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floggar
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Posted - 2009.05.21 05:42:00 -
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Ive seen people ask different questions on the forums about carriers and 9 times out of 10 we see the comments by the EVE elitists, something along the lines of "if you ask then your not ready to fly XX ship".
Can we just get a straight answer without the attitude?
If you can offer and insights or links to resources for flying carriers, or about carriers in general, im sure many would appreciate it.
I'll start...why is it I rarely see anyone flying the Wyvren?
Anyone bring carriers on lvl 5s?
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.05.21 06:06:00 -
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Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 21/05/2009 06:09:34
To answer your first question:
Because a Wyvern is a mothership or "supercarrier" which is extremely expensive to build, buy and fit properly. Also they cannot be docked at stations. That means you need to do one of three things:
1. Keep it at a player owned station belonging to you and hope it doesn't get stolen.
2. Be a part of a (large) 0.0 holding alliance that will protect it for you.
3. Buy an alt character or spend a year training one up that can fly the same class of mothership and sit in it when you log the alt off so the mothership leaves the game grid.
The very fact that you don't even know why there are so few Wyverns flying around means that you shouldn't be considering flying carriers. And asking for "answers without the attitude" infers that you're an older person who expects automatic respect. I can go further and postulate that you bought a pre-skilled character from another player with real life cash.
But that's just idle speculation. Nothing personal.
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Bloody Rabbit
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Posted - 2009.05.21 06:19:00 -
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Spend time supporting capital ships and you will learn how to fly and what it takes to fly capital ships.
That is the only point that you missed in your posting.
As for the supercap, people have them but for the most part don't log their alts that are flying them because Supercaps are targets for KM junkys. Only one ship currently can lock a supercap down but all the ships can bump it so that the carrier won't be going anywhere.
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HMSBlueprint
Gallente
Dark-Void
Carpe-Diem
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Posted - 2009.05.21 08:20:00 -
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question from someone who is a good 100 and something days from a carrier training wise:
why are there so few wyverns flying around, I have NEVER seen one
thanks
- HMSBlueprint
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Aaronm100
Killer Koalas
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.21 08:34:00 -
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 Originally by: HMSBlueprint
question from someone who is a good 100 and something days from a carrier training wise:
why are there so few wyverns flying around, I have NEVER seen one
thanks
- HMSBlueprint
Never? You should go to 0.0
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HMSBlueprint
Gallente
Dark-Void
Carpe-Diem
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Posted - 2009.05.21 09:13:00 -
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i do, but i hang around in the drone reigon in a little cluster of systems outside solar fleet where noone goes :P haha
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Yaggher Xanuben
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.05.21 14:20:00 -
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There actually are quite a few resources about carriers and other capital ships.
I'm gonna point you to one of them. Here
Wyvern, as already said, is not as much fun as it sounds. It kinda grows on you. You basically can't kill anything in it, but everyone and the rest wants to kill you.
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floggar
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Posted - 2009.05.21 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 21/05/2009 06:09:34
To answer your first question:
Because a Wyvern is a mothership or "supercarrier" which is extremely expensive to build, buy and fit properly. Also they cannot be docked at stations. That means you need to do one of three things:
1. Keep it at a player owned station belonging to you and hope it doesn't get stolen.
2. Be a part of a (large) 0.0 holding alliance that will protect it for you.
3. Buy an alt character or spend a year training one up that can fly the same class of mothership and sit in it when you log the alt off so the mothership leaves the game grid.
The very fact that you don't even know why there are so few Wyverns flying around means that you shouldn't be considering flying carriers. And asking for "answers without the attitude" infers that you're an older person who expects automatic respect. I can go further and postulate that you bought a pre-skilled character from another player with real life cash.
But that's just idle speculation. Nothing personal.
See, this attitude is exactly what I was talking about.
The very fact that im asking about wyverns means I am not ready to fly carrier? Thats one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
No it does not mean I am not ready to fly one, it simply means there is a question I have which I do not know the answer to.
