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CrestoftheStars Caldari Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2009.05.12 02:14:00 - [1] yer was kind of thinking "what now?". my interest have as good as died for eve, it seems that there isn't much end goal ingame or at least i totally skip it :/ there is ofcause 0.0 sec, but what's the point of killing other players to emm ? to do what exactly? defend space? attack space?, but why?. okey so i am not very interested in the whole 0.0 thing, never really have been, been there, done that and didn't catch me. highsec and pve is what Really makes my smile jump :D but it doesn't seem like there is anything to do but "grind" isk to Buy officer mods, pimp ship for emm.. hmm yer once again a problem there is nothing in highsec worth really pimping a ship for, lvl 5 missions in lowsec (not taking into account the insanity of bringing a uber pimped ship into lowsec) are nothing but lvl 4 missions with some insane neut towers (which means any active cap using ship is just dissabled within secunds, no matter the fit) and hard hitting gun/missile towers besides those nothing really harder then lvl 4 in highsec (which is really wierd, gives you the feeling that they didn't really care to do anything out of these) so they are not really a "valid" next step... ofcause i could aways stop and come back in a year or so (hoping more pve to highsec, but properbillity for ccp to give us some awesome highsec pve for the END game players (some really hard and FUN stuff, (not just slap some towers up that removes your cap and then put the rest from a lvl 4 in there), around the same as me winning the jackpot in lottery XD ). so is there anything i am missing?... kind of wondering what others do?. yer i know i could start collecting or starting my own multi organisation, but lets just say i am not one of the "chribba" types that have the rep nor the trillions of isk and easy ways to make billions, so everything that takes a ton of billions is really out of my leak, needs to be something that can be accupliced by just playing A LOT AND LOT of eve (since i have no problem with that ^^) ps: what does people like chribba do? i mean he most seriously have EVERYTHING and then some ^^ ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.05.12 02:27:00 - [2] It's like this.. For most of us, "endgame" content is 0.0. The ebb and flow of alliance's, the intrigue, the back stabbing, the alliance's, the promises.. all of that is 0.0 If you arn't interested in that, theres not much else for you. High sec is going to be one of two things for you. Either a cash cow, either through missioning, mining, building, tradeing or what ever.. It's all a way to make isk. Now for SOME, that goal of being the sole producer of some rare T2 item, or cornering the market on a Small 125mm Railgun or whatever IS their end game. They want to play the market. Others the "end game" is being a producer. They want to build ships of all sizes, usually for a 0.0 alliance/corp. Anyways. If you haven't found your niche in game, it's hard to tell you want to do. The hard part for eve is the grind to make isk. They need isk for almost anything they want to do in game. Once you've found a source of isk, no matter what it is, then you TRULY have to find your goal. For some it's running corps, for others, it's running alliance's, for some it's leading fleet battles, for some it's being Super cap pilots, for some it's running production corps, for some it's piracy. What do YOU like doing in game? PVP? Corp building? markets? Production? Leading gangs? Flying Cap ships?
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.05.12 02:28:00 - [3] Soloing is the endgame for me. _______ ◕◡◕
CrestoftheStars Caldari Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2009.05.12 02:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Cors It's like this.. For most of us, "endgame" content is 0.0. The ebb and flow of alliance's, the intrigue, the back stabbing, the alliance's, the promises.. all of that is 0.0 If you arn't interested in that, theres not much else for you. High sec is going to be one of two things for you. Either a cash cow, either through missioning, mining, building, tradeing or what ever.. It's all a way to make isk. Now for SOME, that goal of being the sole producer of some rare T2 item, or cornering the market on a Small 125mm Railgun or whatever IS their end game. They want to play the market. Others the "end game" is being a producer. They want to build ships of all sizes, usually for a 0.0 alliance/corp. Anyways. If you haven't found your niche in game, it's hard to tell you want to do. The hard part for eve is the grind to make isk. They need isk for almost anything they want to do in game. Once you've found a source of isk, no matter what it is, then you TRULY have to find your goal. For some it's running corps, for others, it's running alliance's, for some it's leading fleet battles, for some it's being Super cap pilots, for some it's running production corps, for some it's piracy. What do YOU like doing in game? PVP? Corp building? markets? Production? Leading gangs? Flying Cap ships? well i really like missioning but lvl 4 missions have just become so boring and easy that it is not even fun anymore and there is nothing to go after, no special high LP reward, or anything that would let me see something speciel about doing it :/ as said i like all the pve, fighting sleepers/rats, but that is only in places where there is a high properbillity of getting into pvp (which i really ain't interested in at all), or else it is just missioning and well after the number X.000 mission you really start to be bored about it XD ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
Sythyss Paradigm Council	Posted - 2009.05.12 02:53:00 - [5] you say you aren't interested in pvp. the above statement is equivalent to saying you're not interested in eve. Whether it's 0.0, highsec mercs, or industrial-related pvp, that's what eve is about. If you're not interested in that, then eve isn't the game for you.
