Second!

I'm excited! Are you excited?

In years past, the top four teams from the previous year's tournament are automatically in, and in some years, they bypass the qualifiers. Is any of that happening this year?

Tell us about the prizes.

Shadoo didnt apply this year, he couldnt get away for all the time it takes to do this.
Im gonna miss him, but I still cant wait to talk about spaceships.

In years past, the top four teams from the previous year's tournament are automatically in, and in some years, they bypass the qualifiers. Is any of that happening this year?

we intend to stream all four weekends

Questions:

1) How many spots will be auctioned in each auction?
2) Does the auction bidder need to have the PLEX they want to bid already reverse redeemed?

Questions:

1) How many spots will be auctioned in each auction?
2) Does the auction bidder need to have the PLEX they want to bid already reverse redeemed?

Yes you can contact us at [email protected] if anyone would like to discuss an alliance entry ahead of time.

We sent an inquiry to this e-mail and haven't received a response for over a week now. Has anyone else received a response?

1) The 10 plex for the random draw. Is that payable only if you are selected in the random draw, or is that to purchase an entry into the random draw itself?

How about this.. Plex is not actually easier for us, the players to work with.

How about we give you isk (very easy to work with and transfer) and then you can go ahead and buy plex to take off the market once you actually have the isk in your hands.

It's a shame that for yet another year we'll have a commentator who has taken such long extended breaks from the game (and can't tell the difference between pulse and beam harbingers). Kil2 must have made some really good friends in Reykjavik.

More fresh faces in general would be nice, honestly.

You make an interesting counter offer. Unfortunately this is how the tournament will run this year. If you wish to be included in the random draw you will be unable to do so unless there are 10 PLEX in the redeeming system.

He's been actively pvping for the last several months. He hosts a podcast where he discusses small gang pvp every two weeks and he has been uploading pvp commentaries to his youtube channel. Out of all the commentators chosen he's probably the most in touch with the scale at which the fights in the AT take place.

I guess you're looking for commentators that don't have a clue because then you'd be able to relate?

Intentional Handicaps

If a team begins the match with less points value worth of ships than their opponent, and wins the match, they score extra ranking points equal to the difference in the two teams' values.

Teams fight in order of rank - 1v2, 3v4 and so on.

It's a shame that for yet another year we'll have a commentator who has taken such long extended breaks from the game (and can't tell the difference between pulse and beam harbingers). Kil2 must have made some really good friends in Reykjavik.

More fresh faces in general would be nice, honestly.

10 plexes is 175 euro and the icelandic kr+¦na is 163 which means as an alliance leader ill have to spend 28.500,- Kr to apply to the Alliance tourney.

you guys are freakin insane and have lost all concept of money.

it is to purchase an entry into the random draw. The CEO of your executor corporation will need to have 10 PLEX in the redeeming system to qualify for the random draw. If you are not successful in the draw, you can use these 10 PLEX for the auction slots. If you are still not successful, the PLEX will be contracted back to the CEO of the executor corporation.

Let's say that you have an alliance of the minimum size to even have a full team: 12. That's LESS THAN 1 PLEX PER PILOT. And its refunded if you don't get in. If anything it'll create somewhat of a barrier to stupid gimmick alliances applying.

Let's say that you have an alliance of the minimum size to even have a full team: 12. That's LESS THAN 1 PLEX PER PILOT. And its refunded if you don't get in. If anything it'll create somewhat of a barrier to stupid gimmick alliances applying.

Well Goons have money to burn Jita with..... the point I'm making is that CCP is asking people to pay for a chance to fight in the tournament. I've no doubt that we will have no issues getting 10 Plex to enable us to take part in the auction, but how much is it likely to cost to buy a slot?

Can anyone remember how much last years slots went for?

For the LOVE OF GOD, how do you CEO's not know that you can buy plex's for isk and reverse-redeem them back to the redeem system, you dont need to "buy" plex's for cash for this

I'm absolutely sure that all those PLEX are given to the winners instead of the usual 50B , it would be bad publicity if that was not the case.

