Originally by: Estel Arador

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What's this? An alt bragging about how good his main is?

If you're so successful pushing other people out of the market, why do you feel the need to warn them not to get into it? Seems to me that that's an indication you can't handle it anymore OR that it actually is profitable to get into 'your' market but you don't want others to find out.

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Originally by: Lecherito

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You ever consider the fact that you're the one getting pawned, mate? =P

-L

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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However, even if you stay in the market I'll happily make a 10 isk profit (or buy/sell at a loss) on a 1m isk item just to see your buy order sit there and get stale, all the while a decent chunk of your wallet sits in that buy order playing some battle of attrition that you won't win.

To be honest, I could simply lose money on the market indefinitely and compensate for it buy falling back on t2 sales from my BPOs. If you think you're going to push into my market by playing the .01 isk game a few times a day - you're sorely mistaken. I don't need more money.

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Originally by: Kazimiir

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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However, even if you stay in the market I'll happily make a 10 isk profit (or buy/sell at a loss) on a 1m isk item just to see your buy order sit there and get stale, all the while a decent chunk of your wallet sits in that buy order playing some battle of attrition that you won't win.

To be honest, I could simply lose money on the market indefinitely and compensate for it buy falling back on t2 sales from my BPOs. If you think you're going to push into my market by playing the .01 isk game a few times a day - you're sorely mistaken. I don't need more money.

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If that's all it takes to make a self-proclaimed hardballer tie up large portions of HIS isk at a loss then I'd say they're the ones winning this "battle of attrition." The best part is they're probably off learning how to make more isk while you're busy starting threads of newbie intimidation wrapped in a candy coating of "advice." :)

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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The fact that you would even consider purchasing another T2 print convinces me of your idiocy, ignoring the obvious chest thumping here.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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The fact that you would even consider purchasing another T2 print convinces me of your idiocy, ignoring the obvious chest thumping here.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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"I reject your reality and substitute my own

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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The fact that you would even consider purchasing another T2 print convinces me of your idiocy, ignoring the obvious chest thumping here.

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Yes, all of us t2 BPO owners are idiots. I completely agree.

Hahahahahaha

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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The fact that you would even consider purchasing another T2 print convinces me of your idiocy, ignoring the obvious chest thumping here.

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Requoting this for emphasis, as I just don't understand how anyone with even a superficial grasp of EVE economics could possibly say something so ridiculous in public.

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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Kazzac was talking about purchasing a print, not owning one. If you already own one, it sometimes makes a decent profit. If you're thinking of buying one, you're insane.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Example - Say I buy a t2 BPO today for 20 bill, and start building immediately, and I make 1 bill profit in a month but decide to sell the print a month later. I successfully sell the print for precisely what I paid for it, 20 bill, and I made 1 bill off of it in the meantime.

Explain how this is somehow stupid or a bad decision. I'll be waiting for that.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Example - Say I buy a t2 BPO today for 20 bill, and start building immediately, and I make 1 bill profit in a month but decide to sell the print a month later. I successfully sell the print for precisely what I paid for it, 20 bill, and I made 1 bill off of it in the meantime.

Explain how this is somehow stupid or a bad decision. I'll be waiting for that.

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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Edited by: Estel Arador on 05/05/2009 20:55:47

Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Example - Say I buy a t2 BPO today for 20 bill, and start building immediately, and I make 1 bill profit in a month but decide to sell the print a month later. I successfully sell the print for precisely what I paid for it, 20 bill, and I made 1 bill off of it in the meantime.

Explain how this is somehow stupid or a bad decision. I'll be waiting for that.

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Your numbers are a bit off, T2 BPO aren't sold for less than 2 to 3 years of profit. So it would take at least 24B to be able to make 1B a month. That's at best 4% a month. Surely someone as smart as yourself can think of more profitable and less time-consuming ventures?

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Example - Say I buy a t2 BPO today for 20 bill, and start building immediately, and I make 1 bill profit in a month but decide to sell the print a month later. I successfully sell the print for precisely what I paid for it, 20 bill, and I made 1 bill off of it in the meantime.

