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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 18/05/2009 19:32:51
Hello everyone,
I'm a web developer with too much time and bandwidth on my hands. I've been tinkering with the idea of founding a network to facilitate organized brawls. This thread is an attempt to measure the interest (if any) for such a network.
In a nutshell, here's what I have in mind:
ò An Alliance Tournament-inspired ruleset in that there is no limit to pilots involved, but rather a "point" cost assigned to every ship class. For example, a team could elect to bring 1 cruiser or 2 frigates rather than 2 cruisers.
ò Several brackets, each with a different amount of total points to allocate.
ò A ranking that includes all teams and/or players.
ò Top teams (as determined by the aforementioned ranking) are invited to join a tournament to face off against other top teams and compete for fabulous prizes every month.
Please reply if you'd participate, and don't hesitate to submit ideas!
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.05.18 19:31:00 -
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I'm only interested if I can be at the bottom.
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Professor Perplex
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Posted - 2009.05.18 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Perplex on 18/05/2009 19:32:24
edit: sorry thought you were requesting it as a feature :D
will read first before posting next time 
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 19:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Professor Perplex
Edited by: Professor Perplex on 18/05/2009 19:32:24
edit: sorry thought you were requesting it as a feature :D
will read first before posting next time
Does this mean I can step out of the fire and stop dying now?
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Haks'he Lirky
Durgarnir
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Posted - 2009.05.18 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 18/05/2009 19:37:59
My biggest question would be regarding the security issue, where would the contest be held and what is there to stop the ingenious population of EVE from jumping into the contest with non-registered pilots with the intent of spoiling the fun so to speak?
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Cypherous
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.05.18 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 18/05/2009 19:37:59
My biggest question would be regarding the security issue, where would the contest be held and what is there to stop the ingenious population of EVE from jumping into the contest with non-registered pilots with the intent of spoiling the fun so to speak?
He could opt to run the contests with canflipping used or for example have 2 corps at war with each other to make it so only certain people could shoot each other etc
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 18/05/2009 19:45:18
Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 18/05/2009 19:37:59
My biggest question would be regarding the security issue, where would the contest be held and what is there to stop the ingenious population of EVE from jumping into the contest with non-registered pilots with the intent of spoiling the fun so to speak?
Do you mean the tournament that would be held every now and again for the top teams? I haven't really given it much thought yet, but I'd think somewhere quiet and secret (ooo sikrit) with only the teams and representatives from the network on location. If you were referring to the countless matches that would take place to rise in the ranking, that would be left to the discretion of the teams involved.
Either way, I feel this is a minor concern at this point - I'd just like to get an idea of whether there's any interest for this idea. :-)
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Demos Mast
Gallente
Paradigm Council
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Posted - 2009.05.18 20:09:00 -
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no
no no no no no
this would ruin eve.
god it was such a pain having to deal with it in wow id die if an arena system plagued eve.
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 18/05/2009 20:14:25
Originally by: Demos Mast
no
no no no no no
this would ruin eve.
What? No, I somehow doubt a third-party website could ruin EVE.
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Sharp Feather
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.05.18 20:13:00 -
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is it possible for you ******s to read the OP first, please? Because he is not requesting it as a feature. READ FIRST...dumb nerdz.
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Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
The Tal'Shiar
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Posted - 2009.05.18 20:34:00 -
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My corp would participate if it didn't require a huge amount of effort. To be quite honest, finding a fight in EVE is pretty easy. Finding a fair fight can be difficult though. Things like this have been fairly difficult to participate in in the past, and poorly planned. Your idea, in the end, will ultimately determine participation.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2009.05.18 20:35:00 -
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What I would suggest is that rather than let corps decide who they can fight and fighting as many battles as they like, you could organise it in a tournament format. It could be like the alliance tournament but for corps. It'd be a lot of effort to organise and promote the tournament but I'm sure it would work.
I reccomend using can-flipping procedures and holding the tournament in highsec. Hold matches in the same system weekly and make it a regular event. For example, if it's in Deltole and runs on Sundays, you could call it the Deltole Sunday Tournament or something and anyone that hears about it will know when and where it is. Kind of promotes itself in a sense. But definitely don't underestimate the amount of work that will have to go into organising something like this and DO NOT try to keep organising it yourself if the workload gets too much. There are plenty of other people that I'm sure would help out and take over for weeks or months at a time. If you can get that up and running as a regular weekly event for a few months straight, I think it'll really start to take off. It's keeping it running and organising it well that's the real issue.
I'm slightly more dubious about your current idea of teams being able to fight as many matches as they like etc. I think a standard drawn tournament would feel much more fair and avoid one or two corps lording over the entire tournament and beating down anyone that approaches their continuously updated rank.
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
My corp would participate if it didn't require a huge amount of effort. To be quite honest, finding a fight in EVE is pretty easy. Finding a fair fight can be difficult though. Things like this have been fairly difficult to participate in in the past, and poorly planned. Your idea, in the end, will ultimately determine participation.
Absolutely - I can relate to this. As such, it's critical to my mission for everything about this to be uncomplicated. I'd like everyone to be able to participate and have fun, ranging from "newbies" to hardcore PvPers.
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 20:44:00 -
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Updated the first post with a more detailed description.
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Great Artista
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.18 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Caelum Dominus
What? No, I somehow doubt a third-party website could ruin EVE.