So why PLEX instead of ISK? Quite simply, PLEX is just much easier to manage and allows us to create some revenue to fund this and future tournaments. As we intend to stream all four weekends, we obviously incur additional costs. Using PLEX allows us to provide a top quality stream and production throughout the entire event.

Sorry we've had a few of these and I should have gotten back to you but we're going to investigate these issues after sign ups and then take action.

I wasn't aware you could reverse redeem. What exactly is the point of that?

edit: aside from this, (for the first time), instance.

So you want alliances to fork up a decent sum of "RL money" before letting them know if all is ok with them trying to sign up in the 1st place? Sounds like that could be illegal in some parts of the world, at least for a RL event.

Grats, you made the entry cost a barrier of entry.
I hope that's what you wanted.

Let's say that you have an alliance of the minimum size to even have a full team: 12. That's LESS THAN 1 PLEX PER PILOT. And its refunded if you don't get in. If anything it'll create somewhat of a barrier to stupid gimmick alliances applying.

For the LOVE OF GOD, how do you CEO's not know that you can buy plex's for isk and reverse-redeem them back to the redeem system, you dont need to "buy" plex's for cash for this

10 plexes is 175 euro and the icelandic kr+¦na is 163 which means as an alliance leader ill have to spend 28.500,- Kr to apply to the Alliance tourney.

you guys are freakin insane and have lost all concept of money.

Ok to be clear, you can reverse redeem plex using this simple guide here, that means you don't have to spend any real life money if you don't want to and continue to fund your tournament team purely with isk.

For reference the current cost into the random draw at 10 PLEX is (rough number) 5 billion, this is up from 2 billion in previous years and should be no issue for any team taking the tournament seriously.

There is absolutely no logical reason for having the entry fee in PLEX other than to increase demand and therefore the price. It would simply be much easier to have it paid in ISK as normal.

While microtransactions with Aurum may have died a death, the marketing thinking behind it lives on as strong as ever.

Or maybe CCP has decided that they need to recoup some of the costs of running an event like this, you know like they said in the damn dev blog, and asking for the entry in PLEX is the simplest way to do that. Take your tinfoil off and actually think about it from a business perspective for once.

It's unnecessary and along with fanfest tickets for plex, graphics cards for plex etc... is part of a growing trend. How many player rebellions do CCP need to understand this?

Well Goons have money to burn Jita with..... the point I'm making is that CCP is asking people to pay for a chance to fight in the tournament. I've no doubt that we will have no issues getting 10 Plex to enable us to take part in the auction, but how much is it likely to cost to buy a slot?

Can anyone remember how much last years slots went for?

Because there were huge riots over being able play for fanfest tickets with plex, and that graphics cards for plex thing was really unpopular also - amirite?



I don't know what the official figures were, but the internet says:

White Noise. - 20bil
GoonSwarm - 19bil
The R0NIN - 15.7bil
Outbreak - 15.1bil

That makes no sense, I am looking at it from a business perspective.

You can still pay entirely with ISK,

but you have to convert it to PLEX and take 10 PLEX of the market per alliance. Thus increasing the demand - when 60+ alliances enter thats 600+ plex bought up in Jita, it has an effect on supply which appears to be the entire point of the exercise.

Prices go up, people see the generous ISK return for PLEX and are more interested in buying ISK CCPs legal way.

It's unnecessary and along with fanfest tickets for plex, graphics cards for plex etc... is part of a growing trend. How many player rebellions do CCP need to understand this?

All in all, it really is very expensive to run, so if they want to pass on at least some of the costs to the participants, just like any other RL sports event, then that's perfectly fine. Stop whining and just don't sign up if you can't afford it.

Hey guys!

Let me quickly delve into the PLEX issue:

The alliance tournament started out as something the community ran, with backing from CCP. Over the years, it became a very expensive project that was eventually shut down for financial reasons. Seeing that a lot of the early crew had started working for CCP somewhere along the road, a group of us picked it up again.

