The original goals for Incursions were to provide group game play, high end PvE opportunities and high risk content. I would like them to eventually be at a point where they have a high enough risk to warrant a high end reward. I would also like the incentives to come from a growing community but a place to experience a PvP like style of gameplay within a storyline setting. I will provide more info on this after we sort out the short-term problems.

Couldn't agree more. Not enough risk in the Incursions atm. You've probably already figure this out but most of the "Incursion community" are only concerned with farming tons of isk for no risk. You're going to have to burn them down and start over with a new community.

How so? Incursions are very similar to how PVP works. You have your support ships, main DPS ships and logi ships. FC calls out primaries and secondaries. you have to watch range for shooting and staying in logi range.

There is only so much you can do with AI but I feel Incursions are a very good step to showing players how PVP works. CCP could add in more randomness I guess.

The best, and only solution that I can see to this problem is to compromise: I proposed two options:

#1. For high-sec incursions Suspend Concorde/faction police response in incursion systems, while leaving all the rest of the penalties (sec status, GCC, ), and make them function exactly the same as low sec/null sec but a minor difference in pay out somewhere between 90-100% of what you would get in low-sec.

This would add virtually the same risk but still allow for additional safety (do to the one hit kill guns on stations and Gates) and you can give one of the fancy messages saying that Concorde will not protect you when you try and jump into the Consolation.

#2: the high-sec incursions as they are currently, as far as payouts are concerned

-Reduce Concorde's response to the point that they can be tanked, with a reasonable amount of logistics (old Concorde -Someone remind me which patch that changed that.. it's been too long. The rest of Concorde is busy trying to defend the surrounding area and they can't ask for more support ships because of the system being jammed. If the fluff is what you're concerned about.

- This would allow there to be a measurable amount of risk in comparison to the low sec/null sec counterparts, while still giving a reasonable of amount of additional safety. While still allowing up a determined and well organized player force to disrupt operations. (To keep servers from crashing limit the amount of NPC's that can spawn in the system at one time.)

- give a fancy message when people try and jump into hi sec incursion system about the reduced presence of Concorde

Both options, would allow incursions to become a True event with far-reaching consequences (trade routes would have to be redirected . Depending on where the incursion spawned possibly cutting off safe access whole sections of hi sec from each other. Crating interesting short-term market/industrial Opportunities for quick acting opportunistic player.

I personally think option #2 would be the more dynamic and balanced option, I believe was a little bit of tweaking, you could reasonably balance the risk versus reward situation. While Creating creating interesting and dynamic environment that can be found nowhere else in the in the universe.

I'm not convinced removing concord is something I want to do ;) Definitely not for the short term june/july fix and probably not long term either. However, keep your suggestions and feedback coming, want to get as much as possible.

That is a discussion we will have at a later date - a change as drastic as removing CONCORD is not one I would take lightly and definitely not for the short-term fixes this thread is about. After we have those out of the way I will start a long-term re-design thread and we can pick this topic back up.

The profitability of highsec incursions was and is now more so a combination of the efforts and teamwork of those who run them. If that isn't worth rewarding just because the content is in a "safe" area then I'd prefer to see them just removed from highsec rather than intermittently ruining other forms of game play there while limiting the capacity to escape or avoid it.

I'm not arguing that highsec needs to make the same as null/low/WH for similar activities. I do however feel that having highsec incursions on a per person basis compare or exceed the reward of running nullsec anoms solo, taking the average in both activities, is not a bad thing. I think there should be a significant divide between activities that require constant teamwork and those that require none or only require some initial investment of cooperation.

I also believe balance based on high end earners is flawed, especially if the range from high to low end is quite wide or the high end is rather far from the average. I expect Affinity knows far more there than I do though.

[...]can we please get beyond commenting on each others post about how wrong they are and just post your opinions. That way we can get a positive short term fix and then we can debate the long term of it.