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Tion	Posted - 2004.09.08 06:38:00 - [1] Edited by: Tion on 08/09/2004 18:32:09 Edited by: Tion on 08/09/2004 06:39:57 Hello everyone! I am very happy to be the first to offer you this new amazing ship! The Oneiros: Hull: Exequror Class Role: Support Cruiser Designed specifically as an armor augmenter, the Oneiros provides added defensive muscle to fighters on the front lines. Additionally, its own formidable defenses make it a tough nut to *****. Breaking through a formation supported by an Oneiros is no mean feat. Skills: Gallente Cruiser level: V Gallente Frigate Level: IV Spaceship Command Level: III Logistics Level: I Long Range Targeting level: V Electronics Level: II Signature Analysis Level: V Attributes: Structure: 1625 Drone Cap: 0m3 max Velocity: 200m/s Armor: 1020 Armor EM Dmg Resistance: 60% Armor Explosive Dmg Resistance: 10% Armor Kinetic Dmg Resistance: 45% Armor Thermal Dmg Resistance: 45% Shield: 765 Shield Recharge Rate: 1000.00sec Shield Explosive Dmg Resistance: 60% Kinetic Damage Resistance: 50% Shield Thermal Dmg Resistance: 25% Capacitor: 1000 Recharge Rate: 285.00sec Maximum Targeting Range: 45,000 Max Locked Targets: 10 Scan Resolution: 365 mm Megnetometric Sensor Strength: 8 points Signature Radius: 80m Fitting: CPU: 250 PowerGrid:625 Low: 3 Med: 4 Hi slots: 4 All Stats are base, search on market for complete info on the ship. This is the first to be available in ALL of eve. Need a little extra punch to camp your gate? Want so show off your cool new ship? This ship is very hard to make! And this is the only BPO in the game! Biding will start at 60mil, bid increments of 5mil only please. post your Bids here. I am a 3rd party, helping to sell it for the owner. The winner will be eve-mailed with the station and system for pick up. Good Luck! Forums = B!tching Don't be a fool and die for your corp! Let the other sonofab!tch die for his!
Tion	Posted - 2004.09.08 06:38:00 - [2] Edited by: Tion on 08/09/2004 18:32:09 Edited by: Tion on 08/09/2004 06:39:57 Hello everyone! I am very happy to be the first to offer you this new amazing ship! The Oneiros: Hull: Exequror Class Role: Support Cruiser Designed specifically as an armor augmenter, the Oneiros provides added defensive muscle to fighters on the front lines. Additionally, its own formidable defenses make it a tough nut to *****. Breaking through a formation supported by an Oneiros is no mean feat. Skills: Gallente Cruiser level: V Gallente Frigate Level: IV Spaceship Command Level: III Logistics Level: I Long Range Targeting level: V Electronics Level: II Signature Analysis Level: V Attributes: Structure: 1625 Drone Cap: 0m3 max Velocity: 200m/s Armor: 1020 Armor EM Dmg Resistance: 60% Armor Explosive Dmg Resistance: 10% Armor Kinetic Dmg Resistance: 45% Armor Thermal Dmg Resistance: 45% Shield: 765 Shield Recharge Rate: 1000.00sec Shield Explosive Dmg Resistance: 60% Kinetic Damage Resistance: 50% Shield Thermal Dmg Resistance: 25% Capacitor: 1000 Recharge Rate: 285.00sec Maximum Targeting Range: 45,000 Max Locked Targets: 10 Scan Resolution: 365 mm Megnetometric Sensor Strength: 8 points Signature Radius: 80m Fitting: CPU: 250 PowerGrid:625 Low: 3 Med: 4 Hi slots: 4 All Stats are base, search on market for complete info on the ship. This is the first to be available in ALL of eve. Need a little extra punch to camp your gate? Want so show off your cool new ship? This ship is very hard to make! And this is the only BPO in the game! Biding will start at 60mil, bid increments of 5mil only please. post your Bids here. I am a 3rd party, helping to sell it for the owner. The winner will be eve-mailed with the station and system for pick up. Good Luck! Forums = B!tching Don't be a fool and die for your corp! Let the other sonofab!tch die for his!
ChaosOne	Posted - 2004.09.08 07:50:00 - [3] lmao 100mil, id rather buy a scorp and use that as the remote armour repairer i think, least youd get a bit of insurance back if you die and be able to fit more defences on it. not to mention youd be 30 mil better off. good luck on seling them
ChaosOne	Posted - 2004.09.08 07:50:00 - [4] lmao 100mil, id rather buy a scorp and use that as the remote armour repairer i think, least youd get a bit of insurance back if you die and be able to fit more defences on it. not to mention youd be 30 mil better off. good luck on seling them
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.09.08 08:00:00 - [5] Quote: its own formidable defenses Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.09.08 08:00:00 - [6] Quote: its own formidable defenses Pain is meant to be felt
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2004.09.08 08:43:00 - [7] cmon ppl, let's not flame this auction of this amazing ship. I always make the same comment on every single bp selling for lots of millions it's first run: "Don't complain, just bid or just pray you had one". Over here, I'll just pray :) My congrats to the owner of this fine bpo. I've never seen you in t2 production my friend, is this your first bp? Also in order to avoid re-posting to this thread (and this littering this auction) I'll validate the answer Tion will give to the question I see coming (as always): Yes, this ship HAS huge building requirements and building time. It requires ~day to build and if I remember correctly building materials cost over 50m.
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2004.09.08 08:43:00 - [8] cmon ppl, let's not flame this auction of this amazing ship. I always make the same comment on every single bp selling for lots of millions it's first run: "Don't complain, just bid or just pray you had one". Over here, I'll just pray :) My congrats to the owner of this fine bpo. I've never seen you in t2 production my friend, is this your first bp? Also in order to avoid re-posting to this thread (and this littering this auction) I'll validate the answer Tion will give to the question I see coming (as always): Yes, this ship HAS huge building requirements and building time. It requires ~day to build and if I remember correctly building materials cost over 50m.
Gungankllr	Posted - 2004.09.08 08:53:00 - [9] Edited by: Gungankllr on 08/09/2004 08:55:14 Alt bumpage makes me happy www.hadean.org
Gungankllr	Posted - 2004.09.08 08:53:00 - [10] Edited by: Gungankllr on 08/09/2004 08:55:14 Alt bumpage makes me happy www.hadean.org
ricko mortis	Posted - 2004.09.08 09:01:00 - [11] inties at 10 million, assault ships at 30 million and now someone is trying to sell a cruiser that can carry no guns/missiles/drones for 100 million at least with the first two you can at least have some fun but this thing is a heap of junk, who in the right mind is going to fly one of these in battle. Personnally would be surprised if anyone paid more than 10 million.
ricko mortis	Posted - 2004.09.08 09:01:00 - [12] inties at 10 million, assault ships at 30 million and now someone is trying to sell a cruiser that can carry no guns/missiles/drones for 100 million at least with the first two you can at least have some fun but this thing is a heap of junk, who in the right mind is going to fly one of these in battle. Personnally would be surprised if anyone paid more than 10 million.
Endour	Posted - 2004.09.08 10:59:00 - [13] You may want to write in the bonuses it gets to remote armor repair modules. Should make most critics think twice Definately would'nt mind such a ship as back-up in a fleet engagement.
Endour	Posted - 2004.09.08 10:59:00 - [14] You may want to write in the bonuses it gets to remote armor repair modules. Should make most critics think twice Definately would'nt mind such a ship as back-up in a fleet engagement.
