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Carapace Cassius
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Posted - 2009.05.20 14:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Agile Nakajima
So you were in 1.0
And you dropped some jetcans. (7 of them, which you had filled up by mining with a probe? how long did that take you?)
Maybe he didn't get to fill them up. Anyway, the Probe is one of those frigates with generous mining bonuses (20% per level). It can mine quite fast for a non-barge.
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And someone stole from the jetcans.
And this somehow gave all your ships kill rights on the thief.
'Somehow'? Stealing from cans and wrecks gives the robbed party a 15-minute aggression counter during which the wronged one can shoot the thief with no CONCORD intervention.
This is so basic I wonder why I'm taking the time to respond to it - but I did anyway 'cause if you were just trolling, that would be the lamest trolling I've ever seen.
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So you engaged him with your mighty fleet, and he destroyed them all, without concorde intervening?
Yeah. Once the robbed party shoots a thief, the thief gets his/her own aggression counter towards the other.
In short, CONCORD doesn't mess with thieves either way; it just lets the involved parties take the matters with their own hands. Just like in wardec'ing, come to think of it.
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Agile Nakajima
Minmatar
Freelance Tax Inspectors
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Posted - 2009.05.20 15:15:00 -
[32]
The probe had accumulated 7 jetcans. Robbing from one of these would give the probe pilot, and only the probe pilot, the right to shoot at the thief.
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Carapace Cassius
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Posted - 2009.05.20 15:24:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Agile Nakajima
The probe had accumulated 7 jetcans. Robbing from one of these would give the probe pilot, and only the probe pilot, the right to shoot at the thief.
Not exactly. It doesn't give aggression rights only to the probe pilot but to all pilots from his corporation (assuming he's in a player corp).
If you steal from a player wreck, or container, the entire corp of the wreck owner will be able to engage you for a period of 15 minutes.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Can_Flipping
Note the fleet was formed with alt characters in the same corp.
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Agile Nakajima
Minmatar
Freelance Tax Inspectors
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Posted - 2009.05.20 15:37:00 -
[34]
Then I have misunderstood the mechanic and withdraw my question. Thanks for setting me straight.
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Thea Arsoniztik
Red Tides
Viewer Discretion Advised
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Posted - 2009.05.20 15:54:00 -
[35]
He didn't even need a vigilante to wreck your fleet. I could have done it with a lone t1 arbitrator.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.05.20 16:06:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Thea Arsoniztik
He didn't even need a vigilante to wreck your fleet. I could have done it with a lone t1 arbitrator.
Heck, even a regular thorax would have bbq'd them into oblivion. I'd even go so far as to say damn near any competently fit cruiser would have taken them down...with the possible exception of the logistics cruisers...they're pretty awful unless you get them together in packs :)
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Purest Heart
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Posted - 2009.05.20 16:17:00 -
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1. Thoraxes rock
2. Vigillant rocks even harder
3. I wouldn't recommend micromanaging 3 ships at the same time
4. Why you mixing 250mm rails and blasters on the same setup? 
5. Since he was using light ion blasters, he probably had a 1600 plate fitted with around 5-6k armour.
Nice bait plan though. Unlucky.
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FOl2TY8
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.05.20 16:20:00 -
[38]
You would have won if you had fit your ships properly. I wouldn't war-dec this alliance if I were you. If you want a war-dec experience I would have your corp join faction war.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2009.05.20 16:27:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Karma97731
I was ****ed, so I returned the fleet back to base and decided to wardec that clown and his corp, and his alliance.
Money spent wardeccing APONY is lost. Been there done that they seldom logged and didn't undock when they did. However they got some friends to counterdec us and we got a carrier kill out of it, so may be worth it...
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Karma97731
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Posted - 2009.05.20 17:29:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Karma97731 on 20/05/2009 17:30:26
Originally by: Agile Nakajima
Then I have misunderstood the mechanic and withdraw my question. Thanks for setting me straight.
Yeah, the moment the vigilantly/Thorax snatched one of the probe's jetcans it began flashing red, and the moment my ambush party warped into the asteroid field that Thorax was flashing red on all of our screens, and YES I was failed fitted.
I'm ****ed and training more.
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Karma97731
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Posted - 2009.05.20 17:44:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Thea Arsoniztik
He didn't even need a vigilante to wreck your fleet. I could have done it with a lone t1 arbitrator.
