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isdisco3
Reaper Industries
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:32:00 -
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I petition that the changes put forth in 1.2 (without any interaction or feedback from the players, I might add) which remove the ability to mwd-cloak should be rolled back. Furthermore, I petition that the 3-second no-mwd delay upon decloaking should also be removed, because it basically guarantees death for anything smaller than a battlecruiser if it hops into a gatecamp.
Both of these things are terrible for small-gang pvp and encourage the blob. It makes roaming about 0.0 in a small group a thing of the past. They are stupid, stupid changes that anyone who has pvp'ed in 0.0 will make the game worse.
Roll back these changes!
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isdisco3
Reaper Industries
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:33:00 -
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Due to the vagaries of this voting system, I hereby support myself.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:36:00 -
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Not supported, <insert carbon copy go back to wow, adapt or perish, etc etc etc here...can't be arsed to actually think of anything interesting here>
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 Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Zostera
Honour Bound
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:39:00 -
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Copy and paste from Patch feedback thread in support of the rollback.
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Ok... now you ask for feedback.
I think feedback would have been better utilised pre-patch, and was in fact available in the game development forum from a large number of players concerned at some of the apparent (but un-announced) changes.
The changes to module activion time and module cut off on cloaking were not raised with the community via a development thread. However a number of players noticed the changes on SISI and tried to give prior warning of the implications to the development team here, here, and here.
At least one of these threads reached 8 pages with no response from CCP in several days of posting.
End result is several seriously broken ship covert ship classes including Recons, which I have highlighted with a little testing on TQ today...
First thing I did on logging in was try my Rapier. It feels heavier I think as a result of the agility, but not a huge difference. When I decloak after jump I am trying the following.
Select a celestial
Hit align
Spam MWD (seems to take a second or two to kick in)
Hit cloak
Speed with MWD before cloak hits maybe 500m/s and drops really fast getting me maybe 2km away from my original decloak point moving at 300m/s (ish). Considering the distance I have moved and the distance required to decloak a ship it leaves me pretty vulnerable. Testing this with an dictor pilot friend gets me decloaked maybe 50% of the time by his dictor burning from 0 off the gate, and still within the radius of a bubble. Feedback from him is that after gate decloak I am visible for a couple seconds while I try and spam MWD (seems to be a significant delay) before cloaking, that couple of seconds is long enough for him to get my exact direction of travel from the tactical overlay. I can only guess at how bad this percentage will be with several inties/frigs at a gate.
Further to this I find that in the absence of a bubble, it is pretty easy to align/mwd/cloak/uncloak/instawarp in a battleship of all things.
End result is that 0.0 specialised scout ships are now pretty much useless in the face of a bubble and a couple of inties, while low-sec gate camps are pretty much useless in the face of anything sporting the new cloak/instawarp combo.
Had CCP announced their intentions with a development thread, and/or responded to the feedback from the community we would not have this issue today. CCP's own failure to communicate has left the game severely broken, and my expectation is that it will take several months of complaints/suggestions/dev blogs/testing to regain any balance.
Very dissapointed.
I know people will respond QQ cry more, but I honestly don't see myself resubscribing in 30 days when it's due.
EDIT: Many players made a significant effort both prior too and post patch to offer moderate, thought out, reasonable feedback. Would CCP please respond to that feedback on this issue please with a reasoned explanation of their intentions and consideration of the results we now have on TQ?
Zos
Vote Mazz 09 CSM |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:41:00 -
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Zedrick, i think you need to have a think about the repercussions of this.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
it does get progressively longer.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
People for Organised Peace
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:45:00 -
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/me pulls up chair
/me sits in it
/me grabs a tall glass of his favorite frapp
/me popcorn
/me sunglasses
/me sits back and enjoys the crying
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Rudebwoy
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:53:00 -
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Jkol0
COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.14 15:58:00 -
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Roll back or be ready to lose your business ccp |
Casino Alkasar
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:02:00 -
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Indeed!
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Gaogan
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:02:00 -
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This change destroys cov ops and recons. They can no longer perform their job as forward scouts. A recon or cov ops even, jumping into a bubble camp while scouting for the main fleet is TOAST because of these changes. This is the most bone headed change in recent memory.
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Welktickler
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:07:00 -
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Covert ops is now useless and will get popped at every camp. As will blockade runners.
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William Pierce
Universal Army
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: William Pierce on 14/05/2009 16:07:56
CCP, you ****ed up, and ****ed up bad. Fix this idiotic change, and listen next time when a huge number of your PAYING CUSTOMERS disagree strongly with a decision.
If you guys want to screw your community, then go ahead. But you will have lost my business.