Killboards. 
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 18/05/2009 20:56:41
Thanks for your suggestions, Nyphyr! Those are great ideas.
The tournament plays an important role in this idea. I feel that limiting the concept to only the tournament would perhaps entail a more closed form of competition, though - don't you think it'd be even more interesting to see the outcome of something you participated in yourself?
If anyone can participate, this might also be a nice introduction to PvP for those who have yet to experience it as it should be.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista
Originally by: Caelum Dominus
What? No, I somehow doubt a third-party website could ruin EVE.
Killboards.
this
killboards are designed with statistics to show you how muuch efficienty the corp/alliance has
why do you need a ladder or you could do a ladder with efficiencies of alliance and corp but having a battle arena kind of thing makes it well sound really cheap. eve is about the un expected. alliance tourneys are fun BUT they only come once a year and i think because there so few and far apart it make it more for enjoyable watching.
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 21:06:00 -
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@ Armoured C: I feel that EVE is also about tactics, and it's nice to be able to employ these on an even playing field more often than once a year.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.05.18 21:10:00 -
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A third party system is the next best thing to the now-aborted arenas.
Arena's, if well implemented, would be freaking awesome in EVE. You, or a small team, join a roster against other teams or solo combatants and fight to the death.
It's done on a daily basis right here on planet earth in a million different formats, from UFC to soccer, but somehow the insane player base has it in their heads that regulated competition would somehow magically ruin the game. If you don't like, then don't m'fing do it.
It's the same as mining, if you don't like mining don't mine. If you don't like running missions, don't run missions, if you don't like pvp, don't pvp... if you don't like signing up for competition combat, then don't... but it would hardly be the death of EVE.
People who play MMO's 24/7 seem to lose all capacity for logical reasoning.
To answer your question tho, yes, I think it would be great and if there was a way to do it without dorkholes crashing the party, then I'd be in line every day to fight.
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 21:15:00 -
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Well put Neesa, and thanks for the encouragement!
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Solra Wolfe
GunStars
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Posted - 2009.05.19 04:20:00 -
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I would like to see this myself.
However, doing it in a secure manner that prevents re-tards from showing up is key.
Also, if it does take off, the organization could be hell..
I think it's a great idea that just needs someone to get the ball rolling. If you can find a way to make some isk off it too, then all the power to ya!
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.05.19 05:05:00 -
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I would love this. I've been wanting to PvP a bit but never find any fair fights since usually people run away and come back to blow me away with a bigger ship or the only ones who "consent" are the 6 year old veterans. I'll even help with the organization if this ever takes off. 
This will HELP Eve, not ruin it. It's a sandbox after all!
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 06:27:00 -
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Alright then! I'll start the development today.
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 19/05/2009 08:51:32
First sketch...
http://files.forrykt.com/sketch.jpg
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Atedar Kerane
HeXstoof
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Posted - 2009.05.19 09:08:00 -
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Sweet, great job :D
I'd love to participate in that!
/singed :D
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.05.19 09:13:00 -
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What about doing it as a league style kind of thing? All teams registered have weekly or twice a week fights. The main problem I could see is location etc. Still, sounds like a good idea
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari
Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.19 09:18:00 -
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A reason to play would be nice. I'd give it a go.
Also - nice initial design for the website. Dapper.
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.05.19 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle
A reason to play would be nice.
My motivation exactly. ;)
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Simon Barrow
Durgarnir
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Posted - 2009.05.19 09:25:00 -
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I have some experience in managing events in mmo's and I would like to offer my advice.
1. Relying on dodgy mechanics.
Can flipping as an aggression tool for gang fighting can go wrong, not all manage to get aggression, someone does not honor a wait time that is needed for everyone to confirm aggression and so on. And in my experience if things can go wrong then they will (and on a regular basis as well). Can flipping in my experience is only really valid for 1vs1.
2. Trust people to break the rules.
So you need to be prepared. Unfair rules will break the spirit of the competition as will to lenient rules.
3. Public venues are never good.
On the plus side you get spectators. On the negative side you get spectators. Remote Repping, lag inducement, suicide attacks and things you can never really plan for will occur with spectators around.
So those are few of the negatives, in my opinion. If you can get past those then you are in easy waters.
I also believe that while the alliance wars were cool that they did not truly embody the spirit of EVE. But then again that is just my opinion. :)
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Simon Barrow
Durgarnir
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Posted - 2009.05.19 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Simon Barrow
I also believe that while the alliance wars were cool that they did not truly embody the spirit of EVE. But then again that is just my opinion. :)
To further explain what I mean.
A league I would like to see is a corporate empire league.
Terms.
1. Pre determined size of corporations engage in a week long series of fights. This is simply done through declaring a Mutual war.
2. Kill mails need to be uploaded to tournament site from both parties. ((or is it possible today to get API info?)).
3. Size restrictions on ships will be enforced through kill mail moderation. With points deducted for illegal ship use (this you can easily do automatically on the website).
and so on.
I believe that with this you could setup a long term league that would almost run it self, no need to be present every sunday for X hours. Just need to log in over the week, confirm that registered teams are engaged in war and wait for the results to drop in.
In the long term you will get people willing to assist and gather reports on the fighting. Done correctly I believe this could be big.
Anyway, those were my two cents.
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