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ElQuirko Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements. 669	Posted - 2012.05.08 17:48:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Goliath wrote: As promised, here are a list of the features that are going to Sisi this Wednesday afternoon. Most are still work in progress but please give your feedback in this thread and the teams will monitor it as best they can. Game of Drones: Revamped the Inventory: This affects: -Managing corporation items in a station -All item management from POS structures done in space on grid -All Inventory management in space (wrecks, opening other ship locations, etc) -All Inventory management in stations (items, ships) -This change does NOT affect the ASSETS window Revamped FW: -LP for kills -Bunkers are now infrastructure hubs -LP for all FW actions (capturing complexes, capturing infrastructures hubs, etc) -New FW front page -Consequences for capturing systems/regions (benefits for you, grief for your enemy) -Capturing FW system affect SOV ownership -Map filters for FW have been revamped TriLambda: GÇóNew missile launchers and launch effects GÇóNew missiles, trails and explosions GÇóNew Stealth Bombers oManticore oNemesis oPurifier oHound GÇóAmarr V3 oAll sub capital Amarr ships, excluding T3 cruisers. Avatar: "14 different skintypes have been added to the Character Creator. This allows all bloodlines to have a wide range of skincolors. These skintypes replace the previous skintones that allowed players to modify their skincolor a little bit. A character can keep his/her current skintone, but as soon as a skintype has been applied and the character saved, one of the new skintypes has to be used. The skintypes can only be applied with full recustomization, that is when you also have the option to resculpt your character, but the plan is to give everyone an optional full recustomization when this goes on TQ." Super Friends: GÇóUpdated Kill Reports (aka Kill Mails) GÇóDifferent war cost GÇóCorp CEO/Director declares wars, no voting required GÇóAlliance wars transfer to corps leaving GÇóNo automatic war retraction by aggressor GÇóWars last for week by default GÇóEither side can offer surrender in a war GÇóThe defending side can get allies to help GÇóThere is a place for people to find prospective allies/clients GÇóPlayers can now more easily track the war in the War Report GÇóAll corps have publicly viewable war history GÇóDrone Damage module (Extrinsic Damage Amplifier) GÇóCPU Rigs (Small/Medium/Large Processor Overclocking Unit) GÇóFueled Shield booster (Small/Medium/Large Ancillary Shield Booster), using Cap Boosters as charges GÇóLight and Medium Web drones GÇóResistance shifting armor hardener (Armor Adaptive Hardener) Super Friends have their own dedicated feedback thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=104114&find=unread Seems to me like the biggest updates in this expansion are visual and fixing what needed to be fixed. Fixing what needed to be fixed - great, but hardly the "massive revolution" CCP claimed Inferno was going to be, and not quite enough to fix the system. Visual? Woo! Space barbie! We all know where that went last time... My point being - this expansion seems to leave a little to be desired. Sure, some people might like the game to change a bit and make goonswarm cost billions a week to wardec (not that there's much point doing it anyway). Me, I like shiny. The new BCs were nice, but why not follow up? Titan tracking changes still give us no counter. How about some shiny new caps? And what happened to the new "ship lines"? All in all, a couple of modules, some visual effects and some gameplay changes don't really constitute an expansion, unless you're following the model of games like The Sims. Pretty sure EVE is better than that. Also, y u no cap booster for armour rep module? CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
adam smash University of Caille Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2012.05.08 17:54:00 - [2] - Quote Cause its CCP lol... Minor WoT update http://worldoftanks.com/news/1246-73-update/ list is longer than CCP's huge game changing update lol. WoWp also got an update in april adding 10 planes + a tons of fixs for the alpha... I guess CCP has dust they are jerking off with... lol O ya really sad part is 7.2 was about 1 month ago LOL... CCP 2x expansions a year! WoT... 1 epic patch per month! lol
Kurai Okala Okala Corp 18	Posted - 2012.05.08 17:59:00 - [3] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: CCP Goliath wrote: As promised, here are a list of the features that are going to Sisi this Wednesday afternoon. Most are still work in progress but please give your feedback in this thread and the teams will monitor it as best they can. Game of Drones: Revamped the Inventory: This affects: -Managing corporation items in a station -All item management from POS structures done in space on grid -All Inventory management in space (wrecks, opening other ship locations, etc) -All Inventory management in stations (items, ships) -This change does NOT affect the ASSETS window Revamped FW: -LP for kills -Bunkers are now infrastructure hubs -LP for all FW actions (capturing complexes, capturing infrastructures hubs, etc) -New FW front page -Consequences for capturing systems/regions (benefits for you, grief for your enemy) -Capturing FW system affect SOV ownership -Map filters for FW have been revamped TriLambda: GÇóNew missile launchers and launch effects GÇóNew missiles, trails and explosions GÇóNew Stealth Bombers oManticore oNemesis oPurifier oHound GÇóAmarr V3 oAll sub capital Amarr ships, excluding T3 cruisers. Avatar: "14 different skintypes have