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Aelius
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Posted - 2004.09.09 03:01:00 -
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90M?!  for a cruiser?! This type of cruiser?!
Commom get serious, unless you are a ship collector.
Clearly some people have WAY to much isk to spend
Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station |
Aelius
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Posted - 2004.09.09 03:01:00 -
[122]
90M?! for a cruiser?! This type of cruiser?!
Commom get serious, unless you are a ship collector.
Clearly some people have WAY to much isk to spend
Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station |
Vaio
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Posted - 2004.09.09 03:07:00 -
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clearly u got no idea about fighting man. yes its imporant to have fire power.. but u need stratagy.... why not get a healer? so .. when you taking dmg u can heal and last longer so in the long run you are doing more dmg so kicking ass. so hah.. man just shhh let the people bid ;D
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Vaio
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Posted - 2004.09.09 03:07:00 -
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clearly u got no idea about fighting man. yes its imporant to have fire power.. but u need stratagy.... why not get a healer? so .. when you taking dmg u can heal and last longer so in the long run you are doing more dmg so kicking ass. so hah.. man just shhh let the people bid ;D
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2004.09.09 05:45:00 -
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Edited by: VossKarr on 09/09/2004 06:55:53
90mil?!
Freaking hilarious!
/emote shakes his head in disbelief...
Oh well, the money is yours to spend, so... 
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2004.09.09 05:45:00 -
[126]
Edited by: VossKarr on 09/09/2004 06:55:53
90mil?!
Freaking hilarious!
/emote shakes his head in disbelief...
Oh well, the money is yours to spend, so...
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Misinformed soldier
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Posted - 2004.09.09 07:17:00 -
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In my opinion no cruiser no matter what it does or if its tech 1 or tech 5! should cost more than a battleship, it's a cruiser and no matter what special abilities it has that set it apart from the run-of-the-mil cruisers out there in the end its just been given a paint job. I mean my god if it had a new mesh i'd buy one, but it doesnt.
CCP have taken the lazy route to ship design. cmon CCP its the most important thing in a space game, the ship, try harder please.
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...and now the man who will lead us on our proud struggle for freedom, fresh from his bloody triumph over the pacifists of the Ghandi nebula, twenty five star general Zap Brannigan! |
Misinformed soldier
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Posted - 2004.09.09 07:17:00 -
[128]
In my opinion no cruiser no matter what it does or if its tech 1 or tech 5! should cost more than a battleship, it's a cruiser and no matter what special abilities it has that set it apart from the run-of-the-mil cruisers out there in the end its just been given a paint job. I mean my god if it had a new mesh i'd buy one, but it doesnt.
CCP have taken the lazy route to ship design. cmon CCP its the most important thing in a space game, the ship, try harder please.
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...and now the man who will lead us on our proud struggle for freedom, fresh from his bloody triumph over the pacifists of the Ghandi nebula, twenty five star general Zap Brannigan! |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.09.09 07:42:00 -
[129]
 Originally by: Vaio
clearly u got no idea about fighting man. yes its imporant to have fire power.. but u need stratagy.... why not get a healer? so .. when you taking dmg u can heal and last longer so in the long run you are doing more dmg so kicking ass. so hah.. man just shhh let the people bid ;D
People already use healers... the difference is they cost 25-30 mil less than what this Oneiros was sold for, are insurable and won't be a primary target which will be downed in a single volley, those healers are also capable of some offence.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.09.09 07:42:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Vaio
clearly u got no idea about fighting man. yes its imporant to have fire power.. but u need stratagy.... why not get a healer? so .. when you taking dmg u can heal and last longer so in the long run you are doing more dmg so kicking ass. so hah.. man just shhh let the people bid ;D
People already use healers... the difference is they cost 25-30 mil less than what this Oneiros was sold for, are insurable and won't be a primary target which will be downed in a single volley, those healers are also capable of some offence.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.09.09 07:48:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Tion
And that someone worked very very very hard for the BPO.
This has to be the most ridiculous thing i have ever seen on the forums.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.09.09 07:48:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Tion
And that someone worked very very very hard for the BPO.
This has to be the most ridiculous thing i have ever seen on the forums.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Ultimate Death
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Posted - 2004.09.09 08:12:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Ultimate Death on 09/09/2004 10:48:08
Originally by: Misinformed soldier
In my opinion no cruiser no matter what it does or if its tech 1 or tech 5! should cost more than a battleship, it's a cruiser and no matter what special abilities it has that set it apart from the run-of-the-mil cruisers out there in the end its just been given a paint job. I mean my god if it had a new mesh i'd buy one, but it doesnt.
CCP have taken the lazy route to ship design. cmon CCP its the most important thing in a space game, the ship, try harder please.