Explain how this is somehow stupid or a bad decision. I'll be waiting for that.

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Find me a print you can purchase for 20b that nets you a billion in profit a month

After that I'll glad explain to you have 20b in liquid isk can be turned into 40b by the end of the month without the fuss of material lines, production alts, copying, etc....

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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Edited by: Estel Arador on 05/05/2009 20:55:47

Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Example - Say I buy a t2 BPO today for 20 bill, and start building immediately, and I make 1 bill profit in a month but decide to sell the print a month later. I successfully sell the print for precisely what I paid for it, 20 bill, and I made 1 bill off of it in the meantime.

Explain how this is somehow stupid or a bad decision. I'll be waiting for that.

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Your numbers are a bit off, T2 BPO aren't sold for less than 2 to 3 years of profit. So it would take at least 24B to be able to make 1B a month. That's at best 4% a month. Surely someone as smart as yourself can think of more profitable and less time-consuming ventures?

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My numbers are arbitrary. Change them if you'd like. Say I make 500m in one month off a 40b BPO purchase. Say I sell the BPO a month later for what I paid for it, and I kep the 500m. Expalin how this was a stupid decision. Please. I'm still waiting, on pins and needles.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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My numbers are arbitrary. Change them if you'd like. Say I make 500m in one month off a 40b BPO purchase. Say I sell the BPO a month later for what I paid for it, and I kep the 500m. Expalin how this was a stupid decision. Please. I'm still waiting, on pins and needles.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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So, let's get your logic straight - I have so much isk lying around that I literally can't invest it all in the market using nearly 900 orders - your logic is that dropping isk on BPOs, selling made goods for a profit, and keeping the BPO to sell later at what will likely be a profit is a terrible idea?

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Originally by: Taelech

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I'll take the troll bait...
You just made .5b off of a 40b investment, in a single month. That is 1.25% return monthly. I get better rates than that at Eve-Bank without having to do any production or worry about stuff selling (granted it is t2, it will most likely sell if it is reasonably priced (read high but not outlandish)) If you just like making stuff, fine. That is a valid persuit, just don't say that it's not a bad decision profit-wise.

I anxiously await enlightenment as to how wrong I am...

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Originally by: Klyria

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I smell a troll to be honest. Last I checked it was common knowledge in MD that T2 BPOs take several years to net any ISK, have to be sold to make a profit, and that the money you would waste on purchasing one could be far better used on other investments. The fact that you are posting on an alt just adds to the hilarity of this thread, simply because of the fact that I have yet to run into anyone in MD, or EVE for that matter, who runs around yelling that you shouldn't get into the market because of how much ISK is in their wallets.

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Originally by: Klyria

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My guess is that you are on an alt. However, you don't own a single T2 BPO. You do invention, and thus you are trying to scare people out who might take away your sales by doing invention of their own. Not the worst method I've seen of trying to do this, but next time do go for such a exuberant story.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Originally by: Taelech

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I'll take the troll bait...
You just made .5b off of a 40b investment, in a single month. That is 1.25% return monthly. I get better rates than that at Eve-Bank without having to do any production or worry about stuff selling (granted it is t2, it will most likely sell if it is reasonably priced (read high but not outlandish)) If you just like making stuff, fine. That is a valid persuit, just don't say that it's not a bad decision profit-wise.

I anxiously await enlightenment as to how wrong I am...

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Actually, that's a fine line of logic, I have no problem with it. You're absolutely right. However, there are two points to be made.

Subjectively - I won't invest in IPOs, banks, etc. Too many scams, too many opportunities for losing far more than you're actually receiving. My loss? Maybe. But I honestly get far greater rates of return on most of my investments. My example was, as I said, arbitrary.

Objectively - Anyone buying a BPO on a 3 to 4 year ROR is a fool. There are much better deals to be had. Sure, they aren't common, but one doesn't need frequent good deals when the cost of investment is 20 to 50 bill. It takes me months/years to save up for a BPO. And, as I mentioned, my 'savings' is always money that I simply can't invest back into the market because of certain restrictions (buy/sell orders, manufacturing slots, # of alts, etc).

