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Lazarus Telraven
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.11 18:23:00 -
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Tosh Lines wrote:You've misunderstood Lazarus.
It's the artificial inflation of PLEX prices by CCP that is growing wearysome.
600 PLEXes disappearing from market in one swoop will keep PLEX artificially high and there will be plenty more "offers" at regular intervals keeping them high. It's not about the cost for tournament entry, I don't care if CCP want to charge $175 by the back door for it. Don't like it don't enter. What I don't like is them shifting it also into inflated PLEX prices
This makes it more attractive to those who wish to $=>ISK. Something I've never agreed with in the first place and now it's littered with madcap schemes and offers.
Meanwhile relatively simple things that need fixing are completely ignored.
The Orca thing I mentioned kinda ruins low sec, people camp in Tech3s ontop of an orca. If they don't like their odds they just dock in the orca and have it jump safely into highsec where it cannot be attacked, except by suicide squad. It's totally safe, protects expensive ships and skill loss. I wouldn't be surprised if CCP don't even know what I'm talking about, but I'm damned sure they can correctly tell me the price of Plex in Jita down to the 2 decimal places.
600 Plex being taken from the market is actually a relatively small number, if you look at the market data (i have not looked at it recently) but a month or so ago it was near 2k plex being traded per day. A lot of PLEX are being moved through the market on a daily basis so 600 PLEX might spike the price for a day or two but the price wont sustain at that rate as its not a constant demand.
However on the subject of the orca exploit have you tried sending in a bug report about it or filing an exploit petition, a lot of the times an issue may be cited on the forums but unless there is a bug reported filed on it then it wont get added to the "To Do list." Its like if you are at work and something breaks be it the copy machine or a computer etc.. what do you do? you call file a ticket/work order for it so that there is a log/record that people can go by to take the necessary actions to get things fixed. And one of the potential problems with the storing a ship mid combat is that whilst it effects things in lowsec it happens on an even larger scale in null-sec with carriers/rorquals/titans etc. But my best advice is submit a bug report for it and see what the Devs have to say :)
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Tosh Lines
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2012.05.11 18:32:00 -
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Lazarus Telraven wrote:But my best advice is submit a bug report for it and see what the Devs have to say :)
Last bug report I made it was literally 4 months before it was even looked at, response was that it wasn't a bug but infact a suggestion and I should make a post in the ideas forum instead.
I'll make a BR and report back my findings in september. |
Lazarus Telraven
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.11 18:41:00 -
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Tosh Lines wrote:Lazarus Telraven wrote:But my best advice is submit a bug report for it and see what the Devs have to say :)
Last bug report I made it was literally 4 months before it was even looked at, response was that it wasn't a bug but infact a suggestion and I should make a post in the ideas forum instead. I'll make a BR and report back my findings in september.
Great :) i am intrigued to find out what they have to say about it because in Null Sec you will see carrier blobs supported by Tech3 cruisers for tackle storing and reboarding their ships when they get primaried and since the ship is stored it renders the target taking no damage and the only way to stop it is to smartbomb/kill the POD before they can get into a new ship.
edit: also keep in mind with all of the new features/modules/etc coming out with inferno soon that a lot of CCPs time is going into making sure they have the kinks worked out of those so i wouldn't expect to much immediately but i dont see it being 4 months! |
Tosh Lines
Omniscient Order
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 18:49:00 -
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Lazarus Telraven wrote:Tosh Lines wrote:Lazarus Telraven wrote:But my best advice is submit a bug report for it and see what the Devs have to say :)
Last bug report I made it was literally 4 months before it was even looked at, response was that it wasn't a bug but infact a suggestion and I should make a post in the ideas forum instead. I'll make a BR and report back my findings in september. Great :) i am intrigued to find out what they have to say about it because in Null Sec you will see carrier blobs supported by Tech3 cruisers for tackle storing and reboarding their ships when they get primaried and since the ship is stored it renders the target taking no damage and the only way to stop it is to smartbomb/kill the POD before they can get into a new ship. edit: also keep in mind with all of the new features/modules/etc coming out with inferno soon that a lot of CCPs time is going into making sure they have the kinks worked out of those so i wouldn't expect to much immediately but i dont see it being 4 months!
