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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.09.08 15:36:00 -
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Stav i have to disagree with what you wrote:
Take my corp for example we are members of the PA as everyone knows
We never hide behind the alliance and never have our fighting style is very simular to yours in that we go off and attack an alliance
so far we have had fights against
Catch 22
COD
FU
All off these alliances we have engaged on our own with maybe one or two pilots from other corps. Does this mean that we are week?
I am sure you will say well you guys never came to fight us in BKG blah blah blah therefore you are weak. Lets face it the PA could bring in 140 ship in to BKG and camp you guys all day but that is not fun now is it, this is a war it is about death and destruction not about sitting in a blob smack talking in local. Does the fact that we would rather kill stuff then sit in a blob make us weak i dont think so!
Lets face it attacking is much easier than defending in this game you say people who are in alliances are weak i say they are stronger than corps like m0o and evol because they are prepared to make a claim to land and to try and protect it unlike you guys who can just fly in and safespot gank parttime miner/parttime pvper then safe spot when you get out numbered. At least the alliance members have the balls to make a home and try and protect it
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.09.08 15:36:00 -
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Stav i have to disagree with what you wrote:
Take my corp for example we are members of the PA as everyone knows
We never hide behind the alliance and never have our fighting style is very simular to yours in that we go off and attack an alliance
so far we have had fights against
Catch 22
COD
FU
All off these alliances we have engaged on our own with maybe one or two pilots from other corps. Does this mean that we are week?
I am sure you will say well you guys never came to fight us in BKG blah blah blah therefore you are weak. Lets face it the PA could bring in 140 ship in to BKG and camp you guys all day but that is not fun now is it, this is a war it is about death and destruction not about sitting in a blob smack talking in local. Does the fact that we would rather kill stuff then sit in a blob make us weak i dont think so!
Lets face it attacking is much easier than defending in this game you say people who are in alliances are weak i say they are stronger than corps like m0o and evol because they are prepared to make a claim to land and to try and protect it unlike you guys who can just fly in and safespot gank parttime miner/parttime pvper then safe spot when you get out numbered. At least the alliance members have the balls to make a home and try and protect it
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.09.08 15:54:00 -
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Right.. so now you people argue that what m0o does is easier and it is infact HARDER to be in an alliance because you have to defend terrortory etc etc..
Well erm news flash, if being in an alliance is SOOO hard and being a roving corp is soo easy and you apparently gain so little from your alliances... Why are you in them in the first place?
If your corps are so good, why risk getting labeled with the same brush as the poorer corps in your alliance when you getting nothing in return? Why claim land when all it does (by your own admission) is make you a target?
The way the people arguing against me in this thread have laid it out these supposed 'strong' corps within alliances are there as a result of two possible reasons:
1) They aren't infact strong and need the support of their alliances in order to survive in the harsh world of 0.0 space.
2) They have been joined alliances for no good reason and as a result recieve no benefit (as being a roaming corp like m0o is obviously easier) and instead have just painted a big bullseye on their behinds because they are now targets due to their alliance land claiming.
Reason one is what I suspect, but if all you hardcore alliance corps think being m0o is so easy they your still weak, for wasting your time associating your corp with poorer members of your alliance when u recieve nothing in return but a battered reputation and increased attacks upon yourselves...
Or...
Maybe I missed something here and maybe the people arguing against me would like to change their stories and come up with some other reason why being in an alliance (I think I will call them herds from now on as that name suits them more aptly) doesnt diminish from individual corps strength.
In summation - strong corps associating with weak corps do nothing save weaken themselves.
You sirs, are ended.
Stavros
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.09.08 15:54:00 -
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Right.. so now you people argue that what m0o does is easier and it is infact HARDER to be in an alliance because you have to defend terrortory etc etc..
Well erm news flash, if being in an alliance is SOOO hard and being a roving corp is soo easy and you apparently gain so little from your alliances... Why are you in them in the first place?
