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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.09.08 04:17:00 -
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I don't like these top ten lists, there are probably 50 corps that you could squeeze in between a one and ten ranking. Some are too close to call and some people who deserve to be on the list, as good as any other corp on the list, don't make it because you have only 10 slots available.
I can name a few favorites though (in no order):
m0o, Evolution, ATUK, MASS, The Collective, OC, Shinra, Zoners, Zombies, RUS, VOTF and probably at least ten more I'm forgetting.
These are the corps you fear, respect, and get your heart pounding in battles. They are also the ones you boast about killing. 
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.09.08 04:17:00 -
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I don't like these top ten lists, there are probably 50 corps that you could squeeze in between a one and ten ranking. Some are too close to call and some people who deserve to be on the list, as good as any other corp on the list, don't make it because you have only 10 slots available.
I can name a few favorites though (in no order):
m0o, Evolution, ATUK, MASS, The Collective, OC, Shinra, Zoners, Zombies, RUS, VOTF and probably at least ten more I'm forgetting.
These are the corps you fear, respect, and get your heart pounding in battles. They are also the ones you boast about killing.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
Alustrious
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Posted - 2004.09.08 04:37:00 -
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not a single mention of CRICE CORP =/ what a pity.... haha
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Alustrious
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Posted - 2004.09.08 04:37:00 -
[214]
not a single mention of CRICE CORP =/ what a pity.... haha
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2004.09.08 04:40:00 -
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1.) mOo
2.)Evolution
3.)VOTF
4.)Zombies (it takes balls to raid Yulai)
5.)Jokers
6.)Forsaken Empire
7.)Biomass
8.) Black Nova Corp
9.) Space Invaders
10.)Paladins of the Red Skull
Most of these guys I have either fought, worked with or simply seen their vids and talked to. Never done anything involving SA so I can't list MASS, haven't seen XAN fight so I can't list them.
Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass. |
Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2004.09.08 04:40:00 -
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1.) mOo
2.)Evolution
3.)VOTF
4.)Zombies (it takes balls to raid Yulai)
5.)Jokers
6.)Forsaken Empire
7.)Biomass
8.) Black Nova Corp
9.) Space Invaders
10.)Paladins of the Red Skull
Most of these guys I have either fought, worked with or simply seen their vids and talked to. Never done anything involving SA so I can't list MASS, haven't seen XAN fight so I can't list them.
Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass. |
Rath Amon
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Posted - 2004.09.08 04:58:00 -
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1. Forsaken Empire
2. Zombies
3. Jokers
4. Black Nova Corp
5. Biomass
and the best collective force imo is the hlw mob
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Rath Amon
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Posted - 2004.09.08 04:58:00 -
[218]
1. Forsaken Empire
2. Zombies
3. Jokers
4. Black Nova Corp
5. Biomass
and the best collective force imo is the hlw mob
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2004.09.08 06:15:00 -
[219]
 Originally by: Stavros
Right basically any corp that is a member of an alliance is like shooting themselves in the face when it comes to any top 10 like this.
If you need an alliance to back you up, to give u safe place to retreat to or for whatever. You are weak and have no place anywhere near a top 10.
Only corps that stand on their own can EVER claim to be any kind of good at pvp or eve in general, I'm not giving names and im not doing some top 10 thing because basically these posts are silly and just degenerate into flames after 2 pages.
If your in an alliance your corp is unable to stand on its own and is therefore weak.
If any corp has umbridge with what I say and infact thinks they are strong despite the fact they are in an alliance, then leave and prove me wrong, otherwise end.
Stav
Stav, so you're saying that m0o is weak too? Cus m0o needed to work with evol/RKK/ATUK/NCA to go after CA/PA. The fact that you guys don't call it an alliance doesn't mean it isn't one... 
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2004.09.08 06:15:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Stavros
Right basically any corp that is a member of an alliance is like shooting themselves in the face when it comes to any top 10 like this.
If you need an alliance to back you up, to give u safe place to retreat to or for whatever. You are weak and have no place anywhere near a top 10.
Only corps that stand on their own can EVER claim to be any kind of good at pvp or eve in general, I'm not giving names and im not doing some top 10 thing because basically these posts are silly and just degenerate into flames after 2 pages.
If your in an alliance your corp is unable to stand on its own and is therefore weak.
If any corp has umbridge with what I say and infact thinks they are strong despite the fact they are in an alliance, then leave and prove me wrong, otherwise end.