You believe im a "older person"? Do you mean real age is in game age? Do I expect automatic respect? No I expect discussion about the topic i asked about without some cheeky responses bit the immature epeen wavers among us.
Im not an older person in RL, but if I was that would not make any difference. I am just tired of peoples elitist attitudes jumping out of almost every thread I read. Attitudes by people whom believe they are better than others. If you mean older ingame, Yes my main is older than you. I am the original owner. No, this is not my main, but this alt is probably older than your character, noob.
My main has been a member of several Major 0.0 alliances. I fought with the NC againstg trisurgency last summer. Even in 0.0 alliances carriers are relatively rare in fleet engagements. Yes, you see some bit not a lot and not in every engagement.
Infact, most of my corpmates and acquaintances in the alliance who had carriers never brought them into battles because they were prohibitively expensive and would not always reimbursed by the alliance. In my experience people mainly used them for logistics.
I have had my main trained up for a while t0o fly the chimera but never have gotten one. Now im thinking about getting one which is why I started the thread.
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Lukriss
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Posted - 2009.05.21 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: floggar
Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 21/05/2009 06:09:34
To answer your first question:
Because a Wyvern is a mothership or "supercarrier" which is extremely expensive to build, buy and fit properly. Also they cannot be docked at stations. That means you need to do one of three things:
1. Keep it at a player owned station belonging to you and hope it doesn't get stolen.
2. Be a part of a (large) 0.0 holding alliance that will protect it for you.
3. Buy an alt character or spend a year training one up that can fly the same class of mothership and sit in it when you log the alt off so the mothership leaves the game grid.
The very fact that you don't even know why there are so few Wyverns flying around means that you shouldn't be considering flying carriers. And asking for "answers without the attitude" infers that you're an older person who expects automatic respect. I can go further and postulate that you bought a pre-skilled character from another player with real life cash.
But that's just idle speculation. Nothing personal.
See, this attitude is exactly what I was talking about.
The very fact that im asking about wyverns means I am not ready to fly carrier? Thats one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
No it does not mean I am not ready to fly one, it simply means there is a question I have which I do not know the answer to.
You believe im a "older person"? Do you mean real age is in game age? Do I expect automatic respect? No I expect discussion about the topic i asked about without some cheeky responses bit the immature epeen wavers among us.
Im not an older person in RL, but if I was that would not make any difference. I am just tired of peoples elitist attitudes jumping out of almost every thread I read. Attitudes by people whom believe they are better than others. If you mean older ingame, Yes my main is older than you. I am the original owner. No, this is not my main, but this alt is probably older than your character, noob.
My main has been a member of several Major 0.0 alliances. I fought with the NC againstg trisurgency last summer. Even in 0.0 alliances carriers are relatively rare in fleet engagements. Yes, you see some bit not a lot and not in every engagement.
Infact, most of my corpmates and acquaintances in the alliance who had carriers never brought them into battles because they were prohibitively expensive and would not always reimbursed by the alliance. In my experience people mainly used them for logistics.
I have had my main trained up for a while t0o fly the chimera but never have gotten one. Now im thinking about getting one which is why I started the thread.
Doesn't it hurt when your pants are on fire?
Either that or you're very stupid, if you're telling the truth you really need a "thinking for yourself" course
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2009.05.21 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 21/05/2009 19:52:23
Try asking a real question instead of "CAN YOU TEACH ME EVERYTHING ABOUT CARRIERS OR POST A LINK THATL HOLD MY HAND."
Srsly, never been in a carrier and I know pretty much everything you can want to know about one, including why moms aren't sitting in belts or on stations for you to admire.
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Tex Shapiro
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Posted - 2009.05.21 19:58:00 -
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In the time taken to craft these oh-so-clever responses the OPs query could have been answered multiple times.
Who cares if he's ready or not? Why is it OK to be curious about any ship except for capitals? Acting superior without posting any knowledge of your own gives the impression of a posturing child...seriously.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2009.05.21 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tex Shapiro
In the time taken to craft these oh-so-clever responses the OPs query could have been answered multiple times.
