1. PVP
2. Ransom
3. Kick Percentage to Corp
4. XXXXXX
5. PROFIT!

Or you could run sites and kicka percentage to corp, or just declare monthly "dues" to the members that live there. I don't know, since I just follow my initial advice ;)

I made a very easy to use web based plexing manager to our corp/alliance. It has seen plenty of use since its introduction :)

Basicly the FC add participants to a fleet (in the manager) and then add plexes as you go along. If someone joins up the FC add them to the fleet, if someone leaves they get removed from the fleet. Each plex is worth a number of points and is devided among the people doing the plex. Guests can be added manually but regulars can also register through the IGB to make it easier for the FC to add them between plexing occations. As the FC you can basicly set the fleet up in a matter of seconds instead of having to write everything down manually.

When its time for payout the person doing the payout enters the value of the sold loot into the manager, set the tax rate and viola. The individual amount of isk going to each pilot based on their participation... and also how much goes to corp as a tax.

There are 2 real assets associated with eve. Your subscription fee and the time you put into the game. We pay per player for his time. If anything the noctis should get double. DPS boob locks, hits f1/fire and that target is done. So 2 actions per target. Noctis hero locks, tractors, loots, salvages. That's 2x the 'work' per item processed. DPS can actually go afk and get a drink and come back and no one may ever know - they have the easiest job in pve. Pay the salvagers for more work and the logi and scouts for the real work.

Keep it SIMPLE and TRANSPARENT. I've suffered under the various points systems. PLEX POINTS SUX. It's easy for directors to skim and they do. The TL points system is a perfect example. I've witnessed how little folks get paid under it. Their payout systems vary from corp to corp and I won't tell you which one skims and which ones don't. Join them and figure it out yourself. [don't get you panties wadded up kobo it's true for one corp and we both know it - afk directors used to make billions]

You forgot the risk in your equation, ship price as well as the clone and implant costs. The dps pilots usually risk the most expensive ships. A blown-up noctis can be even bigger ISK-wise, but only a fraction of that belongs to the Noctis pilot.

Also, any newbie can salvage, but not everyone can fly a usable combat ship. As in real life, better qualification should pay better.

This is not even unfair imho because why and for what does a new player need as much ISK as a veteran? He has limited options in terms of ships and stuff to spend his money on. I know of guys who as newbies made billions salvaging in our hole before they were even able to do C1s on their own. I have no problems with that, but I do think it's fairly generous.

Fair is not divided or apportioned. Fair simply is. If you need to explain or justify fair.... it is not.

A secure CHA division only accessible to myself and directors was the idea I was going to run with for salvage and expensive goodies.

So to recap:

Take loot
Cash out corpies
Haul loot to trade hub
Profit

For WH-based and Fleet Ops, the Division 4 hangar is used to store the group loot pool. Group loot is dumped into the hangar, and when it is sold the ISK is distributed according to how much each pilot contributed towards the group pool. Gas/Mining "loot" is also stored in Division 4, but is tracked in it's own thread.

Every mission or combat site ran is 1 full share, split among however many pilots participated.

For example, if a trio of pilots run two Anomalies (2 shares total) together, then the salvager puts the loot in Div 4 hangar and the fleet leader adds a post recording the pilot's names and that each earned 2/3 shares from the op.

This system is much simpler than trying to keep specific loot straight for every different mission or fleet night, but still splits things proportionate to how many sites each person ran. Loot from sites completed solo, should still be thrown into the pool with the pilot recording a full 1 share for each site completed. The exception is solo work out of k-space, where it is up to the pilot whether to participate in the loot pool or take care of selling on their own.

Remember: Either way, loot pool or individually sold, the person who ends up selling the WH loot gives the corporation it's cut to help keep the shields up.

Welcome back Ashi, missed you dude. All the wheels fell off your wagon soon after you left. I blame me. How was prison?

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Spoke like a true senior guy that wants to keep the little guy down. Your blade is double edged, but perhaps you did not notice. As the little/new guy risks/needs little great risk to a great man should also mean little. Using percentages [the great equalizer of tyrants] the risk of a mere battleship to one so great and awesome as yourself should be of no consequence. The way you speak of your generosity toward your underlings makes me laugh. Fair is not divided or apportioned. Fair simply is. If you need to explain or justify fair.... it is not.

For those suffering under cyphered plex points or directors that have an odd sense of fair - hit me up via eve mail. Your noctis carries equal weight to my carrier/nightmare/nightmare where we fly free and fair.

My corp has moved into a hole and we have expanded our ranks since moving in. We have various members on at various times due to members being based in either US Pacific time and US Eastern time (3 hour difference and half the people have full time jobs).

When it was my original crew which I work with most of them in RL we would run an op and I would run it out to a trade hub, sell, and split the sale less POS expenses. With the addition of the new members there have been issues of the corp not getting the cut it needs to stay running since corpies are not delivering the cut to the corp wallet.

So I ask how do you handle corp costs and payment to the corp members for ops?

Someone of the pvefleet member loot all wracks
put the whole loot into a secure container
write all names on the cont who fly the site/sites
put it into the co hangar....
??????
after 1-2days Cashout - Tax (tax a bit high, because we get ammo(t2/faction/t1) /some t1 ships/ and t1-t2mods) for free

We normally split it by person

Salvager gets a equal share since they help get the loot faster. Scouts are normally my alt and another persons alt so they dont get extra isk since its same person, but otherwise we would give them a share.

