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dannyBOy16437
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Posted - 2009.05.15 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: dannyBOy16437 on 15/05/2009 08:30:30
After seeing a non-stop stream of CNR undocking from a single station, I've been tempted to have a go at killing them at their missions.
My plan is to use a salvaging dessy to salvage and loot their wrecks, and (Hopefully) they aggro me, whereapon I go and dock, switch into my neuting armageddon and warp back, then attempt to kill the carebear. 
Here is it's setup:
High
4 x Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
2 x Heavy Diminishing Power Systems Drain I
2 x Dual Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Med
1 x Warp Disruptor II
1 x Statis Web II
1 x Heavy Capacitor Booster II (With 800s)
Low
1 x Cap Power Relay
3 x Armor Explosive/Kinetic/Thermal Hardeners II
1 x Adaptive Nano Plating II
1 x 1600mm Steel Plates II
1 x Damage Control II
1 x Large Armor Repairer II
It Drains a well-fitted raven in 45~60 seconds. my dps is 207 (With med drones), and cap stable with the booster at 53%.
So I have 2 questions:
1) Are there any other ways to be abe to kill a mission runner?
and
2) How could I improve my setup?
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Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari
Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.15 08:46:00 -
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if it really was a non-stop stream of CNR's, your tactic won't work really. Usually these streams are Bot's, which obviously won't aggro you, whatever you steal from them.
Also they are in npc corps, which makes it impossible to declare war on them. Suicide ganks are not a long term option so imho the only REAL solution to get rid of them, is a goddamn needed lvl 3 and lvl 4 high sec nerf.
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Intigo
Amarr
Endemic Aggression
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.05.15 08:52:00 -
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4 Heavy Neut Geddon? Duuude...no.
Domis are good Neut ships but even they don't fit more than 2 or 3 at most and they have a drone damage bonus - you don't. Just fit it like a normal Geddon, throw on 7 Pulses, one Neut and a big-ass armor tank (mostly passive, can use one LAR with a Cap Booster in your Mids).
Hardeners are bad, train up your Armor Compensation skills and use EANMs.
Don't use Cap Relays.
Damage mods - fit some.
Have a look at most standard PvP setups for a Geddon and just go with that. It should demolish a missioning Cruise Raven.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.15 08:53:00 -
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2) How could I improve my setup?
1600mm plate II... I'd have used the rolled tungsten for less fitting issues and less inertia.
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Mistress Jeanette
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Posted - 2009.05.15 14:44:00 -
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don't you guys understand the circle of life in EVE.
High-sec carebears are simply the alts of your low-sec griefers.
If they nerf hi-sec lvl 3 & 4 missioning then you'll all be SOL because as we all know you can't make a living at pirating and most of you are too single minded to manufacture as a career.
Why do so many seek this holy grail of "what is the loop-hole to kill a carebear without him being able to do anything about it"....go into low-sec there will be plenty that would love to fight you there.
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Carapace Cassius
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Posted - 2009.05.15 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Jeanette
Why do so many seek this holy grail of "what is the loop-hole to kill a carebear without him being able to do anything about it"....go into low-sec there will be plenty that would love to fight you there.
This.
Even if those mission runners are indeed real carebears (and not just alts trying to make money), those guys who insist on looking for loopholes to grief people in high sec seriously lack a pair of balls - which is way, way worse than carebearing.
Either suck up to suicide ganking or to the sec status loss in low sec. Be a man, damnit. Everyone can lure children and then steal their candies.
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.05.15 14:59:00 -
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I have no highsec carebear alts, i hate pve in this game with a passion and refuse to participate, therefore I should be free to find loopholes to kill all those highsec carebear alts.
except I can't go into highsec because i'm -10 from killing all those low sec griefers.
The opinions expressed in my posts do represent my corp
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.05.15 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Jeanette
Why do so many seek this holy grail of "what is the loop-hole to kill a carebear without him being able to do anything about it"....go into low-sec there will be plenty that would love to fight you there.
