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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 19/05/2009 09:50:42
Thanks for your sound advice, Simon. At this point I'm mostly concerned about the rating mechanics, though. I'm unsure what the best method to rank the teams would be. I'm leaning towards a mechanic that would encourage teams to pit themselves against opponents of similar caliber somehow. Ideas are welcome.
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 19/05/2009 09:46:30
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I believe that with this you could setup a long term league that would almost run it self, no need to be present every sunday for X hours. Just need to log in over the week, confirm that registered teams are engaged in war and wait for the results to drop in.
I'm making sure this wouldn't be required in any case, as I feel it would limit the amount of players that are able to participate in proportion to my own spare time. The idea is to allow teams to submit the results of matches they've participated in themselves (needless to say, there would be measures to ensure that the results are legit). If that doesn't work out, a set of EVE Arena representatives would be appointed to be present at any match.
It is my goal that the only thing that would need to be organized is the bi-monthly tournament.
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2009.05.19 11:40:00 -
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i like it.
some space to 1v1 would be cool
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 11:53:00 -
[34]
Originally by: 1600 RT
i like it.
some space to 1v1 would be cool
That it would!
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Leeluvv
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.19 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: 1600 RT
i like it.
some space to 1v1 would be cool
If you want to 1v1, here is the only website you will ever need Pure 1v1 . If you don't like this site, then you aren't into evenly-matched, gank-free, 1v1s.
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Cerundir
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Posted - 2009.05.19 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Leeluvv
Originally by: 1600 RT
i like it.
some space to 1v1 would be cool
If you want to 1v1, here is the only website you will ever need Pure 1v1 . If you don't like this site, then you aren't into evenly-matched, gank-free, 1v1s.
u mad a funneh
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 17:53:00 -
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Bump because of new sketches!
http://files.forrykt.com/eve-arena-1.jpg
http://files.forrykt.com/eve-arena-2.jpg
http://files.forrykt.com/eve-arena-3.jpg
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1nsan1ty
Darkwave Technologies
Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 18:01:00 -
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Great idea mate! I was wondering how something as this haven't been mentioned or worked on before?
You might as well contact CCP and ask for some of their support if it all starts well. (I bet they could somehow fix the security issue?:)
I've always enjoyed arena fighting style and would like to have a share of it in Eve.
o7
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: 1nsan1ty
You might as well contact CCP and ask for some of their support if it all starts well. (I bet they could somehow fix the security issue?:)
's a mighty good idea.
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Jebidus Skari
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.05.19 22:16:00 -
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Yes the problem is getting others to stay out of it and not cause havoc or some pirates or alliance jumping in for a laugh and killing them all (which would happen)
If CCP introduced some battle grounds (which is easy to do as they can use the mission mechanics where you have a key to a gate to warp to some secure space) then im sure this would be a go (unless CCP then introduced their own ladder!)
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Solra Wolfe
GunStars
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Posted - 2009.05.19 23:40:00 -
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I would think the security issue could be managed fairly easy - simply have the respective teams meet at a secret location at a particular time and date. If it's corp based combat, the corps declare war 24hrs prior to the meeting.
You would definitely need an official or two to witness the combat, verify ship classes, any weapon restrictions, enforce any rule infractions, and submit official results. Probably two officials - one per side like a "second" in a duel. |
Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.20 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Solra Wolfe
I would think the security issue could be managed fairly easy - simply have the respective teams meet at a secret location at a particular time and date. If it's corp based combat, the corps declare war 24hrs prior to the meeting.
You would definitely need an official or two to witness the combat, verify ship classes, any weapon restrictions, enforce any rule infractions, and submit official results. Probably two officials - one per side like a "second" in a duel.
I'm not so sure. At least I hope not, as I feel that would severely limit the scope of the concept. The idea is that one team submits the results, and that they cannot become official until they've been confirmed by the other. Teams are also going to be required to submit screenshots (one for each team) of the battlefield (complete with wrecks and whatnot). I think these conditions will make it very hard to cheat, and even if it occurs there will be other (sikrit) measures in place to determine who has been tampering. |
Bo'Tox
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.20 07:12:00 -
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HI,
Id LOVE to see this.