Stav
Stav, so you're saying that m0o is weak too? Cus m0o needed to work with evol/RKK/ATUK/NCA to go after CA/PA. The fact that you guys don't call it an alliance doesn't mean it isn't one...
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.08 06:52:00 -
[221]
Stella all the way
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.09.08 06:52:00 -
[222]
Stella all the way
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HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 08:45:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Stavros
Right basically any corp that is a member of an alliance is like shooting themselves in the face when it comes to any top 10 like this.
If you need an alliance to back you up, to give u safe place to retreat to or for whatever. You are weak and have no place anywhere near a top 10.
Only corps that stand on their own can EVER claim to be any kind of good at pvp or eve in general, I'm not giving names and im not doing some top 10 thing because basically these posts are silly and just degenerate into flames after 2 pages.
If your in an alliance your corp is unable to stand on its own and is therefore weak.
If any corp has umbridge with what I say and infact thinks they are strong despite the fact they are in an alliance, then leave and prove me wrong, otherwise end.
Stav
Stav, that was the biggest pat on your own back i think i've ever seen.
Former Member of Omega Corp |
HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 08:45:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Stavros
Right basically any corp that is a member of an alliance is like shooting themselves in the face when it comes to any top 10 like this.
If you need an alliance to back you up, to give u safe place to retreat to or for whatever. You are weak and have no place anywhere near a top 10.
Only corps that stand on their own can EVER claim to be any kind of good at pvp or eve in general, I'm not giving names and im not doing some top 10 thing because basically these posts are silly and just degenerate into flames after 2 pages.
If your in an alliance your corp is unable to stand on its own and is therefore weak.
If any corp has umbridge with what I say and infact thinks they are strong despite the fact they are in an alliance, then leave and prove me wrong, otherwise end.
Stav
Stav, that was the biggest pat on your own back i think i've ever seen.
Former Member of Omega Corp |
Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.09.08 09:21:00 -
[225]
Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar
Originally by: Stavros
Right basically any corp that is a member of an alliance is like shooting themselves in the face when it comes to any top 10 like this.
If you need an alliance to back you up, to give u safe place to retreat to or for whatever. You are weak and have no place anywhere near a top 10.
Only corps that stand on their own can EVER claim to be any kind of good at pvp or eve in general, I'm not giving names and im not doing some top 10 thing because basically these posts are silly and just degenerate into flames after 2 pages.
If your in an alliance your corp is unable to stand on its own and is therefore weak.
If any corp has umbridge with what I say and infact thinks they are strong despite the fact they are in an alliance, then leave and prove me wrong, otherwise end.
Stav
Stav, that was the biggest pat on your own back i think i've ever seen.
"pat on your own back"? Please elaborate.
What he means is that independent corps have nowhere to run if they start losing a war: their enemy can follow them to the ends of the earth until they fall apart.
An alliance PvP corp can always fall back into their alliance's heart land and be protected by the rest of the alliance while they recuperate.
And to that CA member who posted a Top Ten of all-CA corps: if you've never gone out and actually fought anyone, please don't post based on what you hear on your alliance chat.
I'm not posting a Top ten but I will give a special mention to:
Zombie Corp.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.09.08 09:21:00 -
[226]
Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar
Originally by: Stavros
Right basically any corp that is a member of an alliance is like shooting themselves in the face when it comes to any top 10 like this.
If you need an alliance to back you up, to give u safe place to retreat to or for whatever. You are weak and have no place anywhere near a top 10.
Only corps that stand on their own can EVER claim to be any kind of good at pvp or eve in general, I'm not giving names and im not doing some top 10 thing because basically these posts are silly and just degenerate into flames after 2 pages.
If your in an alliance your corp is unable to stand on its own and is therefore weak.
If any corp has umbridge with what I say and infact thinks they are strong despite the fact they are in an alliance, then leave and prove me wrong, otherwise end.
Stav
Stav, that was the biggest pat on your own back i think i've ever seen.
"pat on your own back"? Please elaborate.
What he means is that independent corps have nowhere to run if they start losing a war: their enemy can follow them to the ends of the earth until they fall apart.
An alliance PvP corp can always fall back into their alliance's heart land and be protected by the rest of the alliance while they recuperate.
And to that CA member who posted a Top Ten of all-CA corps: if you've never gone out and actually fought anyone, please don't post based on what you hear on your alliance chat.