been added to the Character Creator. This allows all bloodlines to have a wide range of skincolors. These skintypes replace the previous skintones that allowed players to modify their skincolor a little bit. A character can keep his/her current skintone, but as soon as a skintype has been applied and the character saved, one of the new skintypes has to be used. The skintypes can only be applied with full recustomization, that is when you also have the option to resculpt your character, but the plan is to give everyone an optional full recustomization when this goes on TQ." Super Friends: GÇóUpdated Kill Reports (aka Kill Mails) GÇóDifferent war cost GÇóCorp CEO/Director declares wars, no voting required GÇóAlliance wars transfer to corps leaving GÇóNo automatic war retraction by aggressor GÇóWars last for week by default GÇóEither side can offer surrender in a war GÇóThe defending side can get allies to help GÇóThere is a place for people to find prospective allies/clients GÇóPlayers can now more easily track the war in the War Report GÇóAll corps have publicly viewable war history GÇóDrone Damage module (Extrinsic Damage Amplifier) GÇóCPU Rigs (Small/Medium/Large Processor Overclocking Unit) GÇóFueled Shield booster (Small/Medium/Large Ancillary Shield Booster), using Cap Boosters as charges GÇóLight and Medium Web drones GÇóResistance shifting armor hardener (Armor Adaptive Hardener) Super Friends have their own dedicated feedback thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=104114&find=unread Seems to me like the biggest updates in this expansion are visual and fixing what needed to be fixed. Fixing what needed to be fixed - great, but hardly the "massive revolution" CCP claimed Inferno was going to be, and not quite enough to fix the system. Visual? Woo! Space barbie! We all know where that went last time... My point being - this expansion seems to leave a little to be desired. Sure, some people might like the game to change a bit and make goonswarm cost billions a week to wardec (not that there's much point doing it anyway). Me, I like shiny. The new BCs were nice, but why not follow up? Titan tracking changes still give us no counter. How about some shiny new caps? And what happened to the new "ship lines"? All in all, a couple of modules, some visual effects and some gameplay changes don't really constitute an expansion, unless you're following the model of games like The Sims. Pretty sure EVE is better than that. Also, y u no cap booster for armour rep module? There is not much in this expansion that gets me excited but I don't think that is because Inferno a substandard expansion. I just realize that not every expansion is going to be a "game changer" for me personally. EVE is very broad so each new feature and improvement will only affect a portion of the player base (execpt for "unsexy" stuff like inventory management upgrades)
Jack bubu GK inc. Pandemic Legion 327	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:02:00 - [4] - Quote adam smash wrote: Cause its CCP lol... Minor WoT update http://worldoftanks.com/news/1246-73-update/ list is longer than CCP's huge game changing update lol. WoWp also got an update in april adding 10 planes + a tons of fixs for the alpha... I guess CCP has dust they are jerking off with... lol O ya really sad part is 7.2 was about 1 month ago LOL... CCP 2x expansions a year! WoT... 1 epic patch per month! lol EVE updates arent about adding new ships every time, they are about updating/adding new mechanics for us to play with.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1819	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:02:00 - [5] - Quote adam smash wrote: Cause its CCP lol... Minor WoT update http://worldoftanks.com/news/1246-73-update/ list is longer than CCP's huge game changing update lol. WoWp also got an update in april adding 10 planes + a tons of fixs for the alpha... I guess CCP has dust they are jerking off with... lol O ya really sad part is 7.2 was about 1 month ago LOL... CCP 2x expansions a year! WoT... 1 epic patch per month! lol You do realize that 7.2 was due out months ago right? You might also consider that the above list is not complete, and is not detailed in any way. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
zama118 Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi 20	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:03:00 - [6] - Quote umm that is just a list for changes to sisi last wednesday the full patch list far longer and prob have a surpise or two in it (CCP offten do that) dont get too worked up over sisi changes 9 times out of 10 they are not mirror of the patch
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 2348	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:04:00 - [7] - Quote Just to pointing out few obvious things. First, those aren't patch notes. They're generic and incomplete bulletpoints of what was new in the SiSi build. Second, many of those are reworking/fixing some of the basic problems that have been neglected for years and reworking them has been requested for a long time. EDIT: Beaten to it
adam smash University of Caille Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:06:00 - [8] - Quote Yes I do, dont care... they took time not to ** it up like CCP... CCP rushs out ** full of bugs... server reboots, crashes... Games running smooth to me. Also lul... about new ships... New tanks Rebalance New maps Bug fixs March was a HUGE change + again tanks maps fixs... Sorry but eve is just failing more and more... let's see the game get out of beta. Why do pods still come out of warp too far from the gates to jump at warp to 0 Why can I not jump because I am cloaked... Etc etc etc...
