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Moto Celentis
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Posted - 2004.09.08 18:35:00 -
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I found a great post from Oron about this topic.
I think he is right all the way.
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First: The power of the logistics are the range. Secound: They are tactical vessles, so only calculating one of them do not fit.
Think about 3 logistics 50km behind the your longe range Battleships, and think about 1 or 2 more logistic 50km behind the first 3.
If your long Range BS are placed well your enemy long range forces can not shoot at the logistics from thier palce, while the tanking ability of your BS are increased.
Sure they will be some fast frigs & cruisers send out to destroy the logistics, but becouse the first row get healt by the secound its not realy easy. Especialy if you give some esorts to the logistics.
The enemy longe range BSs cannot get close enoth to the logistics without run in your close range BSs.
Well its all theorie But if you more and more logitics you will be able to establish a repairing network and your enemy do not know with logistic must shoot first to break the chains of repairing
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see you outa space
Oron - Deep Space Services [00-S]
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Now, if you want to go and blow up some rats, just line up your BS and go. If you want to play some fleet warfare, then you will probably need this type of ship.. Just a suggestion... 
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Moto Celentis
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Posted - 2004.09.08 18:35:00 -
[62]
I found a great post from Oron about this topic.
I think he is right all the way.
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First: The power of the logistics are the range. Secound: They are tactical vessles, so only calculating one of them do not fit.
Think about 3 logistics 50km behind the your longe range Battleships, and think about 1 or 2 more logistic 50km behind the first 3.
If your long Range BS are placed well your enemy long range forces can not shoot at the logistics from thier palce, while the tanking ability of your BS are increased.
Sure they will be some fast frigs & cruisers send out to destroy the logistics, but becouse the first row get healt by the secound its not realy easy. Especialy if you give some esorts to the logistics.
The enemy longe range BSs cannot get close enoth to the logistics without run in your close range BSs.
Well its all theorie But if you more and more logitics you will be able to establish a repairing network and your enemy do not know with logistic must shoot first to break the chains of repairing
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see you outa space
Oron - Deep Space Services [00-S]
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Now, if you want to go and blow up some rats, just line up your BS and go. If you want to play some fleet warfare, then you will probably need this type of ship.. Just a suggestion...
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Moto Celentis
I found a great post from Oron about this topic.
I think he is right all the way.
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First: The power of the logistics are the range. Secound: They are tactical vessles, so only calculating one of them do not fit.
Think about 3 logistics 50km behind the your longe range Battleships, and think about 1 or 2 more logistic 50km behind the first 3.
If your long Range BS are placed well your enemy long range forces can not shoot at the logistics from thier palce, while the tanking ability of your BS are increased.
Sure they will be some fast frigs & cruisers send out to destroy the logistics, but becouse the first row get healt by the secound its not realy easy. Especialy if you give some esorts to the logistics.
The enemy longe range BSs cannot get close enoth to the logistics without run in your close range BSs.
Well its all theorie But if you more and more logitics you will be able to establish a repairing network and your enemy do not know with logistic must shoot first to break the chains of repairing
Lol nice theory.
But if you have those 10 pilots needed for the support cruiser in battleships you'll simply win the battle.
While only risking 50% or so of the isk :P
You're dreaming dude.
Support Cruisers suck because their tech2. That their main problem.
If their tech2 they should at least have really high resistance, more hp and maybe be a bit slower.
As they are they suck. |
Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:00:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Moto Celentis
I found a great post from Oron about this topic.
I think he is right all the way.
-------------------------------------------------------
First: The power of the logistics are the range. Secound: They are tactical vessles, so only calculating one of them do not fit.
Think about 3 logistics 50km behind the your longe range Battleships, and think about 1 or 2 more logistic 50km behind the first 3.
If your long Range BS are placed well your enemy long range forces can not shoot at the logistics from thier palce, while the tanking ability of your BS are increased.
Sure they will be some fast frigs & cruisers send out to destroy the logistics, but becouse the first row get healt by the secound its not realy easy. Especialy if you give some esorts to the logistics.
The enemy longe range BSs cannot get close enoth to the logistics without run in your close range BSs.
Well its all theorie But if you more and more logitics you will be able to establish a repairing network and your enemy do not know with logistic must shoot first to break the chains of repairing
Lol nice theory.
But if you have those 10 pilots needed for the support cruiser in battleships you'll simply win the battle.
While only risking 50% or so of the isk :P
You're dreaming dude.
Support Cruisers suck because their tech2. That their main problem.
If their tech2 they should at least have really high resistance, more hp and maybe be a bit slower.
As they are they suck. |
LifeDeath
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:02:00 -
[65]
sign me up.. 65 mil
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LifeDeath
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:02:00 -
[66]
sign me up.. 65 mil
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Fist OfTheNorthStar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:13:00 -
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Arthur, I think you are too stuck with the old way of thinking and you dont think of the evolution of the game. The Support Cruiser is much more resilient of any cruisers in the game. For instance, the hull is 1/3 of a standard BS. Also, consider the battle mechanics.. which player is going to put his ship at risk to heal you close at 7.5km? When you have dedicated roles, you have players that are commited to perform that role. The "healers" will do just that because that is their roles.
and btw.. I will get one.. 70 mil 
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Fist OfTheNorthStar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:13:00 -
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Arthur, I think you are too stuck with the old way of thinking and you dont think of the evolution of the game. The Support Cruiser is much more resilient of any cruisers in the game. For instance, the hull is 1/3 of a standard BS. Also, consider the battle mechanics.. which player is going to put his ship at risk to heal you close at 7.5km? When you have dedicated roles, you have players that are commited to perform that role. The "healers" will do just that because that is their roles.
and btw.. I will get one.. 70 mil
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Final Fantasy
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:17:00 -
[69]
75 mil
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Final Fantasy
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:17:00 -
[70]
75 mil
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Arthur Guinness on 08/09/2004 19:42:41
Edited by: Arthur Guinness on 08/09/2004 19:38:03
Originally by: Fist OfTheNorthStar
Arthur, I think you are too stuck with the old way of thinking and you dont think of the evolution of the game. The Support Cruiser is much more resilient of any cruisers in the game. For instance, the hull is 1/3 of a standard BS. Also, consider the battle mechanics.. which player is going to put his ship at risk to heal you close at 7.5km? When you have dedicated roles, you have players that are commited to perform that role. The "healers" will do just that because that is their roles.
and btw.. I will get one.. 70 mil
Well you see, if you think you can have those support cruisers behind the battle lines, SAFE then you seem like a fool to me.