In low sec you can't even kill the pod as the orca's sitting ontop of the gate so smartbombing isn't an option. Also no bubbles and pods virtually instawarp. Zero way to counter it, but hey, if you want PvP watch the tournament eh? |
Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
32
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Posted - 2012.05.11 18:57:00 -
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Tosh Lines wrote:"hey guys, we want each team that wants to play to pay $175 USD for the privillege, it's ok though, we've got a great way of disguising it. btw get premium stream for just 3 plex, get your limited edition in game "I watched EveTV" T-shirt for 2 plex - check www.plex.com inbetween bouts for more outstanding offers"
Lazarus Telraven wrote:CCP has been completely up front about the reasons they switched to plex and it makes 100% sense for them to do this, 1. The AT needs to be Self-sustaining 2. Players can still use ISK to gain entry 3. Previously the tournament entry fee was to low for the amount of isk currently in the game and moving it to PLEX increased the entry cost as well as helped them take care of #1.
Tosh has his point, I really don't care how much isk the entry costs and if the AT team needs Funds in plex form to be able to host it, sure np fine with me.
But for one, i find it absolutely Pittifull CCP doesn't pay for the expenses associated with the AT especially the employees overtimes.
This just smells like yet an other way of Double Billing us in disguise. Just like RL items for twice the $$$ worth in PLEX, and many more things we will see in the future. The original MT plan failed horribly and we were all waiting to see just how they want to milk us next. Encouraging Plex sales and sinking them out wherever possible is less in your face . "We have Changed to the better" yet the corporate greed stink is still in the air. Up High is steering around in our sandbox, lathing at how stupid we are.
Nothing against the AT team, Soundwave you're awesome. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2012.05.11 19:30:00 -
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Will all four weekends be available through the CCP Youtube page or just the final two main rounds be available for later viewing? |
Komen
Capital Enrichment Services The Night Crew Alliance
69
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Posted - 2012.05.11 23:27:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Last year was amazing.
Since this is our 10th anniversary, I expect it to be 10 times as awesome.
The last alliance tournament was certainly amazing. I was gobsmacked you were sitting there praising the guys who cheated, match-fixed, and stole the final prize. Yes yes, Eve metagame blah blah blah. This is a PvP tourney. I came to watch PvP, not conga-lines. The actual PvPing was not very amazing at all.
I'm certainly glad to see that the rules this year give the ability to toss out such cheating directly. Be directly certain that the joke of an alliance tourney last time around helped to fuel the summer of rage. It was one of the (many) logs on the fire.
There, that's off my chest. Looking forward to this tourney. Let's have some good clean spaceship murderin' fun. |
steave435
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
68
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Posted - 2012.05.11 23:42:00 -
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Damir Delon wrote:steave435 wrote: All in all, it really is very expensive to run, so if they want to pass on at least some of the costs to the participants, just like any other RL sports event, then that's perfectly fine. Stop whining and just don't sign up if you can't afford it.
1. I thought TV rights were sold to countries in RL sports. 2. I thought in RL sports players who compeat and make the sport get paid. 3. I thought the viewers going to the games to watch paid the fee, not the players entering the field
For sports that draw enough attention to attract crowds large enough to support it that way, yes. For that, we're talking MANY times more then the AT draws though. For smaller events where there is not enough interest to make money trough those 3 steps, the participants pay. |
Ramman K'arojic
Deep Black Industries Yulai Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.12 00:03:00 -
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I have been reading the blog & comments about datacores from R&D agents. Datacores from factional WF - fine an excellent 2nd faucet.
That leaves the question what to do about R&D agents. What your proposing is Wrong; reducing them is *wrong*. What you need to get is people to be involved in there NPC corps and to work form them. Greater there involvement in the NPC corp, they should get greater rewards.
The following is what popped into my head during sleep.
- You keep a count of how much LP has been rewarded each month for missioning for each Level agent for that NPC corp;
- Using a sliding scale of LP you determine how much to modify the data core RP price
- In theory if you run L3 agents and L3 R*D agents and you earn 4000 LP a month you pay 0% premium, if you run no agents missions you pay 50% more , at 20000 LP you would pay 40% less (Or something similar). Different R*D agents have different LP levels.
- if you run multiple R&D agents from the same NPC crop its reduced by some stacking penalty
This isn't about making farming continuing its about ensuring that you need to keep your appearances with each NPC for the data-cores to be best priced; and even a little ugly if you dont..
Bottom line is - dont kill 1 way because you dont like it; make that way it work; though you would have learnt that by now CCP.
