What exactly do sociopaths do?

Boy we've proven tons here haven't we?

Something like this is best handled in private channels ratehr than a public forum I would think.

Greetings capsuleer Malkavian,

I have greater things that worry me. For example, an elected member of the CSM ignoring their compatriots and the cohesive, player representative platform the CSM is. Or, as another example, a member of the CSM focussing on politics, grandstanding and so forth and self promotion rather than on the actual working of the CSM and delivering more to New Eden.

Regards,

Shian Yang

In our previous CSM we had a group who did the hard yards; who did the work.

Malkavian,eh?

You should probably be more worried that people actually elected such a transparent, self promotional candidate. I guess people will buy anything if it is on sale.

She is making a point. It seems you have a personal grudge against this CSM member - otherwise you would not have created a thread to try and discredit them as you seem to be doing. Something like this is best handled in private channels ratehr than a public forum I would think.

What have you proven.

Perhaps trolling trollers troll trolls while trolling? Shrug.

I'm sorry the mean PVPers PVPed you against your will in a game about non-consentual PVP.

This game is BASED on destroying things.
Its FUELED by destruction. Killing people and things and the fact you CAN DIE, ANYWHERE at ANY TIME is one of the great things about this game. If you think that makes the people doing the destroying crazy, maybe you shouldnt be playing it. It sounds like it may be damaging to your psyche.

Any chance there are sociopathic carebears acting out their feelings of sympathy and affection?

The World Health Organization's International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, tenth edition (ICD-10), defines a conceptually similar disorder to antisocial personality disorder called (F60.2) Dissocial personality disorder.[5]

It is characterized by at least 3 of the following:
1.Callous unconcern for the feelings of others.
2.Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations.
3.Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them.
4.Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
5.Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
6.Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.
There may be persistent irritability as an associated feature.

The diagnosis includes what may be referred to as amoral, antisocial, asocial, psychopathic, and sociopathic personality (disorder).

The criteria specifically rule out conduct disorders.[6] Dissocial personality disorder criteria differ from those for antisocial and sociopathic personality disorders.[7]

It is a requirement of ICD-10 that a diagnosis of any specific personality disorder also satisfies a set of general personality disorder criteria.

I'm one of the people who believes people act in-game the way they really are or wish they were. Same goes for the Internet or anywhere else where you can be yourself with a high degree of anonymity and virtually zero consequences to your behaviour.

A d*** is a d***. Online or in real life, he's still a d***. The difference is, when at work and talking to his boss, a d*** will try to hide that he's a d***. Because there are obvious and immediate consequences to acting like a d*** in such a situation. But at home, or better yet on the internet, with relative anonymity and no consequences? You just buckle up and feel the Gs. That's an example of a person acting online the way they really are.

Now take the oh-so-common "Internet tough guy". Would they act this way in real life? For a vast majority of them, the answer is no. This is an example of person acting online the way they wish they were able to in real life. Reality is simple - mouthing off at the wrong person and/or at the wrong place and/or at the wrong time can have negative consequences on your health. Action and reaction. Choice and consequence. There are of course actual tough guys, but in real life even they remember the simple truth - no matter how big or scary you are, there's always someone bigger and scarier than you. Or just someone with more friends. But even the real tough guys are way more mouthy online.

Not surprisingly, the same holds in EVE. I mean, let's be honest for a second here. The game mechanics attract a certain type of personality - someone who likes a little edge to their games. As a consequence, EVE has more than a standard compliment of really disturbed people. It goes with the territory and it's nothing to be surprised about.

So I really don't know what the big deal is. This kind of stuff is not only common, it is expected.

Malkavians are my second favourite race... I agree they are pretty awesome... But sometime I feel like ripping stuff to shreds and I love Gangrels for it.

Similarly, there's a guy I see all the time who like to pop capsules coming through on autopilot in high sec. What does he benefit from it? Nothing. In fact, each kill is a net loss for him. But he does it anyway, apparently for the lols. This kind of mentality is what many find deeply disturbing. I know I do. Too many similarities with a guy that goes on a rampage and tries to get as many people down as he can before he is finally taken down himself. It's...just not healthy.

I'm going to take this out of its intended context for a second. Where I think most people see sociopathic behaviour is in how and where and why this PvP happens.

What I mean is, if you are in 0.0, flying an expensive ship with valuable cargo, it is only sensible for someone to try and kill you and take your stuff. So when a gang jumps on top of you and blows you up, again this is not surprising, it is expected in a game such as this.