Who cares if he's ready or not? Why is it OK to be curious about any ship except for capitals? Acting superior without posting any knowledge of your own gives the impression of a posturing child...seriously.
20 seconds to type a "wtflol?" post is a lot funner than spending an hour pouring my random carrier knowledge to a random person that is to lazy to explore it on his own, or ask the billions of players in his large 0.0 alliances that are in carriers "all the time" etc.
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Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Amarr
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2009.05.21 20:05:00 -
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Wow out of all this he got really one, maybe two true answers. TBH I agree with the OP that the value of a persons response is rather low. Im sure the people that wave theyre **** around online have a hard time doing so in RL. Way to go, you (the *******s) win one internet.
Sometimes this game ****es me off so bad, because the forums are here for help. Not trolls and little kids. Its either that or feel the people that are asking these questions are some how a threat to your game time. I dunno, and tbh I only respect those who actually take the time to read a post and think about it constructively. Also that gives facts over opinions. He just wanted to know why he rarely sees one. The has nothing to do ACTUALLY FLYING ONE! Also and other info about what type of tactics they use. Its not that ****ing hard to be nice and give a decent reply. Go find a bridge to live under you trolls. Matter of fact just go die under that bridge too.
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Tex Shapiro
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Posted - 2009.05.21 20:05:00 -
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This is a forum dedicated to the discussion of ships and modules is it not? Carriers are ships are they not?
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Ahz
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Posted - 2009.05.21 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: floggar
Questions...
Try playing around with caps on Sisi. Sometimes you can generate your own answers pretty quickly that way.
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Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Amarr
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2009.05.21 20:08:00 -
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Also you dumb ****in trolls need to read the title. it says RESOURCES, not like you know what that word mean.
And to the OP I would answer your question if I knew anything about carriers. It just people like this that **** me off.
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Interval
Priori Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.21 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: floggar
Ive seen people ask different questions on the forums about carriers and 9 times out of 10 we see the comments by the EVE elitists, something along the lines of "if you ask then your not ready to fly XX ship".
Can we just get a straight answer without the attitude?
If you can offer and insights or links to resources for flying carriers, or about carriers in general, im sure many would appreciate it.
I'll start...why is it I rarely see anyone flying the Wyvren?
Anyone bring carriers on lvl 5s?
The reason is that the question sounds stupid. When asking these questions substitute the word "Carrier" with "Battleship" or "Cruiser" and read the question again.
So why is it I rarely see anyone flying a Battleship?
Does anyone bring destroyers on lvl 5s?
How do those two questions sound to you?
As for insights on how to fly any ship. Simple. Study the show info and you should be able to think of something you want to do with it.
Play in eft with it.
Finally, fly it on the test server. That's how most people learned.
So finally to answer your last 2 questions.
You only rarely see anyone flying a wyvern because of multiple reasons which could apply to you. You don't live with an alliance that uses them much. You live with an alliance that values armor tanked capitals over shield tanked ones. You don't live with an alliance. You are unlucky and don't log on when all the cool wyvern pilots show their shiny ships in front of the station you are docked at.
Bringing carriers in a lvl 5 is inadvisable because they are easy to scan down and then killed. Some level 5s don't allow carriers. Some people don't feel confident they could protect their carrier if it was scanned down. Some people just can be bothered to keep on swapping ships and have a lvl 5 setup that works everywhere instead on only some missions only in lowsec.
Any other questions?
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Shardrael
Caldari
Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.05.21 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Shardrael on 21/05/2009 20:32:41
Originally by: floggar
RAGE!!!! i have teh experience now help me post
god aren't you touchy.
If you have to ask you arent ready to fly em. This is a true statement but because most new guys to caps dont know the reasoning behind the statement they get all butt hurt and start rageing.
1.) carriers are not a solo ship, to fly one around without help from other people at the very least requires two accounts so you can have a cyno alt(a character that opens cyno fields which are neccesary if you dont want to be confined to one system)
2.) carriers are not a solo ship, there are very few things except being used as a hauler that you can do with a carrier without having alliance level backup and many more carriers, and all things considered even using em as a hauler you should travel in large groups of carriers because...