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6483	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:10:00 - [9] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: Seems to me like the biggest updates in this expansion are visual and fixing what needed to be fixed. Fixing what needed to be fixed - great, but hardly the "massive revolution" CCP claimed Inferno was going to be, and not quite enough to fix the system. The wardec fix is pretty darn massive in terms of how it will change EVE, especially when combined with Crimewatch 2.0 (which apparently won't be in that sisi patch). GÇªgranted, it will be a bad massive change with the current pricing structure, but it will be massive none the less. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1819	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:15:00 - [10] - Quote adam smash wrote: Yes I do, dont care... they took time not to ** it up like CCP... CCP rushs out ** full of bugs... server reboots, crashes... Games running smooth to me. Also lul... about new ships... New tanks Rebalance New maps Bug fixs March was a HUGE change + again tanks maps fixs... Sorry but eve is just failing more and more... let's see the game get out of beta. Why do pods still come out of warp too far from the gates to jump at warp to 0 Why can I not jump because I am cloaked... Etc etc etc... I like WOT, and it was a decent update, but you probably don't really want to discuss all of the screw ups, the map fiasco, the still borked MM system, etc. etc. etc. You might consider that occasionally being "just" out of range to jump isn't necessarily unintended, and that the ability to jump when cloaked is something intentionally not allowed for game balance reasons. Now stop trolling with the WOT crap and innane comments. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1819	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:16:00 - [11] - Quote Tippia wrote: ElQuirko wrote: Seems to me like the biggest updates in this expansion are visual and fixing what needed to be fixed. Fixing what needed to be fixed - great, but hardly the "massive revolution" CCP claimed Inferno was going to be, and not quite enough to fix the system. The wardec fix is pretty darn massive in terms of how it will change EVE, especially when combined with Crimewatch 2.0 (which apparently won't be in that sisi patch). GÇªgranted, it will be a bad massive change with the current pricing structure, but it will be massive none the less. I understand the reasoning behind the new pricing structure, but I"m not sure if it is worth the other issues it will bring. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Serge Bastana GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated 453	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:17:00 - [12] - Quote adam smash wrote: Yes I do, dont care... they took time not to ** it up like CCP... CCP rushs out ** full of bugs... server reboots, crashes... Games running smooth to me. Also lul... about new ships... New tanks Rebalance New maps Bug fixs March was a HUGE change + again tanks maps fixs... Sorry but eve is just failing more and more... let's see the game get out of beta. Why do pods still come out of warp too far from the gates to jump at warp to 0 Why can I not jump because I am cloaked... Etc etc etc... Oh, it's you. Such a surprise to see you railing against CCP. How long has WoT been going again? WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1819	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:20:00 - [13] - Quote Serge Bastana wrote: adam smash wrote: Yes I do, dont care... they took time not to ** it up like CCP... CCP rushs out ** full of bugs... server reboots, crashes... Games running smooth to me. Also lul... about new ships... New tanks Rebalance New maps Bug fixs March was a HUGE change + again tanks maps fixs... Sorry but eve is just failing more and more... let's see the game get out of beta. Why do pods still come out of warp too far from the gates to jump at warp to 0 Why can I not jump because I am cloaked... Etc etc etc... Oh, it's you. Such a surprise to see you railing against CCP. How long has WoT been going again? It is kind of like comparing a paper airplane with a F-16 isn't it... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 97	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:23:00 - [14] - Quote "CCP should focus on fixing what's broken over shiny" "CCP should focus on shiny over fixes" can't have both.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 625	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:27:00 - [15] - Quote Tippia wrote: ElQuirko wrote: Seems to me like the biggest updates in this expansion are visual and fixing what needed to be fixed. Fixing what needed to be fixed - great, but hardly the "massive revolution" CCP claimed Inferno was going to be, and not quite enough to fix the system. The wardec fix is pretty darn massive in terms of how it will change EVE, especially when combined with Crimewatch 2.0 (which apparently won't be in that sisi patch). GÇªgranted, it will be a bad massive change with the current pricing structure, but it will be massive none the less. Aha! But if you ask bad for who, the forums will be in uproar. Outrage! Ass pains! And so on. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
ElQuirko Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements. 669	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:36:00 - [16] - Quote Vera Algaert wrote: "CCP should focus on fixing what's broken over shiny" "CCP should focus on shiny over fixes" can't have both. I believe you'll find all I want is shiny. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
Dbars Grinding Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 499	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:36:00 - [17] - Quote standard no feature expansion. nothing to see here move along. I have more space likes than you.-á
Zimmy Zeta Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects 1018	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:41:00 - [18] - Quote Aren't ccp still planing to remove the tiers of some ship classes with inferno, to make every ship useful in its role? Now that would be a massive change, even if only frigates were affected... -.-
Testerxnot Sheepherder Treasures Collectors 185	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:44:00 - [19] - Quote I like most of what I see, although it wouldn't hurt to haz more features... The inventory revamp is god damn awesome! While the avatar skin colors and new missile effects are certainly anything but neccessary nor celebrated.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6484	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:45:00 - [20] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: I understand the reasoning behind the new pricing structure, but I"m not sure if it is worth the other issues it will bring. I understand it too. I just think it's nonsense and I'm sure it's not not worth the other issues it will bring. In particular, I'm a bit annoyed how they present this list of design goals and then choose a design that very actively does the exact opposite of those goals. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1819	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:46:00 - [21] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Aren't ccp still planing to remove the tiers of some ship classes with inferno, to make every ship useful in its role? Now that would be a massive change, even if only frigates were affected... I could be wrong, but I don't think that will be coming in Inferno. It will involve a huge amount of work and probably some new hulls to be added (destroyers) at the same time... they said they would do frigate/destroyer and possibly cruiser first (I think). When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 132	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:52:00 - [22] - Quote Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote: I like most of what I see, although it wouldn't hurt to haz more features... The inventory revamp is god damn awesome! While the avatar skin colors and new missile effects are certainly anything but neccessary nor celebrated. Your opinion on missiles certainly isn't shared by everyone considering the reaction to the videos at fanfest
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1618	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:53:00 - [23] - Quote It's still hardly Tiericide anyway. So long as you have one ship that is better than the other in each category, there will be tiers. Either way I still don't understand the logic behind complaining about stuff that is happening for free. I have still yet to see CCP charge anybody for an expansion. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX!