Fine point though.

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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Considering you can get 1% with completely no effort from a bank, I'd say it is a stupid decision.

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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As has been said there are other ventures which will be less work and more profitable than purchasing a T2 BPO. If you'd get your eyes off the mirror for long enough you might've gotten a nice idea from reading these forums which would fit perfectly in your alleged wealth. Unfortunately that idea not only requires wealth, it also requires some brains.

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Originally by: Taelech

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Thanks for the props, but numbers are what the whole thing is about. The numbers are never arbitrary. While you may still be making money, the opportunity cost you are paying is larger. While I do have cash sitting in eve bank, I make greater margins looking around at what people are flying (more specifically, getting blown up while flying) and build those lowly t1 ships. I can usually get around 10-12% return on a terribly pedistrian commodity because they move quickly. That means that the cash I have in Eve Bank is actually costing me 8-10% cause it is not working as hard for me.. (Geeze I sound like a commercial for Eve Bank today)

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Sure, I could invest in EVE Bank or something. But I want to actually be 'involved' in my game. I don't need more money, and I don't want the game to 'play itself' - so to speak.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Nice ad hominem there. When facts fail you I suppose it's all you've got.

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Originally by: Robacz

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@OP
Hmmm, 225B / updating 4x a day / playing since 2003 ? I wouldn't brag about that.

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Nice ad hominem there. When facts fail you I suppose it's all you've got.

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It's only an Ad Hominem if I say you're wrong because you have not enough brains, which is not the case.
I'm saying you're wrong (supported by arguments) AND that you have not enough brains.

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Originally by: GuildNavigator

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What is it that you fear, that you feel the need to post a warning (advice as you call it)? It's from little fish like me that you get so rich. And since you so elegantly state that you don't need more money... why do you even care? I fail to see your point...

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Originally by: Taelech

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Aye, as did I before the corporate firewall went up.... sigh

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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If you're already so rich that you don't need the money, and you're already working as much capital as possible as hard as you can, why are you so paranoid about investing the suprplus in other people? If someone like you can't afford the risks, who can? In the safest cases, I'd go so far as to argue that it's barely any more risky than your current activities, and the returns are still better than BPO purchases if you find someone competent to manage things. If you invested completely indiscriminately, you'd probably lose most of your savings, but no-one is that naive.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Lots of ego stroking, stretching of the e-peen and purring in an imaginary fantasyworld made of clouds

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Reading Comprehension 101

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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PS. You haven't provided a single valid argument against me. You're only point for the most part is that I could get a better ROR investing in banks rather than BPOs, which is completely and utterly false and not my experience at all.

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Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Lots of ego stroking, stretching of the e-peen and purring in an imaginary fantasyworld made of clouds

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So, basicly, you say small fish look silly getting in to trading because there are big fishes like yourself. Does this mean they shouldn't try and learn? Should they not even try to compete because you have the wallet of gods that wins eve?

Basicly, all you did in the OP was boast about your wallet and how your glory outshines all the little people below you.

You stepped in to the lair of the market ancients, no one knows who you are, no one really cares who you are, you provide nothing constructive, nothing that benefits anyone, nothing that even remotely entertains the readers, and mainly just shows how arrogant you are.

Welcome to MD.

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Reading Comprehension 101

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Note the "rather than" part of that definition

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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(A) The thing about putting money in a bank was in comparison to your example of investing 40B to get 500M profit a month.
(B) I have also stated that more generally you can get a higher rate of return than pretty much any bought T2 BPO in various other ways which require less work (which I have not specified, but have hinted at; surely you can figure it out yourself).

(A) was just and example, (B) is the core of my argument.

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Quote:

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I'm posting this thread with an alt as my corp and few alt characters would likely become some target of angst for being critical of some folks. However, while some of this may sound derogatory, it's more advice than anything.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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I'm posting this thread with an alt as my corp and few alt characters would likely become some target of angst for being critical of some folks. However, while some of this may sound derogatory,

Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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The fact that you would even consider purchasing another T2 print convinces me of your idiocy, ignoring the obvious chest thumping here.