3.) safety in numbers, anyone used to flying bs and below will think a carriers tank is incredible the first time they get in it and feel invincible, until they get trapped solo (see points 1 and 2) by a 10 man hac and recon gang and slowly killed off while being completely unable to do anything about it. welp there went your 1.2-1.5 bil investment.
4.) capital ships are a seperate game, there are so many rules specific to capital ships that have nothing to do with the rest of the game and not knowing about any of these special conditions at any point in time can lead to your death
5.) not all capitals are created equal, it is well known among cap pilots that there are two classes oc cap, caps and super caps with motherships and titans in the latter and dreads, carriers, rorqs, in the first with jump freighters somewhere in between. Because this is such basica knowledge to all cap pilots and most people in this game will never afford a supercap you will get laughed at for not knowing this and posting openly about it(eve is a harsh game filled with mean people, deal with it)
6.) caps are srious business, most alliances have quite a bit of security around their cap pilots and capital ships, while at the same time devoting a fair bit of their intel gathering abilities to monitoring enemy capital fleets etc. What this means is that if you meet the criteria to fly cap ships(and god if you are only at the basics to fly a chimera you arent even close) then the place to ask for information is from your alliance, not on eve o forums, if you are not in an alliance and want a carrier you need to seriously evaluate why you want one, there are uses outside of alliances for carriers but most people that have need of that type of duty already have experience with a carrier
so that brings us back to the original question, if you ask about carriers on here in any kind of general fashion, then you are not ready to fly them because you have violated one of the tennants of flying a cap ship.
that is that you have not asked in your own alliance or you do not have an alliance/corp to ask about it which means that bar any of the other things you need you dont have this.
so get all butthurt if you want but there is alot of truth in the statement.
edit: also all the people raging at those posters that know about carriers answering the way they are when they themselves cannot answer any of these questions is priceless.
go whiteknight somewhere else, maybe then the op can learn a thing or two
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Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Amarr
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2009.05.21 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shardrael
Edited by: Shardrael on 21/05/2009 20:32:41
Originally by: floggar
RAGE!!!! i have teh experience now help me post
god aren't you touchy.
If you have to ask you arent ready to fly em. This is a true statement but because most new guys to caps dont know the reasoning behind the statement they get all butt hurt and start rageing.
1.) carriers are not a solo ship, to fly one around without help from other people at the very least requires two accounts so you can have a cyno alt(a character that opens cyno fields which are neccesary if you dont want to be confined to one system)
2.) carriers are not a solo ship, there are very few things except being used as a hauler that you can do with a carrier without having alliance level backup and many more carriers, and all things considered even using em as a hauler you should travel in large groups of carriers because...
3.) safety in numbers, anyone used to flying bs and below will think a carriers tank is incredible the first time they get in it and feel invincible, until they get trapped solo (see points 1 and 2) by a 10 man hac and recon gang and slowly killed off while being completely unable to do anything about it. welp there went your 1.2-1.5 bil investment.
4.) capital ships are a seperate game, there are so many rules specific to capital ships that have nothing to do with the rest of the game and not knowing about any of these special conditions at any point in time can lead to your death
5.) not all capitals are created equal, it is well known among cap pilots that there are two classes oc cap, caps and super caps with motherships and titans in the latter and dreads, carriers, rorqs, in the first with jump freighters somewhere in between. Because this is such basica knowledge to all cap pilots and most people in this game will never afford a supercap you will get laughed at for not knowing this and posting openly about it(eve is a harsh game filled with mean people, deal with it)
6.) caps are srious business, most alliances have quite a bit of security around their cap pilots and capital ships, while at the same time devoting a fair bit of their intel gathering abilities to monitoring enemy capital fleets etc. What this means is that if you meet the criteria to fly cap ships(and god if you are only at the basics to fly a chimera you arent even close) then the place to ask for information is from your alliance, not on eve o forums, if you are not in an alliance and want a carrier you need to seriously evaluate why you want one, there are uses outside of alliances for carriers but most people that have need of that type of duty already have experience with a carrier
so that brings us back to the original question, if you ask about carriers on here in any kind of general fashion, then you are not ready to fly them because you have violated one of the tennants of flying a cap ship.