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Welktickler
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:08:00 -
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Mangold
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:13:00 -
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S1r Minealot
Shade.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:22:00 -
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fail ccp
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Sephrin
Imperium Forces
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:30:00 -
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Fail, now all ships warp in 3 seconds outside of a bubble, and the ships that are supposed to have a chance to get through a bubble don't. Fail fail fail...
/signed, this is why we have you CSM lets see what you can do.
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Riesia
THE UNKNOWN KNOWN
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:30:00 -
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I'm flashy red, I want to make killing people easier but hell even I support this.
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Enden Assulu
Blood Money Inc.
Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Riesia
I'm flashy red, I want to make killing people easier but hell even I support this.
This!
Not sure what CCP where thinking with this one.
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Zostera
Minmatar
Honour Bound
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Zostera on 14/05/2009 16:34:05
CCP Chronitis has apologised and announced a hotifix to the mwd/cloak issue is being worked on asap.
Apocrypha 1.2 feeback thread
Zos
Vote Mazzilliu 09 CSM |
Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:34:00 -
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/Signed.
Roll it back please, and you will have saved many many subscriptions, and made the players happy again.
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Cowboy John
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:34:00 -
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Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:35:00 -
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Either roll it back or fix coverts so they are not effected by this idiocy. |
The Mute
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:36:00 -
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Dan Deoxys
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:39:00 -
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NotFred
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:45:00 -
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Agree entirely, this needs to be fixed.
I'd also like to know why CCP completely ignored this problem and still went live with the changes, despite a huge amount of opposition to the idea in the dev forum
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Dark Assassin15
Phantom Ops Tactical Assault Force
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:46:00 -
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Agreed, you just destroyed small gang's.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:48:00 -
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isdisco3
Reaper Industries
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:48:00 -
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Thankfully, it looks like it is going to be:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1071925&page=2#52
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Sodrus Muir
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:48:00 -
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Cripes...I just got into a recon ship.
/sign |
Lilith Velkor
OVERLOAD.
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:11:00 -
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Stupid change needs to go.
On a side note, think about relieving Nozh from 'balancing' duty and give him a task where he cant harm gameplay that much.
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:17:00 -
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When i get the chance, sometimes i try to solo transports. With this change though, it will be ridiculously easy and although it favours the PvPers, i think it's a terrible change. It completely nullifies the main role of blockade running transports and covert ops.
Please roll back both changes.
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Karazack
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:25:00 -
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/signed
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar
Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:55:00 -
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/me sign for roll back.
better no patch at all than a broken patch.
Quote:
Neu Bastian
Valklear Guard - CEO
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CarbonFury
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 18:01:00 -
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Killmails are still broken. So... what got fixed? All I see is new bugs and some godawful changes. Rollback.
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Darkerz Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.05.14 18:06:00 -
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TERRIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jorund Bork
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.05.14 18:19:00 -
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signed
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Kristos Valamache
Phaze-9
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.14 18:32:00 -
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/signed Roll back cloak MWD (this looks to be getting done as mentioned previously, but thought I'd lend support)
Also roll back the 3 second delay lunacy.
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Karalskir
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Posted - 2009.05.14 18:33:00 -
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signed
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swi55 7ony
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Posted - 2009.05.14 18:33:00 -
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in the words of a large supermarket chain in the UK....... ROLLBACK
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Nomade
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Posted - 2009.05.14 19:39:00 -
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I petition too for the cycle of AB/MWD +cloak
CCP has nerf the single defence of the covert and co....
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CHAOS100
Widowmakers
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Posted - 2009.05.14 19:39:00 -
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sounds like ccp doing its usual quality work
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Dani Leone
Freelancer Union
Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2009.05.14 19:45:00 -
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rollback
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charof
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Posted - 2009.05.14 19:55:00 -
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Nomade
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Posted - 2009.05.14 20:01:00 -
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signed
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Briyen
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Posted - 2009.05.14 20:03:00 -
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/signed
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tristesir
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Posted - 2009.05.14 20:18:00 -
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bonsoir all
the covert ops are dead we can no longer pass the camp gates
we will no longer interest only large alliances retrouvrons quiet
in 0.0 it is on to find that apparently is
tt in case the patch is a nice bTtise I found
a + + +
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Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
People for Organised Peace
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Posted - 2009.05.14 20:45:00 -
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OK... researching this issue... I have to change my mind.
I'm still saying that the whole MWD+Cloak is a glitch/exploit...but I think there's more to this fix than meets the eye.
Supported.
Try try again CCP.
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http://www.shadowcadre.com
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Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense
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Shadow Devourer
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Posted - 2009.05.14 20:57:00 -
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0.0 cov ops get the bat and low sec carriers can instawarp.