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 173	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:56:00 - [24] - Quote Judge the product, not the process. CCP can feel free to ignore my trolls. Until Inferno is out, I'm just rattling their bones when I gripe and complain. Usually I am yelling and screaming because I would rather not see alot of hard work go to waste. It's great that they did such a good job with missile turets and stealth bombers but to then stealth nerf them with a TD penalty I see them ending up like assault frigates. A 1 week sensation that is forgotten so easy.
adam smash University of Caille Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:57:00 - [25] - Quote O how long WoT been around let me check... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0y2wmE4lMo 1 year... let's see the stats (lol) And for the past year, the army of tankmen has grown to 24 million registered users, who took part in way over 350 million battles, fired 75 billion shots with 48 billion hits, destroying almost 8 billion armored vehicles. 24million accounts LOL... okay. So age what again? 9 years of eve... still tons of bugs... WoT the largest complaint is MM... funny coming from eve players... Eve is bugs... crashing... can't jump, other BS people call not bugs... if I press jump... why does the thing not jump, not move... just sits? maybe the button should be removed then... WoT is blah I can't see a tank who has camo Everything in this match is bigger than me... HUGE bugs guys HUGE lol. Just waiting to see if they really put pysics in the game... if so ROFL eve just needs to give up already... The new wardec system is broken from the start... LOL... HUGE alliance can attack anyone... they have the isk and the cost is NOTHING anyways lol Small guy who maybe wants to do what he can... hit and run things... ya NEVER GONA HAPPEN. Goons vs a 100man alliance will be like what 50mill? 100man vs goons would be what? 1billion or something? Ya war dec system is fixed... O and you cant shed the dec so... when a huge alliance or just a much larger one attacks... your ******... might as well just quit... And good luck getting back at them if they drop the dec... you can't afford to dec... Seems fixed to me.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6486	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:58:00 - [26] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote: The inventory revamp is god damn awesome! While the avatar skin colors and new missile effects are certainly anything but neccessary nor celebrated. Your opinion on missiles certainly isn't shared by everyone considering the reaction to the videos at fanfest GÇªnor is his opinion about the inventory revamp, considering the feedback that has been provided in the test forum and devblog comments. The new inventory system is far from ready for prime-time at this pointGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Takseen University of Caille Gallente Federation 160	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:58:00 - [27] - Quote I gotta admit I was a bit underwhelmed seeing the features list, but I guess that's to be expected with a pvp focused expansion as a pve focused player. Reminds me of Dominion. Ah well, there's new modules atleast.
adam smash University of Caille Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:01:00 - [28] - Quote I forgot we got clan logos on tanks in WoT too... Did eve get this year? Aint they been talking about this longer than WoT has been out? lol
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1819	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:02:00 - [29] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Tippia wrote: ElQuirko wrote: Seems to me like the biggest updates in this expansion are visual and fixing what needed to be fixed. Fixing what needed to be fixed - great, but hardly the "massive revolution" CCP claimed Inferno was going to be, and not quite enough to fix the system. The wardec fix is pretty darn massive in terms of how it will change EVE, especially when combined with Crimewatch 2.0 (which apparently won't be in that sisi patch). GÇªgranted, it will be a bad massive change with the current pricing structure, but it will be massive none the less. Aha! But if you ask bad for who, the forums will be in uproar. Outrage! Ass pains! And so on. I think I'd be happier if (pricing aside for the moment) they based the War Dec system on size above all else (in before the size doesnt' matter jokes). In othe words, a corp (of sufficient size) could declare war on an alliance (of similar size), or corp vs. corp, or alliance vs. alliance. The only thing that determines a valid potential war target would be the number of members. The only other restriction would be you can not declare a war as a corp if you are a member of an alliance. Divisions could be: 25 or less members. 26 - 100 members. 101 - 500 members. 501 - 1000 members. +1000 members. So a corp of 100 members has a fairly narrow range of corps or alliances they could declare war on. The could not declare war on an corp or alliance with over 100 members, or with 26 or less members. Any corp or alliance with between 26 and 100 members when war is declared would be fair game. An alliance of 500 members could wage war (as an alliance) on a range of similarly sized corps or alliances... between 101 and 500 members total. A corp that was a member of an alliance could not declare a (private) war only involving their corp unless they leave said alliance. If they join (or rejoin) an alliance with a war dec in effect, if they declared the war the alliance would not automatcially be a part of it, if the had war declared upon them the alliance would be involved. This would solve the issue of large corps bullying small corps, as well as the issue of small corps unrealistically being able to declare war on large entities. Price points could then be based on this system and be uniform within each slot. Ah well. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1819	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:05:00 - [30] - Quote adam smash wrote: O how long WoT been around let me check... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0y2wmE4lMo 1 year... let's see the stats (lol) And for the past year, the army of tankmen has grown to 24 million registered users, who took part in way over 350 million battles, fired 75 billion shots with 48 billion hits, destroying almost 8 billion armored vehicles. It's a glorified arcade game you blithering idiot. The software involved is about as complicated as a desktop widget compared to EVE. Untold millions of people play Solitare on their computers. That in no way makes it a better, nor as complicated game to update, as EVE. Perspective, get some. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Jett0 Team Kitty Choke Slam 116	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:12:00 - [31] - Quote Compare Crucible 1.0 to Crucible 1.5. Inferno's release is merely the start. Occasionally plays sober