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Originally by: Axearm Thunk'um

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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The fact that you would even consider purchasing another T2 print convinces me of your idiocy, ignoring the obvious chest thumping here.

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I don't want to put words in Kazzac's mouth but when you manage to get him, the most even handed poster to here, to call you a blow hard, you really have achieved some fame.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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When people see a 'new face' that probably lurks in the background they immediately assume that they're new and stupid.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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If you're already so rich that you don't need the money, and you're already working as much capital as possible as hard as you can, why are you so paranoid about investing the suprplus in other people? If someone like you can't afford the risks, who can? In the safest cases, I'd go so far as to argue that it's barely any more risky than your current activities, and the returns are still better than BPO purchases if you find someone competent to manage things. If you invested completely indiscriminately, you'd probably lose most of your savings, but no-one is that naive.

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I already explained that in about 3 responses. However, since you didn't read them I'll repeat it -

I want to actually play the game and enjoy market PVP instead of just paying other people to play the game for me.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Even-handed or not, his claim was total nonsense. Being a well-known poster does not preclude you from being a financial schlemiel.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Look at all the kids who can't read and can't resist the urge to respond to a 'troll'.

Entertaining.

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I don't need more money, and I don't want the game to 'play itself' - so to speak.

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Originally by: Maxwell Terallis

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I know I haven't been around here that long, but even I can see this was a troll post from the beginning.

To the OP:

I hope this thread helped you kill that time at work! :)

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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While my OP is completely accurate, the whining flock of 'finanacial gurus' who came into the thread lead me to find some way to entertain myself while taking care of a sick kid home from school all day.

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Originally by: Plumpy McPudding

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I find it rather amusing, but also quite disturbing, you'd rather post a troll thread on the forums to entertain yourself, rather than spend some time with your own sick kid.

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Originally by: Plumpy McPudding

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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While my OP is completely accurate, the whining flock of 'finanacial gurus' who came into the thread lead me to find some way to entertain myself while taking care of a sick kid home from school all day.

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I find it rather amusing, but also quite disturbing, you'd rather post a troll thread on the forums to entertain yourself, rather than spend some time with your own sick kid.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Haha, the sick kid (when not barfing or sleeping) is sitting about 10 feet from Dad...

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Originally by: Solisk

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I'm sure that there are plenty jobs on your wifes "Honey Do" list to keep you occupied for a few hours.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Hey, keep bumping the thread with baseless accusations of a situation you know nothing about. I'm enjoying this, though I'll have to wait to see what responses are left by unwitting kids till tomorrow morning, as it's time to wrap things up this evening.

Thanks for the fun, kiddos!

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Hey, keep bumping the thread with baseless accusations of a situation you know nothing about. I'm enjoying this, though I'll have to wait to see what responses are left by unwitting kids till tomorrow morning, as it's time to wrap things up this evening.

Thanks for the fun, kiddos!

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Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier

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Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 05/05/2009 22:07:23

Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Lots of ego stroking, stretching of the e-peen and purring in an imaginary fantasyworld made of clouds

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So, basicly, you say small fish look silly getting in to trading because there are big fishes like yourself. Does this mean they shouldn't try and learn? Should they not even try to compete because you have the wallet of gods that wins eve?

Basicly, all you did in the OP was boast about your wallet and how your glory outshines all the little people below you.

You stepped in to the lair of the market ancients, no one knows who you are, no one really cares who you are, you provide nothing constructive, nothing that benefits anyone, nothing that even remotely entertains the readers, and mainly just shows how arrogant you are.

So far you've managed to defend your views by mainly insulting people questioning you.

Your thread, in short, is spam and waste of space.

Welcome to MD.

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Originally by: Seklyko

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I'm a small fish trader worth only a few billion. I'm sure I compete with you on a product somewhere, yet I'm turning a very healty profit. I'm not gonna leave your market, so... nana nana nana!