I'm not posting a Top ten but I will give a special mention to:
Zombie Corp.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.09.08 10:05:00 -
[227]
Edited by: Temujin Destovai on 08/09/2004 10:08:00
Quote:
"pat on your own back"? Please elaborate.
What he means is that independent corps have nowhere to run if they start losing a war: their enemy can follow them to the ends of the earth until they fall apart.
An alliance PvP corp can always fall back into their alliance's heart land and be protected by the rest of the alliance while they recuperate.
Thats actually very much so a two-sided coin.
Non-alliance corps don't have alliances or places to run back to, but neither do they have alliances or homes that a vulnerable to attack, and which they 'have to' defend. If the situation gets to hot for them to handle, they can simply move elsewhere, and elsewhere again. An alliance corporation on the other side actually has weakpoints and places where the enemy can attack it. If they run from the responsibility of defending their space, they are still open to attacks on their alliance mates and their honour. To this extent they are actually forced to be "stronger" than their roaming counterparts. In addition to this there are barely any "true" allianceless corporations ingame, only ones that have no claimed space they call home.
Yet in the end being in an alliance or not has nothing to do with strength or weakness. Its more of a question of occupation. Some corps or communities have players that prefer playing in the commerce/production aspect of the game, and some are only interested in openly fighting. Maintaining an ongoing large scale openly operating production outfit without a base of operations is very hard, and "protected alliance space" goes a long way to sustain it. (Not saying that you can't do it without it though) Yet the simple fact that a Corporation employs such a wing doesnt mean its fighting Arm cannot hold its own against its opponents.
The Chronicles of Xanadu |
Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.09.08 10:05:00 -
[228]
Edited by: Temujin Destovai on 08/09/2004 10:08:00
Quote:
"pat on your own back"? Please elaborate.
What he means is that independent corps have nowhere to run if they start losing a war: their enemy can follow them to the ends of the earth until they fall apart.
An alliance PvP corp can always fall back into their alliance's heart land and be protected by the rest of the alliance while they recuperate.
Thats actually very much so a two-sided coin.
Non-alliance corps don't have alliances or places to run back to, but neither do they have alliances or homes that a vulnerable to attack, and which they 'have to' defend. If the situation gets to hot for them to handle, they can simply move elsewhere, and elsewhere again. An alliance corporation on the other side actually has weakpoints and places where the enemy can attack it. If they run from the responsibility of defending their space, they are still open to attacks on their alliance mates and their honour. To this extent they are actually forced to be "stronger" than their roaming counterparts. In addition to this there are barely any "true" allianceless corporations ingame, only ones that have no claimed space they call home.
Yet in the end being in an alliance or not has nothing to do with strength or weakness. Its more of a question of occupation. Some corps or communities have players that prefer playing in the commerce/production aspect of the game, and some are only interested in openly fighting. Maintaining an ongoing large scale openly operating production outfit without a base of operations is very hard, and "protected alliance space" goes a long way to sustain it. (Not saying that you can't do it without it though) Yet the simple fact that a Corporation employs such a wing doesnt mean its fighting Arm cannot hold its own against its opponents.
The Chronicles of Xanadu |
HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 13:30:00 -
[229]
I'm sorry to say this but from my own experience in eve what m0oevolution is doing is not that unqiue and the credit they give themselves for doing it is a tad OTT.
Before you go on about trying to do what they do myself, i have done. Many times. It's not THAT hard thanks to eve's mechanics.
Former Member of Omega Corp |
HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 13:30:00 -
[230]
I'm sorry to say this but from my own experience in eve what m0oevolution is doing is not that unqiue and the credit they give themselves for doing it is a tad OTT.
Before you go on about trying to do what they do myself, i have done. Many times. It's not THAT hard thanks to eve's mechanics.
Former Member of Omega Corp |
Stavros
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Posted - 2004.09.08 14:21:00 -
[231]
Valid point about defending your own space solarim except for without fail EVERY alliance we have fought has tried to use the boredom tactic to get us to leave.
We have pa/ca/fa members all admitting to either not caring about the defense of their homelands or sayign that they wont fight us till we get bored and leave.
Also out of your nice list of supposed m0o allies there are about only 1 or 2 corps we call friends the rest are just people we worked with at one time or another, does not even come to close to being anything like an alliance.
Alliances are where the weak cluster to protect them from the strong, you see it in nature with heads of animals and you see it in eve. Its a natural instinct for those unable to stand on their own to cluster together to seek strength.