Well the day will come when I have the training and might to take the fight to the big boys down in low sec.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.05.20 18:14:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Karma97731
Originally by: Thea Arsoniztik
He didn't even need a vigilante to wreck your fleet. I could have done it with a lone t1 arbitrator.
Well the day will come when I have the training and might to take the fight to the big boys down in low sec.
Good luck..even though it looks like Karma is a Bravo Indigo Tango Charlie Hotel.  At least for the moment.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Karma97731
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Posted - 2009.05.20 18:51:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
Originally by: Karma97731
Originally by: Thea Arsoniztik
He didn't even need a vigilante to wreck your fleet. I could have done it with a lone t1 arbitrator.
Well the day will come when I have the training and might to take the fight to the big boys down in low sec.
Good luck..even though it looks like Karma is a Bravo Indigo Tango Charlie Hotel. At least for the moment.
Hey!!! Don't be calling me any names now. A biotch I'm not.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.20 19:08:00 -
[44]
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Basically that bastard was only interested in killing me and my crew.
I hate dawning it on you, but can flippers are not idiots, and their SINGLE reason to can flip is to kill you and make you e-rage.
If his ship had not been enough, he'd just warp in his tier 18 Super-Mega-Extra-Universe-Destroyer++ and mop the floor with your whole corporation.
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Well the day will come when I have the training and might to take the fight to the big boys down in low sec.
1) You talk like pouring more money or time on your characters will bring you anywhere. False. YOU IRL have to train.
2) Start by doing 1v1 and in low sec, then you'll grow the cocones to fight the big boys. 3v1 you'll just be laughed at and / or provide for comedy killmails.
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Daplat Mode
Caldari
Mean Corp
Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.05.20 19:21:00 -
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Some tips for you Karma....
Be patient, you still have to train skills just like everyone else regardless of how much of a cold blooded pvp'r you think you are already.
Being able to fight is something that takes time and experience, you cant just jump into a fight with a handful of halfassed pilots in ill-fit tech1 crap and expect to win, even if you are only going after one guy.
You need to train, learn how to fit your ships, and structure/command your gang.
A good pvp pilot will take a couple of rifters and a shield tanked vexor (lol) and swat you like flies.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.05.20 19:23:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Karma97731
Hey!!! Don't be calling me any names now. A biotch I'm not.
By those killmails, it sure looks to be otherwise.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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VoiceInTheDesert
Zebra Corp
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.05.20 19:25:00 -
[47]
I almost bought this until I saw the Vigilant. No one would steal ore in a Vigilant. I refuse to believe this.
But on the off-hand chance that it's true...OP's fittings on the vex + trying to triple box with 3 close range ships is why you failed.
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Future Mutant
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Posted - 2009.05.20 19:39:00 -
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You lost ships to a corp called "A Pretty Pony Princess"?
that is so freeking hilarious...
confirms once again that a cool name (ie roughnecks) doesnt go as far as skill
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.05.20 19:44:00 -
[49]
Talk to EVE-Uni or Agony unleashed about some PVP classes. Or contact Noir. (evemail Alekseyev Karrde) about PVP training.
If you're serious about learning PVP, the first thing to do is calm down. The second is to spend some time on Ships/Modules (not really very good, but better than nothing) or the Scrapheap-Challenge fitting forums. Learn how to tank and what ships are best at it- for example, don't shield-tank a Vexor (or most Gallente ships).
You'll need to train a lot of support skills. The basic ones like Mechanic and so forth. The amount of effectiveness they introduce to your setups cannot be overstated.
You'll need patience, a willingness to learn and patience.
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Karma97731
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Posted - 2009.05.20 21:49:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Talk to EVE-Uni or Agony unleashed about some PVP classes. Or contact Noir. (evemail Alekseyev Karrde) about PVP training.
If you're serious about learning PVP, the first thing to do is calm down. The second is to spend some time on Ships/Modules (not really very good, but better than nothing) or the Scrapheap-Challenge fitting forums. Learn how to tank and what ships are best at it- for example, don't shield-tank a Vexor (or most Gallente ships).
You'll need to train a lot of support skills. The basic ones like Mechanic and so forth. The amount of effectiveness they introduce to your setups cannot be overstated.
You'll need patience, a willingness to learn and patience.
I lost 2 more Rifters today trying to figure out my ships setup. I fought some guy who was flying an Inquisitor. We fought for like 20 minutes. My armor tank was holding up pretty good, and he was also very well protected. My flaw was not being able to get in maximum range to use my auto cannons to their full effectiveness.