that is that you have not asked in your own alliance or you do not have an alliance/corp to ask about it which means that bar any of the other things you need you dont have this.
so get all butthurt if you want but there is alot of truth in the statement.
edit: also all the people raging at those posters that know about carriers answering the way they are when they themselves cannot answer any of these questions is priceless.
go whiteknight somewhere else, maybe then the op can learn a thing or two
Ok that may be a nicer response than most, but a question comes to mind. If no one will tell you about them, and your alliance wont tell you about them, and no one will let you fly one? Then how the **** are you supposed to know anything (tactics, fittings, etc) about the ship? If no one is willing to help then sit the **** down.
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Interval
Priori Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.21 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Interval on 21/05/2009 21:09:45
Originally by: Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Ok that may be a nicer response than most, but a question comes to mind. If no one will tell you about them, and your alliance wont tell you about them, and no one will let you fly one? Then how the **** are you supposed to know anything (tactics, fittings, etc) about the ship? If no one is willing to help then sit the **** down.
How did the first people that flew them learn? By your logic nobody should be flying them.
And the point being made is not that you will not get help but that you should be doing some homework first and learning what questions to ask.
Try something like this:
I'm thinking of flying a ______ in the role of _________.
I thought about fitting it like this __________.
What do you guys think?
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d'hofren
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.05.21 21:11:00 -
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tbh, you learn by rote. By flying in gangs that use caps. Analyse what happens and why.
1) why does an FC choose NOT deploy caps in a particular battle.
2) why do fleets organise in the way they do when caps are being used.
3) why do caps fit modules the way they do?
4) what ships does the FC want killed first
5) when were the caps brought in.
oh the other thing that will stand toy in good stead? be a cyno *****. It's like an apprenticeship.
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Traderboz
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Posted - 2009.05.21 21:28:00 -
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Quote:
Ok that may be a nicer response than most, but a question comes to mind. If no one will tell you about them, and your alliance wont tell you about them, and no one will let you fly one? Then how the **** are you supposed to know anything (tactics, fittings, etc) about the ship? If no one is willing to help then sit the **** down.
1. Get an alliance that doesn't suck. Many alliances are always looking for more capital pilots and will do all they can to help get you into one. Even if that's not the case with your alliance, if they refuse to answer any questions about a carrier or anything else (assuming you ask good questions and aren't just saying to them "Teach me everything about carriers!"), then they're either clueless and/or douchebags.
2. Don't just expect someone to do all the research for you, but search for yourself. I'll give you a hint - not long ago, there was a multi-page post on this forum entitled something like "All you need to know about a carrier" which included lots of information about... you guessed it, flying a carrier. Read that.
3. Carriers are moderately pricy and quite easy to get blown up if you're clueless, and so you should do your research before buying one. You're basically asking people who don't know you to recreate all the information that's out there regarding carriers (that you can't be bothered to look-up yourself). Is there any surprise they troll you instead?
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Diomidis
Amarr
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.21 21:34:00 -
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Carriers are capital-logistic ships...a bit of jacks of all trades...
Your main role, as bonuses suggest on most of them is RR - armor, shields or both...
Secondary Roles?
You might cap transfer a bit
You might move around friendly rigged/fitted ships a bit
You might add some DPS my assigning fighters / drones
You might bait a bit
Or you might fit it to spec in one of the above roles a bit more...
More local tank, more smartbombs, more neutralizers etc...
Moms are sized up carriers (in way)...in a BC/BS relation maybe. Main roles still focus on fleet support, and most ppl find this boring, just like Logistic ships.
So, focus on your logistic skills, train (max if you can) your Bassilisk and pair along with a friend in another Bassilisk.
Should you find basilisks boring, than forget about Moms and Carriers...all of these ships require RP dedication you might lack...