I could agree on the general statement if the manifacturing components were far cheaper then in the current market. It appears that most players are just stocking piling them "because they dont need ISK" and that is causing the entire tech-2 supply chain to become unbalanced.
Regarding the second part,if a cruiser shall be less expensive then a battleship (which is desirable), why do we see in the market the interceptors running as high as 15-19mil, the corver-ops frigate 20-25 mil and the assult frigates at 40-45Mil?
Is the same rule applicable to frigate, or should be a frigate class ship less expensive then a top cruiser? I guess that would be desirable too, because even with specialized roles, a frigate is a frigate...
I guess CCP needs to work on the tech-2 components supply issue...I would love to see more tech-2 ship at much lover price 
Until then, I guess we are going to familiarize ourself with prices like 90 mil for a clocking device, elite frigates to top cruiser and level I BS price, and elite cruiser to top level II BS price tag.
One final thought. In all these threads no one seamed to have considered the time investment (gameplay) to master the skills to manage-- research, copy, manifacuting, this class of ships (a cruiser not a frigate with very lengthy manifacturing cycles), which clearly will be refected in the price tag.
If you feel that waiting to get simply a BPC and using your tech-2 components will do to build this ship, your skills may not match the requirements.... The skill requirements, along with the above facts, might result even after Shiva or godlike intervention (CCP) of prices not to decrease at all.
Good luck to all and see you in your shinny Oneiros in the battlefield. 
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Ultimate Death
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Posted - 2004.09.09 08:12:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Ultimate Death on 09/09/2004 10:48:08
Originally by: Misinformed soldier
In my opinion no cruiser no matter what it does or if its tech 1 or tech 5! should cost more than a battleship, it's a cruiser and no matter what special abilities it has that set it apart from the run-of-the-mil cruisers out there in the end its just been given a paint job. I mean my god if it had a new mesh i'd buy one, but it doesnt.
CCP have taken the lazy route to ship design. cmon CCP its the most important thing in a space game, the ship, try harder please.
I could agree on the general statement if the manifacturing components were far cheaper then in the current market. It appears that most players are just stocking piling them "because they dont need ISK" and that is causing the entire tech-2 supply chain to become unbalanced.
Regarding the second part,if a cruiser shall be less expensive then a battleship (which is desirable), why do we see in the market the interceptors running as high as 15-19mil, the corver-ops frigate 20-25 mil and the assult frigates at 40-45Mil?
Is the same rule applicable to frigate, or should be a frigate class ship less expensive then a top cruiser? I guess that would be desirable too, because even with specialized roles, a frigate is a frigate...
I guess CCP needs to work on the tech-2 components supply issue...I would love to see more tech-2 ship at much lover price
Until then, I guess we are going to familiarize ourself with prices like 90 mil for a clocking device, elite frigates to top cruiser and level I BS price, and elite cruiser to top level II BS price tag.
One final thought. In all these threads no one seamed to have considered the time investment (gameplay) to master the skills to manage-- research, copy, manifacuting, this class of ships (a cruiser not a frigate with very lengthy manifacturing cycles), which clearly will be refected in the price tag.
If you feel that waiting to get simply a BPC and using your tech-2 components will do to build this ship, your skills may not match the requirements.... The skill requirements, along with the above facts, might result even after Shiva or godlike intervention (CCP) of prices not to decrease at all.
Good luck to all and see you in your shinny Oneiros in the battlefield.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.09.09 09:01:00 -
[135]
looking forward to kill it,
to bad that you can just dampen that little thingie
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.09.09 09:01:00 -
[136]
looking forward to kill it,
to bad that you can just dampen that little thingie
Wanna fly with me?
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.09.09 11:19:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Altarra
I dont know the material requirements of the Oneiros, but am somewhat familiar with the requirements of the Basilisk:
Mexallon3.601
Nocxium 2.066
Zydrine 34
Construction blocks55
Gravimetric sensor cluster165
Graviton reactor unit110
Quantum microprocessor220
Scalar capacitator Unit275
Sustained shield emitter 110
Trimorphite armor plate110
Ram starship tech15% per run
1 Osprey
This is of course unresearched.
So you see, for the builder the main killer are the 110 graviton reactor units... They cost about 220.000 isk if you are lucky....
If I price components for the Basiliks somewhat generously, that makes for material cost of under 11,000,000 plus the graviton reactors. Those are 57,000 in some BYOC deals I've seen, so we'd still be talking less than 18,000,000 and still less than 36,000,000 if we price the reactors at 220,000 per.
Variations, schmariations. Unless I see a similar list for the Oneiros from a reliable source, I'll assume the material requirements are about the same, even though fusion reactors even tend to be somewhat cheaper than graviton reactors.