Also: Blrrrrrrrrrrrrptptptptptpt!

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Originally by: Evthron Macyntire

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Please disregard this post. I am about to say something ******ed.

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Originally by: Crimsona Endarius

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Edited by: Crimsona Endarius on 06/05/2009 07:38:43

I too, have about 300 billion in liquid isk, and assets of about 200 billion, I'm an alt as well.

I say I rule.

You shouldn't try to beat me.

You look foolish if you do.

I win EVE.

Did I already mention I'm an alt?

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Originally by: Evthron Macyntire

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Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier

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Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 05/05/2009 22:07:23

Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Lots of ego stroking, stretching of the e-peen and purring in an imaginary fantasyworld made of clouds

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So, basicly, you say small fish look silly getting in to trading because there are big fishes like yourself. Does this mean they shouldn't try and learn? Should they not even try to compete because you have the wallet of gods that wins eve?

Basicly, all you did in the OP was boast about your wallet and how your glory outshines all the little people below you.

You stepped in to the lair of the market ancients, no one knows who you are, no one really cares who you are, you provide nothing constructive, nothing that benefits anyone, nothing that even remotely entertains the readers, and mainly just shows how arrogant you are.

So far you've managed to defend your views by mainly insulting people questioning you.

Your thread, in short, is spam and waste of space.

Welcome to MD.

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So you run your own store and Wal-mart moves in and sells at a loss to force you out of the market so they can retain their monopoly. Kinda like what the OP is doing with these small fishes. Sure I learn from mistakes, but I don't learn by fighting a losing battle, I get frustrated and stop playing. Maybe the OP is giving a fair warning?

But I thoroughly enjoy this thread. Watching the MD "elite" quiver because a successful nobody is telling them how he likes to play. Can't have that can we? My way or the highway.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Originally by: Robacz

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@OP
Hmmm, 225B / updating 4x a day / playing since 2003 ? I wouldn't brag about that.

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Sure, there are plenty of people who've been playing as long as me with far less. I used one account and probably 50 buy/sell orders up until a year ago. It wasn't until last year that I started heavily running the market and really acquiring BPOs.

I'd say last year I was at about 90b or so total. So turning that 90 into about 225 in a year is just fine by me.

Nice try though.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Originally by: Plumpy McPudding

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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While my OP is completely accurate, the whining flock of 'finanacial gurus' who came into the thread lead me to find some way to entertain myself while taking care of a sick kid home from school all day.

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I find it rather amusing, but also quite disturbing, you'd rather post a troll thread on the forums to entertain yourself, rather than spend some time with your own sick kid.

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Haha, the sick kid (when not barfing or sleeping) is sitting about 10 feet from Dad either playing Lego Indiana Jones, or working on make-up work, which prevents posting.

Nice try though!

/thread

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Originally by: Lecherito

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lol, using a kid to adjust market orders...that's a *brilliant* idea. Makes me want to jump the gun on having some. Now, how to convince the girlfriend...

-L

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Originally by: Plumpy McPudding

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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While my OP is completely accurate, the whining flock of 'finanacial gurus' who came into the thread lead me to find some way to entertain myself while taking care of a sick kid home from school all day.

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I find it rather amusing, but also quite disturbing, you'd rather post a troll thread on the forums to entertain yourself, rather than spend some time with your own sick kid.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Let the jealous, angry kids keep posting!

I shall sit back and enjoy myself.

As you were.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Let the jealous, angry kids keep posting!

I shall sit back and enjoy myself.

As you were.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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I shall sit back and enjoy myself.

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Originally by: SencneS

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Please, no, stop, not in front of your sick child, someone should call child services on this poor excuse for a father.

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Originally by: Evthron Macyntire

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So you run your own store and Wal-mart moves in and sells at a loss to force you out of the market so they can retain their monopoly. Kinda like what the OP is doing with these small fishes.

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Originally by: Isaac Swift

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Edited by: Isaac Swift on 06/05/2009 05:46:48

Originally by: Evthron Macyntire

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Please disregard this post. I am about to make myself look like a dillweed.