Phasics	Posted - 2004.09.08 11:30:00 - [15] Shakes head and this is why these ships should have been tech I even with 750% range bonus to remote armor rep its still crud. Think about it you can repo from 57km away but teh frist inty to see what your doing will jet to scram u and have his mates toast u. sad things is that recrahge rate is only maringally better than average and it dosent ahve to grid to make it that much better. I'd pay 8mil for it as a tech I ship, no more kinda sad though there a really good idea for a ship but they arent going to ever make it into PvP when uc ant insure 90% of teh ships cost
Phasics	Posted - 2004.09.08 11:30:00 - [16] Shakes head and this is why these ships should have been tech I even with 750% range bonus to remote armor rep its still crud. Think about it you can repo from 57km away but teh frist inty to see what your doing will jet to scram u and have his mates toast u. sad things is that recrahge rate is only maringally better than average and it dosent ahve to grid to make it that much better. I'd pay 8mil for it as a tech I ship, no more kinda sad though there a really good idea for a ship but they arent going to ever make it into PvP when uc ant insure 90% of teh ships cost
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.09.08 11:50:00 - [17] Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 08/09/2004 12:02:49 Originally by: Endour You may want to write in the bonuses it gets to remote armor repair modules. Should make most critics think twice Definately would'nt mind such a ship as back-up in a fleet engagement. Of course you wouldn't mind having it as back up. I wouldn't mind having an idiot who paid 100 million back-ing my ass up, it's not my 100 million he spent, and it's not my 100 million that are going to go down the drain once this baby gets targetted by the first BS. Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.09.08 11:50:00 - [18] Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 08/09/2004 12:02:49 Originally by: Endour You may want to write in the bonuses it gets to remote armor repair modules. Should make most critics think twice Definately would'nt mind such a ship as back-up in a fleet engagement. Of course you wouldn't mind having it as back up. I wouldn't mind having an idiot who paid 100 million back-ing my ass up, it's not my 100 million he spent, and it's not my 100 million that are going to go down the drain once this baby gets targetted by the first BS. Pain is meant to be felt
Cilia Sun	Posted - 2004.09.08 12:44:00 - [19] Another over-priced "T2" ship It's only real usefulness right now aside from bling-bling value is having it wait in the hanger while you (in most cases) spend a month finishing of the skills to fly it. Guess we know who the real "pirates" are in EVE now
Cilia Sun	Posted - 2004.09.08 12:44:00 - [20] Another over-priced "T2" ship It's only real usefulness right now aside from bling-bling value is having it wait in the hanger while you (in most cases) spend a month finishing of the skills to fly it. Guess we know who the real "pirates" are in EVE now
Altarra	Posted - 2004.09.08 12:54:00 - [21] Hmmm... If I'm correct the building cost of these kind of ships are very high. I've made a quick calculation and it takes about 40 to 45 mil in material costs to build a support cruiser. So a 100 million may be a little steep, but hey, if someone is crazy enough... I think 55 to 60 mil would be a nice price. But I'm not the one with the Oneiros BPO
Altarra	Posted - 2004.09.08 12:54:00 - [22] Hmmm... If I'm correct the building cost of these kind of ships are very high. I've made a quick calculation and it takes about 40 to 45 mil in material costs to build a support cruiser. So a 100 million may be a little steep, but hey, if someone is crazy enough... I think 55 to 60 mil would be a nice price. But I'm not the one with the Oneiros BPO
Cilia Sun	Posted - 2004.09.08 13:04:00 - [23] If the production takes long and needs so much of materials then the fault lies with either CCP for the design or on those that sell T2-compentents at high prices. Lets just sit back and see how this plays out.
Cilia Sun	Posted - 2004.09.08 13:04:00 - [24] If the production takes long and needs so much of materials then the fault lies with either CCP for the design or on those that sell T2-compentents at high prices. Lets just sit back and see how this plays out.
snutt	Posted - 2004.09.08 13:15:00 - [25] If this ship costs 40 mill to build i can't even imagine how much the rest of all ships will be. This is retarded. This is going to be the sole purpose of why this new "t2" **** with ships will be a major fukup. NO ONE WILL BUY A OVERPRICED POS SHIP WHEN THERE IS ALREADY EXISTING ONES THAT CAN DO THE SAME THING FOR A FRACTION OF THE COST. No wonder t2 stuff is so screwed up . Mess with the best, die like the rest Real men structure tank
snutt	Posted - 2004.09.08 13:15:00 - [26] If this ship costs 40 mill to build i can't even imagine how much the rest of all ships will be. This is retarded. This is going to be the sole purpose of why this new "t2" **** with ships will be a major fukup. NO ONE WILL BUY A OVERPRICED POS SHIP WHEN THERE IS ALREADY EXISTING ONES THAT CAN DO THE SAME THING FOR A FRACTION OF THE COST. No wonder t2 stuff is so screwed up . Mess with the best, die like the rest Real men structure tank
Janters	Posted - 2004.09.08 14:07:00 - [27] "And this is the only BPO in the game!" Eh Naga announced they had the BPO 2 days ago
Janters	Posted - 2004.09.08 14:07:00 - [28] "And this is the only BPO in the game!" Eh Naga announced they had the BPO 2 days ago
olyyy	Posted - 2004.09.08 14:46:00 - [29] CCP is stupid to make those ships cost so much to build I mean who the hell is gonna buy such a piece of junk for so much ? Remote stuff got nerfed like hell to make those cruisers interresting but still, if i see one of those it would be the first thing I would fire at... So paying 100M for a ship that will be a priority target... Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
olyyy	Posted - 2004.09.08 14:46:00 - [30] CCP is stupid to make those ships cost so much to build I mean who the hell is gonna buy such a piece of junk for so much ? Remote stuff got nerfed like hell to make those cruisers interresting but still, if i see one of those it would be the first thing I would fire at... So paying 100M for a ship that will be a priority target... Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
Nafri	Posted - 2004.09.08 15:14:00 - [31] hihi i wasnt so wrong with me prediction of about 120mio for that ship Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.09.08 15:14:00 - [32] hihi i wasnt so wrong with me prediction of about 120mio for that ship Wanna fly with me?
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.09.08 15:25:00 - [33] Post the BPO Images...all the pages...Let people see the actuall cost to Build Then, you can try and "milk" the cow for the first person selling a Suport Ship. On, a side note, yeah CCP is being stupid to release MORE T2 ships without fixing the T2 Comp. Market first, in some shape fashion or form...just my opinion.... At least, Mining Barges, Battle Cruisers, and Destroyers are T1.
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.09.08 15:25:00 - [34] Post the BPO Images...all the pages...Let people see the actuall cost to Build Then, you can try and "milk" the cow for the first person selling a Suport Ship. On, a side note, yeah CCP is being stupid to release MORE T2 ships without fixing the T2 Comp. Market first, in some shape fashion or form...just my opinion.... At least, Mining Barges, Battle Cruisers, and Destroyers are T1.
Tion	Posted - 2004.09.08 15:49:00 - [35] I'm sorry but I've seen people pay 40mil for a frigit, 100mil is a logical price increase. You want to be the first one to get it, the first one to fly it... Getting the massive pile of components needed is not easy. On the other hand, if your not biding, plz cry about how bad tech 2 is on a diff post. Forums = B!tching Don't be a fool and die for your corp! Let the other sonofab!tch die for his!
Tion	Posted - 2004.09.08 15:49:00 - [36] I'm sorry but I've seen people pay 40mil for a frigit, 100mil is a logical price increase. You want to be the first one to get it, the first one to fly it... Getting the massive pile of components needed is not easy. On the other hand, if your not biding, plz cry about how bad tech 2 is on a diff post. Forums = B!tching Don't be a fool and die for your corp! Let the other sonofab!tch die for his!