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3702	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:21:00 - [32] - Quote We just spent :18 months: yelling at CCP to give us NO MORE NEW FEATURES FIX WHAT'S IN THE GAME ALREADY!!! Now they're doing that. I am OK with this. We got 4 excellent new ships in Crucible, and I expect CCP will give us some new stuff in Inferno too. But there's still a vast amount of existing stuff in EVE that could repay ~iteration~ before we need to ask for new stuff; Industry & Mining W-space Drone Space Faction Warfare (including expanding this to Pirate Factions) Ratting/Missioning (burn it to the ground, salt the earth, erase the names from the history books and begin again) Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Serge Bastana GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated 453	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:28:00 - [33] - Quote adam smash wrote: O how long WoT been around let me check... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0y2wmE4lMo 1 year... let's see the stats (lol) And for the past year, the army of tankmen has grown to 24 million registered users, who took part in way over 350 million battles, fired 75 billion shots with 48 billion hits, destroying almost 8 billion armored vehicles. 24million accounts LOL... okay. So age what again? 9 years of eve... still tons of bugs... WoT the largest complaint is MM... funny coming from eve players... Eve is bugs... crashing... can't jump, other BS people call not bugs... if I press jump... why does the thing not jump, not move... just sits? maybe the button should be removed then... WoT is blah I can't see a tank who has camo Everything in this match is bigger than me... HUGE bugs guys HUGE lol. Just waiting to see if they really put pysics in the game... if so ROFL eve just needs to give up already... The new wardec system is broken from the start... LOL... HUGE alliance can attack anyone... they have the isk and the cost is NOTHING anyways lol Small guy who maybe wants to do what he can... hit and run things... ya NEVER GONA HAPPEN. Goons vs a 100man alliance will be like what 50mill? 100man vs goons would be what? 1billion or something? Ya war dec system is fixed... O and you cant shed the dec so... when a huge alliance or just a much larger one attacks... your ******... might as well just quit... And good luck getting back at them if they drop the dec... you can't afford to dec... Seems fixed to me. My reason for asking is that I would I had a good idea how long WoT has been out on the market. It's in a different stage of it's life cycle to EVE, there will be lots of expansions for such a game, which, as Ranger1 pointed out, is more of an online arcade shooter. It's good business sense to provide more content in expansions like you mentioned to keep people playing and bring in more subs. You sound like one of those who were caught botting by Sreegs and co and you're just butthurt. You aren't making reasoned argument against the game, you just sound like a 12 year old that had their ice cream taken away. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3703	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:28:00 - [34] - Quote Oh yeah and let's not forget 0.0 Sovereignty Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1821	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:30:00 - [35] - Quote Now that I think about it, and even more elegant solution would be to charge a standard base fee for a war and then have an additional cost based on the DIFFERENCE (higher or lower) in member population. So if (pulling numbers out of my butt) the standard war dec fee is 100m, and the charge is 1m per difference in members (whether plus or minus) you get 100m + (1m x difference) = Total War Dec fee for one week. Corp A with 100 members decs Corp B with 10 members (or vice versa). 100m + 90m = 190M per week. Corp A with 100 members decs Alliance C with 3000 members (or vice versa). 100m + 2billion 900m = 3billion per week. If Alliance C with 3000 members dec alliance D with 3000 members. 100m per week. Simple and sweet, solves both issues. It discourages little guys from being either picked on or preying on larger entities. It encourages wars between similar sized opponents. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
MotherMoon Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 642	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:30:00 - [36] - Quote Dbars Grinding wrote: standard no feature expansion. nothing to see here move along. Yeah because missiles isn't a huge feature that eve has been waiting for 9 years to get. rolls eyes
NiteNinja Celtic Cartage And Hauling Dark Knights of New Eden 0	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:34:00 - [37] - Quote The only thing i really have noticed with Inferno is different GUI sounds, icons to show status above the HUD, the terrible location of the percentages of shield/armor/structure, and the update or two EVERY DAY. Maybe CCP should test these updates more before releasing? I am sick of updating, especially when I have limited Internet. EDIT: Oh yeah, almost forgot, torpedo miss animations.
Grey Stormshadow draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1141	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:36:00 - [38] - Quote There is plenty of content in Inferno - even they would pull the unified inventory back to the drawing board. Get
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3705	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:38:00 - [39] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Now that I think about it, and even more elegant solution would be to charge a standard base fee for a war and then have an additional cost based on the DIFFERENCE (higher or lower) in member population. So if (pulling numbers out of my butt) the standard war dec fee is 100m, and the charge is 1m per difference in members (whether plus or minus) you get 100m + (1m x difference) = Total War Dec fee for one week. Corp A with 100 members decs Corp B with 10 members (or vice versa). 100m + 90m = 190M per week. Corp A with 100 members decs Alliance C with 3000 members (or vice versa). 100m + 2billion 900m = 3billion per week. If Alliance C with 3000 members dec alliance D with 3000 members. 100m per week. Simple and sweet, solves both issues. It discourages little guys from being either picked on or preying on larger entities. It encourages wars between similar sized opponents. But then my 5-man empire alt wardec corp can't dec Goons for 50M a week so CCP are owned by mittens whargle garble Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
adam smash University of Caille Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:47:00 - [40] - Quote Serge Bastana wrote: You sound like one of those who were caught botting by Sreegs and co and you're just butthurt. You aren't making reasoned argument against the game, you just sound like a 12 year old that had their ice cream taken away. OH NO YOU GOT ME I WAS BOTTING Cause somehow that matters? IDC about features how about BUG FIXS? Point here is... the exp is more broken **... more things to learn 1 ** dec system to another more ** dec system... WoT could STOP doing any updates and I'd still keep playing it and everyone I know would... its press a button and get pvp... Has only a few bugs... I forgot about the dumb move of the ship shield/armor/hull readout... Point here is 1 year old game has way more subs, is F2P no ***** sub + hey you want to dress up your worthless char MOAR MONEY! bullshit. They are working on 2 other games... that are just as epic. Updates come out all the time with Rebalance New tanks New maps New effects Etc. WoT is like one BIG update and then no patchs to fix it... cause it aint broken New game... patch once... 9 year old game Patch Patch Reboot Patch Break launcher Patch launcher Hot fix lol