Id like to add the extras though:
I'd also like to see a ruling though that anyone can turn up in the system and watch under a NRDS policy...
Anyone shooting a person/player/watcher who is NOT part of the combat gets an instant GANK from all in the system! (Players in the combat can join in if they so desire).
(Imagine someone getting ganked and then pod webed by 20 people who he has to pay off to get them to release the webbers! And he gets podded anyway! LOL!)
Of course, any combats would then have to notify CCP that the arena combat is taking place, and they would be happy and this would allow others to join in without bringing down the server!
PS: the above has been posted by a carebear... 
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.20 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Bo'Tox
PS: the above has been posted by a carebear...
I suspected as much.
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Bonny Lee
Caldari
The Guardian Agency
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.20 07:45:00 -
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:p IŠll take bets on when the ladderŠs 1.place will be wardecced by multiple mercs.
And you say its not a featurerequest but you (or the players)
will beg for game mechanics anyway after the ladder is running.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.20 07:53:00 -
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So, if I'm reading the OP right, you are offering to start a league?
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.05.20 09:23:00 -
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Where can I cash in my honor rewards? Is there gonna se Season7 released when?
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Miss Stellar
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Posted - 2009.05.20 09:57:00 -
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I think that this would spice up eve verry nicely.
I have been watching the eve tournament VI and wanted to join in on the fun but starting at that level isnt what i would call fun its called suicide. 
So giving an smaller version with rankings with different brackets (low/med/high amount of points) that takes place as much as you want to, is a dream come true when just thinking of the fun that will take place 
But managing this will be a huge effort as each match will need a referee so to say and with the time zones this could be on going 24/7.
Only thing is, as stated above that the kill mails that occure in the arena be seperate some how from the normal kill mails. And rule break actions (early locking/moving) should be somehow be prevended automatically, as noobs will waist the time of those that want to play fair and have fun.
I hope this does happen as grabing 5 corp mates and fitting a 10mill T1 cruiser and going into an unknown "fair" fight sounds just so much better than running into 0.0 and ither not finding anything or jump into a Bubble camp.
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EvenFlo
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:40:00 -
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/ME GRAB YER LAZERS AND GET UR ASS TO 0.0 SOLDIER!!
I fear that perhaps a arena or battleroom is edging towards the WOW feel. However I do like the sketches 
Will be watching this thread to see how it develops.
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.20 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Stellar
But managing this will be a huge effort as each match will need a referee so to say and with the time zones this could be on going 24/7.
Again - I'm making sure having referees to submit the outcome of a match will not be required, as I feel it would severely limit the scope of the concept. There will be several measures in place to prevent cheating, the most apparent of which requires both teams to confirm the outcome of a match as well as screenshot(s).
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Solra Wolfe
GunStars
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Posted - 2009.05.21 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Caelum Dominus
Originally by: Solra Wolfe
I would think the security issue could be managed fairly easy - simply have the respective teams meet at a secret location at a particular time and date. If it's corp based combat, the corps declare war 24hrs prior to the meeting.
You would definitely need an official or two to witness the combat, verify ship classes, any weapon restrictions, enforce any rule infractions, and submit official results. Probably two officials - one per side like a "second" in a duel.
I'm not so sure. At least I hope not, as I feel that would severely limit the scope of the concept. The idea is that one team submits the results, and that they cannot become official until they've been confirmed by the other. Teams are also going to be required to submit screenshots (one for each team) of the battlefield (complete with wrecks and whatnot). I think these conditions will make it very hard to cheat, and even if it occurs there will be other (sikrit) measures in place to determine who has been tampering.