Tion	Posted - 2004.09.08 15:50:00 - [37] Originally by: ChaosOne lmao 100mil, id rather buy a scorp and use that as the remote armour repairer i think, least youd get a bit of insurance back if you die and be able to fit more defences on it. not to mention youd be 30 mil better off. good luck on seling them Maybe you should look at the stats of the ship befor you go spouting off. This thip his much better at that then the scorp. Forums = B!tching Don't be a fool and die for your corp! Let the other sonofab!tch die for his!
Tion	Posted - 2004.09.08 15:50:00 - [38] Originally by: ChaosOne lmao 100mil, id rather buy a scorp and use that as the remote armour repairer i think, least youd get a bit of insurance back if you die and be able to fit more defences on it. not to mention youd be 30 mil better off. good luck on seling them Maybe you should look at the stats of the ship befor you go spouting off. This thip his much better at that then the scorp. Forums = B!tching Don't be a fool and die for your corp! Let the other sonofab!tch die for his!
Xtreem	Posted - 2004.09.08 15:58:00 - [39] u r right.. it is better at remote rep and whats its meant to do... but for that price, u could buy another tier 1 bs and equip it with standard stuff... why have 2 support cruisers when u can have 2 more bs's? deal them the damage so u dont get it... i would choose another bs myself lol these will be good things if 1. there was not such a huge mark up on this bpo.. 2. if ccp made the prouction req's 1/10th what they are now, i would not buy this ship unless it was LESS than a current tech 1 cruisers as it ****
Xtreem	Posted - 2004.09.08 15:58:00 - [40] u r right.. it is better at remote rep and whats its meant to do... but for that price, u could buy another tier 1 bs and equip it with standard stuff... why have 2 support cruisers when u can have 2 more bs's? deal them the damage so u dont get it... i would choose another bs myself lol these will be good things if 1. there was not such a huge mark up on this bpo.. 2. if ccp made the prouction req's 1/10th what they are now, i would not buy this ship unless it was LESS than a current tech 1 cruisers as it ****
Altarra	Posted - 2004.09.08 16:03:00 - [41] Edited by: Altarra on 08/09/2004 16:19:10 Edited by: Altarra on 08/09/2004 16:18:27 Originally by: Vigilant Post the BPO Images...all the pages...Let people see the actuall cost to Build Then, you can try and "milk" the cow for the first person selling a Suport Ship. On, a side note, yeah CCP is being stupid to release MORE T2 ships without fixing the T2 Comp. Market first, in some shape fashion or form...just my opinion.... At least, Mining Barges, Battle Cruisers, and Destroyers are T1. If he posted the images, all kinds of scammers could copy them and use them to pose as legitimate sellers of the Oneiros... Not an imaginairy threat, there are at least 3 individuals who claim to be able to sell the Oneiros on the forums here and at eve-i.com. I dont know the material requirements of the Oneiros, but am somewhat familiar with the requirements of the Basilisk: Mexallon3.601 Nocxium 2.066 Zydrine 34 Construction blocks55 Gravimetric sensor cluster165 Graviton reactor unit110 Quantum microprocessor220 Scalar capacitator Unit275 Sustained shield emitter 110 Trimorphite armor plate110 Ram starship tech15% per run 1 Osprey This is of course unresearched. So you see, for the builder the main killer are the 110 graviton reactor units... They cost about 220.000 isk if you are lucky....
Altarra	Posted - 2004.09.08 16:03:00 - [42] Edited by: Altarra on 08/09/2004 16:19:10 Edited by: Altarra on 08/09/2004 16:18:27 Originally by: Vigilant Post the BPO Images...all the pages...Let people see the actuall cost to Build Then, you can try and "milk" the cow for the first person selling a Suport Ship. On, a side note, yeah CCP is being stupid to release MORE T2 ships without fixing the T2 Comp. Market first, in some shape fashion or form...just my opinion.... At least, Mining Barges, Battle Cruisers, and Destroyers are T1. If he posted the images, all kinds of scammers could copy them and use them to pose as legitimate sellers of the Oneiros... Not an imaginairy threat, there are at least 3 individuals who claim to be able to sell the Oneiros on the forums here and at eve-i.com. I dont know the material requirements of the Oneiros, but am somewhat familiar with the requirements of the Basilisk: Mexallon3.601 Nocxium 2.066 Zydrine 34 Construction blocks55 Gravimetric sensor cluster165 Graviton reactor unit110 Quantum microprocessor220 Scalar capacitator Unit275 Sustained shield emitter 110 Trimorphite armor plate110 Ram starship tech15% per run 1 Osprey This is of course unresearched. So you see, for the builder the main killer are the 110 graviton reactor units... They cost about 220.000 isk if you are lucky....
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2004.09.08 16:11:00 - [43] Hah, funniest thing ever. Seller tries to******customers with ridiculous overblown prices, and is offended when they turn on him.
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2004.09.08 16:11:00 - [44] Hah, funniest thing ever. Seller tries to******customers with ridiculous overblown prices, and is offended when they turn on him.
LOLZ	Posted - 2004.09.08 16:59:00 - [45] in a large fleet battle by time someone in one of these cruisers has managed to find the friendly under fire on the scanner and lock him ,hes probably dead before you even get a chance to start remote armor repairing the guy
LOLZ	Posted - 2004.09.08 16:59:00 - [46] in a large fleet battle by time someone in one of these cruisers has managed to find the friendly under fire on the scanner and lock him ,hes probably dead before you even get a chance to start remote armor repairing the guy
Galaxion	Posted - 2004.09.08 17:18:00 - [47] Don't worry, by the time people have finished training cruiser Level 5 (about 39 days I think) the price will have gone down. Now, which race to train, Caldari probably, they seem to be the "favourite" race. . ----------------------------------------- Everlasting Vendetta PVP Commander, yarr
Galaxion	Posted - 2004.09.08 17:18:00 - [48] Don't worry, by the time people have finished training cruiser Level 5 (about 39 days I think) the price will have gone down. Now, which race to train, Caldari probably, they seem to be the "favourite" race. . ----------------------------------------- Everlasting Vendetta PVP Commander, yarr
Darth Sith	Posted - 2004.09.08 17:21:00 - [49] I say wait for shiva and let's see how useful these ships are with POS, sentries, lvl4 missions and complexes. Did CCP say these ships are for PVP?..
Darth Sith	Posted - 2004.09.08 17:21:00 - [50] I say wait for shiva and let's see how useful these ships are with POS, sentries, lvl4 missions and complexes. Did CCP say these ships are for PVP?..
Nafri	Posted - 2004.09.08 17:28:00 - [51] Originally by: Darth Sith I say wait for shiva and let's see how useful these ships are with POS, sentries, lvl4 missions and complexes. Did CCP say these ships are for PVP?.. yeah heard so Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.09.08 17:28:00 - [52] Originally by: Darth Sith I say wait for shiva and let's see how useful these ships are with POS, sentries, lvl4 missions and complexes. Did CCP say these ships are for PVP?.. yeah heard so Wanna fly with me?
