 06/05/2009 11:27:01 Originally by: Benedikt Miloslav Edited by: Benedikt Miloslav on 05/05/2009 20:20:33 Exactly my thoughts. I mean I don't know how it is where you live (US I assume), but here, if you try to report something like that, they'll either laugh, curse at you or (if you actually manage to get the police to the 'crime scene') beat the crap out of you for wasting their time. To be honest, even in a country where you can accuse someone of stealing your internet spaceships (like the US), I don't think anything would happen to the guy unless he used the keylogger to steal something important like your bank account info. Uh, what? Regardless of whether it was EVE or something else, the guy put a keylogger on another persons personal computer. That is more than enough to press charges on him. What information he stole is inconsequential. edit: ah, didn't read down enough to see a few other people saying the same thing. STEAK. This, this sort of stuff leads to identity theft and is harshly prosecuted now that it's been a big story for several people that really really didn't deserve it. I'd also like to know why you'd live in a place where simply calling the police results in you getting beat up? Please let me know where it is so I can move there, sue them after getting evidence of it and play EVE and **** around forever.

omgdutch2005 Gallente Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:32:00 - [91] Originally by: MeestaPenni Originally by: Vyllana 1) installed an unwanted program (I guess a keylogger?) that compromised security at the place of business 2) used company IT resources for endeavors not related to the operation of that business (installing and running ANY GAME) 3) convinced coworkers (yourself) into spending working time on non work related activities 4) deceived his supervisor (you) by erasing files and logs that could implicate him in some form of wrongdoing 5) lied directly to your face about what he had done This person has it right. Just take EvE out of the equation.....How many customer passwords might this person have attempted to crack? cracking aint needed, just lookup .sam files ;-), and legit sorftware like UMBD (ultimate Boot disk) can ... help
Guygeboe	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:40:00 - [92] Seriously man, fire the dude. He's not having the hard time he should be having for doing all this stuff...Its just WEAK!. Hope you still like the game and keep playing 'n **** :).
Barakkus	Posted - 2009.05.06 18:23:00 - [93] Originally by: omgdutch2005 if he had done this, he had better used a better tool to erase ALL data, like DBAN - Darik's Boot And Nuke \| Hard Drive Disk Wipe ^^ we use it at my work to perma erase sensitive data, that are on the drives at the prison facility i work at. heck, it has FBI/CIA methods on the tool to make sure its gone ;-) so i guess he wasn't that smart :P, DBAN+wreck the disk :P lol oo new toy, I usually just use WinHex to randomly write random garbage to the sectors of a HD 10 times or so, format it, do it again about 3 or 4 more times...but having a free method to not go through all that mess manually helps :P
Barakkus	Posted - 2009.05.06 18:36:00 - [94] Originally by: Jack Coutu Originally by: Mickey Simon Edited by: Mickey Simon on 06/05/2009 11:27:01 Originally by: Benedikt Miloslav Edited by: Benedikt Miloslav on 05/05/2009 20:20:33 Exactly my thoughts. I mean I don't know how it is where you live (US I assume), but here, if you try to report something like that, they'll either laugh, curse at you or (if you actually manage to get the police to the 'crime scene') beat the crap out of you for wasting their time. To be honest, even in a country where you can accuse someone of stealing your internet spaceships (like the US), I don't think anything would happen to the guy unless he used the keylogger to steal something important like your bank account info. Uh, what? Regardless of whether it was EVE or something else, the guy put a keylogger on another persons personal computer. That is more than enough to press charges on him. What information he stole is inconsequential. edit: ah, didn't read down enough to see a few other people saying the same thing. STEAK. This, this sort of stuff leads to identity theft and is harshly prosecuted now that it's been a big story for several people that really really didn't deserve it. I'd also like to know why you'd live in a place where simply calling the police results in you getting beat up? Please let me know where it is so I can move there, sue them after getting evidence of it and play EVE and **** around forever. Looking at the police in Chicago will get you beaten up if you're in the wrong neighborhood.
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.05.06 18:51:00 - [95] Originally by: Barakkus Looking at the police in Chicago will get you beaten up if you're in the wrong neighborhood. I'd take that any day over the LAPD. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Barakkus	Posted - 2009.05.06 19:01:00 - [96] Originally by: FOl2TY8 Originally by: Barakkus Looking at the police in Chicago will get you beaten up if you're in the wrong neighborhood. I'd take that any day over the LAPD. Don't think so :P In Chicago, depending on the circumstances you just disapear sometimes ;)
Myxx Deux Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.05.07 01:01:00 - [97] Go back and turn the sucker in to the cops. In game theft, scams, turncoats, all this is something thats a part of the game. Keyloggers installed by an employee on a corp computer for the express purpose of internet theft is a crime. Personally, I woulda been waiting outside the door of the shop in a big ass Chrysler with the engine revving, but thats just me. And you guys in Smeg should be included in the charge as well under the conspiracy act if you where involved.
Mista Sexamalicious Sexa Inc	Posted - 2009.05.07 02:46:00 - [98] Funny thing. Years ago several co-workers explained EVE, sometime after I absolutely refused to play WoW with them because of the factional constrictions. Several months into EVE i blew up the ship of the char of the primary co-worker that had convinced me to play this game. Granted he did not speak to me at work, for almost two weeks, because of my actions, disregarding the fact that I had funded the ship of his that I blew up, through means of ISK and Mins. * Cough* Blue Dot * Cough* Somtime later, along time later, I had only been logging in to set training. Had been more than a year I'm sure. I get a convo from dude. after a bit of conversation I put him in the corp I have. And While I was still Online chatting it up with him the knuckle head wiped me out. Took every BPO/BPC I had. OFC I talked **ters to him in chat after I'd noticed what he did, IRL i could only LMAO. Sometime later, a matter of months, still logging in only to set training. Guess who's in the same system as me? He convos me. "Hey Hi How yous been doing What's been going on with yous?" I moved away from the local IRL area I lived in so hadn't seen him since we worked together. So, we compare, SP to date, tells me he needs implants to catch up with me. I spent every last LP i had to get him his full set of +4s. You see,the moral of the story is, regardless, of what happens IG, we will always be RL homies. ________________________________________________________ Real Men don't use Local.**
Cyrdax Altruism. Avarice.	Posted - 2009.05.07 02:54:00 - [99] and you will always be a sucker --- tv where the horn go, boy can you top that?
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.05.07 03:00:00 - [100] Originally by: K1RTH G3RS3N regardless of the proof, it is an elaborate scheme by your wife to dissuade you from playing eve. That's why the wife gave him 2 kids! Blueprint Store