J3ssica Alba Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 340	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:52:00 - [41] - Quote Holy crap there is no pleasing you guys. Go play WoT then and buy your golden ammo for tanks lol This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6487	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:53:00 - [42] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Now that I think about it, and even more elegant solution would be to charge a standard base fee for a war and then have an additional cost based on the DIFFERENCE (higher or lower) in member population. Yes. Although my favourite is more of a GÇ£size multiplier differenceGÇ£ than just a straight up numerical difference. abs( ln( attacker / defender ) / ln( base multiplier ) ) +ù difference cost + base cost. in other words, with a base multiplier of 2, if you attack a corp that is 2 times bigger or smaller, you pay (say) 50M for the difference and 50M in base cost. Attack a target that's 4 times bigger or smaller, you pay 100M for the difference and 50M base cost. Attack a target that's the exact same size, and you just pay the base cost. If Sunshine and Lollipops wardecs the Goons (or vice versa), the cost will be 610M, because they're about 2-¦-¦ times larger than we are. However, if some random alliance of 3500:ish members decs the goons, the cost will be back to just 100M. This gives you a lot of variables to modify to get the right effect: how cheap should any war be? How much do you have to pay for imbalanced sizes? What counts as an GÇ£imbalanced sizeGÇ¥? It's that last part that really makes the thing interesting. Say that the above numbers still made it too easy to attack an over/undersized target, but also made it too costly to attack a GÇ£fairGÇ¥ target, let's switch the numbers around GÇö the base multiplier is 1.25 (the cost increases for every 25% larger or smaller the target is); the difference cost is 100M; the base cost is 5M. Now, it would cost me 3.3bn a week to go after the goons, but for the aforementioned random alliance, it would only cost 315M/week (and likewise, it would cost the four of us in SLOPS 626M to go after some poor little one-man corp). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
ElQuirko Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements. 669	Posted - 2012.05.08 19:57:00 - [43] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Aren't ccp still planing to remove the tiers of some ship classes with inferno, to make every ship useful in its role? Now that would be a massive change, even if only frigates were affected... Got pushed back, which is one of my main griefs. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
Guttripper State War Academy Caldari State 120	Posted - 2012.05.08 20:00:00 - [44] - Quote J3ssica Alba wrote: Holy crap there is no pleasing you guys. Go play WoT then and buy your golden ammo for tanks lol For as many whiners littering these forums, there are an equal number of CCP ass kissers praising every change deemed for good (and never bad) as the best online gaming has to offer. For the former, it is best to keep them simply as "whiners". But for the latter, back in my old EverQuest days, they were labeled as VAKs (Verant Ass Kissers) and then later SAKs (Sony Ass Kissers). Perhaps they'll subtly adopt the title as CAKs (CCP Ass Kissers), though they will not admit to it.
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 875	Posted - 2012.05.08 20:02:00 - [45] - Quote Rewriting hisec's decade-old crimewatch system essentially from scratch and overhauling EVE's equally ancient UI are heavy undertakings that are essential to more emphatic changes in EVE. Much like how Carbon was underwhelming when it was first introduced into EVE, but in the end was essential in making the DUST 514/EVE link possible
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1821	Posted - 2012.05.08 20:02:00 - [46] - Quote adam smash wrote: Serge Bastana wrote: You sound like one of those who were caught botting by Sreegs and co and you're just butthurt. You aren't making reasoned argument against the game, you just sound like a 12 year old that had their ice cream taken away. OH NO YOU GOT ME I WAS BOTTING Cause somehow that matters? IDC about features how about BUG FIXS? Point here is... the exp is more broken **... more things to learn 1 ** dec system to another more ** dec system... WoT could STOP doing any updates and I'd still keep playing it and everyone I know would... its press a button and get pvp... Has only a few bugs... I forgot about the dumb move of the ship shield/armor/hull readout... Point here is 1 year old game has way more subs, is F2P no ***** sub + hey you want to dress up your worthless char MOAR MONEY! bullshit. They are working on 2 other games... that are just as epic. Updates come out all the time with Rebalance New tanks New maps New effects Etc. WoT is like one BIG update and then no patchs to fix it... cause it aint broken New game... patch once... 9 year old game Patch Patch Reboot Patch Break launcher Patch launcher Hot fix lol I hear Skylander is pretty stable to, sounds like you'd love it. My 7yr old does. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
ElQuirko Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements. 669	Posted - 2012.05.08 20:03:00 - [47] - Quote Guttripper wrote: For as many whiners littering these forums, there are an equal number of CCP ass kissers praising every change deemed for good (and never bad) as the best online gaming has to offer. For the former, it is best to keep them simply as "whiners". But for the latter, back in my old EverQuest days, they were labeled as VAKs (Verant Ass Kissers) and then later SAKs (Sony Ass Kissers). Perhaps they'll subtly adopt the title as CAKs (CCP Ass Kissers), though they will not admit to it. Surely, since CCP is already an acronym, it'd be CCPAKs? CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1821	Posted - 2012.05.08 20:05:00 - [48] - Quote Guttripper wrote: J3ssica Alba wrote: Holy crap there is no pleasing you guys. Go play WoT then and buy your golden ammo for tanks lol For as many whiners littering these forums, there are an equal number of CCP ass kissers praising every change deemed for good (and never bad) as the best online gaming has to offer. For the former, it is best to keep them simply as "whiners". But for the latter, back in my old EverQuest days, they were labeled as VAKs (Verant Ass Kissers) and then later SAKs (Sony Ass Kissers). Perhaps they'll subtly adopt the title as CAKs (CCP Ass Kissers), though they will not admit to it. Odd, I see people discussing their mix of likes and dislikes about new proposals, with the wiser crowd noting that things are incomplete to test and could easily change based on feed back. It's a perception thing I guess. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Takseen University of Caille Gallente Federation 160	Posted - 2012.05.08 20:42:00 - [49] - Quote adam smash wrote: Serge Bastana wrote: You sound like one of those who were caught botting by Sreegs and co and you're just butthurt. You aren't making reasoned argument against the game, you just sound like a 12 year old that had their ice cream taken away. WoT could STOP doing any updates and I'd still keep playing it and everyone I know would... its press a button and get pvp... Point here is 1 year old game has way more subs, is F2P no ******* sub + hey you want to dress up your worthless char MOAR MONEY! bullshit. Call of Duty also has "press a button and get pvp". That's not ragging on CoD, its a fun game, but that's not what Eve is trying to offer. Honestly I'm baffled by the comparison of World of Tanks to Eve. Might as well compare it to League of Legends or Team Fortress 2. Back on topic, Malcanis makes a fair point, We mostly asked CCP to stop and fix existing stuff. Wardecs and FW being two things that needed a fair bit of fixing. Oh well, even if the expansion is bad there's still the Alliance Tourney to look forward to.