Ramm
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MR rockafella
Santa's Factory
13
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Posted - 2012.05.12 09:46:00 -
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Here is a suggestion for you guys @ ccp, why dont you guys contact samsung@smarttv and make an app for streaming the eve turney so i can watch on my 55'inc samsung tv in high def....
i might even go as far as being willing to pay a plex for this.
ps FUKIN FIX THE FUKIN r.a.m. rounding bug in production +4 year old bug. |
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Planetmaster
Weekenders
8
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Posted - 2012.05.12 13:29:00 -
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Hi
Some questions for CCP and Producers of AT
1. Why same people as commentators ?
2. Why so many people from CFC / Goons / Tests etc.
3. Dont have "any new" players to be commentators ?
4. Check kills Commentator's kills .. well they are not "so active" in game anymore
Raivi http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50415
Lazarus Telraven http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=46509
Zastrow http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=98540
michael boltonIII http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=596179
Kil2 http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=83996
5. Why only native English commentators ? Eve is English game only ?
6. Sorry for my questions but more ppl are starting to see it in that way
Its not good for company PR when you are making sort of SUPERSTARS of EveTV.. Think about that. And yeah for ordinary player like me is starting to be sort of "Elite Club" where bunch of guys starting to be Devs best friends.... . |
steave435
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
68
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Posted - 2012.05.12 13:53:00 -
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Planetmaster wrote:Hi
Some questions for CCP and Producers of AT
1. Why same people as commentators ?
2. Why so many people from CFC / Goons / Tests etc.
3. Dont have "any new" players to be commentators ?
4. Check kills Commentator's kills .. well they are not "so active" in game anymore ...
5. Why only native English commentators ? Eve is English game only ?
6. Sorry for my questions but more ppl are starting to see it in that way
Its not good for company PR when you are making sort of SUPERSTARS of EveTV.. Think about that. And yeah for ordinary player like me is starting to be sort of "Elite Club" where bunch of guys starting to be Devs best friends.... .
1+3. They did a good job before, and I think Lazarus i new
2. Doesn't matter at all, where one is from doesn't matter at all as a commentator, but the CFC is the largest non-russian coalition, and if you have the most players, there's a higher chance that the best commentators will be in your coalition.
4. That doesn't matter, the tournament is very different from normal EVE.
5. The broadcast will be in english, so the commentators obviously need to be very good at it. I don't know if all of them are this year, but it hasn't been the case before, so if it is this year, it's not due to a "you have to be a native speaker" rule. |
Planetmaster
Weekenders
8
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:28:00 -
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1+3. They did a good job before, and I think Lazarus i new
But its game is about fun. Why no chance for others to go to the iceland be commentator etc ? Its not fair sorta
2. Doesn't matter at all, where one is from doesn't matter at all as a commentator, but the CFC is the largest non-russian coalition, and if you have the most players, there's a higher chance that the best commentators will be in your coalition.
And what is the point ? You need to be the largest to be the smartest ? Sorry but Bollton is not the smartest guy. For many ppl he is annoying. And he will be drunk probably..
4. That doesn't matter, the tournament is very different from normal EVE.
Well its not. CCP line is all about PvP not about .. I dont know.. RPG.. So yeah AT is very about EVE
5. The broadcast will be in english, so the commentators obviously need to be very good at it. I don't know if all of them are this year, but it hasn't been the case before, so if it is this year, it's not due to a "you have to be a native speaker" rule.
Hilmar and all rest of Iceland PPL are not always great in English ! Why no Russian or any other as commentator ? Its stupid. Coz we are all capsullers . Are we ? Or they are worst and better capsullers ?
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
73
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:36:00 -
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Tosh Lines wrote:"hey guys, we want each team that wants to play to pay $175 USD for the privillege, it's ok though, we've got a great way of disguising it. btw get premium stream for just 3 plex, get your limited edition ingame "I watched EveTV" T-shirt for 2 plex - check www.plex.com inbetween bouts for more outstanding offers" Hi CCP, I play your game therefore it's your business duty to extract absolutely every single dime possible from me. Don't worry about broken mechanics, carrier/orca docking for example, you can fix those in 2018, it'd only take 5 minutes anyway so really no point doing it now.
Oh please, take your head out of your arse for two seconds and actually think about this rationally.
Firstly it's not the teams participating who pay but the people who buy the PLEXs the teams use to pay their entry fee, one does not necessarily equal the other, perhaps you forgot that you can buy PLEX off the market? Secondly expecting CCP to eat the full cost of running and streaming the tournament simply because they have done so in the past is not only breathtakingly arrogant but completely stupid to boot. Businesses have to adapt to changing circumstances and given all thats happened over the past 18 months or so them deciding the cost of the alliance tournament was something they couldnt completely cover on their own just seems like a sensible decision to me. As an aside I challenge you to organise and run a tournament on a similar scale with full TV quality commentary and live streaming and see how much it would cost you before you start running your mouth about how evil it is to charge an entry fee you dont even have to pay if you're smart about it.
