Greetings capsuleer Arragossa,

I only show disdain for stupidity, self-aggrandised politics and incessant whining. Anything else will get the love and attention it truely deserves.

As I indicated earlier, miners are the bedrock upon which my Rifter is built. You have my appreciation for the mundane activities you engage in.

If you re-read some of it you will see I suggested cooperative operations, taking the opportunity to fly escort for other miners on a rotational basis and other mechanisms whereby you as the capsuleer can increase your enjoyment in the most mundane of activities. Well, most mundane shy of managing a planetary colony. The volume of complaints a colonist generates is only outstripped by the amount of excrement they leave behind.

This will give you pre-emptive engagement while CCP thinks through the proposals that are made in Features and Ideas and engage with the participating and cooperative members of the CSM to engage with the other capsuleers.

Think of it.

You could gather a group of miners, gang fit and venture in the more profitable regions of space. A few to fly escort and you will be running lightning mining raids across hostile territory, thieving the minerals from the very scum that has tried to shut down mining across New Eden.

Is this not a noble task? Is it not engaging and entertaining? And you can do that now.

Regards,

Shian Yang

Dearest darling capsuleer;

Not to be so anal...but truely is spelled truly. I will not address the other bad aspects of your spelling of other words in your return correspondents. For this is not a discussion about spelling. I will however address your thought that I must participate in an aspect of this game that involves using armed vessels. Some of us that live in EVE space are not the aggressive type and would rather do our jobs in peace. I as a miner eek out a meager living in this cold harsh world that is EVE, despite threat of suicide gankers. Is that not enough of a sacrifice as a non-combative person? Why would I wish to endure unnecessary stress by putting myself, and my corp mates, in harms way by actively seeking to provoke an attack by people I do not wish to harm me or bring harm to them? As I miner I am a pacifist.

Just as the great miners of old that sailed on such vessels as the grand Nostromo. We miners tend to only resort to violence when put into extraordinary circumstances that we deem detrimental to the lives of our friends, mates, and cats - even then we prefer to run when we can - but if we must we prefer to take off and nuke said aggressors from orbit. Unfortunately in the current time and place we live in we do not have the colonial marines to come to our aid. Not that they were much help mind you, but they did have the means to dispatch of an aggressor - though they were not intelligent enough to use it at the time until their ranks were down to two. Typical problem people of violence tend to have is less brain cells than others. Be that as it may, and back on the topic at hand, I am not the violent type of person, as is the case of most miners, we're peaceful people and we prefer to extrapolate our living by finding and extricating the much valued ore that is needed in the many things that a society needs in order to sustain itself.

If you wish to pursue an avenue of violence and destruction - please continue to do so. I, on the other hand, will lovingly continue to pursue a non-aggressive form of endeavor.

Regards and with all sincerity,

Saia Tae Arragossa

Ladies and gentlemen, this is the definition of "risk-averse player"

Very much so. I wish to mine in peace. Why would I wish to bring harm to others? Space is a huge place. There is room for all - not just a chosen few or those that only wish to bring death and destruction to it. Buy a flower today. You need it I think.

There sure is room for everyone, and your wreck and your frozen corpse, too!

Multiple frozen corpses, even..

Exactly! There is room for every body!

For some of you, this must really boil your turnips. I mean a player that participates in an aspect of the game you despise. I realize that your aggression is part of your knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, genetic make-up, but I have to wonder if maybe someone hasn't recently flavored your breakfast cereal with yellow #1.

Very much so. I wish to mine in peace. Why would I wish to bring harm to others? Space is a huge place. There is room for all - not just a chosen few or those that only wish to bring death and destruction to it. Buy a flower today. You need it I think.

Haha, it really doesn't **** us off. In fact, it makes us happy that you don't want to shoot back. It just makes things so much simpler.

Fun fact: I mine in nullsec and don't do all that much shooting of people. It doesn't upset my alliance bros, but they do give me **** about it.

You mean you don't think it's great to join Boat ops to shoot POS?