We send a evemail to the directors with the tags/nanos from the sites we run and who was in the fleet, then when a director goes and sells the loot, he pays everyone in a fleet equally from nanos/tags equally and the metal scraps/other salvage are his to keep as payment for transporting the loot. I also throw the numbers into a public google docs so everyone can see it and say if they have a problem with the isk etc. and to make sure me/another director does a stupid thing and miscount... very fun to be missing 600m worth of loot because it was in the wrong tab and you are 20jumps from the hole.

We're a tiny corp so we generally don't have this kind of hassle. We just divvy up the loot on the day, and chip in on POS fuel when we need to. Everything else is on an individual basis. There'd be a lot of hassle otherwise when it came to splitting up the income. The only downside being that motivating people to scan can be an issue. It really is the least glorious job in the corp, and it's represented by the sheer amount of podding and poking that sometimes takes place to get people involved.

But then I wouldn't call us an A-typical corp, and more akin to friends who just hang and run sites together. We're about as chilled out as a corp can get, without being catatonic.

^^Could lead to people forming cliques which are bad news for a corp.

i.e. cutting people out of lucrative sites, logging on to scan at off-times so they can scalp gas or run radars.

Now, there's nothing to stop that now, apart from teamwork, goodwill and the need for pvp backup etc. But once you tell them "pay x per month and what you do is your business" then people may take that as permission to blitz all the sites with their buddy. Not saying that's what will happen, but I think keeping a collective spirit going is very important in a Wh and I'm not sure that approach encourages it.

^^Could lead to people forming cliques which are bad news for a corp.

i.e. cutting people out of lucrative sites, logging on to scan at off-times so they can scalp gas or run radars.

Now, there's nothing to stop that now, apart from teamwork, goodwill and the need for pvp backup etc. But once you tell them "pay x per month and what you do is your business" then people may take that as permission to blitz all the sites with their buddy. Not saying that's what will happen, but I think keeping a collective spirit going is very important in a Wh and I'm not sure that approach encourages it.

^^Could lead to people forming cliques which are bad news for a corp.

i.e. cutting people out of lucrative sites, logging on to scan at off-times so they can scalp gas or run radars.

Now, there's nothing to stop that now, apart from teamwork, goodwill and the need for pvp backup etc. But once you tell them "pay x per month and what you do is your business" then people may take that as permission to blitz all the sites with their buddy. Not saying that's what will happen, but I think keeping a collective spirit going is very important in a Wh and I'm not sure that approach encourages it.

In our corp the loot is held by a director, and he keeps track of who was on the op. Once the loot is sold everyone gets paid a cut, and we have decided to give the corp a cut as well (so if 9 peeps were on an op the split would be 10 ways). We also run occasional ops just for the corp wallet. Our biggest problem with generating corp revenue is that we'd rather PVP, so sometimes we have to force ourselves to carebear for POS fuel :)

We normaly split per Player

mostly because of our social mindset

We count the salvager as full, because we clear a site in the Time he salvages.
exept in very small fleets, we cut the split for the salvager.

the only one we never payed really were our scouts, how do you handle this. they don't really have to pay attention, just have to be there and watch a hole.

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SPLU was a service-organization created to make individual pilots rich. When we started we had the goal of actually doing C6 plexing on a regular basis. When we accomplished that, the goal was extended to do it and get back un-ganked...

But after we learnt that, we failed setting a new goal. Thats most likely the reason why the corp is not around today

On my sheet I give each person an equal share of what they ran and the corp gets a smaller usualy 1/5th share for each site, another FC in our op deducts a 5% tax at the end when the loot is sold. For a while we just had the corp taking all the ISK from the salvage while people got all the tags, this method can really ramp up some ISK for the corp if you get a decent nanoribbon rate and perhaps suprisingly to some of you no one seemed to mind (though this was when they were only worth 4.5-5mil each)


Generaly I find most of the salvage not worth keeping track of, with the obvious exception of Nanoribbons. Just consider it "sales tax tax" and save yourself a lot of extra effort.

When you talk about the points in our manager then if the corp takes the salvage then each point drops from about 1M each to about 0.6 - 0.7 m / point... so if the salvage goes to corp then that is a good 30% tax there already...

So I ask how do you handle corp costs and payment to the corp members for ops?

We have a simple 20-point guide to supplement our various comprehensive spaceship calculus spreadsheets, proprietary loot sharing applications and private algorithms:

1. Look for pew, if found, pew. If not, go to 2.
2. Check if POS still has fuel, go to 1.
3. Play with pyfa
4. Send mail to corp about something important, go afk
5. Do some PI
6. Arrange things in your hangar DIV, rename ships and repair modules
7. Figure out other things you could do instead of shooting red crosses, consider doing a ladar
8. Ladar was ******, give up and go shoot red crosses, aim for the triggers to amuse the guy in the Drake
9. Hope someone jumps you while shooting red crosses and pew happens!
10. If you had to finish the sites, do that industrial thing with the ~Elite Salvaging Vessel~
11. Put things in can, name it after participants
12. Look for pew, if found, pew. If not, log off.
13. Find the can full of loots some days later, go look for pew. If no pew available, go play pew with corpies, but stop at hull.
14. Hope someone else takes the loot to town, log off.
15. Realize you "absolutely" "need" a new ship or more drugs. which are acceptable reasons to go to hisec, take the can with you, sell loots
16. Count number of names on can, divide profits with this number (use Calculator!)
17. Send ISK, no taxes, NPC corps are for taxpaying plebs
18. Go look for pew in your new ship
19. Consider paying yourself out from red cross ops
20. Try out inappropriate ships in red cross ops and lose them, go to 1.