Well, because it is fun to roflstomp people from time to time. In counter-strike it is still fun to ace a team with all deagle one-shots even if they are vastly inferior to you in terms of skill (which is necessary for such a scenario to unfold).
EVE is no different in terms of playerbase and perhaps worse because involuntary PVP is a game mechanic and that attracts a LOT of griefers. It also attracts a lot of people like me who are generally pretty nice but just like having risk so it is balanced I would say.
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Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente
The Flying Tigers
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Posted - 2009.05.15 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jarvis Hellstrom on 15/05/2009 15:17:30
Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki
the only REAL solution to get rid of them, is a goddamn needed lvl 3 and lvl 4 high sec nerf.
LOL!
This old saw AGAIN?
Oh my - other people don't like to play the game the way *I* want them to so CCP should change the game so that they quit.
Because that's all that this would acheive.
People run missions because they don't want to do PvP. If you want to, great. There are lots of places to do that.
My wife is mostly a miner. But these days, because she needs higher level agents for research, she's missioning in high sec to work up her status. She does this while trying to get things done around the house and spend time with and mind a very clever 2.5 year old with a tendency to create very interesting and destructive messes.
She likes to play EVE, but the focus required for low sec PvP ops is not available to her due to RL concerns.
Change the game as you describe and she goes back to mining or quits completely.
Honestly, think about things from the perspective of others. They matter too.
May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk
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Mistress Jeanette
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Posted - 2009.05.15 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere
I have no highsec carebear alts, i hate pve in this game with a passion and refuse to participate, therefore I should be free to find loopholes to kill all those highsec carebear alts.
except I can't go into highsec because i'm -10 from killing all those low sec griefers.
The same passion with which you hate PVE, some have for PVP...so in your thinking, there should be someway for a carebear to then make you PVE right?
Look to each his own, I just don't agree that we should force "carebears" to PVP if they don't want to anymore than we force PVPer's to mine or do whatever it is they hate to do.
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Carapace Cassius
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Posted - 2009.05.15 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Carapace Cassius on 15/05/2009 15:32:26
This is extreme, but hopefully will give a pretty good idea why you fail so badly at reasoning:
Originally by: Rajere
I have no highsec carebear alts, i hate pve in this game with a passion and refuse to participate, therefore I should be free to find loopholes to kill all those highsec carebear alts.
except I can't go into highsec because i'm -10 from killing all those low sec griefers.
Quote:
I have no black friends, i hate black people in this country with a passion and refuse to congregate, therefore I should be free to find opportunities to kill all those black people.
except I can't go into the places they live because I'm in jail from killing all the small-time gangsters I could in poor and remote districts.
Want to have a good time scaring carebears? Fine. Go and gank them. Just be a man and accept that you do it for the lulz, so you have no problems to suffering any possible consequence. Loopholes and playstyle nerfs are for cowards.
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Jaflops Droehni
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Posted - 2009.05.15 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: dannyBOy16437
My plan is to use a salvaging dessy to salvage and loot their wrecks, and (Hopefully) they aggro me, whereapon I go and dock, switch into my neuting armageddon and warp back, then attempt to kill the carebear.
First: Learn the game mechanics. Tbh, your carebear envy makes me happy in the pants.
But back on subject ..., so you will salvage their wrecks, and they will aggro you ...
That's a realllyy good plan Herr Doktor!
Oh wait ..., before you even aligned to station Concord will have popped that CNR. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.15 17:21:00 -
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Quote:
But back on subject ..., so you will salvage their wrecks, and they will aggro you ...
That's a realllyy good plan Herr Doktor!
Oh wait ..., before you even aligned to station Concord will have popped that CNR.
Imho a viable way is to flip a loot can / a wreck. Should make things more "player" oriented than Concord.