I'm not sure self policing would work. The main problem I see is that teams will not want to risk multi-million ISK ships if the other team does not verify the results due to some "perceived unfairness". I guess it might work if there were no restrictions at all. But there would have to be a time limit on battles at least. Perhaps a timed "king of the hill" scenario. Hmmm...
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.21 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 21/05/2009 09:27:51
Originally by: Solra Wolfe
I'm not sure self policing would work. The main problem I see is that teams will not want to risk multi-million ISK ships if the other team does not verify the results due to some "perceived unfairness". I guess it might work if there were no restrictions at all. But there would have to be a time limit on battles at least. Perhaps a timed "king of the hill" scenario. Hmmm...
Thanks Soldra; those are valid points. I worry that people might cheat in all sorts of ways if the losing team isn't required to confirm the outcome of a match, though. Seeing the lack of in-game mechanics, whatever system EVE Arena employs would ultimately be based on trust. That's probably a bad idea, but it's all I've really got. I will be appointing a host of moderators to deal with disputes, though, so that teams that continously refuse to confirm results will be penalized or banned.
I don't think we'll see people using T2/T3 cruisers outside of the bi-monthly tournament, however, and for most people a tech 1 cruiser is pocket change. I hope and think that most teams will accept the small risk you describe, except perhaps in the case of matches between the top 10 teams. In that case, one might want to have representatives at the scene to confirm the results.
Thoughts?
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Holy Lowlander
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Posted - 2009.05.21 09:46:00 -
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I know I'd like it ,
but you would need incredibly much time for something like that. Organising 1 tournament is a lot of work .. let alone a whole ranking system ..
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.21 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Holy Lowlander
I know I'd like it ,
but you would need incredibly much time for something like that. Organising 1 tournament is a lot of work .. let alone a whole ranking system ..
The ranking system will be automated and should prove very little work to maintain.
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UniToxic
Minmatar
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.01 20:07:00 -
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How is this coming on it has certainly caught my eye.
Also on a side note are your skills up for hire after this project has been completed?
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Jitasuperyrader
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Posted - 2009.06.01 20:42:00 -
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Speaking as a pvper and 0.0 resident for 5 years+....i like the idea. If CCP themselves came up with it and added battlegrounds then i would not be happy, but for a 3rd party to do it im all for it :), Its keeping with the spirit of eve.
Bloody hard to organise and keep safe from people butting in etc. I would suggest that you run it in low sec perhaps, that way you may get more than your average carebear wanting in. Of course there would be issues with pirates etc, but having it in low sec allows pirates to participate.
On a side not theres a thought...cpp adding a match system in low sec and low sec only. Buff to low sec, keeps the pvpers happy and gives people a chance for fair fights. Have a role play reason being that concord dont condone pvp in high sec etc. Of course there would be a pirate issue, but just have a few sentries at the arenas. Gives the people participating in the matchs a chance to fight back lol.
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 05/06/2009 14:55:14
Originally by: UniToxic
How is this coming on it has certainly caught my eye.
I'm glad to note your interest, UniToxic. I completed the system today, and it is scheduled to enter (closed) beta tomorrow.
Originally by: UniToxic
Also on a side note are your skills up for hire after this project has been completed?
They just might be - please feel free to get in touch.
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jitasuperyrader
Speaking as a pvper and 0.0 resident for 5 years+....i like the idea. If CCP themselves came up with it and added battlegrounds then i would not be happy, but for a 3rd party to do it im all for it :), Its keeping with the spirit of eve.
I agree wholeheartedly.
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Bloody hard to organise and keep safe from people butting in etc. I would suggest that you run it in low sec perhaps, that way you may get more than your average carebear wanting in. Of course there would be issues with pirates etc, but having it in low sec allows pirates to participate.
Teams are free to complete ranked matches whereever they like. Most of details surrounding the invitational tournament to mark the conclusion of each season is still undecided.
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Troyd23
Zenislev Contingent
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Posted - 2009.06.05 19:12:00 -
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/signed whole concept is great..and should it become reality I will be joining. |
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