Tindel	Posted - 2004.09.08 17:44:00 - [53] lol...100mill... Y helo thar
Tindel	Posted - 2004.09.08 17:44:00 - [54] lol...100mill... Y helo thar
fairimear	Posted - 2004.09.08 17:48:00 - [55] fit large remotes to a geddon and use that. its cheaper. less range but armor to take the dmg. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.09.08 17:48:00 - [56] fit large remotes to a geddon and use that. its cheaper. less range but armor to take the dmg. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
ChaosOne	Posted - 2004.09.08 18:28:00 - [57] Originally by: Tion Originally by: ChaosOne lmao 100mil, id rather buy a scorp and use that as the remote armour repairer i think, least youd get a bit of insurance back if you die and be able to fit more defences on it. not to mention youd be 30 mil better off. good luck on seling them Maybe you should look at the stats of the ship befor you go spouting off. This thip his much better at that then the scorp. hhm, not a very good argument there, oneiros 3 low , 4 med , 4 hi slots , power grid 625 base.granted it has a good bonus for remotes but bearing in mind you may just about be able to fit 2 large remote repairers on the thing , whilst the scorp you could use as a close logistics fleet support, fit 6 large remotes, shield tank to hell and have vastly increased survivability than the oneriros, as well as being able to at least luanch protective drones all for 30mil less and a insurance payment worth talking about. i really think theres no comparison there. dont take this as a flame , its not , just a opinion that t2 is way overpriced for what it is. once again, good luck on selling some of them.
ChaosOne	Posted - 2004.09.08 18:28:00 - [58] Originally by: Tion Originally by: ChaosOne lmao 100mil, id rather buy a scorp and use that as the remote armour repairer i think, least youd get a bit of insurance back if you die and be able to fit more defences on it. not to mention youd be 30 mil better off. good luck on seling them Maybe you should look at the stats of the ship befor you go spouting off. This thip his much better at that then the scorp. hhm, not a very good argument there, oneiros 3 low , 4 med , 4 hi slots , power grid 625 base.granted it has a good bonus for remotes but bearing in mind you may just about be able to fit 2 large remote repairers on the thing , whilst the scorp you could use as a close logistics fleet support, fit 6 large remotes, shield tank to hell and have vastly increased survivability than the oneriros, as well as being able to at least luanch protective drones all for 30mil less and a insurance payment worth talking about. i really think theres no comparison there. dont take this as a flame , its not , just a opinion that t2 is way overpriced for what it is. once again, good luck on selling some of them.
Tion	Posted - 2004.09.08 18:29:00 - [59] ok we have talked it over... 100mil is a bit much... I guess... so we'll drop the price. starting bid is 60mil, bids in 5mil. Plz bid here. Forums = B!tching Don't be a fool and die for your corp! Let the other sonofab!tch die for his!
Tion	Posted - 2004.09.08 18:29:00 - [60] ok we have talked it over... 100mil is a bit much... I guess... so we'll drop the price. starting bid is 60mil, bids in 5mil. Plz bid here. Forums = B!tching Don't be a fool and die for your corp! Let the other sonofab!tch die for his!
Moto Celentis	Posted - 2004.09.08 18:35:00 - [61] I found a great post from Oron about this topic. I think he is right all the way. ------------------------------------------------------- First: The power of the logistics are the range. Secound: They are tactical vessles, so only calculating one of them do not fit. Think about 3 logistics 50km behind the your longe range Battleships, and think about 1 or 2 more logistic 50km behind the first 3. If your long Range BS are placed well your enemy long range forces can not shoot at the logistics from thier palce, while the tanking ability of your BS are increased. Sure they will be some fast frigs & cruisers send out to destroy the logistics, but becouse the first row get healt by the secound its not realy easy. Especialy if you give some esorts to the logistics. The enemy longe range BSs cannot get close enoth to the logistics without run in your close range BSs. Well its all theorie But if you more and more logitics you will be able to establish a repairing network and your enemy do not know with logistic must shoot first to break the chains of repairing -- see you outa space Oron - Deep Space Services [00-S] ------------------------------------------------------ Now, if you want to go and blow up some rats, just line up your BS and go. If you want to play some fleet warfare, then you will probably need this type of ship.. Just a suggestion...
Moto Celentis	Posted - 2004.09.08 18:35:00 - [62] I found a great post from Oron about this topic. I think he is right all the way. ------------------------------------------------------- First: The power of the logistics are the range. Secound: They are tactical vessles, so only calculating one of them do not fit. Think about 3 logistics 50km behind the your longe range Battleships, and think about 1 or 2 more logistic 50km behind the first 3. If your long Range BS are placed well your enemy long range forces can not shoot at the logistics from thier palce, while the tanking ability of your BS are increased. Sure they will be some fast frigs & cruisers send out to destroy the logistics, but becouse the first row get healt by the secound its not realy easy. Especialy if you give some esorts to the logistics. The enemy longe range BSs cannot get close enoth to the logistics without run in your close range BSs. Well its all theorie But if you more and more logitics you will be able to establish a repairing network and your enemy do not know with logistic must shoot first to break the chains of repairing -- see you outa space Oron - Deep Space Services [00-S] ------------------------------------------------------ Now, if you want to go and blow up some rats, just line up your BS and go. If you want to play some fleet warfare, then you will probably need this type of ship.. Just a suggestion...
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:00:00 - [63] Originally by: Moto Celentis I found a great post from Oron about this topic. I think he is right all the way. ------------------------------------------------------- First: The power of the logistics are the range. Secound: They are tactical vessles, so only calculating one of them do not fit. Think about 3 logistics 50km behind the your longe range Battleships, and think about 1 or 2 more logistic 50km behind the first 3. If your long Range BS are placed well your enemy long range forces can not shoot at the logistics from thier palce, while the tanking ability of your BS are increased. Sure they will be some fast frigs & cruisers send out to destroy the logistics, but becouse the first row get healt by the secound its not realy easy. Especialy if you give some esorts to the logistics. The enemy longe range BSs cannot get close enoth to the logistics without run in your close range BSs. Well its all theorie But if you more and more logitics you will be able to establish a repairing network and your enemy do not know with logistic must shoot first to break the chains of repairing Lol nice theory. But if you have those 10 pilots needed for the support cruiser in battleships you'll simply win the battle. While only risking 50% or so of the isk :P You're dreaming dude. Support Cruisers suck because their tech2. That their main problem. If their tech2 they should at least have really high resistance, more hp and maybe be a bit slower. As they are they suck.
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:00:00 - [64] Originally by: Moto Celentis I found a great post from Oron about this topic. I think he is right all the way. ------------------------------------------------------- First: The power of the logistics are the range. Secound: They are tactical vessles, so only calculating one of them do not fit. Think about 3 logistics 50km behind the your longe range Battleships, and think about 1 or 2 more logistic 50km behind the first 3. If your long Range BS are placed well your enemy long range forces can not shoot at the logistics from thier palce, while the tanking ability of your BS are increased. Sure they will be some fast frigs & cruisers send out to destroy the logistics, but becouse the first row get healt by the secound its not realy easy. Especialy if you give some esorts to the logistics. The enemy longe range BSs cannot get close enoth to the logistics without run in your close range BSs. Well its all theorie But if you more and more logitics you will be able to establish a repairing network and your enemy do not know with logistic must shoot first to break the chains of repairing Lol nice theory. But if you have those 10 pilots needed for the support cruiser in battleships you'll simply win the battle. While only risking 50% or so of the isk :P You're dreaming dude. Support Cruisers suck because their tech2. That their main problem. If their tech2 they should at least have really high resistance, more hp and maybe be a bit slower. As they are they suck.