Also, while I was busy repairing my armor my capacitor kept running out of juice, so this right here says that I need to train up my repair system skills, and the fact that guy was able to stay out of range was because I ditched my afterburners for another module. This tells me that I need to train my energy management and energy grid skills.
I guess I have no patience because I want to get into the war now, and the amount of training time it will take for me to get up to speed will be months.
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Mystafyre
Caldari
Dark Materials
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.05.20 22:03:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Mystafyre on 20/05/2009 22:03:34
This is a well hidden troll. Must be. 
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JordanParey
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.20 22:07:00 -
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If you're using Rifters it would be well worth it to train for t2 guns. Get Small Autocannon Specialization up to 4 (takes a coupla days) and then put THOSE on your Rifter. Use Republic Fleet EMP ammo. Use Barrage ammo (gives your autos a bit more range, might solve your range problems a little bit.)
Where you can't use t2, use best named (meta 4) modules.
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MeestaPenni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.20 22:08:00 -
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This is a very interesting thread.....OP lays it out straight up....asks good questions....is clearly puzzled about the "what up"....and suddenly, it turns into jagoff central.
This entire sub-forum is composed of one or the other....."flame every new thread"....or, "post lame insipid doodles over and over again".....
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Karma97731
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Posted - 2009.05.20 22:13:00 -
[54]
Originally by: JordanParey
If you're using Rifters it would be well worth it to train for t2 guns. Get Small Autocannon Specialization up to 4 (takes a coupla days) and then put THOSE on your Rifter. Use Republic Fleet EMP ammo. Use Barrage ammo (gives your autos a bit more range, might solve your range problems a little bit.)
Where you can't use t2, use best named (meta 4) modules.
Now this is good info. I just bought the Small Autocannon Specialization! All the other mentioned suggestions are pretty good. I will try this approach. What about armor tanking? How should I go about doing that just right?
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Hippy07
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Posted - 2009.05.20 23:06:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Hippy07 on 20/05/2009 23:09:15
You and I are in opposite situations. I've been pvp'ing for years and decided to make an industrial toon for something to do when the targets arent around.
The key to the KM is his guns.
He probably had something like this fitted.
[Thorax, AllTankNoGank-AntiFrig]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x2
with my pvp toons skills (near perfect ) this setup does 334 dps with all hammerhead drones or 299 with a mix. This is with no overheating which any dedicated pvp toon can do.
With just a low grade set of slaves, this setup has 13.2k HP. EHP is 47k. This doesn't include other things that can boost it even more.
This is a thorax setup, with a vig he would be tougher and have the option to add a medium cap booster and switch out the 800mm plate for a Medium armor rep II - fight would need to be decently long to rep more than the 800mm plate gives, this is more of a preference. Overheating helps with setup.
This setup with its small guns and light drones will murder frigates. it will take out most cruisers quickly if they have no plate and im overheating. Solo I've taken on 7+ young pilots in frigates / cruisers. I die too sometimes, but its damn fun and exhilarating to take on so many pilots and not ask for help. My main has 40m+ SP and i do not fly capital ships.
There are more effective setups to do this sort of thing with, but I'm not posting those.
dont expect instant success.
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g0ggalor
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Posted - 2009.05.20 23:57:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Karma97731
Basically that bastard was only interested in killing me and my crew.
Glad you were able to figure that out.
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Amy Mouse
Intersteller Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.05.21 00:27:00 -
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for experience, i would suggest joining noob pirate corps like swiggwaffe or veto.
your fitting on those ships are absolutely horrific. you have lost the battle before even going in.
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Havohej
Minmatar
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.05.21 00:47:00 -
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/me gets trolled with the rest.
Look dude, having 3 accounts doesn't mean you have 3:1 odds going into any fight. It means that you're three times the noob. You've got no PvP experience, so you controlling three ships is just three easy targets instead of one.
You're doing it wrong. Either take a Rifter, run around solo in lowsec and learn to use your directional scanner and choose your targets wisely, or join a corp, take a Rifter, run around in lowsec with your corpmates (NOT your alts, bozo), learn to use your directional scanner and choose your targets wisely.
Good luck.
"You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
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Removal Tool
Eternal Perseverance
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Posted - 2009.05.21 01:49:00 -
[59]
Has anyone suggested that you get your feet wet in FW?
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CHED
Genos Occidere
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.21 02:01:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Amy Mouse
for experience, i would suggest joining noob pirate corps like swiggwaffe or veto.
Made me chuckle
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