Thirdly for the people who think this will break the plex market even if every competing alliance buys all their entry PLEX from the market on the same day as someone upthread pointed out its still less than half the number of plexes that get traded in a single day of typical market activity Thats not breaking a market, thats a minor blip at best. |
Tosh Lines
Omniscient Order
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:54:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote: Oh please, take your head out of your arse for two seconds and actually think about this rationally.
Firstly it's not the teams participating who pay but the people who buy the PLEXs the teams use to pay their entry fee, one does not necessarily equal the other, perhaps you forgot that you can buy PLEX off the market? Secondly expecting CCP to eat the full cost of running and streaming the tournament simply because they have done so in the past is not only breathtakingly arrogant but completely stupid to boot. Businesses have to adapt to changing circumstances and given all thats happened over the past 18 months or so them deciding the cost of running the alliance tournament at the scale the players wanted it was something they couldnt completely cover on their own just seems like a sensible decision to me. As an aside I challenge you to organise and run a tournament on a similar scale with full TV quality commentary and live streaming and see how much it would cost you before you start running your mouth about how evil it is to charge an entry fee you dont even have to pay if you're smart about it.
Thirdly for the people who think this will break the plex market even if every competing alliance buys all their entry PLEX from the market on the same day as someone upthread pointed out its still less than half the number of plexes that get traded in a single day of typical market activity Thats not breaking a market, thats a minor blip at best.
It's physically impossible to fit my head up my own arse, however you're clearly having no problem shoving yours up CCPs.
1. I have absolutely no concerns over who pays, I'm not in an alliance, I'm not participating, I do not care who actually pays. What I care about is the PLEX cost in ISK being artificially bumped upwards by CCP at every opportunity possible. That affects me, when I have zero interest in the tournament, just like I had zero interest in fanfest and the devblogs which caused a blip in the PLEX prices because of the offers and feeds.
2. As I said, I don't care about the cost of the tournament. It's a bunch of people doing "PvP" in fixed situations without the usual stupidity that you would normally encounter in real circumstances. To me, to broadcast it is just insulting. I mentioned the SMB in earlier posts, but to use another example - neutral remote reppers. It's taken CCP Four Years at least to get around to doing something about it. It was never a big task or particularly hard to implement, it's just that Devs seem to spend most of their time skyping their buddies in Goonswarm.
3. EveFest caused a rise in Plex prices. Argue all you want you can't change historical fact. They went up, this is what CCP are pushing for with their convuluted method of payment.
Personally, I'd much rather each alliance just pays a flat fee of $5,000. CCP can do all the wonders they want for the tournament and they can ship more of their goonswarm buddies over with the change for a nice drinking session or whatever it is they do while avoiding tackling game breaking (though not affecting Goonswarm so it's ok) bugs.
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Lazarus Telraven
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.12 16:36:00 -
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This is eve you cannot base activity off a single characters killboard, I am an FC for the CFC and when I am FCing i dont get on any killmails because im doing more important things like not getting my fleet killed. I also have 4+ accounts that my kills are split across.
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Planetmaster
Weekenders
8
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Posted - 2012.05.12 17:18:00 -
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Lazarus Telraven wrote:This is eve you cannot base activity off a single characters killboard, I am an FC for the CFC and when I am FCing i dont get on any killmails because im doing more important things like not getting my fleet killed. I also have 4+ accounts that my kills are split across.
Lazarus Im fine with that. I know that you are FC. And as i know is your first time. So everything is OK for me. but I think that CCP should think more about "stars" or maybe less think about stars.. Coz AT starting to be like khardasians .. Dev and "some" players LOVE.
No offence it wasn't about you.
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Zastrow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:02:00 -
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[haha what? The Isk : PLEX exchange rates are affected by a hundred variables entirely within the in-game economy. Prices went up around fanfest but correlation is not causation and the Alliance Tournament is going to be barely a blip on the PLEX market |
Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
8
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Posted - 2012.05.13 06:54:00 -
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The replies in this thread are absolutely amazing. That there are still people complaining about the PLEX entry just shows how incredibly short-sighted & ignorant they are.