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No. No, the MD elite is not "quivering", and it's certainly not because the OP is telling them how play. Their reactions are from the fact that the OP is acting like an insufferable douchebag, stroking his e-peen and generally being a (successful) troll.

He's doing a fine job of looking like a fool on his own, no need to join him.

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Originally by: Dr Silkworth

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As I read this post I fingered the lone lump of megacyte in my pocket and looked over my shoulders as I tried to slip under the radar and buy another one. A few more would keep me in antimatter for the cold dark night ahead. All my belongings were back at some ugly old ladies gate camp. The toil of a months mining and scavenging for low priced ammo floating down from space had disappeared in an instant, My gut still quivered and my biceps twitched in an aperiodic timing. One trit and a noob ship! dumped between hostile systems, mining would have to wait till dusk. As big Fish circled round local the old defiant will to win again raised its head only to be struck hopeless by the Big Fish. In tumultous agony I realized I may Never again recapture the great moments of the past. There was an insistent yearning to enjoy life as we once did and a heartbreaking obsession that some new miracle of control would enable us to do it. Slowly as I realized I was becoming the subject of King FISH, a shivering denizen of his mad realm, the chilling vapor that is loneliness settled down. It thickened, ever becoming blacker.

In anguish I sought out sordid places, exotic dancers and quafe hoping to find understanding companionship and approval. Momentarily I would and then came oblivion and an awful awakening to face King Fish's hideous Four Horsemen - Terror, Bewilderment, Frustration, Despair.

All around darkness crowded out the fresh light of another day, I had missed my chance but today will be different I vow. Already it was... The enemy had a name.

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Originally by: Ulstan

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Edited by: Ulstan on 06/05/2009 22:24:54
Edited by: Ulstan on 06/05/2009 22:23:48

Originally by: Evthron Macyntire

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So you run your own store and Wal-mart moves in and sells at a loss to force you out of the market so they can retain their monopoly. Kinda like what the OP is doing with these small fishes.

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I'd also like to point out this really doesn't work. You can't really bankrupt someone in EVE like you can in real life. The barriers to entry for starting up a business IRL are steep. As are the costs of maintaining one.

Getting in and out of markets in EVE is trivially easy by comparison. If there is profit to be made, jump in. If someone drives the price to the point it's no longer profitable, simply leave your orders as they are. You really lose...nothing, provided you have enough isk and order slots.

You can let some guy sell at a loss for an entire year and then the *instant* he adjusts his prices so that there is profit to be made, you can jump right back in.

I don't know that there's a way to permanently get rid of a competitor who can accept a margin as small as you can. You can drive him off my making it unproftitable to be in that particular market, but there's nothing forcing him to stay out once it's profitable again.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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So, as a word of warning to those of you running the market who don't have the wallet or the tenacity to swim with the big fish - run missions for cash, or mine, or whatever you normally do, because playing the market requires some moxie and a decent wallet to back it up.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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I own several t2 BPOs, and have been trading and running the market since '03. I have about 25 bill liquid, and probably 200 bill in BPOs. Between three characters I run nearly 900 orders (305 on two characters), from backwater regions to hubs, cheap items to jump freighters. I'll work any portion of the market for a profit.

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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Edited by: Jinx Barker on 06/05/2009 23:00:38
I confirm: I am the 'small fish' in the OP.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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I will add to all of this that anyone claiming to regularly make billions a day is simply lying. Sure, one can make billions in a day, I've done it once or two when Lady Luck smiled upon me, but for the most part becoming stinking rich takes years of work.

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Originally by: Robacz

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@OP
Hmmm, 225B / updating 4x a day / playing since 2003 ? I wouldn't brag about that.

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Originally by: Motivated Prophet

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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I will add to all of this that anyone claiming to regularly make billions a day is simply lying. Sure, one can make billions in a day, I've done it once or two when Lady Luck smiled upon me, but for the most part becoming stinking rich takes years of work.