Stavros
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
Stavros
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Posted - 2004.09.08 14:21:00 -
[232]
Valid point about defending your own space solarim except for without fail EVERY alliance we have fought has tried to use the boredom tactic to get us to leave.
We have pa/ca/fa members all admitting to either not caring about the defense of their homelands or sayign that they wont fight us till we get bored and leave.
Also out of your nice list of supposed m0o allies there are about only 1 or 2 corps we call friends the rest are just people we worked with at one time or another, does not even come to close to being anything like an alliance.
Alliances are where the weak cluster to protect them from the strong, you see it in nature with heads of animals and you see it in eve. Its a natural instinct for those unable to stand on their own to cluster together to seek strength.
Stavros
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
TIO 101
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Posted - 2004.09.08 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: TIO 101 on 08/09/2004 14:23:42
Any of the top 10 corps seriously recruiting currently?
if so, im interested in a larger corp, currently in a 2man corp and find it relativly easy to take on frigs / 1-2 cruisers solo or with 2 peeps, but rather difficult to take on battleships with support ships. however im wanting to join a larger corporation to help take on larger targets.
Edit:spelling
h4xb4n
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TIO 101
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Posted - 2004.09.08 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: TIO 101 on 08/09/2004 14:23:42
Any of the top 10 corps seriously recruiting currently?
if so, im interested in a larger corp, currently in a 2man corp and find it relativly easy to take on frigs / 1-2 cruisers solo or with 2 peeps, but rather difficult to take on battleships with support ships. however im wanting to join a larger corporation to help take on larger targets.
Edit:spelling
h4xb4n
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2004.09.08 14:42:00 -
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Sorry Stav I have to disagree. I beleive being in an alliance under siege from enemy attacks shows the true strength of the corporation. When faced by overwhelming numbers you have 2 options,
1. Log off
2. Outwit your enemy.
As a member of an alliance your enemies allways know where you will be. The bonus that nomadic pirate corp have is they are allways on the attack, a huge advantage, and are not tied down to a position. To a certain extent I agree with your point about the weak huddling together to fend off the strong. However I think it is better expressed as the weak hiding behind the strong, who are fending off the attacks.
New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!! |
Chowdown
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Posted - 2004.09.08 14:42:00 -
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Sorry Stav I have to disagree. I beleive being in an alliance under siege from enemy attacks shows the true strength of the corporation. When faced by overwhelming numbers you have 2 options,
1. Log off
2. Outwit your enemy.
As a member of an alliance your enemies allways know where you will be. The bonus that nomadic pirate corp have is they are allways on the attack, a huge advantage, and are not tied down to a position. To a certain extent I agree with your point about the weak huddling together to fend off the strong. However I think it is better expressed as the weak hiding behind the strong, who are fending off the attacks.
New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!! |
Wishdokkta
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Posted - 2004.09.08 14:54:00 -
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1. FREEKS Unleashed
.....there are other PvP corps?
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Wishdokkta
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Posted - 2004.09.08 14:54:00 -
[238]
1. FREEKS Unleashed
.....there are other PvP corps?
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Kaiser
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Posted - 2004.09.08 15:21:00 -
[239]
Stav is right. When i was in FA and m0o attacked FA, only tactic FA used (after losing tons of BS to m0o) was to bore them. and it worked since m0o got bored and left.
Most of the alliance's corps (but not all, there are also some good exceptions) are weak to fight head to head with any pvp corp and would be unable to protect their assets. so they team up.
However, it's also true not all corps in alliances are weak. By my personal experience (fighting FA) Xanadu is strong IMO. Finfleet too.
Some leading corporations in alliances can stand on their own. they just decided to join alliances in order to control weaker corps and, at the end, get more pawns to play with 
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Kaiser
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Posted - 2004.09.08 15:21:00 -
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Stav is right. When i was in FA and m0o attacked FA, only tactic FA used (after losing tons of BS to m0o) was to bore them. and it worked since m0o got bored and left.
Most of the alliance's corps (but not all, there are also some good exceptions) are weak to fight head to head with any pvp corp and would be unable to protect their assets. so they team up.
However, it's also true not all corps in alliances are weak. By my personal experience (fighting FA) Xanadu is strong IMO. Finfleet too.
Some leading corporations in alliances can stand on their own. they just decided to join alliances in order to control weaker corps and, at the end, get more pawns to play with
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