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AngelGrinder
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Posted - 2004.09.07 10:58:00 -
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an osprey mining is the same to an apoc minuing, id have some troulbe solo mining in a 0.2/0.1 system in an osprey.
And to even say an osprey is close to an apoc is a joke. With lvl 5 cruiser you have the equivalent of 6 lasers.
Apoc has 8, plus the 1500m3 of drone space.
I dont want insta kill, but i fired of 2mil worth of cruise at this 500k dominix and it didnt die, thats not insta kill, thats a waste of money and time.
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AngelGrinder
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Posted - 2004.09.07 10:58:00 -
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an osprey mining is the same to an apoc minuing, id have some troulbe solo mining in a 0.2/0.1 system in an osprey.
And to even say an osprey is close to an apoc is a joke. With lvl 5 cruiser you have the equivalent of 6 lasers.
Apoc has 8, plus the 1500m3 of drone space.
I dont want insta kill, but i fired of 2mil worth of cruise at this 500k dominix and it didnt die, thats not insta kill, thats a waste of money and time.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.09.07 10:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Riddari
Caldari don't suck at mining anymore after they got the Osprey bonus.
It mines almost as much as an apoc now.
I wouldn't call the equivalent of 6 lasers at Caldari Cruiser 5 (!!!!) "almost as much". It's 25% less, and equivalent with a Tempest for mining :P
For that matter, at a more realistic Cruiser 4 skill, you get the equivalent of 5.4 laser's worth of mining, which puts it only a bit better than a Thorax.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.09.07 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
Caldari don't suck at mining anymore after they got the Osprey bonus.
It mines almost as much as an apoc now.
I wouldn't call the equivalent of 6 lasers at Caldari Cruiser 5 (!!!!) "almost as much". It's 25% less, and equivalent with a Tempest for mining :P
For that matter, at a more realistic Cruiser 4 skill, you get the equivalent of 5.4 laser's worth of mining, which puts it only a bit better than a Thorax.
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AngelGrinder
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Posted - 2004.09.07 11:17:00 -
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yea, even then, it still has less hitpoints and less dronespace than the thorax.
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AngelGrinder
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Posted - 2004.09.07 11:17:00 -
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yea, even then, it still has less hitpoints and less dronespace than the thorax.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.09.07 12:02:00 -
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Caldari got the only good EW ships though (BB, scorp). No other race has any comparable EW cruisers or BS.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.09.07 12:02:00 -
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Caldari got the only good EW ships though (BB, scorp). No other race has any comparable EW cruisers or BS.
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AngelGrinder
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Posted - 2004.09.07 12:14:00 -
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NPCs are invunerable to EW, making half of our role usless for that side of eve.
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AngelGrinder
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Posted - 2004.09.07 12:14:00 -
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NPCs are invunerable to EW, making half of our role usless for that side of eve.
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Claus
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Posted - 2004.09.07 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Darkwolf
Originally by: Riddari
Caldari don't suck at mining anymore after they got the Osprey bonus.
It mines almost as much as an apoc now.
I wouldn't call the equivalent of 6 lasers at Caldari Cruiser 5 (!!!!) "almost as much". It's 25% less, and equivalent with a Tempest for mining :P
For that matter, at a more realistic Cruiser 4 skill, you get the equivalent of 5.4 laser's worth of mining, which puts it only a bit better than a Thorax.
That completely depends on the ore you mine. If you mine something like bistot which is 16 m3, then an osprey is better than a tempest (assuming cald cruiser 5).
Mining 5 and astro 4 is pretty normal to have. That means each miner II gives 90 m3. 90/16 = 5. With cald cruiser 5 a miner II gives 180 m3. 180/16 = 11. So the tempest can suck in 30 bistot a minute and the osprey 33. The apoc can do 40.
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Claus
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Posted - 2004.09.07 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Darkwolf
Originally by: Riddari
Caldari don't suck at mining anymore after they got the Osprey bonus.