CrestoftheStars Caldari Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2009.05.12 03:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Sythyss you say you aren't interested in pvp. the above statement is equivalent to saying you're not interested in eve. Whether it's 0.0, highsec mercs, or industrial-related pvp, that's what eve is about. If you're not interested in that, then eve isn't the game for you. well i am not interested in blowing up or getting blowed up by other players. have no problem with it being in the game, but i just don't find it funny. i have had some fun times for away without the pvp fighting (considering 70-80% of the playerbase is highsec based it should say that people are not that interested in the pvp fighting part :) ) ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
Maxwell Terallis	Posted - 2009.05.12 03:37:00 - [7] Originally by: CrestoftheStars stuff A translation for "CrestoftheStars" is: "I'm bored playing EVE and I want people to give me other things to do." There is nothing else for you to do. Everyone's already said what to do, and you've said no to it all. You're done playing this game. Go elsewhere.
harogen Malevolent Evolution The Church.	Posted - 2009.05.12 03:47:00 - [8] Originally by: CrestoftheStars Originally by: Sythyss you say you aren't interested in pvp. the above statement is equivalent to saying you're not interested in eve. Whether it's 0.0, highsec mercs, or industrial-related pvp, that's what eve is about. If you're not interested in that, then eve isn't the game for you. well i am not interested in blowing up or getting blowed up by other players. have no problem with it being in the game, but i just don't find it funny. i have had some fun times for away without the pvp fighting (considering 70-80% of the playerbase is highsec based it should say that people are not that interested in the pvp fighting part :) ) Eve was originally a sandbox in which people make their own fun through different types of PVP. Missions were a joke and an after thought. At some point in 2005 CCP realized that missions actually attract loads more people than PVP related stuff so they began adding agent missions and their sub numbers jumped dramatically. As for you, if you aren't interested in grinding isk or faction with some other race, then yeah, your done for the time being, but fear not, for CCP are nearly completely focused on PVE stuff atm so new content will come in with every patch. ---------------------------------------- ohai! :D
temponita	Posted - 2009.05.12 03:58:00 - [9] There is so much potential for this environment that it makes me wonder why CCP has not placed exploring those possibilities as a top priority. However, like most software companies, CCP seems to be of become so overwhelmed with code updates and recovery that all else fails. I would love to see the EO engine made available for other MMO's. That would allow for an infinite amount of creativity on a much broader scale. Not to mention the ability to network domains or nodes within the infrastructure. Come on CCP! wake up and smell the future. Whatever the case, its only a matter of time before such concepts become a reality anyways. I don't hate eve, though it can be boring if you don't mix it up a little. But one thing that keeps coming back to me about the game mechanics is that the era of point and click piloting has got to end! Please CCP... add some piloting skill options into the game. It wouldn't take much to do so and it would add huge amounts of new enjoyment to the game.
Sythyss Paradigm Council	Posted - 2009.05.12 04:05:00 - [10] Originally by: CrestoftheStars ..(considering 70-80% of the playerbase is highsec based it should say that people are not that interested in the pvp fighting part :) ) omg have you even bothered to read our responses? pvp does not mean 0.0. There is tons of pvp in highsec. PvP doesn't even have to involve ships. Our entire market and economy is player-driven, and therefore there's tons of pvp involved. What's not pvp is solo mission running all day. As we have stated, if that's all you're interested in, please go elsewhere.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.12 04:07:00 - [11] I consider my endgame goal to be able to leave EvE and have my name still being mentioned in conversation. I uh, haven't achieved it yet. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Seluko	Posted - 2009.05.12 04:08:00 - [12] Edited by: Seluko on 12/05/2009 04:12:38 Edited by: Seluko on 12/05/2009 04:10:38 I honestly believe that adding missions and other 'Pure PvE' attracted people who then figured out that the game was balanced for PvP, storytelling, and intrigue. (I believe) the mass injection of capital from missioning (through end-mission-million-isk money payments, with tons of npcs each giving isk as fast as you could accept the mission and kill them) directly hurts the entire balance of the game. Adding these 'PvE' ventures should (in my opinion) never have been added, and instead left the only single injection of capital from 'ratting' due to its random nature and dangers (aka. higher rats only in PvP sec) If you dislike the PvP, then PvE will never lead you anywhere except as a way to gain 'Free'(as in money from nowhere) money to fund PvP. This game was never meant to be a WoW-esque game, with everyone holding hands and singing campfire songs and killing those 'evil' baddies. In short (irony) if you dislike the chance for PvP, then this is not the game for you. And I am sorry you were lulled into the game by the 'PvE' marketing/sub-gathering tool. (My this turn into a semi-rant ) PS: Missions ruined mining and made 'rare' items near worthless! (If you want to keep missions make them only give Standing and LP, no bounty or free money edit: or items) PPS: I am a Miner of all Sec statuses, and do not mind the danger of getting popped in my Hulk. Then I can just call my friends for revenge EDIT: PPPS: I consider mining and trade as PvP, due to the direct affect it has on PvP fights.