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.05.15 17:24:00 -
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7 guns
1 heavy nute
and some vespa or wasp ECM drones should work very nice
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Multipurpose Cleaner
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Posted - 2009.05.15 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jaflops Droehni
Originally by: dannyBOy16437
My plan is to use a salvaging dessy to salvage and loot their wrecks, and (Hopefully) they aggro me, whereapon I go and dock, switch into my neuting armageddon and warp back, then attempt to kill the carebear.
First: Learn the game mechanics. Tbh, your carebear envy makes me happy in the pants.
First: Learn to read before picking apart someone's post. I bolded the relevant part for your ease.
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zombeee
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.15 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: zombeee on 15/05/2009 18:59:43
Originally by: Mistress Jeanette
High-sec carebears are simply the alts of your low-sec griefers.
No. And "griefers"?. Please.
Originally by: Mistress Jeanette
Look to each his own, I just don't agree that we should force "carebears" to PVP if they don't want to anymore than we force PVPer's to mine or do whatever it is they hate to do.
BUT WHY??? Every other profession in this game is PvP! (ok not mining so much) The bots flood any "playstyle" where it's predictable and programmable. Mining, mission, spamming. These professions need to be not doable by a machine. The solution is not necessarily to introduce PvP, but AFK mission running = not okay! Can you agree with that?
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.15 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 15/05/2009 19:05:55
OP:
Any ship for looting will do. Just know that if your goal is to actually salvage/loot effectively, you will want a frigate (salvaging) or an agile cruiser (looting).
If your sole goal is to gain aggro, then a destroyer might make you look like a ninja who doesn't know what he's doing and thus would make him get careless. A ship that's weak (like an industrial) might make him overconfident as well. Or, something expensive; a corpmate reports lots of missionrunner aggro when he uses his Fleet Stabber compared to his normal Stabber.
as far as your ship fittings: entirely unnecessary. Missionrunner tanks are very fragile cap-wise. You have very little DPS, and that many neuts is ENTIRELY unnecessary. 2x Heavy neuts will do fine to destabilize his tank. Just make sure you stagger them (Activate one, then the other halfway through the cycle) so he can't regain cap and thus run his tank inbetween neut cycles.
Also, he could be far away from the warpin point. Get an afterburner on the thing or you'll have tackling issues. Make sure to overheat your AB/Disruptor for the initial tackle.
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Miney Prospector
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.05.16 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jaflops Droehni
Originally by: dannyBOy16437
My plan is to use a salvaging dessy to salvage and loot their wrecks, and (Hopefully) they aggro me, whereapon I go and dock, switch into my neuting armageddon and warp back, then attempt to kill the carebear.
First: Learn the game mechanics. Tbh, your carebear envy makes me happy in the pants.
But back on subject ..., so you will salvage their wrecks, and they will aggro you ...
That's a realllyy good plan Herr Doktor!
Oh wait ..., before you even aligned to station Concord will have popped that CNR.
..... salvage AND loot... AND LOOT.
If you're going to try and be a smart ass atleast have read the original post correctly, otherwise you just look like a dumb ass.
I'm goin' to Delve City, Delve City here I come! |
Arran Ramir
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Posted - 2009.05.16 08:00:00 -
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Sollution for the bots is simple, make mission so, you need too actually think a bit too do them, what would also prolly make them a bit more interresting to do :P
But i agree that not all carebears are full-time carebears... guilty on part-time carebearing as well here, when my wallet is reaching the point i cant efford the ships i just lost in PvP its time too get that trusted cnr from my mission hangar and starting running those boring missions again, while watching a movie or 2 in progress, and get that wallet up again, get myself some new ships, slam them in a transporter and move it asap too 0.0 and get the hell out of empire again before i go mentally
Back OT...
You can try ofc. maybe a n00b mission runner or a alt would fall for mostly trickery into aggro you, but the average part-time beared/pvp player main/alt on missions prolly wont even give you a second look, prolly even shrugging and shaking his head if your trying too loot his stuff and continues with his grinding, or even tease you by shooting the wrecks before you even get close too them :P..