AureoBroker Natural Inventions 37	Posted - 2012.05.08 20:44:00 - [50] - Quote Please people, you're taking someone who ends all his posts with "lol" seriously? (or, actually, were - luckyly no one's doing that by page 3!) Let the idiots lay in the own idiocy. Missiles are a feature enough, TBH. Also seems we're getting FW iteration, wardec iteration, probably the start of tiericide, inventory n' stuff. We all asked for this, and the community is mostly happy with this. Won't be Incursion-like amount of content, but who cares? Content is player created.
Takseen University of Caille Gallente Federation 160	Posted - 2012.05.08 20:45:00 - [51] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Rewriting hisec's decade-old crimewatch system essentially from scratch and overhauling EVE's equally ancient UI are heavy undertakings that are essential to more emphatic changes in EVE. Much like how Carbon was underwhelming when it was first introduced into EVE, but in the end was essential in making the DUST 514/EVE link possible I thought the main benefit of Carbon was it let them fix UI stuff way more easily? And let them tackle lag more easily.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 132	Posted - 2012.05.08 20:51:00 - [52] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: Zimmy Zeta wrote: Aren't ccp still planing to remove the tiers of some ship classes with inferno, to make every ship useful in its role? Now that would be a massive change, even if only frigates were affected... Got pushed back, which is one of my main griefs. Are they not doing the first few frigs that were being discussed in F&I?
Sunviking The Shining Knights 57	Posted - 2012.05.08 21:41:00 - [53] - Quote To be honest, the most exciting thing I have seen so far in that list is the CPU Rigs. So many cool fittings will be possible with these. Rokh with 5 x Mining Upgrades anyone? And a whole lot more...
admiral root Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis 60	Posted - 2012.05.08 22:26:00 - [54] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Odd, I see people discussing their mix of likes and dislikes about new proposals, with the wiser crowd noting that things are incomplete to test and could easily change based on feed back. It's a perception thing I guess. Well, if people like you would just stop being so bloody open-minded and conveniently pigeon-hole yourself under "fanboi" or "hater", things would be so much easier.
Xercodo Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition 1072	Posted - 2012.05.08 22:26:00 - [55] - Quote You'll find that CCP actually does releases very similar to WoT. Crucible was like 7.0 for tanks and 7.1, 2 and 3 where like Crucible 1.1, 3, and 5. Add up all of those parts of Crucible and you get the whole sum of the Crucible expansion. CCP's been doing this sorta thing since Incursion (1.0, ammo changes, and new windowed mode features, 1.1, Christmas introduction of Noctis, removal of learning skills, 1.3, actual incursions and character creator, 1.4 and 1.5 were improvements on the character creator and the removal of agent quality and the agent division changes) That's how Inferno is gonna work too. Escalation was kinda like a Crucible 1.7 or a Inferno 0.9. Inferno 1.0 is gonna have a bunch of stuff but stuff like the ship lines that were being mentioned and stuff like ring mining might not be here till Inferno 1.2 or 3. In reality they really aren't expansions, but the name changes and new logins are pretty cool :P Just stop trying to treat them like and giving them the expectations of anything else you ever had that was considered expansions cause these aren't them. They're more constant iterative patches really. The expansion names mostly works as a method to sort changes chronologically and to easily organize the progress for the devs. Crucible 1.20 starts getting a bit silly. "Was it 1.15 or 1.17 that we did that feature on?" The Drake is a Lie
adam smash University of Caille Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2012.05.08 22:43:00 - [56] - Quote eve vs wot is a fuckin nissan vs a toyota... SAME ** Fact stands the wardec system is still broken Crime watch removed trying to help said corps... I want the OLDDDD UI back... took how many years to fix it? Sorry you guys are just butt hurt I can grab a game that is eve... Battle button is highsec/low Clan wars = null... You noobs know you can take land in WoT yes? lol is because you guys make me laugh so much My gold ammo... As we showed CCP is just slow. They got people paying a sub + nex store RL money... Will just take time for the gold ammo in eve... You already lost that with eve being pay to play and micro transactions. I'll take f2p over getting **** twice anyday. Still comes down to in 1 year WoT has giving crazy amounts of updates, it takes the sametime for CCP to say they are going to do something... All comes down to it is gimped... Fanbois can say whatever... I leaned of WoT from the eve forums thank god for the eve forums.
Masamune Dekoro School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 125	Posted - 2012.05.08 23:00:00 - [57] - Quote Vera Algaert wrote: "CCP should focus on fixing what's broken over shiny" "CCP should focus on shiny over fixes" can't have both. Result: CCP Breaks Shiny things.