Mista Sexamalicious Sexa Inc	Posted - 2009.05.07 03:44:00 - [101] Originally by: Cyrdax and you will always be a sucker Who Me? Troll. /Giggles a bit as he puts on his Hawaiian Tropic Sun Tan Lotion and puts on his Tiger Striped Speedo, then Tea Bags Cyrdax. Anything else you feel like saying? B4 things get intense? ________________________________________________________ Real Men don't use Local.
Asbury	Posted - 2009.05.10 23:17:00 - [102] I read this entire thread , rare for me indeed. But I am Arc's (OP) CEO. for those who applaud Arc's RL restraint not prosecuting I can say i knew he would'nt. He and I go back to release have known him since shortly after and after nearly 6 years actually had a phone conversation with him. he is a class guy and i am proud to have him as a director - Division commander - and friend. Having lived this story i can assure the more aggressive minded posters here that there were more than one normally meek and mild directors in our corp channel who were ready to get in a car or plane and go find this guy and do the worst too him.The thief and thats exactly what he is , was lucky to have a boss like he had. now he can go get a new boss and see what life is like for him then. Certainly wont be as good. He left a couple points out of story , 2 trial accounts were used to do the actual theft , guy logged on Arc's charachter accepted his trial accounts application then gave himself all needed roles and then took all the stuff that was not locked down. Why after all this time and all the other restrictions that have been put on trial accounts are trial accounts able to recieve roles? If nothing else comes out of this story it would be nice too see trial accounts restricted from recieving roles if not from joining player corps totally. It would not have assured prevention of this event but definately would have made the guy think twice to have to man up and use his main account to complete the theft knowing we would all , including the fellow members who wanted to do him bodily harm , have known who the thief really was. The GMs did a good job on this one getting almost everything back too us in a fairly timely manner , as one who rarely has kind words for them I do want to thank them for their efforts. now get off your butts and turn tial accounts into trial accounts and not the haven of thieves spies scammers and ISK sellers.(cant be too nice too them it gos too their head) Asbury CEO of ICT Now where is that damned resign as CEO button ....
Shandlanos Kalashnikov Amarr Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2009.05.10 23:44:00 - [103] Originally by: Asbury Big Wall of Text The GMs did a good job on this one getting almost everything back too us in a fairly timely manner , as one who rarely has kind words for them I do want to thank them for their efforts. now get off your butts and turn tial accounts into trial accounts and not the haven of thieves spies scammers and ISK sellers.(cant be too nice too them it gos too their head) I second the Trial Account Restrictions based on what happened and what is continuing to happen.
floridajay	Posted - 2009.05.12 02:18:00 - [104] WTF .... Has become of Providence ????
Barrechor	Posted - 2009.05.12 15:53:00 - [105] TBH ive always known Gerrin Deveraux was a bit of a C**K. These guys have successfully made Goonswarm look like Angels from Heaven which I tought was impossible. This is identity thieft, no two ways about it and the guy couldnt have a single complaint if he was banged up and subjected to some hot luvvin from some big, burly inmates. Personally I do think that the co-conspirators should be banned, they played thier part in a crime and should be punished for thier part accordingly. The bare minimum punishment they should be subjected to is the stripping of all thier assets. I would have thought that with this taking place in America, Arcadia could probbably sue him. Ive seen people sued for much, much less over there. Ban the lot of them, itll serve them right for being a bunch of cheating, spineless little girls. Oh and I know Jay, the moral standards in Provi have definatly slipped recently.
Kitimortoa	Posted - 2009.05.12 17:06:00 - [106] Originally by: Barrechor I would have thought that with this taking place in America, Arcadia could probbably sue him. Ive seen people sued for much, much less over there. On a side note, that's what's wrong with this country, bunch of whiny *****es out to make a quick buck at other's expense. The people in the U.S. are so weak that if you look at someone funny you're likely to be sued... Here's a real good example of the stupidity the population in the U.S. has a propensity for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbOtiOfRSiY
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel. The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.05.12 17:35:00 - [107] Originally by: Kitimortoa Originally by: Barrechor I would have thought that with this taking place in America, Arcadia could probbably sue him. Ive seen people sued for much, much less over there. On a side note, that's what's wrong with this country, bunch of whiny *****es out to make a quick buck at other's expense. The people in the U.S. are so weak that if you look at someone funny you're likely to be sued... Here's a real good example of the stupidity the population in the U.S. has a propensity for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbOtiOfR SiY Ok? Could you guys please provide us with your countries of origin so we can post a YouTube video generalizing and stereotyping your entire nation of peoples in a way that is totally unrelated to the point of this thread? Thanks! ----- The Python Cartel - My Pirate Blog
Jason Travers Space 1999	Posted - 2009.05.12 20:31:00 - [108] Sounds like you have a real member of the goons working for you. Mommy that mean ole bear just dukied in my sandbox. :(
Trubble	Posted - 2009.05.12 23:38:00 - [109] Well Arc did not prosecute the guy so would make the thought of a law suit a real stretch. Ultimately 99% of the loss was recovered so no damages to recover related to the game anyway. Being nearly 50 , living in the US and having never sued anyone I can assure you that the stereotype is just that , a stereotype. I would post more but i have to go clean my guns , fire up my still , and text message my attorney. Trubble Stereotypical Alt
ctx2007 Minmatar Wychwood and Wells	Posted - 2009.08.04 19:54:00 - [110] its a sad fact that key loggers exist as today i became a victim myself for the corp wallet a freighter a number of drakes, an orca and a large number of T2 components and 3.1 billion in isk. i beleive isk sellers were behind this attack and i hope ccp can tie up this security problem EVE is a game and a damn good one too