Serious question: If you are completely against taking any chances in the game, other than from gankers, because that would happen anywhere, why do you think you deserve anything but the smallest fraction of an income?

What you think this is about ISK?

This is about making an aspect of the game more interesting and less a coma inducing activity. I have not once said anything regarding the fact that mining is one of the least ISK producing professions in game. It is far more lucrative to participate in any number of other forms of activity in this game to make ISK. No this is not about making ISK. It is about making a profession in this game more interactive and engaging.

Maybe if I were drunk or otherwise in an altered state of consciousness.

Isn't Hulkageddon engaging enough for you? You've posted so many threads about it already.

I can see we're on totally different pages of a book. In fact I think you're reading a whole different volume. Maybe a little time off might be in order. :)

I admit I tried mining. More isk per hour would be great (I pvp for fun though - shooting POS is great!)

Everyone in Goonfleet used to mine, back when it actually made money. Mittani even talked about being proud of owning a Hulk.

I wish I could quit you.

Actually, I wish I could thumbs up this more. Only so many thumbs

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That's not bad, actually. Hmmmmmm

If you wish to pursue an avenue of violence and destruction - please continue to do so. I, on the other hand, will lovingly continue to pursue a non-aggressive form of endeavor.

I believe that and I think we've seen some recent events to make my case.

Negative - its been proven that the only time stuff happens in EVE is people whine on the forums.

Mining is fine as it is and no more boring than, say, mission running.

There are a couple of different ressources, places and methods to mine which all need a different subset of support skills.

And building up a dedicated mining operation, fleet, corporation can be as rewarding as doing the same with warships. In the end everything comes down to organization, coordination and logistics - some people thrive on that no matter the actual purpose.

I do not feel that Industry has been left out, I also do not feel that Industrialists are the punching bag of all of EVE. Most of that is just forum echoes by a handful of haters or whiners.

What I do feel is that some Industrialists lack the imagination to do it right. Anyone who is ganked in a belt in an expensive ship is probably careless, or stubborn, or too ignorant of what's going on (benefit of the doubt: might have a cunning business plan).

Skipped the entire thread except the first page. My post is an all over the place rant but tldr: nerfing highsec ore will "fix" mining.

Mining is boring alone. Why anyone mines alone, I have no idea.

Mining has enough ships, mods, etc. It's fine there.

What mining needs is a reason to mine in a group and take risks in low sec and null sec. It needs a reason to hold ops out there, with a real fleet with a real purpose, with PVPers to guard the ships and actual excitement. That's how mining should be. A bunch of ships being baby sat by PVPers until it gets hot dropped and all the miners run and the PVPers fight until someone wins and then everyone goes and reships and repeats this process.

Mine, Build, Destroy.

All ore needs to be removed from 0.8- 1.0 and 0.5 - 0.7 needs to only have veld. Low sec and null sec should remain unchanged. This solves the biggest reason people hate mining. This would force people to figure out how to get ore from more dangerous areas, force them to fleet up and work together as a team and actually do something other than sit around semi-afk watching TV and printing ISK.

Time for miners to realize this game is not supposed to be easy mode. Also it's an MMORPG, you're supposed to play with other people not sit in a belt by yourself bitching because the game is boring because you chose to do the most boring thing in it.

My friends and I will never stop ganking high sec miners until this is done. Mining should not be easy mode autopilot afk ISK.

Also, if mining is so terrible you have to whine around to make it better why do you do it? Just stop doing it if you don't like it. Duh? Why do people insist on doing something that isn't enjoyable and then ***** to have it made their way. If you don't like mining TRY SOMETHING ELSE.

All ore needs to be removed from 0.8- 1.0 and 0.5 - 0.7 needs to only have veld. Low sec and null sec should remain unchanged. This solves the biggest reason people hate mining.

Itd also fix one of the biggest QQs about this game: PVP

So little east access ore wold make ships insanely expensive and kill PVP

Other than in alliances with moon goo.... hey...

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Itd also fix one of the biggest QQs about this game: PVP

So little east access ore wold make ships insanely expensive and kill PVP

Other than in alliances with moon goo.... hey...

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