If your corps are so good, why risk getting labeled with the same brush as the poorer corps in your alliance when you getting nothing in return? Why claim land when all it does (by your own admission) is make you a target?
The way the people arguing against me in this thread have laid it out these supposed 'strong' corps within alliances are there as a result of two possible reasons:
1) They aren't infact strong and need the support of their alliances in order to survive in the harsh world of 0.0 space.
2) They have been joined alliances for no good reason and as a result recieve no benefit (as being a roaming corp like m0o is obviously easier) and instead have just painted a big bullseye on their behinds because they are now targets due to their alliance land claiming.
Reason one is what I suspect, but if all you hardcore alliance corps think being m0o is so easy they your still weak, for wasting your time associating your corp with poorer members of your alliance when u recieve nothing in return but a battered reputation and increased attacks upon yourselves...
Or...
Maybe I missed something here and maybe the people arguing against me would like to change their stories and come up with some other reason why being in an alliance (I think I will call them herds from now on as that name suits them more aptly) doesnt diminish from individual corps strength.
In summation - strong corps associating with weak corps do nothing save weaken themselves.
You sirs, are ended.
Stavros
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:03:00 -
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Stavros is right on, ownage.
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:03:00 -
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Stavros is right on, ownage.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:07:00 -
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I agree with Stav. Me and DC were talking last night before my ISP fked up about alliances. And i think we agree that alliances are needed. However, there is nothing, not a single reason, why alliance shouldnt accept a corp. Resources claimed by alliances are virtually endless, therefore there is no inter-alliance competition. If resources were scarce, like in any real economy today, alliances would have to choose between the blob factor (security) and the resource factor. The resource factor would pull corporations to try and control the most resources by themselves, ideally all resources being controlled by one megacorp. On the other hand, the safety issue would pull corporations to band up. That way most alliances would get rid of all the fat they have now, and maybe consist of 2-3 megacorporations, who would in turn be able to command the resource destribution between their members more efficiently. Only problem i see is that most corporations would move back to 1.0 and mine veld all day.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:07:00 -
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I agree with Stav. Me and DC were talking last night before my ISP fked up about alliances. And i think we agree that alliances are needed. However, there is nothing, not a single reason, why alliance shouldnt accept a corp. Resources claimed by alliances are virtually endless, therefore there is no inter-alliance competition. If resources were scarce, like in any real economy today, alliances would have to choose between the blob factor (security) and the resource factor. The resource factor would pull corporations to try and control the most resources by themselves, ideally all resources being controlled by one megacorp. On the other hand, the safety issue would pull corporations to band up. That way most alliances would get rid of all the fat they have now, and maybe consist of 2-3 megacorporations, who would in turn be able to command the resource destribution between their members more efficiently. Only problem i see is that most corporations would move back to 1.0 and mine veld all day.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:14:00 -
[249]
 Originally by: Artegg
Stav i have to disagree with what you wrote:
Take my corp for example we are members of the PA as everyone knows
We never hide behind the alliance and never have our fighting style is very simular to yours in that we go off and attack an alliance
so far we have had fights against
Catch 22
COD
FU
You also mean that you don't DEFEND your alliance 
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Artegg
Stav i have to disagree with what you wrote:
Take my corp for example we are members of the PA as everyone knows
We never hide behind the alliance and never have our fighting style is very simular to yours in that we go off and attack an alliance
so far we have had fights against
Catch 22
COD
FU
You also mean that you don't DEFEND your alliance
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Razor Jaxx
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:15:00 -
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In addition to what Stav said..
A PvP corp joining an alliance will more than likely limit/hinder its available target pool. Alliance politics will dictate who you can/must shoot, and who you can't/mustn't.
In short, you become pawns, save for the one or two corps that in effect RUN the alliance - and even then you'll have to contend with the miners, manufacturers, etc. Gotta keep those people happy, eh? Blah.
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Razor Jaxx
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:15:00 -
[252]
In addition to what Stav said..
