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Nerf Blasters
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.14 01:24:00 -
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While having some fun on sisi earlier, I found out some sweet new tactics that make battleships and capitalships much more fun to fly, no more waiting for align, or worrying about making sure you're aligned to the right celestial if hostiles hit local, now anyone with a cloak can warp in a few seconds, its p. awesome.
Check out this 7x 1600mm plated megathron warping in about 3 seconds:
7x plated megathron!
Oh look, a carrier, entering warp only 6 seconds after clicking "align", awesome!
Naglwhaa?
On behalf of battleship pilots everywhere, I just want to thank CCP for this awesome new feature, I know I'm much more likely to dock my HAC and X up for fleet ops now that I can warp just as fast in my BS.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.05.14 01:34:00 -
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*facepalm* 
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Cingach
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.14 01:35:00 -
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Ohhh so THIS is what CCP meant by fixing cloaking and mwding!
Awesome. Thanks guys!!
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SpongeSlog
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Posted - 2009.05.14 01:40:00 -
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It's not a bug, it's a feature
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Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 01:42:00 -
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u know before posting vids on youtube you should probably submit a bug report lol. or hell include those vids/links in the bug report.
ccp fix mining agent missions % pls |
Donkey Puncher
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Posted - 2009.05.14 01:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Typhado3
u know before posting vids on youtube you should probably submit a bug report lol. or hell include those vids/links in the bug report.
Why? This is funnier, no?
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Tom Zanner
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Posted - 2009.05.14 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: Tom Zanner on 14/05/2009 01:51:42
*facepalms*
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Kaahles
E3 Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.14 02:06:00 -
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there you go...
oh wait... found a better one
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OMG THE SKY IS FALLING!
Contract me all your stuff so I can save it! |
Stretchmeat Crotchquake
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.14 03:34:00 -
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And this change seemed so well thought out!
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Sae Jabar
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Posted - 2009.05.14 03:50:00 -
[10]
CCP never ceases to amaze.
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Kai Lae
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.14 04:51:00 -
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Well at least we now know what that 8th highslot on the mega is for.
I call shenanigans on CCP!
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Zostera
Minmatar
Honour Bound
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:31:00 -
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I suspected this was an indirect nerf to jump bridges all along.
Zos
Vote Mazz 09 CSM |
Tekki Sandan
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:33:00 -
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plated gang abaddons are not going to be exploited..... >:)
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Daedalus II
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:33:00 -
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It's pretty funny that when you yourself post up some suggestion in the ideas forum it gets scrutinized to hell and back and eventually shot down due to 0.05% of the players happen to use the current mechanic in a way you didn't expect. Then CCP themselves do something like this 
They should post up their ideas in the forum too before implementing them!
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Thenoran
Caldari
Tranquility Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:34:00 -
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So much for the MWD/Cloak trick nerf.
Might as well undo it and make Recons and Covert Ops useful again as Scouts.
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Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:36:00 -
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*head-desk*
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putting the gist back into logistics |
Xelios
Minmatar
Broski Enterprises
Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:36:00 -
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I guess taking the laziest possible approach to fixing the ecm+cloak issue wasn't such a good idea after all 
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Redhouse
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:41:00 -
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The legends are true then, they don't play their own game.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:45:00 -
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Haha it is probably worth fitting a cloak to any ship that's slow to align, even in high-sec, just to make use of this. Why wait 15+ seconds to align when you don't have to?
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:47:00 -
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"Thanks CCP!" 
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:52:00 -
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You mean you can warp instantly now with a cloak IF YOU ARE NOT IN A ******* BUBBLE ....
Way to go CCP, fix one problem, produce various new problems and imbalances. But it is ok I guess as nobody told you about problems with the cloak changes so how could you have known...OH WAIT 
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:55:00 -
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Now do you see why we opposed this CCP?
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Haruhiist since December 2008
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:57:00 -
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So, let me get this straight... cloaks in 0.0 have been nerfed, but cloaks in lowsec have been boosted?