Excellent posts by Loxy & Soundwave - best of luck in the tournament. Have a great one, bros. |
killorbekilled TBE
Dare Bears
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:12:00 -
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New modules introduced with Inferno will be valid during the qualifying rounds. The Alliance Tournament team will monitor their use during qualifying rounds and potentially ban or restrict the use of certain modules if we feel they are reducing the overall quality of the tournament.Flagships
this should mix things up a little huh? |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2337
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Posted - 2012.05.13 15:14:00 -
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Thread cleaned of off topic posts. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.14 00:05:00 -
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Can't wait... look more forward to the AT than the free xmass gifts and teams.. you don't get disqualified for frapsing... so give us junkies lots to look forward to Missile enhancers.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1235061& |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:22:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:So why PLEX instead of ISK? Quite simply, PLEX is just much easier to manage and allows us to create some revenue to fund this and future tournaments. As we intend to stream all four weekends, we obviously incur additional costs. Using PLEX allows us to provide a top quality stream and production throughout the entire event.
How many salaries, benefit packages and perks did you carve out of your budget via last year's layoffs? And you can't afford to put on a marketing event like the Alliance tourney w/o gouging your customers (team participants)?
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Knug LiDi
N00bFleeT Numquam Ambulare Solus
51
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Posted - 2012.05.15 20:52:00 -
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Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:[
How many salaries, benefit packages and perks did you carve out of your budget via last year's layoffs? And you can't afford to put on a marketing event like the Alliance tourney w/o gouging your customers (team participants)?
Hilmar must really have his back to the wall if you are nickel and diming your subscribers.
If you think that even in the case of 600 plex being redeemed to pay for this tournament, that CCP is gouging your customers, you have no idea of the cost to CCP to run and broadcast this tournament.
if each plex was $15 at 600 is only 9000 bucks. A budget of 9000 bucks for my time is spent in 60 hours - I cannot imagine the costs of just the crew's time, let alone flying guys to iceland, broadcasts costs, set costs, organizational costs . . .
You have 10 folks around a table, you're seeing more than a thousand bucks per hour flying out the window.
I would be surprised that just organizing cost CCP $9000. I wouldn't be surprised if the costs to CCP are 10 x the 600 PLEX that is (estimated) to be the entry fees for this tournament, and I expect the true costs to be even higher than that.
Hell, I'm spending $75 bucks (5 PLEX) just to attend a golf tournament where I can't actually play due to a leg cast! (But I intend to ride around on the golf cart getting impaired - I can't drive, so I can't be drinking and driving ! - I may putt a few holes if I'm sober enough)
If only we could fall into a woman's arms
without falling into her hands |
boliano
Arch Angels Assault Force Lawful Insanity
1
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Posted - 2012.05.16 22:00:00 -
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Shame on you ccp, charging rl money to be able to do a tournament in a game we already pay for. My alliance was really excited bout trying to be in the tourney till we read the ten plex cost!!!! Isk i understand but rl money which is what a plex is, is just greed...
So many steps forward for ccp lately, and now such a major step back... Thank you ccp for showing that even something thats supposed to be for fun like the alliance tournament, can just be turned into another revenue sink for ccp....
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Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
374
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Posted - 2012.05.17 05:43:00 -
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boliano wrote:Shame on you ccp, charging rl money to be able to do a tournament in a game we already pay for. My alliance was really excited bout trying to be in the tourney till we read the ten plex cost!!!! Isk i understand but rl money which is what a plex is, is just greed...
So many steps forward for ccp lately, and now such a major step back... Thank you ccp for showing that even something thats supposed to be for fun like the alliance tournament, can just be turned into another revenue sink for ccp....
Your not paying real money if you use your isk to buy the plex and add it to your redeem list. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
79
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:46:00 -
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boliano wrote:Shame on you ccp, charging rl money to be able to do a tournament in a game we already pay for. My alliance was really excited bout trying to be in the tourney till we read the ten plex cost!!!! Isk i understand but rl money which is what a plex is, is just greed...
So many steps forward for ccp lately, and now such a major step back... Thank you ccp for showing that even something thats supposed to be for fun like the alliance tournament, can just be turned into another revenue sink for ccp....
Try actually running a tournament of this magnitude before you run your mouth about costs, i wouldnt be surprised if this is costing CCP at least 20 times what they make back in entry money, especially given they refund the entry if you fail to get into the tournament.
If they truely intended to gouge us for money theres a hell of a lot more effective ways they could have used than a simple entry fee, which by the way when converted to ISK is less than last years fee, that doesnt even cost you any real money if you have half a brain about how you buy what makes it up. If the PLEX system had been set up specifically for the tournament you might have a small semblence of a point but its been around for ages, why the hell wouldnt they use it when its a lot simpler for them to say 'go buy ten of this thing we already have a purchase and trading system in place for'. |
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