LifeDeath	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:02:00 - [65] sign me up.. 65 mil
LifeDeath	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:02:00 - [66] sign me up.. 65 mil
Fist OfTheNorthStar	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:13:00 - [67] Arthur, I think you are too stuck with the old way of thinking and you dont think of the evolution of the game. The Support Cruiser is much more resilient of any cruisers in the game. For instance, the hull is 1/3 of a standard BS. Also, consider the battle mechanics.. which player is going to put his ship at risk to heal you close at 7.5km? When you have dedicated roles, you have players that are commited to perform that role. The "healers" will do just that because that is their roles. and btw.. I will get one.. 70 mil
Fist OfTheNorthStar	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:13:00 - [68] Arthur, I think you are too stuck with the old way of thinking and you dont think of the evolution of the game. The Support Cruiser is much more resilient of any cruisers in the game. For instance, the hull is 1/3 of a standard BS. Also, consider the battle mechanics.. which player is going to put his ship at risk to heal you close at 7.5km? When you have dedicated roles, you have players that are commited to perform that role. The "healers" will do just that because that is their roles. and btw.. I will get one.. 70 mil
Final Fantasy	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:17:00 - [69] 75 mil
Final Fantasy	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:17:00 - [70] 75 mil
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:20:00 - [71] Edited by: Arthur Guinness on 08/09/2004 19:42:41 Edited by: Arthur Guinness on 08/09/2004 19:38:03 Originally by: Fist OfTheNorthStar Arthur, I think you are too stuck with the old way of thinking and you dont think of the evolution of the game. The Support Cruiser is much more resilient of any cruisers in the game. For instance, the hull is 1/3 of a standard BS. Also, consider the battle mechanics.. which player is going to put his ship at risk to heal you close at 7.5km? When you have dedicated roles, you have players that are commited to perform that role. The "healers" will do just that because that is their roles. and btw.. I will get one.. 70 mil Well you see, if you think you can have those support cruisers behind the battle lines, SAFE then you seem like a fool to me. Or you have never fought an enemy gang with a decent commander. There's tactics like sending in a frig or two and have some bs warp to them, they'll pwn the support cruisers. Yes that's about 5 ships missing in your enemies main force, so you might kill a bs or two in the mean time, let's do the math: You lost 5 support cruisers 300mil Enemies lost 2 BS 60mil Ok now please again, how do you plan on using them in PvP, vs enemies with brains? They will most likely be nice for npc, but even there we can use normal bs with support modules, works really nice. Edit: As i don't want to hijack this thread for discussion wether this ship is wasted db space or not, let's discuss it here
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:20:00 - [72] Edited by: Arthur Guinness on 08/09/2004 19:42:41 Edited by: Arthur Guinness on 08/09/2004 19:38:03 Originally by: Fist OfTheNorthStar Arthur, I think you are too stuck with the old way of thinking and you dont think of the evolution of the game. The Support Cruiser is much more resilient of any cruisers in the game. For instance, the hull is 1/3 of a standard BS. Also, consider the battle mechanics.. which player is going to put his ship at risk to heal you close at 7.5km? When you have dedicated roles, you have players that are commited to perform that role. The "healers" will do just that because that is their roles. and btw.. I will get one.. 70 mil Well you see, if you think you can have those support cruisers behind the battle lines, SAFE then you seem like a fool to me. Or you have never fought an enemy gang with a decent commander. There's tactics like sending in a frig or two and have some bs warp to them, they'll pwn the support cruisers. Yes that's about 5 ships missing in your enemies main force, so you might kill a bs or two in the mean time, let's do the math: You lost 5 support cruisers 300mil Enemies lost 2 BS 60mil Ok now please again, how do you plan on using them in PvP, vs enemies with brains? They will most likely be nice for npc, but even there we can use normal bs with support modules, works really nice. Edit: As i don't want to hijack this thread for discussion wether this ship is wasted db space or not, let's discuss it here
Fist OfTheNorthStar	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:24:00 - [73] I forgot to mention I belive this ship will provide indespensable healing support of all those teams running mining ops in 0.0 with a station many systems away. (do you rather have your indy(ies) with an armor repairer or have an extra cargo extentender?) 75 mil.
Fist OfTheNorthStar	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:24:00 - [74] I forgot to mention I belive this ship will provide indespensable healing support of all those teams running mining ops in 0.0 with a station many systems away. (do you rather have your indy(ies) with an armor repairer or have an extra cargo extentender?) 75 mil.
Dark Eve	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:41:00 - [75] I will post my bid, which is 80 mil. I trust CCP to have designed a fair system to improve the gameplay and each new additions fit into the big schema of things. Given the training skill book for logistic is on the market for 27 mi and the training requirements are high, there has to be something in this new goup of ship that will give more considerable tactical advantage. I will let you know once I have figured out myself...
Dark Eve	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:41:00 - [76] I will post my bid, which is 80 mil. I trust CCP to have designed a fair system to improve the gameplay and each new additions fit into the big schema of things. Given the training skill book for logistic is on the market for 27 mi and the training requirements are high, there has to be something in this new goup of ship that will give more considerable tactical advantage. I will let you know once I have figured out myself...
Fist OfTheNorthStar	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:50:00 - [77] 85 mil.
Fist OfTheNorthStar	Posted - 2004.09.08 19:50:00 - [78] 85 mil.
Final Fantasy	Posted - 2004.09.08 20:06:00 - [79] put me down for one please. 90 Mil.
Final Fantasy	Posted - 2004.09.08 20:06:00 - [80] put me down for one please. 90 Mil.
Fist OfTheNorthStar	Posted - 2004.09.08 20:12:00 - [81] I match the bid. 90 mil.
Fist OfTheNorthStar	Posted - 2004.09.08 20:12:00 - [82] I match the bid. 90 mil.
Marylin Toore	Posted - 2004.09.08 20:18:00 - [83] ouch. I'll take one to for 90 mil.
Marylin Toore	Posted - 2004.09.08 20:18:00 - [84] ouch. I'll take one to for 90 mil.
Dark Eve	Posted - 2004.09.08 20:23:00 - [85] uhmm.. 90 mil. What is the manifacturing time?.. I heard those ships are going to take forever to build and with few BPOs around..
Dark Eve	Posted - 2004.09.08 20:23:00 - [86] uhmm.. 90 mil. What is the manifacturing time?.. I heard those ships are going to take forever to build and with few BPOs around..
Jenna Labosh	Posted - 2004.09.08 20:33:00 - [87] any BYOC deal(s) possible? I might be interested in 3-4 BPC.. if that is not available.. I will take 1 for testing. I offer 80 Mil.
Jenna Labosh	Posted - 2004.09.08 20:33:00 - [88] any BYOC deal(s) possible? I might be interested in 3-4 BPC.. if that is not available.. I will take 1 for testing. I offer 80 Mil.
Moto Celentis	Posted - 2004.09.08 20:57:00 - [89] I might be interested to buy 4 of those ships not higher then 90 mil. Let me know if you are interested and how long that will take for the order to be delivered.
Moto Celentis	Posted - 2004.09.08 20:57:00 - [90] I might be interested to buy 4 of those ships not higher then 90 mil. Let me know if you are interested and how long that will take for the order to be delivered.
serex	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:25:00 - [91] new toy?.. I'll take it.. (more mining in 0.0 I suppose) 95 Mil.
serex	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:25:00 - [92] new toy?.. I'll take it.. (more mining in 0.0 I suppose) 95 Mil.
Cilia Sun	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:27:00 - [93] So you freely pay 90 million which is 10 less then he orginally asked? sigh some people
Cilia Sun	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:27:00 - [94] So you freely pay 90 million which is 10 less then he orginally asked? sigh some people
Arud	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:31:00 - [95] uuuu alt bids
Arud	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:31:00 - [96] uuuu alt bids
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:35:00 - [97] Originally by: Cilia Sun So you freely pay 90 million which is 10 less then he orginally asked? sigh some people Exactly what I was thinking....60 million was about 20 million more than it should be.... No loss to me...wasted money IMHO..so what if its new...give a few months...they will be cheap (mineral price/comp prices) plus a few million... Just like Covert Ops and soon to be Ass. Frigs....