Works for me, 0.0 people to hold onto their territory, they have their tools, and those in lowsec can still roam past the zillions of gatecamps that include 2-3 ceptors.
If it's so easy to get past gatecamps still (which I am very happy for from a solo pvp perspective) too bad they had to nerf agility, higher agility made for nicer feeling blaster battles :)
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:59:00 -
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Lol
CCP idea: "we will help lowsec pirates catch people"
Effect: its easier to catch ppl in bubbles. And lowsec got big F U
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Typhado3
u know before posting vids on youtube you should probably submit a bug report lol. or hell include those vids/links in the bug report.
Too bad it's an intended feature. But it's all good, I've been wanting a way to shut off my speed mods mid-cycle for years.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Grek Forto on 14/05/2009 13:06:06
Oh noes, bet I won't be flying my Arazu anymore...
Edit_spelling
Originally by: Stitcher
It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
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Baldegar
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:20:00 -
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This is madness. Just tested this on TQ and it works!
CCP please address this issue as soon as possible!
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Jalif
Minmatar
Black Sinisters
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:20:00 -
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Clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:27:00 -
[29]
I just tested it out , I cannot believe this made it to TQ? 
Align > MWD > Cloak >DeCloak > WARP >InstaWarp
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The Angels Have the Phone Box |
Rhaegor Stormborn
H A V O C
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:32:00 -
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CCP failures will never cease to astound me. I actually thought they were getting better as a company, but apparently not.
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Skystar
Gallente
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:48:00 -
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Just wish they would give freighters a high and mid slot now
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Whom the gods love, dies young!
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Gai Servos
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:53:00 -
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And no CCP responces to ANY of this bull****.
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Clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.14 14:07:00 -
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To be honest, I think they think we are exaggerating. They just dont understand that it allows real instawarping.
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The Angels Have the Phone Box |
Tekki Sandan
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 14:09:00 -
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Ok firstly : how do you expect them to address this issue without undoing what they just did??
Secondly: Carriers out, lets go to lowsec people. 
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Leyline777
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.14 14:18:00 -
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Remember though, supposed to increase engagements in lowsec :). I love the new patch ccp.
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My sig doesn't fit and the sig limit is ******ed >>. (yes this is a "jetcan".. get over it) |
Reven Cordelle
Caldari
Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.14 14:33:00 -
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Juicy revelations here and now!
I'm amused - this is what happens when you try too hard to balance the game based on whines.
Or what happens if you try to balance the game but then inadvertantly make 7x 1600mm Plate Megas the new FOTM.
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Gaogan
Gallente
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.05.14 14:33:00 -
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I don't quite insta warp in a transport with one istab. It still takes about 2 seconds to finish getting up to speed after shutting the cloak off and hitting warp.
And I certainly won't be flying around in my arazu any more, and worry even about my helios. Without being able to coast out of the bubble on cloaked mwd, even a cov ops will have a good chance of being decloaked and pwned at a half decent gate camp.
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Zostera
Minmatar
Honour Bound
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.14 14:37:00 -
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First thing I did on logging in was try my Rapier. It feels heavier I think as a result of the agility, but not a huge difference. When I decloak after jump I am trying the following.
Select a celestial
Hit align
Spam MWD (seems to take a second or two to kick in)
Hit cloak
Speed with MWD before cloak hits maybe 500m/s and drops really fast getting me maybe 2km away from my original decloak point moving at 300m/s (ish). Considering the distance I have moved and the distance required to decloak a ship it leaves me pretty vulnerable. Testing this with an dictor pilot friend gets me decloaked maybe 50% of the time by his dictor burning from 0 off the gate, and still within the radius of a bubble. Feedback from him is that after gate decloak I am visible for a couple seconds while I try and spam MWD (seems to be a significant delay) before cloaking, that couple of seconds is long enough for him to get my exact direction of travel from the tactical overlay. I can only guess at how bad this percentage will be with several inties/frigs at a gate.
