You do realize the exact purpose of my idea is to make mining profitable in low and null. You said you would love it if it was like that again, this is the only way it will happen, to give people no choice but to mine there. Trit is important, Veld is important. It will always sell. It stays in high sec. People that really want to just be solo can mine away at it. Everyone else can go to low or null and have some fun.

No, clearly it's because Issler knows all about mining and we don't as we're not the ~true miner class~.

That's why you'll never make a good suggestion and only people like that can.

No, clearly it's because Issler knows all about mining and we don't as we're not the ~true miner class~.

That's why you'll never make a good suggestion and only people like that can.

i dunno why this thread has 10+ pages. Anyone who trys to argue that mining doesn't need fixed is trolling. Should have died after the first page with people just saying "yep, ccp hates miners. nothing we can do."

I see, so because I point out there folks in Eve that will never go to low sec, WHs or null, its not "their" way, its my way...

Your head must be a very confused place to live. My point is that some folks here are trying to dictate playing styles that THEY think are the only correct ones.

I love ideas that make mining in low sec more attractive, but the person that suggested their initial idea of forcing folks to low sec because forcing them is the only way they will go made my point for me. To do that is to impose someone else's idea of how Eve has to play on folks that don't agree.

So sure, my way or the highway and my way is which ever way each player decides they want to enjoy Eve! Makes me a pretty bad dictator.

Oh, and as to why I might know something about what miners like in Eve, maybe its because I've running a mining corp that has lived null,. WHs, low sec and high sec for eight years. I must have some of it right.

Issler
My way, or the Highway! Or your way... if you'd prefer!

LOL i agree but some have proven to give some ideas that may help improve mining though i suggested that there should be Player Mining Contracts so industry corporations have a purpose to mining ore or ice

I can't tell if you are trolling or just an idiot, pretty sure it's the latter. The goal of mining is to take minerals and build things or sell for ISK. Mining contracts would just be mining for minerals to sell. What?

This already exists, it's called a "want to buy" contract.

You obviously dont think outside the box ofcourse theres Buy Order everyone knows that. What i was suggesting is that Corporations need ore to construct ships mods ect so they create an Contract saying they need this this and this, then a mining corp says ok this we can do lets do this and complete the contract and get paid.

For example say you wanted 40mil tritanium, 10mil pyrite and 5 mill in Mexilon and you dont have miners to do it so you set up a contract to hire miners to do it for you and you pay them for the ore and now you have the mats you need for construction.

Buy orders are only for miners wanting to sell ore to people for the highest price. This does not help miners with goals other than giving minere isk in their pockets. While Mining contracts are goals for miners to take on contracts to help improve themselves and other corporations and being recommended for more contracts you complete. Also gives competiton to other mining corporations.

I see no difference.

Make a want to buy contract for those 3 minerals and tada. Same. Exact. Thing.

Sure, if you want to spend more to beat other buy orders and probably wait days, weeks or months before your buy order/s is complete.

While in a contract he could have his order done in a day or 2

Pay attention. I did not say buy order. I said a want to buy contract.

And no one would sell for less than Jita sell anyway because that would be stupid.

One difference is the contract means they must give you that exact amount of things. You don't find yourseld 5 trit short, or find that you got the trit and pyerite, but no mexallon.

If you don't give better than buy orders, :welp: and if you do, someone might arbitrage you. Presumably you don't care if it was mined or just autopilot freighter-ed from whereever.

The way he made it sound that is exactly what he wants. "Bring me x and y and z. No more, no less"

No matter how he wants it no one will ever sell for less than market.

Ziranda Hakuli, you do realize they are the ones buying your ships and minerals you are selling in high sec?

It's a never ending cycle. My proposal does make them work for it. It makes everyone work for it.

Right now you do NOT work for what you mine. You semi-afk and watch TV, youtube, or something else. It's zero effort. It's not playing, it's afking. It's the game you "play" while playing other games.

You act as if the game revolves around your playstyle. It doesn't.

Oh but it does. It really does.

If it didn't you wouldn't be making these whine threads about mining being crap.

The way I see it, the only way to make mining respectable/needed is to:
1) remove every mineral from the game so that those huge stores are gone.
2) make roids rare.

Yeah, lets just remove all those minerals that people own. That'll be perfectly fine and not intervening in a massive way.

Maybe next, all Catalysts and Tornados deleted?

+1 excellent troll.

Rather serious actually.

Mining will never be respected until miners (as a group) stop whining and learn how to adapt to changing conditions.
They have a way to mine and be 99.9% safe from ganking, yet they choose to sit afk/stationary because it is easier.


And since changing human behavior is very difficult (as proven by the lack of adaptation by the lazy miners), making miners needed is the closest thing we could get.

And the only way to do that is to use up the massive stores of minerals.

I really do not see why there is so much hate toward the mining profession. Seriously, is mining really so detrimental to how others play that game? All CCP needs to do is put some creative thought into how mining is accomplished in this game to make it more interactive.