Vigilant	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:35:00 - [98] Originally by: Cilia Sun So you freely pay 90 million which is 10 less then he orginally asked? sigh some people Exactly what I was thinking....60 million was about 20 million more than it should be.... No loss to me...wasted money IMHO..so what if its new...give a few months...they will be cheap (mineral price/comp prices) plus a few million... Just like Covert Ops and soon to be Ass. Frigs....
cashman	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:39:00 - [99] You're pathetic Tion. ____________________________________ »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
cashman	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:39:00 - [100] You're pathetic Tion. ____________________________________ »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Moto Celentis	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:47:00 - [101] Originally by: Moto Celentis I might be interested to buy 4 of those ships not higher then 90 mil. Let me know if you are interested and how long that will take for the order to be delivered. I raise by 5 Mil. The offer is for 95 MIl.
Moto Celentis	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:47:00 - [102] Originally by: Moto Celentis I might be interested to buy 4 of those ships not higher then 90 mil. Let me know if you are interested and how long that will take for the order to be delivered. I raise by 5 Mil. The offer is for 95 MIl.
Lord Byron	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:49:00 - [103] Hello, I don¦t know if i break the rules by posting on the thread of a competitor, but i risk it. First of all; yes, it takes a very long time to build the Oneiros - our prototype needed more than 17 hours till completion. And yes, production costs are also very high. It¦s not the same for every ship though, because components vary in price depending on the ship¦s race, and with so many components needed, the difference is much higher than for interceptors. It¦s true, with those prices , the rentability of those ships is not easy to measure. But one thing should be very clear -those ships are tactical weapons , and will benefit those fleets using them properly. In a battle, the price for an advantage over enemy forces can¦t be measured in cash. A war is something different though and has nothing to do with a single battle. But we shouldn¦t forget the most important thing for all of us. We¦re playing a game. And a game has to be exciting, entertaining and challenging - that¦s the reason people will buy those ships. Finally CCP added some ships to the game which have the potential to lift tactical and strategical thoughts to a higher level. Those who imbrace the changes and make use of the options will have more fun playing the game and will also have a higher chance than their opponents to win the battle. N.A.G.A Corp \| NeoCom Site Lord Byron - Burnt Head Desire is most likely the shortest road to destruction - but who cares
Lord Byron	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:49:00 - [104] Hello, I don¦t know if i break the rules by posting on the thread of a competitor, but i risk it. First of all; yes, it takes a very long time to build the Oneiros - our prototype needed more than 17 hours till completion. And yes, production costs are also very high. It¦s not the same for every ship though, because components vary in price depending on the ship¦s race, and with so many components needed, the difference is much higher than for interceptors. It¦s true, with those prices , the rentability of those ships is not easy to measure. But one thing should be very clear -those ships are tactical weapons , and will benefit those fleets using them properly. In a battle, the price for an advantage over enemy forces can¦t be measured in cash. A war is something different though and has nothing to do with a single battle. But we shouldn¦t forget the most important thing for all of us. We¦re playing a game. And a game has to be exciting, entertaining and challenging - that¦s the reason people will buy those ships. Finally CCP added some ships to the game which have the potential to lift tactical and strategical thoughts to a higher level. Those who imbrace the changes and make use of the options will have more fun playing the game and will also have a higher chance than their opponents to win the battle. N.A.G.A Corp \| NeoCom Site Lord Byron - Burnt Head Desire is most likely the shortest road to destruction - but who cares
Celt Eireson	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:51:00 - [105] Given that Shiva is introducing a method of tech 2 component production I think you'll see a good decrease in the price of the ships, hoepfully anyways.
Celt Eireson	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:51:00 - [106] Given that Shiva is introducing a method of tech 2 component production I think you'll see a good decrease in the price of the ships, hoepfully anyways.
Cilia Sun	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:57:00 - [107] Great caught between good old fashion greed and soon(tm) It's a loose/loose situation
Cilia Sun	Posted - 2004.09.08 21:57:00 - [108] Great caught between good old fashion greed and soon(tm) It's a loose/loose situation
Tech2 Shoppe	Posted - 2004.09.08 23:01:00 - [109] Originally by: ricko mortis Personnally would be surprised if anyone paid more than 10 million. Hahaha, you are easy to surprise, and your knowledge of eve economics is obviously similar!
Tech2 Shoppe	Posted - 2004.09.08 23:01:00 - [110] Originally by: ricko mortis Personnally would be surprised if anyone paid more than 10 million. Hahaha, you are easy to surprise, and your knowledge of eve economics is obviously similar!
Eternal Solitude	Posted - 2004.09.08 23:04:00 - [111] 95 Mil is a bill.. But at least I will be seating on something more rubust then an assult frigate, which sells for 40+ mil (or 120 mil in some places). Get me one!
Eternal Solitude	Posted - 2004.09.08 23:04:00 - [112] 95 Mil is a bill.. But at least I will be seating on something more rubust then an assult frigate, which sells for 40+ mil (or 120 mil in some places). Get me one!
Rattman	Posted - 2004.09.08 23:29:00 - [113] Originally by: Tion This ship is very hard to make! And this is the only BPO in the game! Good Luck! Only if you discount the other 3 that are ingame (including NAGA) All opinions, rambling or not, expressed here are my own and not that of my corp or alliance
Rattman	Posted - 2004.09.08 23:29:00 - [114] Originally by: Tion This ship is very hard to make! And this is the only BPO in the game! Good Luck! Only if you discount the other 3 that are ingame (including NAGA) All opinions, rambling or not, expressed here are my own and not that of my corp or alliance
snutt	Posted - 2004.09.08 23:31:00 - [115] Originally by: Celt Eireson Given that Shiva is introducing a method of tech 2 component production I think you'll see a good decrease in the price of the ships, hoepfully anyways. This is exactly why I won't be buying any t2 ship till shiva is launched, they simply, simply! does not return the money one invest in them. Then It'll probably take like 2 months for even the most basic bps to get out. Sorry for my lack of faith, I'am fed up . Mess with the best, die like the rest Real men structure tank
snutt	Posted - 2004.09.08 23:31:00 - [116] Originally by: Celt Eireson Given that Shiva is introducing a method of tech 2 component production I think you'll see a good decrease in the price of the ships, hoepfully anyways. This is exactly why I won't be buying any t2 ship till shiva is launched, they simply, simply! does not return the money one invest in them. Then It'll probably take like 2 months for even the most basic bps to get out. Sorry for my lack of faith, I'am fed up . Mess with the best, die like the rest Real men structure tank
Psionist	Posted - 2004.09.08 23:45:00 - [117] Find a friend with a BPO/BPC and negotiate a BYOC deal. That way to dictate your own price and if you pay too much, you have noone to blame but yourself. This is how I've gained all of my tech 2 gear so far, other than 2 small blasters which were a gift. Never have I paid anywhere near the silly prices people charge, not once since I began collect these things.
Psionist	Posted - 2004.09.08 23:45:00 - [118] Find a friend with a BPO/BPC and negotiate a BYOC deal. That way to dictate your own price and if you pay too much, you have noone to blame but yourself. This is how I've gained all of my tech 2 gear so far, other than 2 small blasters which were a gift. Never have I paid anywhere near the silly prices people charge, not once since I began collect these things.