It mines almost as much as an apoc now.
I wouldn't call the equivalent of 6 lasers at Caldari Cruiser 5 (!!!!) "almost as much". It's 25% less, and equivalent with a Tempest for mining :P
For that matter, at a more realistic Cruiser 4 skill, you get the equivalent of 5.4 laser's worth of mining, which puts it only a bit better than a Thorax.
That completely depends on the ore you mine. If you mine something like bistot which is 16 m3, then an osprey is better than a tempest (assuming cald cruiser 5).
Mining 5 and astro 4 is pretty normal to have. That means each miner II gives 90 m3. 90/16 = 5. With cald cruiser 5 a miner II gives 180 m3. 180/16 = 11. So the tempest can suck in 30 bistot a minute and the osprey 33. The apoc can do 40.
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AngelGrinder
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Posted - 2004.09.07 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: AngelGrinder on 07/09/2004 13:43:13
the tempest isnt gonna get totally killed by a spawn tho, it can atleast tank decent damage before dying.
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AngelGrinder
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Posted - 2004.09.07 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: AngelGrinder on 07/09/2004 13:43:13
the tempest isnt gonna get totally killed by a spawn tho, it can atleast tank decent damage before dying.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.09.07 13:33:00 -
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hey angel, remember me? we will have to catch up when im back online, on thursday. maybe we could go for a group hunt somewhere?
I know wot ur saying about torps v NPC's. Having used them on my scorp its a totally crap way of hunting NPC's. Seriously expensive and not worth it at all.
ON ya raven (and im getting one in a week or so too) why not try 4 launchers and 4 turrets? for NPc hunting it should be pretty good. some medium range hybrids like the 350's, supplemented with cruise or torps should do the trick. Not sure if raven has the grid for a fitting like this.
Just a suggestion thou 
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.09.07 13:33:00 -
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hey angel, remember me? we will have to catch up when im back online, on thursday. maybe we could go for a group hunt somewhere?
I know wot ur saying about torps v NPC's. Having used them on my scorp its a totally crap way of hunting NPC's. Seriously expensive and not worth it at all.
ON ya raven (and im getting one in a week or so too) why not try 4 launchers and 4 turrets? for NPc hunting it should be pretty good. some medium range hybrids like the 350's, supplemented with cruise or torps should do the trick. Not sure if raven has the grid for a fitting like this.
Just a suggestion thou
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AngelGrinder
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Posted - 2004.09.07 13:39:00 -
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rgr that eyshadow, speak to ya ingame when i next see ya.
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AngelGrinder
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Posted - 2004.09.07 13:39:00 -
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rgr that eyshadow, speak to ya ingame when i next see ya.
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X 00
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Posted - 2004.09.07 14:26:00 -
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I hunt a lot with raven,and I don't find missiles too bad at all, the main downfall is the expense, but in return for that cost I get insta kills against interceptor npc`s using cruise,without even having to go the hassle and expense of using drones, which die at a phenomenal rate(though I keep them for backup), and of course can choose exactly what type of damage I wish to do, thereby maximising the effectiveness of my missiles/torps.
Another point about npcs's, the Angel ones anyhow, battleships are mostly close range so they mwd on top of you, hence making it easy to start hitting quickly with torps, I would be surprised if someone in a tempest, or other turret based ship, could kill a 1 mil or 1.5 mil npc battleship, much quicker than a well kitted raven and skilled pilot.
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X 00
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Posted - 2004.09.07 14:26:00 -
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I hunt a lot with raven,and I don't find missiles too bad at all, the main downfall is the expense, but in return for that cost I get insta kills against interceptor npc`s using cruise,without even having to go the hassle and expense of using drones, which die at a phenomenal rate(though I keep them for backup), and of course can choose exactly what type of damage I wish to do, thereby maximising the effectiveness of my missiles/torps.