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I was going to post in response to this, but then Rob summed it up so much better, so I'll just quote him for emphasis, instead:

Originally by: Robacz

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@OP
Hmmm, 225B / updating 4x a day / playing since 2003 ? I wouldn't brag about that.

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MP

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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My God, not only is this thread still going, but it's being bumped by people like the one above who don't even bother to read.

Had they done so they'd realize I didn't really run the market seriously till last year, when I started with 90b. So if you had/could read the thread you'd have realized I turned 90b into 225b in a little under a year, playing maximum of 20 hours a week. Not to mention I missed a month when traveling overseas.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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My God, not only is this thread still going, but it's being bumped by people like the one above who don't even bother to read.

Had they done so they'd realize I didn't really run the market seriously till last year, when I started with 90b. So if you had/could read the thread you'd have realized I turned 90b into 225b in a little under a year, playing maximum of 20 hours a week. Not to mention I missed a month when traveling overseas.

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Now I know your trolling

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Originally by: Motivated Prophet

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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I will add to all of this that anyone claiming to regularly make billions a day is simply lying. Sure, one can make billions in a day, I've done it once or two when Lady Luck smiled upon me, but for the most part becoming stinking rich takes years of work.

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I was going to post in response to this, but then Rob summed it up so much better, so I'll just quote him for emphasis, instead:

Originally by: Robacz

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@OP
Hmmm, 225B / updating 4x a day / playing since 2003 ? I wouldn't brag about that.

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MP

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My God, not only is this thread still going, but it's being bumped by people like the one above who don't even bother to read.

Had they done so they'd realize I didn't really run the market seriously till last year, when I started with 90b. So if you had/could read the thread you'd have realized I turned 90b into 225b in a little under a year, playing maximum of 20 hours a week. Not to mention I missed a month when traveling overseas.

However, I'm still thoroughly enjoying seeing the bitter and jealous posts made by kids who just can't help themselves. Keep them coming! I never thought the thread would be this active!

Keep dancing puppets!

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Originally by: Motivated Prophet

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bitter, bitter tears

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Originally by: Robacz

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@OP
Hmmm, 225B / updating 4x a day / playing since 2003 ? I wouldn't brag about that.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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Keep the bitterness and the fiction coming, puppets!

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Originally by: Jukhta Mein

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Deep down, the OP must be disappointed at how this thread went, the criticisms he initially got, thus the cover-up as a troll or puppetmaster.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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I'm posting this thread with an alt as my corp and few alt characters would likely become some target of angst for being critical of some folks. However, while some of this may sound derogatory, it's more advice than anything.

I own several t2 BPOs, and have been trading and running the market since '03. I have about 25 bill liquid, and probably 200 bill in BPOs. Between three characters I run nearly 900 orders (305 on two characters), from backwater regions to hubs, cheap items to jump freighters. I'll work any portion of the market for a profit.

However, lately more than ever I see lots of very new characters (with the unlikely possibility that older players are running them) working their way into certain portions of the market. Seeing them try to play hardball with market vets is pretty funny.

For example, the last few days I've had a few 2 and 3 month old characters invest in buying 20 to 30 units of items that run ~ 100k to 1m or so. I normally update my orders about 4 times a day, sometimes more, rarely less. It's always funny to watch these small fish try to play the .01 isk game when I'll happily push a buy order up 50k or 100k at a time, and this is when I have a buy order in for 500 to 1000 of the commodity.

If you run your market operations like this - here's a word of advice - doing so makes you look foolish. I know you don't have much liquid behind you to play hardball, and I'll happily buy and sell at a loss to see you leave the market. It's particularly funny when you drop your buy order, I drop my buy order price to its original value, and you reopen another buy order. Your broker loves the free money, and I get a laugh.

However, even if you stay in the market I'll happily make a 10 isk profit (or buy/sell at a loss) on a 1m isk item just to see your buy order sit there and get stale, all the while a decent chunk of your wallet sits in that buy order playing some battle of attrition that you won't win.