The first "new" tournament was really bare-bones, limited coverage just to prove we could do it at a smaller budget. Since then, we've wanted to scale up; multiple weekends, broadcasting the entire time, flying experts out to cover etc. The truth is that unless we find ways of funding the tournament ourselves, it just won't happen and certainly not at the same standard we've been going towards. The idea of using PLEX came up because it allows us to generate money going directly into the show/tournaments production, letting us do what we want while also letting players chose to pay their entry fee with ISK, by buying PLEX off the market.

That's the short version of it

"hey guys, we want each team that wants to play to pay $175 USD for the privillege, it's ok though, we've got a great way of disguising it. btw get premium stream for just 3 plex, get your limited edition ingame "I watched EveTV" T-shirt for 2 plex - check www.plex.com inbetween bouts for more outstanding offers"

Hi CCP, I play your game therefore it's your business duty to extract absolutely every single dime possible from me. Don't worry about broken mechanics, carrier/orca docking for example, you can fix those in 2018, it'd only take 5 minutes anyway so really no point doing it now.

Have you missed that the AT is on the weekends and isnt interrupting game development time at all ?

You've misunderstood Lazarus.

It's the artificial inflation of PLEX prices by CCP that is growing wearysome.

600 PLEXes disappearing from market in one swoop will keep PLEX artificially high and there will be plenty more "offers" at regular intervals keeping them high. It's not about the cost for tournament entry, I don't care if CCP want to charge $175 by the back door for it. Don't like it don't enter. What I don't like is them shifting it also into inflated PLEX prices

This makes it more attractive to those who wish to $=>ISK. Something I've never agreed with in the first place and now it's littered with madcap schemes and offers.

Meanwhile relatively simple things that need fixing are completely ignored.

The Orca thing I mentioned kinda ruins low sec, people camp in Tech3s ontop of an orca. If they don't like their odds they just dock in the orca and have it jump safely into highsec where it cannot be attacked, except by suicide squad. It's totally safe, protects expensive ships and skill loss. I wouldn't be surprised if CCP don't even know what I'm talking about, but I'm damned sure they can correctly tell me the price of Plex in Jita down to the 2 decimal places.

But my best advice is submit a bug report for it and see what the Devs have to say :)

Last bug report I made it was literally 4 months before it was even looked at, response was that it wasn't a bug but infact a suggestion and I should make a post in the ideas forum instead.

I'll make a BR and report back my findings in september.

Great :) i am intrigued to find out what they have to say about it because in Null Sec you will see carrier blobs supported by Tech3 cruisers for tackle storing and reboarding their ships when they get primaried and since the ship is stored it renders the target taking no damage and the only way to stop it is to smartbomb/kill the POD before they can get into a new ship.

edit: also keep in mind with all of the new features/modules/etc coming out with inferno soon that a lot of CCPs time is going into making sure they have the kinks worked out of those so i wouldn't expect to much immediately but i dont see it being 4 months!

"hey guys, we want each team that wants to play to pay $175 USD for the privillege, it's ok though, we've got a great way of disguising it. btw get premium stream for just 3 plex, get your limited edition in game "I watched EveTV" T-shirt for 2 plex - check www.plex.com inbetween bouts for more outstanding offers"

CCP has been completely up front about the reasons they switched to plex and it makes 100% sense for them to do this, 1. The AT needs to be Self-sustaining 2. Players can still use ISK to gain entry 3. Previously the tournament entry fee was to low for the amount of isk currently in the game and moving it to PLEX increased the entry cost as well as helped them take care of #1.

Last year was amazing.

Since this is our 10th anniversary, I expect it to be 10 times as awesome.

1. I thought TV rights were sold to countries in RL sports.
2. I thought in RL sports players who compeat and make the sport get paid.
3. I thought the viewers going to the games to watch paid the fee, not the players entering the field

Hi

Some questions for CCP and Producers of AT

1. Why same people as commentators ?

2. Why so many people from CFC / Goons / Tests etc.

3. Dont have "any new" players to be commentators ?

4. Check kills Commentator's kills .. well they are not "so active" in game anymore
...

5. Why only native English commentators ? Eve is English game only ?

6. Sorry for my questions but more ppl are starting to see it in that way

Its not good for company PR when you are making sort of SUPERSTARS of EveTV.. Think about that. And yeah for ordinary player like me is starting to be sort of "Elite Club" where bunch of guys starting to be Devs best friends.... .