Another point about npcs's, the Angel ones anyhow, battleships are mostly close range so they mwd on top of you, hence making it easy to start hitting quickly with torps, I would be surprised if someone in a tempest, or other turret based ship, could kill a 1 mil or 1.5 mil npc battleship, much quicker than a well kitted raven and skilled pilot.
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AngelGrinder
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Posted - 2004.09.07 14:47:00 -
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well, raven isnt *as* bad, but the scorp just royally sucks, it main power is totally stripped away by NPCs being unjammable. 4 cruise launchers, no matter what distance i tried *could NOT* break the dominix armour tank.
Thats the problem, i could sent him 100mil in cruise, but he has infinate cap, so he can keep on boosting, you have to out damage them, you cant sit their and slowly drain energy, you need power, and you need it fast.
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AngelGrinder
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Posted - 2004.09.07 14:47:00 -
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well, raven isnt *as* bad, but the scorp just royally sucks, it main power is totally stripped away by NPCs being unjammable. 4 cruise launchers, no matter what distance i tried *could NOT* break the dominix armour tank.
Thats the problem, i could sent him 100mil in cruise, but he has infinate cap, so he can keep on boosting, you have to out damage them, you cant sit their and slowly drain energy, you need power, and you need it fast.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.09.07 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Outcastino
Edited by: Outcastino on 07/09/2004 09:32:40
I tried 6x1400mm with 5 gyro II and got about ~250 dmg/sec(unhardened shields). Which is ****. Not counting misses here.
If you use torps with a rof of what....15 seconds lets say...thats 6x~600 dmg. Meanst 3600....Divided with 15...is
240. And i dont think you had to bother a lot to get get such ROF and DMG. While the tempest had to sacrifice 5 low slots.
So maybe. Its your ****ty skills. Or maybe its the other guys divine skills. Who knows. I personally am afraid to go npc hunting alone in a tempest.
Maybe just ****ty knowledge of the game. Torps are affected by resistances too, you know. Beside of that your values are completely off, 540 usually so with resistances around 250 damage per torp.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.09.07 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Outcastino
Edited by: Outcastino on 07/09/2004 09:32:40
I tried 6x1400mm with 5 gyro II and got about ~250 dmg/sec(unhardened shields). Which is ****. Not counting misses here.
If you use torps with a rof of what....15 seconds lets say...thats 6x~600 dmg. Meanst 3600....Divided with 15...is
240. And i dont think you had to bother a lot to get get such ROF and DMG. While the tempest had to sacrifice 5 low slots.
So maybe. Its your ****ty skills. Or maybe its the other guys divine skills. Who knows. I personally am afraid to go npc hunting alone in a tempest.
Maybe just ****ty knowledge of the game. Torps are affected by resistances too, you know. Beside of that your values are completely off, 540 usually so with resistances around 250 damage per torp.
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Nick Parker
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Posted - 2004.09.07 17:45:00 -
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Angelgrinder,
I agree missles are a little pricey, but If you have Good communication and Manually launch the missles instead of autorepeat, you will do much better with em
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Nick Parker
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Posted - 2004.09.07 17:45:00 -
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Angelgrinder,
I agree missles are a little pricey, but If you have Good communication and Manually launch the missles instead of autorepeat, you will do much better with em
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.09.07 18:11:00 -
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A Raven with torps will do similair, if not more, damage than a blasterthron, from zero to over a hundred kilometers.
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.09.07 18:11:00 -
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A Raven with torps will do similair, if not more, damage than a blasterthron, from zero to over a hundred kilometers.
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2004.09.07 19:03:00 -
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i doubt many people will stay at 100km and stare at the torpedos doing 900 m/s (with caldari BS 4) and wait 2 mins till they get to them.
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2004.09.07 19:03:00 -
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i doubt many people will stay at 100km and stare at the torpedos doing 900 m/s (with caldari BS 4) and wait 2 mins till they get to them.
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