A PvP corp joining an alliance will more than likely limit/hinder its available target pool. Alliance politics will dictate who you can/must shoot, and who you can't/mustn't.
In short, you become pawns, save for the one or two corps that in effect RUN the alliance - and even then you'll have to contend with the miners, manufacturers, etc. Gotta keep those people happy, eh? Blah.
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:19:00 -
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It really comes down to the corporation and the reasons for them to join an alliance. I used to hate alliances.
We decided to join NVA because NVA and us had same enemies and quite frankly NVA was an underdog at the time.
I have always liked underdogs. In the process we made alot of friends with corporations that created the Phoenix All
iance. I like the alliance life now. We internally compete on who can make most kills, best videos and things of tha
t nature. But without smack.
Alliance is like a little part of eve where you can avoid all the BS that happends in these forums.
Atleast that's how I feel about it.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:19:00 -
[254]
It really comes down to the corporation and the reasons for them to join an alliance. I used to hate alliances.
We decided to join NVA because NVA and us had same enemies and quite frankly NVA was an underdog at the time.
I have always liked underdogs. In the process we made alot of friends with corporations that created the Phoenix All
iance. I like the alliance life now. We internally compete on who can make most kills, best videos and things of tha
t nature. But without smack.
Alliance is like a little part of eve where you can avoid all the BS that happends in these forums.
Atleast that's how I feel about it.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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HyperBaton
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:21:00 -
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Quote:
A PvP corp joining an alliance will more than likely limit/hinder its available target pool. Alliance politics will dictate who you can/must shoot, and who you can't/mustn't.
Well that just depends on the alliance you're in.
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HyperBaton
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:21:00 -
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Quote:
A PvP corp joining an alliance will more than likely limit/hinder its available target pool. Alliance politics will dictate who you can/must shoot, and who you can't/mustn't.
Well that just depends on the alliance you're in.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:28:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Stavros
Right.. so now you people argue that what m0o does is easier and it is infact HARDER to be in an alliance because you have to defend terrortory etc etc..
Well erm news flash, if being in an alliance is SOOO hard and being a roving corp is soo easy and you apparently gain so little from your alliances... Why are you in them in the first place?
If your corps are so good, why risk getting labeled with the same brush as the poorer corps in your alliance when you getting nothing in return? Why claim land when all it does (by your own admission) is make you a target?
The way the people arguing against me in this thread have laid it out these supposed 'strong' corps within alliances are there as a result of two possible reasons:
1) They aren't infact strong and need the support of their alliances in order to survive in the harsh world of 0.0 space.
2) They have been joined alliances for no good reason and as a result recieve no benefit (as being a roaming corp like m0o is obviously easier) and instead have just painted a big bullseye on their behinds because they are now targets due to their alliance land claiming.
Reason one is what I suspect, but if all you hardcore alliance corps think being m0o is so easy they your still weak, for wasting your time associating your corp with poorer members of your alliance when u recieve nothing in return but a battered reputation and increased attacks upon yourselves...
Or...
Maybe I missed something here and maybe the people arguing against me would like to change their stories and come up with some other reason why being in an alliance (I think I will call them herds from now on as that name suits them more aptly) doesnt diminish from individual corps strength.
In summation - strong corps associating with weak corps do nothing save weaken themselves.
You sirs, are ended.
Stavros
Sadly i dont make my corp policy but i stay with my corp because i have put in loads of time and effort in to making the corp what it is. If i had my way we would not be in a allance (no offence to the PA i love you guys) we would be doing what you guys do infact that is what we do anyway we are hardly in venal during war times or peace
remember i am not my corperation i speak my views not the views of my corp my first post was from my prospective not the prospective of R-K
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Stavros
Right.. so now you people argue that what m0o does is easier and it is infact HARDER to be in an alliance because you have to defend terrortory etc etc..