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2009.05.21 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: floggar
Infact, most of my corpmates and acquaintances in the alliance who had carriers never brought them into battles because they were prohibitively expensive and would not always reimbursed by the alliance. In my experience people mainly used them for logistics.
Because someone spends way too much time ratting/missioning with no real intention of using the ship for pvp. They train up max skills for that golem/cnr then think, whats next? I know! I'll train for a carrier so I can jump stuff to/from empire!
Carriers aren't that expensive. The issue is that many people buy them as t3 haulers with no intention of using them in pvp.
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Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Amarr
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2009.05.21 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Interval
Edited by: Interval on 21/05/2009 21:09:45
Originally by: Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Ok that may be a nicer response than most, but a question comes to mind. If no one will tell you about them, and your alliance wont tell you about them, and no one will let you fly one? Then how the **** are you supposed to know anything (tactics, fittings, etc) about the ship? If no one is willing to help then sit the **** down.
How did the first people that flew them learn? By your logic nobody should be flying them.
And the point being made is not that you will not get help but that you should be doing some homework first and learning what questions to ask.
Try something like this:
I'm thinking of flying a ______ in the role of _________.
I thought about fitting it like this __________.
What do you guys think?
Ok but think of it like this, when carriers first came out people wanted to fly them, but not everyone could. Either due to skills or a restrictive alliance. Im sure people were all sharing ideas at that time and explaining tactics and such. It seems now a days you have to know the handshake to even get a half assed repsonse about one. Whats funny is im starting to take most of the heat even though im not the OP.
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2. Don't just expect someone to do all the research for you, but search for yourself. I'll give you a hint - not long ago, there was a multi-page post on this forum entitled something like "All you need to know about a carrier" which included lots of information about... you guessed it, flying a carrier. Read that.
see now this is the type of post i wanted to hear. Just say this. mostly what the op was getting at was FINDING the RESOURCES which seem to be HARD TO FIND and NEED HELP FINDING. This has seemed to answer the question. And yes, to reduce search time just copy and paste what the title says and do a search page by page. I have no problem doing that, just need to know what to look for. And so far there has been this and some one linking something i didnt bother clicking on. It a general rule for me not too.
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Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Amarr
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2009.05.21 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Diomidis
Carriers are capital-logistic ships...a bit of jacks of all trades...
Your main role, as bonuses suggest on most of them is RR - armor, shields or both...
Secondary Roles?
You might cap transfer a bit
You might move around friendly rigged/fitted ships a bit
You might add some DPS my assigning fighters / drones
You might bait a bit
Or you might fit it to spec in one of the above roles a bit more...
More local tank, more smartbombs, more neutralizers etc...
Moms are sized up carriers (in way)...in a BC/BS relation maybe. Main roles still focus on fleet support, and most ppl find this boring, just like Logistic ships.
So, focus on your logistic skills, train (max if you can) your Bassilisk and pair along with a friend in another Bassilisk.
Should you find basilisks boring, than forget about Moms and Carriers...all of these ships require RP dedication you might lack...
THIS! Holy **** this!
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.21 22:05:00 -
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People aren't giving you attitude when they say "If you have to ask you're not ready to fly one". They're being 100% honest and upfront with you.
Capital ships are a big deal in all but the largest of alliances. Losing a carrier but taking down 5 command ships would be viewed as a loss by your alliance, it's just the mentality behind them (even if the CSs are worth more) Because of this, you're expected to know how to handle a carrier properly LONG before you get into one.
The idea is that if you've not been flying in enough gangs to understand how carriers work, you don't have the experience needed to fly one. If you don't know enough about the game to be able to figure out how to fit a carrier, you're not experienced enough to fly one. Putting you into a carrier is an accident waiting to happen.
I'll give you a real life example:
If you met someone who had never even seen a gun before, do you think it would be a good idea to hand them a gun and a booklet on how to use them? Odds are that even if they had the information in front of them, they'd end up shooting themselves simply because of a lack of background knowledge.