The average CNR bot, wont give you a second look, because, well, they are maybe bots ;)
And the average n00b who would fall for it, prolly wont even fly a cnr
sorry mate, sadly, you just prolly annoy just yourself, hoping too pick one of those cnr's off in empire as gankkill..
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.05.16 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Jeanette
The same passion with which you hate PVE, some have for PVP...so in your thinking, there should be someway for a carebear to then make you PVE right?
Look to each his own, I just don't agree that we should force "carebears" to PVP if they don't want to anymore than we force PVPer's to mine or do whatever it is they hate to do.
1. WoW > That way. Seriously, Eve has the most atrocious PVE content of any MMO ever conceived. No one would deny this, not even CCP. Eve is a 100% pure PVP game, playing this game if you hate PVP is like buying a Car because you hate Driving. What then? Leave it in your and watch it collect dust? Actually that has about the same amount of entertainment value of Eve minus PVP.
2. Since it wasn't blatantly obvious enough, I was trolling you. I'm an outlaw, I haven't been to highsec in over 2 years. I don't care what goes on in Highsec, you can have wild carebear orgies for all I care.
3. The game already requires every player to be able to make ISK in order to PVP, which means the vast majority of PVPers are forced to do some sort of PVE. Therefore by your reasoning you agree with the OP, carebears should be forced into doing some sort of PVP (which would amount to getting ganked and dying).
The opinions expressed in my posts do represent my corp
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Master Ninurta
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.05.17 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere
1. WoW > That way. Seriously, Eve has the most atrocious PVE content of any MMO ever conceived. No one would deny this, not even CCP. Eve is a 100% pure PVP game, playing this game if you hate PVP is like buying a Car because you hate Driving. What then? Leave it in your and watch it collect dust? Actually that has about the same amount of entertainment value of Eve minus PVP.
I think you are wrong. In my corp several members are enjoying mining, playing the market, building, ie the whole industrial process. Whenever our corp gets decced they withdraw to safer systems and continue with what they find amusing, while the rest of us that are more bloodthirsty go to war. They like it. Why? I have no idea, but they seem to have fun safing it while the rest of us go to war with a grin.
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Bestofworst
Gallente
Double Eagle Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.17 14:29:00 -
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You may be the soldier that goes to war. But the carebear is the man who repossesses your home and sleeps with your wife.
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S McKellop
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Posted - 2009.05.17 14:45:00 -
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If a mass carebear killing starts, then the carebears will quit playing... hence Eve will die. Then none of us will have anything to do.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.05.17 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Master Ninurta
Originally by: Rajere
1. WoW > That way. Seriously, Eve has the most atrocious PVE content of any MMO ever conceived. No one would deny this, not even CCP. Eve is a 100% pure PVP game, playing this game if you hate PVP is like buying a Car because you hate Driving. What then? Leave it in your and watch it collect dust? Actually that has about the same amount of entertainment value of Eve minus PVP.
I think you are wrong. In my corp several members are enjoying mining, playing the market, building, ie the whole industrial process. Whenever our corp gets decced they withdraw to safer systems and continue with what they find amusing, while the rest of us that are more bloodthirsty go to war. They like it. Why? I have no idea, but they seem to have fun safing it while the rest of us go to war with a grin.
Some people have so stressing job in real life, that they want to relax. They take couple beers and watch how mining lazorz bites dust.
PVP needs quite much attention and can be quite stressing in long terms.
Some of us want to build better world, some want to destroy it, that is how life goes.
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Ragnar Darkstar
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Posted - 2009.05.17 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bestofworst
You may be the soldier that goes to war. But the carebear is the man who repossesses your home and sleeps with your wife.
Wait. Carebears are $&^&# Jody!?! 