Tion	Posted - 2004.09.09 01:02:00 - [119] Ok every one that is willing to Pay 95mil, eve-mail me in game. The ships take a long time to build. First come first serve. People buying more then one ship will get bumped 2 the front. You will be notified to when your ship will be ready. Thank's every one for you input, except the guy that said I was pathitic, I'm sorry maybe you didn't read that I am selling the ships for someone. And that someone worked very very very hard for the BPO. So bite me. Any time any place Forums = B!tching Don't be a fool and die for your corp! Let the other sonofab!tch die for his!
Tion	Posted - 2004.09.09 01:02:00 - [120] Ok every one that is willing to Pay 95mil, eve-mail me in game. The ships take a long time to build. First come first serve. People buying more then one ship will get bumped 2 the front. You will be notified to when your ship will be ready. Thank's every one for you input, except the guy that said I was pathitic, I'm sorry maybe you didn't read that I am selling the ships for someone. And that someone worked very very very hard for the BPO. So bite me. Any time any place Forums = B!tching Don't be a fool and die for your corp! Let the other sonofab!tch die for his!
Aelius	Posted - 2004.09.09 03:01:00 - [121] 90M?! for a cruiser?! This type of cruiser?! Commom get serious, unless you are a ship collector. Clearly some people have WAY to much isk to spend Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station
Aelius	Posted - 2004.09.09 03:01:00 - [122] 90M?! for a cruiser?! This type of cruiser?! Commom get serious, unless you are a ship collector. Clearly some people have WAY to much isk to spend Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station
Vaio	Posted - 2004.09.09 03:07:00 - [123] clearly u got no idea about fighting man. yes its imporant to have fire power.. but u need stratagy.... why not get a healer? so .. when you taking dmg u can heal and last longer so in the long run you are doing more dmg so kicking ass. so hah.. man just shhh let the people bid ;D
Vaio	Posted - 2004.09.09 03:07:00 - [124] clearly u got no idea about fighting man. yes its imporant to have fire power.. but u need stratagy.... why not get a healer? so .. when you taking dmg u can heal and last longer so in the long run you are doing more dmg so kicking ass. so hah.. man just shhh let the people bid ;D
VossKarr	Posted - 2004.09.09 05:45:00 - [125] Edited by: VossKarr on 09/09/2004 06:55:53 90mil?! Freaking hilarious! /emote shakes his head in disbelief... Oh well, the money is yours to spend, so...
VossKarr	Posted - 2004.09.09 05:45:00 - [126] Edited by: VossKarr on 09/09/2004 06:55:53 90mil?! Freaking hilarious! /emote shakes his head in disbelief... Oh well, the money is yours to spend, so...
Misinformed soldier	Posted - 2004.09.09 07:17:00 - [127] In my opinion no cruiser no matter what it does or if its tech 1 or tech 5! should cost more than a battleship, it's a cruiser and no matter what special abilities it has that set it apart from the run-of-the-mil cruisers out there in the end its just been given a paint job. I mean my god if it had a new mesh i'd buy one, but it doesnt. CCP have taken the lazy route to ship design. cmon CCP its the most important thing in a space game, the ship, try harder please. --------------- ...and now the man who will lead us on our proud struggle for freedom, fresh from his bloody triumph over the pacifists of the Ghandi nebula, twenty five star general Zap Brannigan!
Misinformed soldier	Posted - 2004.09.09 07:17:00 - [128] In my opinion no cruiser no matter what it does or if its tech 1 or tech 5! should cost more than a battleship, it's a cruiser and no matter what special abilities it has that set it apart from the run-of-the-mil cruisers out there in the end its just been given a paint job. I mean my god if it had a new mesh i'd buy one, but it doesnt. CCP have taken the lazy route to ship design. cmon CCP its the most important thing in a space game, the ship, try harder please. --------------- ...and now the man who will lead us on our proud struggle for freedom, fresh from his bloody triumph over the pacifists of the Ghandi nebula, twenty five star general Zap Brannigan!
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.09.09 07:42:00 - [129] Originally by: Vaio clearly u got no idea about fighting man. yes its imporant to have fire power.. but u need stratagy.... why not get a healer? so .. when you taking dmg u can heal and last longer so in the long run you are doing more dmg so kicking ass. so hah.. man just shhh let the people bid ;D People already use healers... the difference is they cost 25-30 mil less than what this Oneiros was sold for, are insurable and won't be a primary target which will be downed in a single volley, those healers are also capable of some offence. Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.09.09 07:42:00 - [130] Originally by: Vaio clearly u got no idea about fighting man. yes its imporant to have fire power.. but u need stratagy.... why not get a healer? so .. when you taking dmg u can heal and last longer so in the long run you are doing more dmg so kicking ass. so hah.. man just shhh let the people bid ;D People already use healers... the difference is they cost 25-30 mil less than what this Oneiros was sold for, are insurable and won't be a primary target which will be downed in a single volley, those healers are also capable of some offence. Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.09.09 07:48:00 - [131] Originally by: Tion And that someone worked very very very hard for the BPO. This has to be the most ridiculous thing i have ever seen on the forums. Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.09.09 07:48:00 - [132] Originally by: Tion And that someone worked very very very hard for the BPO. This has to be the most ridiculous thing i have ever seen on the forums. Pain is meant to be felt
Ultimate Death	Posted - 2004.09.09 08:12:00 - [133] Edited by: Ultimate Death on 09/09/2004 10:48:08 Originally by: Misinformed soldier In my opinion no cruiser no matter what it does or if its tech 1 or tech 5! should cost more than a battleship, it's a cruiser and no matter what special abilities it has that set it apart from the run-of-the-mil cruisers out there in the end its just been given a paint job. I mean my god if it had a new mesh i'd buy one, but it doesnt. CCP have taken the lazy route to ship design. cmon CCP its the most important thing in a space game, the ship, try harder please. I could agree on the general statement if the manifacturing components were far cheaper then in the current market. It appears that most players are just stocking piling them "because they dont need ISK" and that is causing the entire tech-2 supply chain to become unbalanced. Regarding the second part,if a cruiser shall be less expensive then a battleship (which is desirable), why do we see in the market the interceptors running as high as 15-19mil, the corver-ops frigate 20-25 mil and the assult frigates at 40-45Mil? Is the same rule applicable to frigate, or should be a frigate class ship less expensive then a top cruiser? I guess that would be desirable too, because even with specialized roles, a frigate is a frigate... I guess CCP needs to work on the tech-2 components supply issue...I would love to see more tech-2 ship at much lover price Until then, I guess we are going to familiarize ourself with prices like 90 mil for a clocking device, elite frigates to top cruiser and level I BS price, and elite cruiser to top level II BS price tag. One final thought. In all these threads no one seamed to have considered the time investment (gameplay) to master the skills to manage-- research, copy, manifacuting, this class of ships (a cruiser not a frigate with very lengthy manifacturing cycles), which clearly will be refected in the price tag. If you feel that waiting to get simply a BPC and using your tech-2 components will do to build this ship, your skills may not match the requirements.... The skill requirements, along with the above facts, might result even after Shiva or godlike intervention (CCP) of prices not to decrease at all. Good luck to all and see you in your shinny Oneiros in the battlefield.