"hey guys, we want each team that wants to play to pay $175 USD for the privillege, it's ok though, we've got a great way of disguising it. btw get premium stream for just 3 plex, get your limited edition ingame "I watched EveTV" T-shirt for 2 plex - check www.plex.com inbetween bouts for more outstanding offers" Hi CCP, I play your game therefore it's your business duty to extract absolutely every single dime possible from me. Don't worry about broken mechanics, carrier/orca docking for example, you can fix those in 2018, it'd only take 5 minutes anyway so really no point doing it now.

Oh please, take your head out of your arse for two seconds and actually think about this rationally.

Firstly it's not the teams participating who pay but the people who buy the PLEXs the teams use to pay their entry fee, one does not necessarily equal the other, perhaps you forgot that you can buy PLEX off the market?
Secondly expecting CCP to eat the full cost of running and streaming the tournament simply because they have done so in the past is not only breathtakingly arrogant but completely stupid to boot. Businesses have to adapt to changing circumstances and given all thats happened over the past 18 months or so them deciding the cost of running the alliance tournament at the scale the players wanted it was something they couldnt completely cover on their own just seems like a sensible decision to me. As an aside I challenge you to organise and run a tournament on a similar scale with full TV quality commentary and live streaming and see how much it would cost you before you start running your mouth about how evil it is to charge an entry fee you dont even have to pay if you're smart about it.

Thirdly for the people who think this will break the plex market even if every competing alliance buys all their entry PLEX from the market on the same day as someone upthread pointed out its still less than half the number of plexes that get traded in a single day of typical market activity Thats not breaking a market, thats a minor blip at best.

Hi

Some questions for CCP and Producers of AT

1. Why same people as commentators ?

2. Why so many people from CFC / Goons / Tests etc.

3. Dont have "any new" players to be commentators ?

4. Check kills Commentator's kills .. well they are not "so active" in game anymore

Raivi
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50415

Lazarus Telraven
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=46509

Zastrow
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=98540

michael boltonIII
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=596179

Kil2
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=83996

5. Why only native English commentators ? Eve is English game only ?

6. Sorry for my questions but more ppl are starting to see it in that way

Its not good for company PR when you are making sort of SUPERSTARS of EveTV.. Think about that. And yeah for ordinary player like me is starting to be sort of "Elite Club" where bunch of guys starting to be Devs best friends.... .

This is eve you cannot base activity off a single characters killboard, I am an FC for the CFC and when I am FCing i dont get on any killmails because im doing more important things like not getting my fleet killed. I also have 4+ accounts that my kills are split across.

So why PLEX instead of ISK? Quite simply, PLEX is just much easier to manage and allows us to create some revenue to fund this and future tournaments. As we intend to stream all four weekends, we obviously incur additional costs. Using PLEX allows us to provide a top quality stream and production throughout the entire event.

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How many salaries, benefit packages and perks did you carve out of your budget via last year's layoffs? And you can't afford to put on a marketing event like the Alliance tourney w/o gouging your customers (team participants)?

Hilmar must really have his back to the wall if you are nickel and diming your subscribers.

Shame on you ccp, charging rl money to be able to do a tournament in a game we already pay for.
My alliance was really excited bout trying to be in the tourney till we read the ten plex cost!!!!
Isk i understand but rl money which is what a plex is, is just greed...

So many steps forward for ccp lately, and now such a major step back...
Thank you ccp for showing that even something thats supposed to be for fun like the alliance tournament, can just be turned into another revenue sink for ccp....

Shame on you ccp, charging rl money to be able to do a tournament in a game we already pay for.
My alliance was really excited bout trying to be in the tourney till we read the ten plex cost!!!!
Isk i understand but rl money which is what a plex is, is just greed...

So many steps forward for ccp lately, and now such a major step back...
Thank you ccp for showing that even something thats supposed to be for fun like the alliance tournament, can just be turned into another revenue sink for ccp....