To be honest, I could simply lose money on the market indefinitely and compensate for it buy falling back on t2 sales from my BPOs. If you think you're going to push into my market by playing the .01 isk game a few times a day - you're sorely mistaken. I don't need more money. Hell, I can hardly invest my liquid in anything other than more t2 BPOs, and my factory slots are full. I play the market for PVP, as my mains PVP full time (shoot æem up PVP, not market).

So, as a word of warning to those of you running the market who don't have the wallet or the tenacity to swim with the big fish - run missions for cash, or mine, or whatever you normally do, because playing the market requires some moxie and a decent wallet to back it up.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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If you run your market operations like this - here's a word of advice - doing so makes you look foolish. I know you don't have much liquid behind you to play hardball, and I'll happily buy and sell at a loss to see you leave the market. It's particularly funny when you drop your buy order, I drop my buy order price to its original value, and you reopen another buy order. Your broker loves the free money, and I get a laugh.

However, even if you stay in the market I'll happily make a 10 isk profit (or buy/sell at a loss) on a 1m isk item just to see your buy order sit there and get stale, all the while a decent chunk of your wallet sits in that buy order playing some battle of attrition that you won't win.

I play the market for PVP, as my mains PVP full time (shoot æem up PVP, not market).

So, as a word of warning to those of you running the market who don't have the wallet or the tenacity to swim with the big fish - run missions for cash, or mine, or whatever you normally do, because playing the market requires some moxie and a decent wallet to back it up.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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I'm posting this thread with an alt as my corp and few alt characters would likely become some target of angst for being critical of some folks. However, while some of this may sound derogatory, it's more advice than anything.

I own several t2 BPOs, and have been trading and running the market since '03. I have about 25 bill liquid, and probably 200 bill in BPOs. Between three characters I run nearly 900 orders (305 on two characters), from backwater regions to hubs, cheap items to jump freighters. I'll work any portion of the market for a profit.

However, lately more than ever I see lots of very new characters (with the unlikely possibility that older players are running them) working their way into certain portions of the market. Seeing them try to play hardball with market vets is pretty funny.

For example, the last few days I've had a few 2 and 3 month old characters invest in buying 20 to 30 units of items that run ~ 100k to 1m or so. I normally update my orders about 4 times a day, sometimes more, rarely less. It's always funny to watch these small fish try to play the .01 isk game when I'll happily push a buy order up 50k or 100k at a time, and this is when I have a buy order in for 500 to 1000 of the commodity.

If you run your market operations like this - here's a word of advice - doing so makes you look foolish. I know you don't have much liquid behind you to play hardball, and I'll happily buy and sell at a loss to see you leave the market. It's particularly funny when you drop your buy order, I drop my buy order price to its original value, and you reopen another buy order. Your broker loves the free money, and I get a laugh.

However, even if you stay in the market I'll happily make a 10 isk profit (or buy/sell at a loss) on a 1m isk item just to see your buy order sit there and get stale, all the while a decent chunk of your wallet sits in that buy order playing some battle of attrition that you won't win.

To be honest, I could simply lose money on the market indefinitely and compensate for it buy falling back on t2 sales from my BPOs. If you think you're going to push into my market by playing the .01 isk game a few times a day - you're sorely mistaken. I don't need more money. Hell, I can hardly invest my liquid in anything other than more t2 BPOs, and my factory slots are full. I play the market for PVP, as my mains PVP full time (shoot æem up PVP, not market).

So, as a word of warning to those of you running the market who don't have the wallet or the tenacity to swim with the big fish - run missions for cash, or mine, or whatever you normally do, because playing the market requires some moxie and a decent wallet to back it up.

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Originally by: Owl Algernon

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obvious market small fish who are upset I've taken 90b and turned it into 225b in a year with little playtime.

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Originally by: PostmasterGeneral

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i think the OP is a p cool guy. eh strokes his traeder epeen and doesn't afraid of anything

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Originally by: Idocrase

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The grass is always greener on the other side, unless Chuck Norris has been there. In that case the grass is most likely soaked in blood and tears.

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