Welcome to bizaro eve.
S-u-p-p-o-r-t-e-d
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NanDe YaNen
The Funkalistic
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.05.14 21:03:00 -
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Give covops a cloaked speed bonus at least.
I always thought that the MWD trick was more of an acknowledgment that the projectile turret bonuses on the Cheetah are....not well thought out. |
Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2009.05.14 21:46:00 -
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Petition to relieve CCP Nozh from 'gameplay balancing' duties.
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Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.14 23:24:00 -
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here here
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Keitoshi Yamada
Caldari
Mjolnir Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.15 00:10:00 -
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I do not support.
The delay when uncloaking should be removed, I agree.
Cloak-MWD shouldn't exist.
Stop whining about CCP removing your exploits and pilot your ships better.
Sure, we need to think of ways of fixing some of the problems that these ships have, but being able to MWD while cloaked doesn't even make /sense/ considering how it affects in-game propulsion.
I do not, and will not ever, support the idea of a rollback on this patch. |
Briaeros
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Posted - 2009.05.15 01:14:00 -
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/signed
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Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.05.15 02:21:00 -
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kablighitysigned.
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Soldis
Minmatar
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.15 03:11:00 -
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not supported
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Bunzan Cardinal
Blood Money Bootcamp
Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.05.15 04:04:00 -
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Edited by: Bunzan Cardinal on 15/05/2009 04:03:50
/signed
ccp should be making it harder on gatecampers not easier. Where is the skill in shooting 1 ship with a 14+ blob?
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Maurok Ortega
Universal Army
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.15 05:22:00 -
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/signed
Dont have anything to add that hasn't already been said.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.05.15 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Keitoshi Yamada
Stop whining about CCP removing your exploits and pilot your ships better.
In case you didn't notice, CCP has actually stated that it is a mistake that it was removed, and that they are re-implementing it.
So it's not an exploit.
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Freyya
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.05.15 08:52:00 -
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Signing in even though it has already been admitted by ccp that it was a bad case of being lazy and not checking everything 
I'm signing in to help it get fixed asap. In all honesty I could see a technological reason for non cloak specialized ships to not be able to cloak while mwd. But the specialized ships have indeed been hit hard by this little f. up. I was already wondering why ccp would nerf the blockade runners while they just actually got a role to begin with but i'm glad it will be fixed. Just fix it sooner than asap or just right now please.. i have some high value cargo to transport
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It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
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Eva Cic
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Posted - 2009.05.15 10:00:00 -
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Agree, CCP must fix this and do not destroy cov ops ships, allowing them to perform their role.
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Freyya
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.05.15 11:55:00 -
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Dropping in to state that it seems CCP has corrected the issue. I have no trouble engaging mwd and cloak and the mwd will finish it's cycle.
Please test and see if the issue has been fixed with you aswell.
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It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
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ANGUS WHISKEYJACK
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Posted - 2009.05.15 12:31:00 -
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Kralin Ignatov
Mentis Fidelis
Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.05.15 13:11:00 -
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/signed
please ccp, let this serve as a lesson to announce all changes.
We can help, really.
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Voculus
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.15 15:46:00 -
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Don Pellegrino
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Posted - 2009.05.16 23:07:00 -
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We need the covert ops ships!
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DragonWarp
Forsaken Forerunners
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2009.05.17 03:41:00 -
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I'll sign this petition in a heartbeat... Oh wait, I am!
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Welktickler
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Posted - 2009.05.17 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Freyya
Edited by: Freyya on 15/05/2009 12:45:00
Dropping in to state that it seems CCP has corrected the issue. I have no trouble engaging mwd and cloak and the mwd will finish it's cycle.
Please test and see if the issue has been fixed with you aswell.
Edit: It also appears it has been a quick and dirty fix. When engaging warp the mwd will display a cycle after you clicked it while it states you can't do that due to warp. Once you actually enter warp it displays the message again and the cycle is cut short a bit. It doesn't appear to speed up the process of going to warp so it seems to be a graphical bug.
Can anyone confirm that all cloaking issues have been fixed? I am away all weekend so can login and test. What has been fixed?
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.05.17 14:57:00 -
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MWD / AB cycle works again. Delay has not be reverted, it takes much longer to activate the cloak after breaking the gate cloak.
~ Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic |
Orb Lati
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:36:00 -
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The devs haven't actually stated the 3sec delay after gate de-cloak is a bug or intended feature. only that the mwd terminating on cloak is a bug.
Heres hopping that it will be corrected.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.05.18 04:09:00 -
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Edited by: Razin on 18/05/2009 04:10:24
The 3 second delay to activate modules after the post-jump decloak needs to go.
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