Recons for sure got broken.
Zos
Vote Mazz 09 CSM |
Kujin
Cupcake Co.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kujin on 14/05/2009 14:54:08
heh yeah i noticed this... didn't try it with anything bigger than a cruiser though. fun times.
the orca pilots are no doubt filling their pants...
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:28:00 -
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confirming: the "nano" iteron is back. last time i was that fast, i sold hulks for 600mil
i can recommend acc control V and heat though - it's just an AB after all
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putting the gist back into logistics |
Raimo
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:42:00 -
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Damn, those of us in FW cannot use cloaks in enemy hisec... Woulda been perfect for that before it gets fixed. (I hope soon though)
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: Typhado3
u know before posting vids on youtube you should probably submit a bug report lol. or hell include those vids/links in the bug report.
Too bad it's an intended feature. But it's all good, I've been wanting a way to shut off my speed mods mid-cycle for years.
Doesn't it effectively also bring back cycle jamming? You can jam someone to break their lock, cloak, uncloak and you instantly have all your jams ready again? The jam will end when you cloak but the lock will have been broken and you can cycle every 5 seconds or so with a falcon. I haven't tested it yet but shouldn't that also be possible?
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:18:00 -
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i'd say so, yes. modules simply turn off
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putting the gist back into logistics |
Thercon Jair
Minmatar
Nex Exercitus
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:58:00 -
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Well CCP, seeing what you did today, I'm going to post BECAUSE OF FALCON! now every time I post on the eve-o forums. It's your own fault!
I'm really not one to call "FAIL!", I even hate that and think it's "noobish", but in this case, you deserve it.
Killing Covert Ops ship in 0.0, boosting cloaking BSs in empire even further, and completely messing our overviews. Did you notice that negative standings get superimposed over gang symbols? No matter how you shuffle it around in your settings?
Oh, and on a sidenote. Now that war targets have a flashy red background, what makes us tell if something aggressed in empire and can now be shot without repercussions by Concord/sentries?
Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar! |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:24:00 -
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Well I tested this live on Tranq this afternoon and the problem is real. I used a plated geddon with a cloak and mwd and was able to near insta warp gate to gate without any problem whatsoever. Warp delay ranged from insta - to 1.5secs at most.
This is a serious gameplay issue for CCP and needs to be resolved somehow.
Adding my voice to those wanting the developers to consider an immediate fix.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Mya ElleTerego
The Hull Miners Union
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:45:00 -
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Its about damn time, the nano moros of doom is going to be making people cry.
CEO For the Hull Miners Union [ONION]
The Gentlemen's Club (WorkSafe)
The Hull Miners Union [ONION] |
Mystafyre
Caldari
Dark Materials
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.05.14 18:28:00 -
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So, is this only working with cloak?
I just mean that...who the hell will fit a cloak in pvp ship if it doesnt have bonus for it...?
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Baldegar
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.14 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mystafyre
So, is this only working with cloak?
I just mean that...who the hell will fit a cloak in pvp ship if it doesnt have bonus for it...?
Every interdictor, and almost every capital.
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Qe'Rasha
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Posted - 2009.05.14 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: SpongeSlog
It's not a bug, it's a feature
this
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OffBeaT
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.14 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang
You mean you can warp instantly now with a cloak IF YOU ARE NOT IN A ******* BUBBLE ....
Way to go CCP, fix one problem, produce various new problems and imbalances. But it is ok I guess as nobody told you about problems with the cloak changes so how could you have known...OH WAIT
its not a in balance it think.
it was almost imposable solo to move a BS around in 00 systems without losing it. at lest now i can go back to flying a bs to npc in hostile space witch these days is all 00 systems and stand a real chance at keeping it for a bit.. it was so bad for bs i had to stop flying them.
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Grista
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Posted - 2009.05.14 19:45:00 -
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Fitting an Improved Cloak on my Moros now. Not only will it help me warp faster, my hope is it will enable me to exit Siege at will.