Weight What	Posted - 2009.08.04 20:06:00 - [111] Originally by: ctx2007 its a sad fact that key loggers exist as today i became a victim myself for the corp wallet a freighter a number of drakes, an orca and a large number of T2 components and 3.1 billion in isk. i beleive isk sellers were behind this attack and i hope ccp can tie up this security problem Luckily they didn't get my T2 Violin so that I might play a sad song on it ♪♫Wah-wah-waaaaah♪♫ ----------------------------------------------- Annonymous, trading as "Weight What".
Cre'tal Eminent Disdain	Posted - 2009.08.04 20:21:00 - [112] Holy forum necro batman.
Agent Known Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.08.04 20:27:00 - [113] Originally by: Cre'tal Holy forum necro batman. QFT. Also, IBTL.
Frug Repo Industries	Posted - 2009.08.04 20:43:00 - [114] Quote: This has really been a massive blow to me and my family. Carebears. It's a game. It's one ******* who you should fire because he put a keylogger on your machine, and you should stop being girly about it. I don't see what it has to do with your family facepalm - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor
Msgerbs Gallente Imperial Assualt Guild Raikiri Assasins	Posted - 2009.08.04 22:14:00 - [115] Originally by: ctx2007 its a sad fact that key loggers exist as today i became a victim myself for the corp wallet a freighter a number of drakes, an orca and a large number of T2 components and 3.1 billion in isk. i beleive isk sellers were behind this attack and i hope ccp can tie up this security problem Did you really just admit to buying isk? "Isn't the Eiffel Tower an early prototype of a Minmatar Battleship?" --Illectroculus Defined
Ta'jek Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.04 23:27:00 - [116] Originally by: Msgerbs Originally by: ctx2007 its a sad fact that key loggers exist as today i became a victim myself for the corp wallet a freighter a number of drakes, an orca and a large number of T2 components and 3.1 billion in isk. i beleive isk sellers were behind this attack and i hope ccp can tie up this security problem Did you really just admit to buying isk? either that or being foolish enough to click on the **** links being posted lately
Taua Roqa Minmatar junQtion	Posted - 2009.08.04 23:44:00 - [117] fire the dude. whoa. [
Future Mutant Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.08.05 01:11:00 - [118] Its called line breaks ADD SOME!! Im never going to be able to climb that wall of text Your stuff iz mine through actions
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.05 01:30:00 - [119] I read the OP (I NO RITE!) but I'll be ****ed if im reading 4 pages of replies.. My boss plays eve and i'd rip him off in a second in game, but the line is at hacking his account..
Zar Terra MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2009.08.05 02:24:00 - [120] Necro-thread is back from the dead! -= NightShifter =- Originally by: Dirk Magnum On the one hand I love a metaphorical trainwreck but come on. This is sort of like crashing a plane on top of a train that's already wrecked.

Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.05 03:57:00 - [121] Originally by: Zar Terra Necro-thread is back from the dead! I did notice the date but I dont remember reading it before. I would have remembered a story like that.. We need to do a follow up anyway and find out if the OP ever got his house firebombed or anything... Its SRUS BUSINESS!


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