Bestofworst Gallente Double Eagle Enterprises	Posted - 2009.05.12 04:12:00 - [13] Being in High-sec doesn't mean that person doesn't like PvP. I love PvP but I can't afford to take losses on a daily basis yet. Have you tried Wormholes? Get in a good corp that does W-Space stuff, you'll get to do hard PvE content + occasional PvP firefight which may spark your interest. Give it a shot or quit, all I gotta say. ---- <Insert Wit>
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.12 04:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Seluko Edited by: Seluko on 12/05/2009 04:10:38 I honestly believe that adding missions and other 'Pure PvE' attracted people who then figured out that the game was balanced for PvP, storytelling, and intrigue. (I believe) the mass injection of capital from missioning (through end-mission-million-isk money payments, with tons of npcs each giving isk as fast as you could accept the mission and kill them) directly hurts the entire balance of the game. Adding these 'PvE' ventures should (in my opinion) never have been added, and instead left the only single injection of capital from 'ratting' due to its random nature and dangers (aka. higher rats only in PvP sec) If you dislike the PvP, then PvE will never lead you anywhere except as a way to gain 'Free'(as in money from nowhere) money to fund PvP. This game was never meant to be a WoW-esque game, with everyone holding hands and singing campfire songs and killing those 'evil' baddies. In short (irony) if you dislike the chance for PvP, then this is not the game for you. And I am sorry you were lulled into the game by the 'PvE' marketing/sub-gathering tool. (My this turn into a semi-rant ) PS: Missions ruined mining and made 'rare' items near worthless! (If you want to keep missions make them only give Standing and LP, no bounty or free money) PPS: I am a Miner of all Sec statuses, and do not mind the danger of getting popped in my Hulk. Then I can just call my friends for revenge EDIT: PPPS: I consider mining and trade as PvP, due to the direct affect it has on PvP fights. I never understood the logic of having missions send you to places to kill stuff the Navies should have killed 12 jumps before. No mission should be in hi sec. Agents, sure, but missions? No. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.12 04:18:00 - [15] Player driven content is the only way to stick around for a long time and not regret it. There is maybe enough game content to last a year, two if you consider distraction and timesink sufficient entertainment. After that, people with no imagination tend to leave or whine a lot.
Valeo Apodidae	Posted - 2009.05.12 04:24:00 - [16] Originally by: CrestoftheStars well i really like missioning but lvl 4 missions have just become so boring and easy that it is not even fun anymore and there is nothing to go after, no special high LP reward, or anything that would let me see something speciel about doing it :/ as said i like all the pve, fighting sleepers/rats, but that is only in places where there is a high properbillity of getting into pvp (which i really ain't interested in at all), or else it is just missioning and well after the number X.000 mission you really start to be bored about it XD I think you might need to reconsider sleepers. Last week me and a good friend of mine made an excursion into wormhole space with nothing but two battlecruisers, a couple hundred probes and high expectations. We spent over 2 days "lost" in wormhole space and fighting sleeprs exploring, and it was very very fun. Before this I would occasionally make low sec excursions for pvp and grind missions, but after the fun we had in sleeper space that stuff seems dull. Now me and my friend are planning a small op which will include my orca flying alt, me in a commandship and him in a battlecruiser and bring it all into wormhole space with the intention of living there for up to a week at a time. Wormhole space isn't nearly as dangerous as people make it out to be, and the sense of not knowing who or what might be out there adds a sense of thrill that high sec mission grinding lacks for me. As for pvp in sleeper space? Yea its possible, however I really believe its a lot lower than people lead you to believe. Just run your scanner every 4-5 minutes and keep an eye out thats all.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.12 04:26:00 - [17] The end-game is playing on a team with others. Not pew pew. Not trading. Not missioning.
Belmarduk Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.05.12 04:30:00 - [18] *There is no endgame in Eve* only in games like wow etc.. Mainchar:
Dastycakes Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.12 04:35:00 - [19] Look, when you get your first solo kill against an equal or higher advantage player, the hunting, the adreneline rush, the sweat, the omg i am gonna die turned into omg i got this guy....... Do that and then quit eve cause that is the experience a lot of the players enjoy. I love jumping into capital fights, thats my high in eve. There are some goons -dastommy79
Commander Aeris Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.12 05:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Belmarduk *There is no endgame in Eve* only in games like wow etc.. Endgame in WOW is no different, you grind dungeons to get better lewt to be able to do more dungeons...