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Psi Draconis
Caldari
Pirate Shop
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Posted - 2009.05.14 20:09:00 -
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So are we going to see 400 man battleship fleets fitting cloak now for insta warp?
No more pew pew for zero zero guys?
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.05.14 20:23:00 -
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i think the real issue izz TITANS 6 sec warp allign ft****ing win
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Dart Sirius
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Posted - 2009.05.14 20:32:00 -
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THX CCP for ruining this game even more!!!
Why dont you DEVS just start playing the game before make some more terrible mistakes?
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Athen Kharn
DEATHFUNK
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.14 20:45:00 -
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/facepalm
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Cherybol
Caldari
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2009.05.14 21:02:00 -
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I've never laughed so hard in my life. This is awesome.
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Eve Spair
Caldari
Caldari Excavations Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 21:08:00 -
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This fail is of epic proportions.
And it has made my day.
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Sasha Nakajima
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Posted - 2009.05.14 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Psi Draconis
So are we going to see 400 man battleship fleets fitting cloak now for insta warp?
I know I am. :D
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Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.14 22:25:00 -
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BRB, buying a moros and cloak for solo roaming.
Quote:
EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp
KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.05.14 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Nick Curso on 14/05/2009 22:32:28
WTS cloaks to all cap and titan pilots
and for all you falcon jockeys out there, don't bother waiting for your jamming cycle to complete if it fails its MUCH quicker just to cloak-decloak and do it again.
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Firis Gaad
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Posted - 2009.05.14 23:34:00 -
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oh wow.
i smell a business oppertunity.
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Erick Voliffe
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
CCP failures will never cease to astound me. I actually thought they were getting better as a company, but apparently not.
I think everyone at ccp is only good at making the graphics better they should start outsourcing too improve the gameplay aspect.
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Serj Darek
Black Nova Corp
KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.05.15 03:16:00 -
[63]
I do not think words can describe this bug.
I concur /facepalm
Serj
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SickSeven
The Undead Righteous Knights
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Posted - 2009.05.15 03:19:00 -
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Isn't there a test server? 
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Mahai Ano
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.15 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: SickSeven
Isn't there a test server?
Apparently there is a third test server named Tranquility.... at least that's how it seems from here. CCP, you fail... may I say "yet again"?
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glassmanipulator
Lucian Alliance
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.15 06:54:00 -
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So I get locked down at a gate in a cov ops, but my battleship insta warps.. This makes perfect sense.
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Tibi
Zoners
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Posted - 2009.05.15 07:43:00 -
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Awesome.
This is a new Apocrypha 1.2 feature: - Core cloak redesign. "When the cloak kicks in, ship's nano structure becomes lighter than any known materials, offering virtually zero resistance and mass. Hence the ground breaking new insta warp technology, directly from CCP RND department."
To bad it aint happening in RL :S
T.
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Sternin Mantur
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Posted - 2009.05.15 10:52:00 -
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Never.
Stop.
Coding horribly.
No offense to anyone here, but either you start firing the guys responsible for game "rebalance" in the last six months and a couple of the horrible coders you have or you start losing even more old players than you are actually doing.
Just saying.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.05.15 12:22:00 -
[69]
I like this change. Mwd + cloak travel fit ftw 
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.05.15 12:45:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Typhado3
u know before posting vids on youtube you should probably submit a bug report lol. or hell include those vids/links in the bug report.
Yeah because when fixing mwd+cloak issues CCP test plans surely didn't include tests about it. CCP knew perfectly about the issue and decided to go forward.
That or they have a horrendous bug fixing policy that doesn't include actually verifying that bugs are fixed.
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Baldegar
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.15 16:23:00 -
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I can still warp my Megathron within 6 seconds with this trick on TQ.
So this is supposed to be fixed?
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Lightmans
Caldari
Iskies Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.16 09:17:00 -
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loool... this thread is realy funny :)
Nice bug and big facepalm!
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