Well erm news flash, if being in an alliance is SOOO hard and being a roving corp is soo easy and you apparently gain so little from your alliances... Why are you in them in the first place?
If your corps are so good, why risk getting labeled with the same brush as the poorer corps in your alliance when you getting nothing in return? Why claim land when all it does (by your own admission) is make you a target?
The way the people arguing against me in this thread have laid it out these supposed 'strong' corps within alliances are there as a result of two possible reasons:
1) They aren't infact strong and need the support of their alliances in order to survive in the harsh world of 0.0 space.
2) They have been joined alliances for no good reason and as a result recieve no benefit (as being a roaming corp like m0o is obviously easier) and instead have just painted a big bullseye on their behinds because they are now targets due to their alliance land claiming.
Reason one is what I suspect, but if all you hardcore alliance corps think being m0o is so easy they your still weak, for wasting your time associating your corp with poorer members of your alliance when u recieve nothing in return but a battered reputation and increased attacks upon yourselves...
Or...
Maybe I missed something here and maybe the people arguing against me would like to change their stories and come up with some other reason why being in an alliance (I think I will call them herds from now on as that name suits them more aptly) doesnt diminish from individual corps strength.
In summation - strong corps associating with weak corps do nothing save weaken themselves.
You sirs, are ended.
Stavros
Sadly i dont make my corp policy but i stay with my corp because i have put in loads of time and effort in to making the corp what it is. If i had my way we would not be in a allance (no offence to the PA i love you guys) we would be doing what you guys do infact that is what we do anyway we are hardly in venal during war times or peace
remember i am not my corperation i speak my views not the views of my corp my first post was from my prospective not the prospective of R-K
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Razor Jaxx
In addition to what Stav said..
A PvP corp joining an alliance will more than likely limit/hinder its available target pool. Alliance politics will dictate who you can/must shoot, and who you can't/mustn't.
That is exactly why i dont like being in a allaince
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Razor Jaxx
In addition to what Stav said..
A PvP corp joining an alliance will more than likely limit/hinder its available target pool. Alliance politics will dictate who you can/must shoot, and who you can't/mustn't.
That is exactly why i dont like being in a allaince
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Artegg
Originally by: Razor Jaxx
In addition to what Stav said..
A PvP corp joining an alliance will more than likely limit/hinder its available target pool. Alliance politics will dictate who you can/must shoot, and who you can't/mustn't.
That is exactly why i dont like being in a allaince
I find myself in agreement with you there Artegg.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:37:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Artegg
Originally by: Razor Jaxx
In addition to what Stav said..
A PvP corp joining an alliance will more than likely limit/hinder its available target pool. Alliance politics will dictate who you can/must shoot, and who you can't/mustn't.
That is exactly why i dont like being in a allaince
I find myself in agreement with you there Artegg.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Artegg
Lets face it attacking is much easier than defending in this game you say people who are in alliances are weak i say they are stronger than corps like m0o and evol because they are prepared to make a claim to land and to try and protect it unlike you guys who can just fly in and safespot gank parttime miner/parttime pvper then safe spot when you get out numbered. At least the alliance members have the balls to make a home and try and protect it
With respect to alot of good quality freelancing corps, Artegg is totally right.
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.09.08 16:54:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Artegg
Lets face it attacking is much easier than defending in this game you say people who are in alliances are weak i say they are stronger than corps like m0o and evol because they are prepared to make a claim to land and to try and protect it unlike you guys who can just fly in and safespot gank parttime miner/parttime pvper then safe spot when you get out numbered. At least the alliance members have the balls to make a home and try and protect it
With respect to alot of good quality freelancing corps, Artegg is totally right.
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.09.08 17:00:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Amthrianius
heh, who fits a co-pro on an inter..... or for that matter radio crystals....
Want to duel? I'll show you what radio crystals can do
No comment about the coproc though
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.09.08 17:00:00 -
[266]
Originally by: Amthrianius
heh, who fits a co-pro on an inter..... or for that matter radio crystals....