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Intigo
Amarr
Endemic Aggression
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.05.17 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere
Originally by: Mistress Jeanette
The same passion with which you hate PVE, some have for PVP...so in your thinking, there should be someway for a carebear to then make you PVE right?
Look to each his own, I just don't agree that we should force "carebears" to PVP if they don't want to anymore than we force PVPer's to mine or do whatever it is they hate to do.
1. WoW > That way. Seriously, Eve has the most atrocious PVE content of any MMO ever conceived. No one would deny this, not even CCP. Eve is a 100% pure PVP game, playing this game if you hate PVP is like buying a Car because you hate Driving. What then? Leave it in your and watch it collect dust? Actually that has about the same amount of entertainment value of Eve minus PVP.
You are an idiot.
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Hobgoblin ll
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Posted - 2009.05.17 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki
if it really was a non-stop stream of CNR's, your tactic won't work really. Usually these streams are Bot's, which obviously won't aggro you, whatever you steal from them.
And how exactly do YOU know that ? Did you interview them ? Or know them personally ? Or do you know that because you have Bots yourself ? Or do you just make an unqulified talk at large ?
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FlyinS
Caldari
Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.05.18 15:33:00 -
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Back on the subject of the OP's fitting...
I run an active tanked CNR for missions when I need to gain cash back and can say for sure that 2 neuts would do the trick easily. Many CNRs are built for "burst" shield tanking with a booster and without cap...dead in short order.
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Tesal
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Posted - 2009.05.18 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere
Originally by: Mistress Jeanette
The same passion with which you hate PVE, some have for PVP...so in your thinking, there should be someway for a carebear to then make you PVE right?
Look to each his own, I just don't agree that we should force "carebears" to PVP if they don't want to anymore than we force PVPer's to mine or do whatever it is they hate to do.
1. WoW > That way. Seriously, Eve has the most atrocious PVE content of any MMO ever conceived. No one would deny this, not even CCP. Eve is a 100% pure PVP game, playing this game if you hate PVP is like buying a Car because you hate Driving. What then? Leave it in your and watch it collect dust? Actually that has about the same amount of entertainment value of Eve minus PVP.
2. Since it wasn't blatantly obvious enough, I was trolling you. I'm an outlaw, I haven't been to highsec in over 2 years. I don't care what goes on in Highsec, you can have wild carebear orgies for all I care.
3. The game already requires every player to be able to make ISK in order to PVP, which means the vast majority of PVPers are forced to do some sort of PVE. Therefore by your reasoning you agree with the OP, carebears should be forced into doing some sort of PVP (which would amount to getting ganked and dying).
Daddy, where does isk come from?
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iPedo
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.05.19 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tesal
Originally by: Rajere
Originally by: Mistress Jeanette
The same passion with which you hate PVE, some have for PVP...so in your thinking, there should be someway for a carebear to then make you PVE right?
Look to each his own, I just don't agree that we should force "carebears" to PVP if they don't want to anymore than we force PVPer's to mine or do whatever it is they hate to do.
1. WoW > That way. Seriously, Eve has the most atrocious PVE content of any MMO ever conceived. No one would deny this, not even CCP. Eve is a 100% pure PVP game, playing this game if you hate PVP is like buying a Car because you hate Driving. What then? Leave it in your and watch it collect dust? Actually that has about the same amount of entertainment value of Eve minus PVP.
2. Since it wasn't blatantly obvious enough, I was trolling you. I'm an outlaw, I haven't been to highsec in over 2 years. I don't care what goes on in Highsec, you can have wild carebear orgies for all I care.
3. The game already requires every player to be able to make ISK in order to PVP, which means the vast majority of PVPers are forced to do some sort of PVE. Therefore by your reasoning you agree with the OP, carebears should be forced into doing some sort of PVP (which would amount to getting ganked and dying).
Daddy, where does isk come from?
from my pocket. reach in if you want some.
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So an amarr and a minmatar walk into a caldari bar, i forget the rest of the joke, but you gallente mothers a *****. |
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