Bestofworst Gallente Double Eagle Enterprises	Posted - 2009.05.12 05:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Commander Aeris Originally by: Belmarduk *There is no endgame in Eve* only in games like wow etc.. Endgame in WOW is no different, you grind dungeons to get better lewt to be able to do more dungeons... I still call my faction / corp standings reputation from time to time... ---- <Insert Wit>
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.05.12 05:59:00 - [22] Originally by: Commander Aeris Originally by: Belmarduk *There is no endgame in Eve* only in games like wow etc.. Endgame in WOW is no different, you grind dungeons to get better lewt to be able to do more dungeons... That's not the endgame of EVE. There is no endgame to EVE. In WoW, there is a fixed number of dungeons. Once you run all of those dungeons, that is it. You win I guess. You can grind the same dungeons for .2% chance of getting the item you want but you only do that so you will have an easier time when they release more dungeons. Once you have run every dungeon in WoW, you are done. You have seen everything, nothing will change until Blizzard demands more money from you to run the same treadmill that leads to nowhere. In EVE, there is limitless opportunities and the challenges and experiences change every single day. No scripted dungeons can compare to tens of thousands of unpredictable players. Few EVE players can attempt to say they have accomplished all they can in EVE and no one can claim they have "done" everything in EVE. The game never ends. There is no endgame or goons. If you lack the basic concept of imagination or making your own goals or just trying all aspects of a game then gtfo of EVE and go play WoW/Lotro/whatever and join the mass of un-thinking, clueless, boring, losers that blindly follow whatever is thrown in front of them. Congratulations on being useless. Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.12 06:34:00 - [23] My endgame is 100b ISK Pomp FTW!!!
Galan Amarias Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2009.05.12 06:37:00 - [24] The end game of EVE is epic and hidden. It opens when you contract all your stuff to me. -Galan
Pytria Le'Danness Placid Reborn	Posted - 2009.05.12 06:38:00 - [25] My endgame: To have fun in the game. I achieve it every day, and if not, I simply log out. Corporation RP channel: "PlacidReborn"
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.12 06:39:00 - [26] My endgame; To be here two/five/seven/ten years later still enjoying it as much as i am today. Even if thats not as much fun as i had when i first found EVE, i love this game ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Ralle030583 Eve Service Corp Eve Service Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.12 06:48:00 - [27] Edited by: Ralle030583 on 12/05/2009 06:48:41 possible endgames: - taking part in a ClearSkies movie :-P - try to get more veldspar than chribba (for miner) - trying to collect every ship in game - trying to collect every item in game - pay your eve with spare ISK - standing grindind? - own poschain for production - own space in 0.0 - own outpost - try to get all skills to max (lol good luck :-P) there are so many goals in eve, just pick one and try to reach it, when you reached it, try another one :)
Lt Angus Caldari End Game. Dead End.	Posted - 2009.05.12 06:51:00 - [28] The end goal is quiting please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Thrak'hra	Posted - 2009.05.12 06:54:00 - [29] A little over two years ago, I created a corporation. It began with only my main and my (other) alt, humble beginnings, and a very slow start. Over the course of two years, it has grown beyond anything I could have imagined at the time. I have people from all over the world logging in on a daily basis - to fly together, to die together (internet spaceships, serious business!) but most of all, to have fun. And the crazy fools keep coming back day after day! In a week and a half, I am flying halfway across the country to meet up with a bunch of people from the corp... and we're gonna have our own little "mini-Fanfest"... as friendships have grown from the corp, and beyond the pixels. So that's my endgame... getting together with people from all over, and having some good times - none of which would have happened if it wasn't for this game that we all seem to love so much (and hate at times, too)... and also wouldn't have happened if I didn't decide to make the leap, and take the chance, and make my own corp - just over two years ago. I've experienced most of what the game has to offer, short of a few things like piloting a titan. But nothing left for me to do seems to compare to the transcendence of the game that will be occuring for me in a week and a half. So maybe that's a corny endgame. But it's MY endgame! So my suggestion is to try something your haven't tried before. Maybe start your own corp. See where that takes you. Or there are plenty of other options, too. You just have to think outside the box, sometimes. Bottom line, this game is what you make of it. There is always something new to try or to do that you haven't done before. Expand your horizons - your own "endgame" is out there, yet to be discovered.
ThrashPower Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.12 07:16:00 - [30] eve endgame is flying around in lowsec and nullsec blowing up secure-cans people anchor all over the place.

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