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 125	Posted - 2012.05.08 23:03:00 - [58] - Quote adam smash wrote: Yes I do, dont care... they took time not to ** it up like CCP... CCP rushs out ** full of bugs... server reboots, crashes... Games running smooth to me. Also lul... about new ships... New tanks Rebalance New maps Bug fixs March was a HUGE change + again tanks maps fixs... Sorry but eve is just failing more and more... let's see the game get out of beta. Why do pods still come out of warp too far from the gates to jump at warp to 0 Why can I not jump because I am cloaked... Etc etc etc... Why don't you marry it then? There should be a rather awesome pic here
Mathias Hex 130	Posted - 2012.05.09 00:28:00 - [59] - Quote adam smash wrote: WoT lol Sounds like a game I don't really give a ** about, go play it if it's so awesome STFU and GTFO I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy fk.
Mars Theran EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance 184	Posted - 2012.05.09 00:57:00 - [60] - Quote I think the smallest thing on that list is the avatar changes. The rest is massive in terms of probable workload and I think we can be glad that CCP put the effort into these things. New ships will come in time, but IIRC a lot of players that protested last year were unhappy about the prospect of adding ships and even modules, or upgrading graphics at the expense of core mechanics. This list seems to be mostly focused on the Core mechanics with a bit of this and that here and there. Frankly, I'm happy with it. I like new stuff as much as the next guy, (that likes new stuff), but EVEs core mechancis need some serious work and this list is working on that. Next, I'd like to see POS reworked, changes to player owned stations, (functional but sort of fubar; I'll explain in a minute), and particularly ships redesigned, which they are doing incrementally now.The ships are among the most important. Even though it doesn't make EVE unplayable with them as they are, they are still very important. Regarding Player owned Stations: These things are sort of wierd. On one hand, they are very useful in a lot of respects, but they are permanent undestroyable, lockable, and capable of changing hands in an instant. They are sort of over powered, and also very limited in other respects. I'm not sure what to make of them, but I do wish players would choose better names for them. Player choice of course, but it's weird wandering into a sysatem or looking at the map and finding a station called "Tony's Burgers and Fries," for example. Frankly, I'd be happy if they were named in a specific fashion using Alliance name, station type, or parameters the players could set or choose from. Simplify things, and the name changes automatically when the station changes hands. I don't even know if the Station names can be changed currently. Frankly, I think 10 Titans should be able to blow one up in a matter of an hour or so. Other than that, I think they could use some adjustments to functionality to make them more useful and less of a Clone storage and hangar array. I don't really remember but I think they had rather limited capabilities with regards to industry and such, which shouldn't be the case I think. I'll check in game later when I think of it. Alltogether, I'm impressed with this expasion and I hope CCP continues doing more of the same. Also, WoT can kick out multi-toys without issue because it is ultimately a very simple game design. EVE isn't. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438
Dark Drifter Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 31	Posted - 2012.05.09 00:59:00 - [61] - Quote adam smash wrote: Yes I do, dont care... they took time not to ** it up like CCP... CCP rushs out ** full of bugs... server reboots, crashes... Games running smooth to me. Also lul... about new ships... New tanks Rebalance New maps Bug fixs March was a HUGE change + again tanks maps fixs... Sorry but eve is just failing more and more... let's see the game get out of beta. Why do pods still come out of warp too far from the gates to jump at warp to 0 Why can I not jump because I am cloaked... Etc etc etc... pods will occasionally come out of warp and land at 2.51km because of inertia, agility and gate position you can not jump when cloaked because: when cloaked the game effectively can not see the ship in code terms (its not actually loaded) when you enter the 2.5k bubble of an other object the server preforms a X/Y/Z check in relation to sed object and if it fails (you are inside this range) the server loads you and hay presto you uncloak.
Serge Bastana GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated 457	Posted - 2012.05.09 15:03:00 - [62] - Quote adam smash wrote: eve vs wot is a fuckin nissan vs a toyota... SAME ** Fact stands the wardec system is still broken Crime watch removed trying to help said corps... I want the OLDDDD UI back... took how many years to fix it? Sorry you guys are just butt hurt I can grab a game that is eve... Battle button is highsec/low Clan wars = null... You noobs know you can take land in WoT yes? lol is because you guys make me laugh so much My gold ammo... As we showed CCP is just slow. They got people paying a sub + nex store RL money... Will just take time for the gold ammo in eve... You already lost that with eve being pay to play and micro transactions. I'll take f2p over getting **** twice anyday. Still comes down to in 1 year WoT has giving crazy amounts of updates, it takes the sametime for CCP to say they are going to do something... All comes down to it is gimped... Fanbois can say whatever... I leaned of WoT from the eve forums thank god for the eve forums. I'm sure WoT has all the complexity of EVE, enjoy. Go peddle your shite somewhere else. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...
Castor II Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 42	Posted - 2012.05.09 15:33:00 - [63] - Quote adam smash wrote: eve vs wot is a fuckin nissan vs a toyota... SAME ** Fact stands the wardec system is still broken Crime watch removed trying to help said corps... I want the OLDDDD UI back... took how many years to fix it? Sorry you guys are just butt hurt I can grab a game that is eve... Battle button is highsec/low Clan wars = null... You noobs know you can take land in WoT yes? lol is because you guys make me laugh so much My gold ammo... As we showed CCP is just slow. They got people paying a sub + nex store RL money... Will just take time for the gold ammo in eve... You already lost that with eve being pay to play and micro transactions. I'll take f2p over getting **** twice anyday. Still comes down to in 1 year WoT has giving crazy amounts of updates, it takes the sametime for CCP to say they are going to do something... All comes down to it is gimped... Fanbois can say whatever... I leaned of WoT from the eve forums thank god for the eve forums. Why do you type like you were dropped on the head a few too many times?

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