Two questions:
So how do we get from there to 100 million? And why is there no BYOC offer?
Answer to question No. 1: No clue.
Answer to question No. 2: Because then even those without a clue would figure out they'd be getting ripped off.
JP Beauregard
=== The Pilkington Guides to EVE === |
JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.09.09 11:19:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Altarra
I dont know the material requirements of the Oneiros, but am somewhat familiar with the requirements of the Basilisk:
Mexallon3.601
Nocxium 2.066
Zydrine 34
Construction blocks55
Gravimetric sensor cluster165
Graviton reactor unit110
Quantum microprocessor220
Scalar capacitator Unit275
Sustained shield emitter 110
Trimorphite armor plate110
Ram starship tech15% per run
1 Osprey
This is of course unresearched.
So you see, for the builder the main killer are the 110 graviton reactor units... They cost about 220.000 isk if you are lucky....
If I price components for the Basiliks somewhat generously, that makes for material cost of under 11,000,000 plus the graviton reactors. Those are 57,000 in some BYOC deals I've seen, so we'd still be talking less than 18,000,000 and still less than 36,000,000 if we price the reactors at 220,000 per.
Variations, schmariations. Unless I see a similar list for the Oneiros from a reliable source, I'll assume the material requirements are about the same, even though fusion reactors even tend to be somewhat cheaper than graviton reactors.
Two questions:
So how do we get from there to 100 million? And why is there no BYOC offer?
Answer to question No. 1: No clue.
Answer to question No. 2: Because then even those without a clue would figure out they'd be getting ripped off.
JP Beauregard
=== The Pilkington Guides to EVE === |
corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.09.09 11:51:00 -
[139]
I have only one thing to say DOMINIX. can armor or shield tank mount 6 remote repairers either shield or armor and can carry a hell of alot of drones to defend itself, also in fleet battles does not tend to be a priority target. and costs 60 million.
" Stay Frosty "
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2004.09.09 11:51:00 -
[140]
I have only one thing to say DOMINIX. can armor or shield tank mount 6 remote repairers either shield or armor and can carry a hell of alot of drones to defend itself, also in fleet battles does not tend to be a priority target. and costs 60 million.
" Stay Frosty "
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Capt Hindgrinder
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Posted - 2004.09.09 12:06:00 -
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Interested in selling the BPO for 3 billion?
C.H.
CEO EGCO
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Capt Hindgrinder
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Posted - 2004.09.09 12:06:00 -
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Interested in selling the BPO for 3 billion?
C.H.
CEO EGCO
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.09.09 12:40:00 -
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It will take me 60 days to have the skills to get this ship. The cost to buy this ship has nothing to do with it. Under certain aspects of the game this ship will be awesome, it will be well worth the cost.
I wonder if you can shield tank and cap recharge 6 assualt and interceptors at the same time. If thats true the game changes.
BS would think yeah I will go after support but with all the bonuses I dont think soo. In 55days we should have Shiva.
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Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.09.09 12:40:00 -
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It will take me 60 days to have the skills to get this ship. The cost to buy this ship has nothing to do with it. Under certain aspects of the game this ship will be awesome, it will be well worth the cost.
I wonder if you can shield tank and cap recharge 6 assualt and interceptors at the same time. If thats true the game changes.
BS would think yeah I will go after support but with all the bonuses I dont think soo. In 55days we should have Shiva.
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Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
Miz Cenuij
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Posted - 2004.09.09 12:40:00 -
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All these people *****ing about price.
Supply and demand.
There arnt many in game, so he can sell for a high price and there ARE people who will pay it.
CCP have done a good job building a market model which reflects RL.
The latest technology always costs more at release and rich people will always pay these inflated prices. Is it worth 90 million? No,but it is the latest thing out and therefore desirable to some people.
In time the price will come down somewhat and common poor scum will be able to save up for one.
"Men are going to die..
and im going to kill them". |
Miz Cenuij
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Posted - 2004.09.09 12:40:00 -
[146]
All these people *****ing about price.
Supply and demand.
There arnt many in game, so he can sell for a high price and there ARE people who will pay it.
CCP have done a good job building a market model which reflects RL.
The latest technology always costs more at release and rich people will always pay these inflated prices. Is it worth 90 million? No,but it is the latest thing out and therefore desirable to some people.
In time the price will come down somewhat and common poor scum will be able to save up for one.
"Men are going to die..
and im going to kill them". |
cashman
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Posted - 2004.09.10 01:33:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Miz Cenuij
All these people *****ing about price....
"Blablabla.... I'm a scammer.... blablabla..."
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.09.10 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Miz Cenuij
All these people *****ing about price....
"Blablabla.... I'm a scammer.... blablabla..."
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