Want to duel? I'll show you what radio crystals can do
No comment about the coproc though
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.09.08 17:29:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Talon SilverHawk
Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 07/09/2004 15:28:51
Originally by: EvilDoomer
Here is my list and its backed up by facts.
1. OC
2. VOTF
3. SHINRA
4. MASS
5. Zoners
6. Ota Corps
7. 7th Space Cavalry
8. Black Reign
9. M. Corp
10. Taggart Transdimensional
11. Spectre Knights
12. Stronghold Corp {I think}
Based on these Facts.
Top 10 battleship wrecking corporations (all involved parties, distinct kills)
Omega Corp (466) , Vengeance of the Fallen (288) , Shinra (238) , Zoners (153) , Ota Corps (133) , 7th Space Cavalry (127) , Black Reign (126) , M. Corp (125) , Taggart Transdimensional (119) , SPECTRE Knights (94)
Top 10 ship wrecking corporations (all involved parties, distinct kills)
Omega Corp (1988) , Shinra (985) , Vengeance of the Fallen (939) , RUS (442) , Zoners (439) , Corp 1 (378) , M. Corp (318) , Taggart Transdimensional (307) , SPECTRE Knights (304) , Black Reign (295)
Top 10 pod killers (all involved parties, capsules only)
The Enslaver (72) , CKOZUK (72) , Lao Tzu (68) , Karien (61) , Piccilo (48) , DeMundus (44) , DJTheBaron (42) , Zelota (39) , Redon (37) , Christopher Scott (34)
mOo was a name of the past. Zombies ?
You do the math these numbers are backed up from the CMS system. Follow linkage and you can see.
This is from a CA site and does not take other corps into account so this would make it the top 10 CA Corps not Eves.
Tal
Hate to burst ya bubble dude, but, our kill list lists only battleship kills, and its 3 times higher than your top ranking battleship killers :/
Doh!
Sass
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.09.08 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Talon SilverHawk
Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 07/09/2004 15:28:51
Originally by: EvilDoomer
Here is my list and its backed up by facts.
1. OC
2. VOTF
3. SHINRA
4. MASS
5. Zoners
6. Ota Corps
7. 7th Space Cavalry
8. Black Reign
9. M. Corp
10. Taggart Transdimensional
11. Spectre Knights
12. Stronghold Corp {I think}
Based on these Facts.
Top 10 battleship wrecking corporations (all involved parties, distinct kills)
Omega Corp (466) , Vengeance of the Fallen (288) , Shinra (238) , Zoners (153) , Ota Corps (133) , 7th Space Cavalry (127) , Black Reign (126) , M. Corp (125) , Taggart Transdimensional (119) , SPECTRE Knights (94)
Top 10 ship wrecking corporations (all involved parties, distinct kills)
Omega Corp (1988) , Shinra (985) , Vengeance of the Fallen (939) , RUS (442) , Zoners (439) , Corp 1 (378) , M. Corp (318) , Taggart Transdimensional (307) , SPECTRE Knights (304) , Black Reign (295)
Top 10 pod killers (all involved parties, capsules only)
The Enslaver (72) , CKOZUK (72) , Lao Tzu (68) , Karien (61) , Piccilo (48) , DeMundus (44) , DJTheBaron (42) , Zelota (39) , Redon (37) , Christopher Scott (34)
mOo was a name of the past. Zombies ?
You do the math these numbers are backed up from the CMS system. Follow linkage and you can see.
This is from a CA site and does not take other corps into account so this would make it the top 10 CA Corps not Eves.
Tal
Hate to burst ya bubble dude, but, our kill list lists only battleship kills, and its 3 times higher than your top ranking battleship killers :/
Doh!
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Nafri
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Posted - 2004.09.08 17:39:00 -
[269]
mhh arent we a bit of topic now??
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.09.08 17:39:00 -
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mhh arent we a bit of topic now??
Wanna fly with me?
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