You need experience from a 3rd person point of view with flying carriers before you start getting first person experience. Fly with carriers for long enough and ALL of the questions that people insist on asking here on the forums will be answered via experience. |
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Posted - 2009.05.21 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: floggar
See, this attitude is exactly what I was talking about.
All it took was some offhand comments to get you in that high and mighty defensive mode. Well done, sir.
Originally by: floggar
You believe im a "older person"? Do you mean real age is in game age? Do I expect automatic respect? No I expect discussion about the topic i asked about without some cheeky responses bit the immature epeen wavers among us.
Well you're definitely british. That adds twenty years of stress to your biological age.
Originally by: floggar
Im not an older person in RL, but if I was that would not make any difference. I am just tired of peoples elitist attitudes jumping out of almost every thread I read. Attitudes by people whom believe they are better than others. If you mean older ingame, Yes my main is older than you. I am the original owner. No, this is not my main, but this alt is probably older than your character, noob.
Awww, you got all butthurt.
Originally by: floggar
My main has been a member of several Major 0.0 alliances. I fought with the NC againstg trisurgency last summer. Even in 0.0 alliances carriers are relatively rare in fleet engagements. Yes, you see some bit not a lot and not in every engagement.
Infact, most of my corpmates and acquaintances in the alliance who had carriers never brought them into battles because they were prohibitively expensive and would not always reimbursed by the alliance. In my experience people mainly used them for logistics.
I have had my main trained up for a while t0o fly the chimera but never have gotten one. Now im thinking about getting one which is why I started the thread.
So you've been a part of 0.0 alliances, politics, logistics, wars, etc.. and after all this time you still don't know how carriers are used or what the point of them is? Did you not ask your alliance for their input? Did you not ask vigorously enough when you didn't get the input you needed?
This is even sadder than you being a noob who bought a preskilled character. After all your time in 0.0, you admit to being utterly incompetent.
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Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Amarr
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2009.05.21 22:14:00 -
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it could also deal with peoples mindstates. If they had em but didnt use em, they must have been using them in unconvential ways. Also the OP could have felt it to be intrusive to hound some one for information since, as i understand it, alliances with cap fleets often have spies in them. the less people that know about them the better. hmm 1 point for me there.
also, to the post above me, reread the title before you post a flame. hes asking mainly for resources to where he can look this **** up. i even admit 'finding' something on these forums can be a bit tedious, it jsut helps being pointed in the right direction. ya dig? maybe not. then again im not a forum troll
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Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Amarr
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2009.05.21 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Shandlanos Kalashnikov on 21/05/2009 22:17:58
Originally by: Cambarus
People aren't giving you attitude when they say "If you have to ask you're not ready to fly one". They're being 100% honest and upfront with you.
Capital ships are a big deal in all but the largest of alliances. Losing a carrier but taking down 5 command ships would be viewed as a loss by your alliance, it's just the mentality behind them (even if the CSs are worth more) Because of this, you're expected to know how to handle a carrier properly LONG before you get into one.
The idea is that if you've not been flying in enough gangs to understand how carriers work, you don't have the experience needed to fly one. If you don't know enough about the game to be able to figure out how to fit a carrier, you're not experienced enough to fly one. Putting you into a carrier is an accident waiting to happen.
I'll give you a real life example:
If you met someone who had never even seen a gun before, do you think it would be a good idea to hand them a gun and a booklet on how to use them? Odds are that even if they had the information in front of them, they'd end up shooting themselves simply because of a lack of background knowledge.
You need experience from a 3rd person point of view with flying carriers before you start getting first person experience. Fly with carriers for long enough and ALL of the questions that people insist on asking here on the forums will be answered via experience.
May i reccomend looking at the thread above you and also find that 'Everything you neededf to know about carriers' thread. i swear this thread is just about flaming now.
Also i dont know **** about guns, but i do know not to point it at my face. it could be because i play fps or because i have common knowledge about guns. enough to know if i have a gun in front of me and book that tells me ALL about the gun I can be as prepared as i can get with out actually fireing it.
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