However, there's also nonsensical violence for absolutely no reason. Like a group of suicide gankers taking out a miner or indy ship. What do they gain from it, really? It's not a good fight, it's not really entertaining. Any value you get back from salvage/loot is questionable. The only certainty is that the miner/indy ship cost more than the destroyers you used to blow it up. In other words, it cost the other guy more than it cost you.

Similarly, there's a guy I see all the time who like to pop capsules coming through on autopilot in high sec. What does he benefit from it? Nothing. In fact, each kill is a net loss for him. But he does it anyway, apparently for the lols. This kind of mentality is what many find deeply disturbing. I know I do. Too many similarities with a guy that goes on a rampage and tries to get as many people down as he can before he is finally taken down himself. It's...just not healthy.

And while I completely recognize that in real life he's probably not chasing schoolchildren around with a chainsaw, the mere fact that in game he finds this kind of thing entertaining bothers me a little. Just like people who voluntarily watch movies like Salo, Human Centipede, Dark Seed, etc., for fun and enjoyment bother me. Don't tell me it's normal or healthy. They are not necessarily sociopaths or dangerous, but from the standpoint of mental health, you know they have a screw loose someplace.

I think that's a distinction you have to be aware of, in other peoples' perception of the events. PvP where the victim is good and ready for it, even if the battle is one-sided, I don't think many would complain about. Nobody would complain about a good fight there combatants were evenly matched. But when you see people shooting pods, at a net loss, for pleasure, during their free time on their entertainment dollar, you have to wonder what kind of person is on the other end of that character and wish you don't run into them. Like, ever.



The above goes as a response to this argument of yours as well. It's not about sheer destruction. It's about who, where, how and why. It's all about context. Some people behave in such a way as to suggest they're a few cans short of a six-pack.

I qualify for numbers 2, 3, 4 to an extent, and the guilt part of 5. By definition, that makes me a prime candidate for sociopathy. The most glaring obvious ones I see on Eve are numbers 1 and 6 (Hulkageddon, Burn Jita). You'd have to be Stevie Wonder blind and Jessica Simpson oblivious to argue that point.

I popped an APing pod once, and I'll probably roll an alt and do it some more because it's hilarious to cull the stupid. I can't wait for the new Crimewatch so I can repair sec status on alts even easier than now.

Do you fear for my child because I play a game?

You'd think this thing would kind of blow over by now. Mitt is back, enjoying the game the way he wants to after a little break. He's playing the metagame he likes by declaring war on Issler's alliance. What took place out of game is being used as motivation for in game activities, is it that farfetched to think it might go the other way?

Either way, Mitt said himself he was out of line with what he did. I'd guess even he wishes people would stop talking about it, because nothing about the situation was good for him or the game in general.

You'd think this thing would kind of blow over by now. Mitt is back, enjoying the game the way he wants to after a little break. He's playing the metagame he likes by declaring war on Issler's alliance. What took place out of game is being used as motivation for in game activities, is it that farfetched to think it might go the other way?

Either way, Mitt said himself he was out of line with what he did. I'd guess even he wishes people would stop talking about it, because nothing about the situation was good for him or the game in general.

EVE makes sociopaths exactly as much as Doom did. Or D&D does. Or Friday the 13th (all scary movies for that matter) did. Or heavy metal does. Or whatever else outside, external reason you want to lay the blame for nutty ppl existing, instead of laying the blame at the feet of the person doing it. That **** has pissed me off for years

Eve doesn't make sociopaths, no. No more than any other game. However, that fact doesn't change the perceptions of certain individuals. It's more the fundamental attribution error than anything else, really.

People love blame figures, and being podded by some guy in a Thrasher doesn't make you as much of a victim as being ruthlessly hunted down by some sociopathic lunatic in high sec space, even though both describe the same event.

People love blame figures, and being podded by some guy in a Thrasher doesn't make you as much of a victim as being ruthlessly hunted down by some sociopathic lunatic in high sec space, even though both describe the same event.

I think the ppl who think ingame ebil actions = out of game psychopathy are mistaking phychological diagnosis for assholish behavior. And theyre forgetting that they are not in fact, psychiatrists.

your friends shouldnt alienate you if you betray a corporation online.

and if they do they obviously werent real friends anyways lol

We just put a person that believes the stuff you do in game reflects who you are in real life...

Sure some humans try to be loving and caring and peaceful but in general the human race is NOT a peaceful race, not even close.

Wow.

The only idea crazier than that would be that your "real life" personality isn't reflected at all in how you play the game.

I never meant to imply that. But it's all shades of scarlet, isn't it? Sociopaths express certain attributes stronger than 'normal' individuals, and all.


It is, to an extent. Not to the extent many people believe, though.