Ultimate Death	Posted - 2004.09.09 08:12:00 - [134] Edited by: Ultimate Death on 09/09/2004 10:48:08 Originally by: Misinformed soldier In my opinion no cruiser no matter what it does or if its tech 1 or tech 5! should cost more than a battleship, it's a cruiser and no matter what special abilities it has that set it apart from the run-of-the-mil cruisers out there in the end its just been given a paint job. I mean my god if it had a new mesh i'd buy one, but it doesnt. CCP have taken the lazy route to ship design. cmon CCP its the most important thing in a space game, the ship, try harder please. I could agree on the general statement if the manifacturing components were far cheaper then in the current market. It appears that most players are just stocking piling them "because they dont need ISK" and that is causing the entire tech-2 supply chain to become unbalanced. Regarding the second part,if a cruiser shall be less expensive then a battleship (which is desirable), why do we see in the market the interceptors running as high as 15-19mil, the corver-ops frigate 20-25 mil and the assult frigates at 40-45Mil? Is the same rule applicable to frigate, or should be a frigate class ship less expensive then a top cruiser? I guess that would be desirable too, because even with specialized roles, a frigate is a frigate... I guess CCP needs to work on the tech-2 components supply issue...I would love to see more tech-2 ship at much lover price Until then, I guess we are going to familiarize ourself with prices like 90 mil for a clocking device, elite frigates to top cruiser and level I BS price, and elite cruiser to top level II BS price tag. One final thought. In all these threads no one seamed to have considered the time investment (gameplay) to master the skills to manage-- research, copy, manifacuting, this class of ships (a cruiser not a frigate with very lengthy manifacturing cycles), which clearly will be refected in the price tag. If you feel that waiting to get simply a BPC and using your tech-2 components will do to build this ship, your skills may not match the requirements.... The skill requirements, along with the above facts, might result even after Shiva or godlike intervention (CCP) of prices not to decrease at all. Good luck to all and see you in your shinny Oneiros in the battlefield.
Nafri	Posted - 2004.09.09 09:01:00 - [135] looking forward to kill it, to bad that you can just dampen that little thingie Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.09.09 09:01:00 - [136] looking forward to kill it, to bad that you can just dampen that little thingie Wanna fly with me?
JP Beauregard	Posted - 2004.09.09 11:19:00 - [137] Originally by: Altarra I dont know the material requirements of the Oneiros, but am somewhat familiar with the requirements of the Basilisk: Mexallon3.601 Nocxium 2.066 Zydrine 34 Construction blocks55 Gravimetric sensor cluster165 Graviton reactor unit110 Quantum microprocessor220 Scalar capacitator Unit275 Sustained shield emitter 110 Trimorphite armor plate110 Ram starship tech15% per run 1 Osprey This is of course unresearched. So you see, for the builder the main killer are the 110 graviton reactor units... They cost about 220.000 isk if you are lucky.... If I price components for the Basiliks somewhat generously, that makes for material cost of under 11,000,000 plus the graviton reactors. Those are 57,000 in some BYOC deals I've seen, so we'd still be talking less than 18,000,000 and still less than 36,000,000 if we price the reactors at 220,000 per. Variations, schmariations. Unless I see a similar list for the Oneiros from a reliable source, I'll assume the material requirements are about the same, even though fusion reactors even tend to be somewhat cheaper than graviton reactors. Two questions: So how do we get from there to 100 million? And why is there no BYOC offer? Answer to question No. 1: No clue. Answer to question No. 2: Because then even those without a clue would figure out they'd be getting ripped off. JP Beauregard === The Pilkington Guides to EVE ===
JP Beauregard	Posted - 2004.09.09 11:19:00 - [138] Originally by: Altarra I dont know the material requirements of the Oneiros, but am somewhat familiar with the requirements of the Basilisk: Mexallon3.601 Nocxium 2.066 Zydrine 34 Construction blocks55 Gravimetric sensor cluster165 Graviton reactor unit110 Quantum microprocessor220 Scalar capacitator Unit275 Sustained shield emitter 110 Trimorphite armor plate110 Ram starship tech15% per run 1 Osprey This is of course unresearched. So you see, for the builder the main killer are the 110 graviton reactor units... They cost about 220.000 isk if you are lucky.... If I price components for the Basiliks somewhat generously, that makes for material cost of under 11,000,000 plus the graviton reactors. Those are 57,000 in some BYOC deals I've seen, so we'd still be talking less than 18,000,000 and still less than 36,000,000 if we price the reactors at 220,000 per. Variations, schmariations. Unless I see a similar list for the Oneiros from a reliable source, I'll assume the material requirements are about the same, even though fusion reactors even tend to be somewhat cheaper than graviton reactors. Two questions: So how do we get from there to 100 million? And why is there no BYOC offer? Answer to question No. 1: No clue. Answer to question No. 2: Because then even those without a clue would figure out they'd be getting ripped off. JP Beauregard === The Pilkington Guides to EVE ===
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.09.09 11:51:00 - [139] I have only one thing to say DOMINIX. can armor or shield tank mount 6 remote repairers either shield or armor and can carry a hell of alot of drones to defend itself, also in fleet battles does not tend to be a priority target. and costs 60 million. " Stay Frosty "
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.09.09 11:51:00 - [140] I have only one thing to say DOMINIX. can armor or shield tank mount 6 remote repairers either shield or armor and can carry a hell of alot of drones to defend itself, also in fleet battles does not tend to be a priority target. and costs 60 million. " Stay Frosty "
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.09 12:06:00 - [141] Interested in selling the BPO for 3 billion? C.H. CEO EGCO
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.09 12:06:00 - [142] Interested in selling the BPO for 3 billion? C.H. CEO EGCO
Harisdrop	Posted - 2004.09.09 12:40:00 - [143] It will take me 60 days to have the skills to get this ship. The cost to buy this ship has nothing to do with it. Under certain aspects of the game this ship will be awesome, it will be well worth the cost. I wonder if you can shield tank and cap recharge 6 assualt and interceptors at the same time. If thats true the game changes. BS would think yeah I will go after support but with all the bonuses I dont think soo. In 55days we should have Shiva. -------------------------- Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies
Harisdrop	Posted - 2004.09.09 12:40:00 - [144] It will take me 60 days to have the skills to get this ship. The cost to buy this ship has nothing to do with it. Under certain aspects of the game this ship will be awesome, it will be well worth the cost. I wonder if you can shield tank and cap recharge 6 assualt and interceptors at the same time. If thats true the game changes. BS would think yeah I will go after support but with all the bonuses I dont think soo. In 55days we should have Shiva. -------------------------- Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies
Miz Cenuij	Posted - 2004.09.09 12:40:00 - [145] All these people *****ing about price. Supply and demand. There arnt many in game, so he can sell for a high price and there ARE people who will pay it. CCP have done a good job building a market model which reflects RL. The latest technology always costs more at release and rich people will always pay these inflated prices. Is it worth 90 million? No,but it is the latest thing out and therefore desirable to some people. In time the price will come down somewhat and common poor scum will be able to save up for one. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Miz Cenuij	Posted - 2004.09.09 12:40:00 - [146] All these people *****ing about price. Supply and demand. There arnt many in game, so he can sell for a high price and there ARE people who will pay it. CCP have done a good job building a market model which reflects RL. The latest technology always costs more at release and rich people will always pay these inflated prices. Is it worth 90 million? No,but it is the latest thing out and therefore desirable to some people. In time the price will come down somewhat and common poor scum will be able to save up for one. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
cashman	Posted - 2004.09.10 01:33:00 - [147] Originally by: Miz Cenuij All these people *****ing about price.... "Blablabla.... I'm a scammer.... blablabla..." ____________________________________ »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
cashman	Posted - 2004.09.10 01:33:00 - [148] Originally by: Miz Cenuij All these people *****ing about price.... "Blablabla.... I'm a scammer.... blablabla..." ____________________________________ »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»

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