Or you have never fought an enemy gang with a decent commander.
There's tactics like sending in a frig or two and have some bs warp to them, they'll pwn the support cruisers.
Yes that's about 5 ships missing in your enemies main force, so you might kill a bs or two in the mean time, let's do the math:
You lost 5 support cruisers 300mil
Enemies lost 2 BS 60mil
Ok now please again, how do you plan on using them in PvP, vs enemies with brains?
They will most likely be nice for npc, but even there we can use normal bs with support modules, works really nice.
Edit: As i don't want to hijack this thread for discussion wether this ship is wasted db space or not, let's discuss it here
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Arthur Guinness on 08/09/2004 19:42:41
Edited by: Arthur Guinness on 08/09/2004 19:38:03
Originally by: Fist OfTheNorthStar
Arthur, I think you are too stuck with the old way of thinking and you dont think of the evolution of the game. The Support Cruiser is much more resilient of any cruisers in the game. For instance, the hull is 1/3 of a standard BS. Also, consider the battle mechanics.. which player is going to put his ship at risk to heal you close at 7.5km? When you have dedicated roles, you have players that are commited to perform that role. The "healers" will do just that because that is their roles.
and btw.. I will get one.. 70 mil
Well you see, if you think you can have those support cruisers behind the battle lines, SAFE then you seem like a fool to me.
Or you have never fought an enemy gang with a decent commander.
There's tactics like sending in a frig or two and have some bs warp to them, they'll pwn the support cruisers.
Yes that's about 5 ships missing in your enemies main force, so you might kill a bs or two in the mean time, let's do the math:
You lost 5 support cruisers 300mil
Enemies lost 2 BS 60mil
Ok now please again, how do you plan on using them in PvP, vs enemies with brains?
They will most likely be nice for npc, but even there we can use normal bs with support modules, works really nice.
Edit: As i don't want to hijack this thread for discussion wether this ship is wasted db space or not, let's discuss it here
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Fist OfTheNorthStar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:24:00 -
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I forgot to mention I belive this ship will provide indespensable healing support of all those teams running mining ops in 0.0 with a station many systems away.
(do you rather have your indy(ies) with an armor repairer or have an extra cargo extentender?)
75 mil.
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Fist OfTheNorthStar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:24:00 -
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I forgot to mention I belive this ship will provide indespensable healing support of all those teams running mining ops in 0.0 with a station many systems away.
(do you rather have your indy(ies) with an armor repairer or have an extra cargo extentender?)
75 mil.
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Dark Eve
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:41:00 -
[75]
I will post my bid, which is 80 mil.
I trust CCP to have designed a fair system to improve the gameplay and each new additions fit into the big schema of things.
Given the training skill book for logistic is on the market for 27 mi and the training requirements are high, there has to be something in this new goup of ship that will give more considerable tactical advantage. I will let you know once I have figured out myself...
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Dark Eve
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:41:00 -
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I will post my bid, which is 80 mil.
I trust CCP to have designed a fair system to improve the gameplay and each new additions fit into the big schema of things.
Given the training skill book for logistic is on the market for 27 mi and the training requirements are high, there has to be something in this new goup of ship that will give more considerable tactical advantage. I will let you know once I have figured out myself...
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Fist OfTheNorthStar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:50:00 -
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85 mil.
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Fist OfTheNorthStar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:50:00 -
[78]
85 mil.
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Final Fantasy
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:06:00 -
[79]
put me down for one please. 90 Mil.
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Final Fantasy
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:06:00 -
[80]
put me down for one please. 90 Mil.
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Fist OfTheNorthStar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:12:00 -
[81]
I match the bid. 90 mil.
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Fist OfTheNorthStar
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:12:00 -
[82]
I match the bid. 90 mil.
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Marylin Toore
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:18:00 -
[83]
ouch. I'll take one to for 90 mil. 
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Marylin Toore
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:18:00 -
[84]
ouch. I'll take one to for 90 mil.
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Dark Eve
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:23:00 -
[85]
uhmm..   90 mil.
What is the manifacturing time?.. I heard those ships are going to take forever to build and with few BPOs around..
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Dark Eve
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:23:00 -
[86]
uhmm.. 90 mil.
What is the manifacturing time?.. I heard those ships are going to take forever to build and with few BPOs around..
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Jenna Labosh
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:33:00 -
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any BYOC deal(s) possible? I might be interested in 3-4 BPC.. if that is not available.. I will take 1 for testing.
I offer 80 Mil.
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Jenna Labosh
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:33:00 -
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any BYOC deal(s) possible? I might be interested in 3-4 BPC.. if that is not available.. I will take 1 for testing.
I offer 80 Mil.
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Moto Celentis
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:57:00 -
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I might be interested to buy 4 of those ships not higher then 90 mil.
Let me know if you are interested and how long that will take for the order to be delivered.
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Moto Celentis
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:57:00 -
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I might be interested to buy 4 of those ships not higher then 90 mil.
Let me know if you are interested and how long that will take for the order to be delivered.
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