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OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:16:00 -
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Ok so me an 2 friends are currently doing what could be called diet-pirating, or as i like to call it, piddling around like C***tmuffins. Anyway some of us are finding it hard to make that permanent move to low sec, right now what we tend to do is stop before our sec status gets to low and we mission to get up. Missioning is probably our main problem for one of us missioning is our main form of income, and we have about a billion isk each, and are all at, or close to HAC level.
So my main questiobn is how DO you make a living in low sec? i've read pirating guides etc etc, and i know about ransoming, is that REALLY the main form of income? We left our 0.0 alliance because we wanted a stronger sense of freedom, and i can't help that my groups constant fear or not being able to mission and make money, while understandable, is the exact opposite of freedom.
So can anyone give me any tips? Thanks in advance.
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CanIHave YourStuff
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:21:00 -
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I'm going to assume most pies have alts to do their dirty hi-sec work
Other than that you can run missions in low sec.. if you are an 'organised' hac gang you should be able to manage this as a team.
I wouldn't have a clue about consistent income from piracy.
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Buchatar
Caldari Gygax Legion Red Dwarf Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Buchatar on 22/05/2009 14:22:28 Howdy! I wont be able to give you a full in-depth answer to keeping yourself sustained in low-sec as I only know small amounts. However what I "have" heard that is useful, is that to have a hauler alt move goods back and forth from high - low sec to keep you rolling. This alt doesn't have to be a new account as it only takes a few hours to train a new character slot on your current acount, up to hauler level. Even if it's just a shoddy Iteron I or Badger Mk 1.
After that you can then have a hauler to move goods in and out, thats seperate from you, on the same account, retains his sec status, and not loose too much training time on your "main". In addition, your friends can scout systems for you to make sure it's safe.
Hopefully I've been of some help -Buch
Edit: Posted at the same time, awesome ---- Nuclear Launch Detected. |
Lasran Tekeal
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Lasran Tekeal on 22/05/2009 14:24:49
Originally by: Buchatar Edited by: Buchatar on 22/05/2009 14:22:28 Howdy! I wont be able to give you a full in-depth answer to keeping yourself sustained in low-sec as I only know small amounts. However what I "have" heard that is useful, is that to have a hauler alt move goods back and forth from high - low sec to keep you rolling. This alt doesn't have to be a new account as it only takes a few hours to train a new character slot on your current acount, up to hauler level. Even if it's just a shoddy Iteron I or Badger Mk 1.
After that you can then have a hauler to move goods in and out, thats seperate from you, on the same account, retains his sec status, and not loose too much training time on your "main". In addition, your friends can scout systems for you to make sure it's safe.
Hopefully I've been of some help -Buch
Edit: Posted at the same time, awesome
Thanks but hauling isn't an issue, its sustaining finances.
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OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:40:00 -
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Ok our problem is not hauling, it's the fact that some of us feel more comfortable in high sec, missions obviously being a big part in this, the income from level 4's is very efficient. Missioning in low sec would be quite a bit innefficient especcially as to do it without getting ganked we'd be splitting it between the 3 of us, and none of us really want to make other accounts to do level 4s, if we were going to pay more real life money we'd just buy ETC's.
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Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:41:00 -
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I have one hauling alt (can haul BC size ships).
I have a jump clone in stain region for ninja ratting (Zealot or Retribution typically). When I need money I go rat in Stain. You don't have to rat in Stain...you can rat in any area of EVE. Problem is just getting your ratter out there when all of EVE is neutral.
Personally I'd say go rat in Sansha space with an Amarr ship. No ammo = you can stay there for a week or two without having to go get ammo. You don't need a T2 ship to rat against silly Sansha either... ---
Put in space whales!
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OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lisento Slaven I have one hauling alt (can haul BC size ships).
I have a jump clone in stain region for ninja ratting (Zealot or Retribution typically). When I need money I go rat in Stain. You don't have to rat in Stain...you can rat in any area of EVE. Problem is just getting your ratter out there when all of EVE is neutral.
Personally I'd say go rat in Sansha space with an Amarr ship. No ammo = you can stay there for a week or two without having to go get ammo. You don't need a T2 ship to rat against silly Sansha either...
How good is the money from low sec ratting, i used to do a bit of ratting in 0.0 but never tried low sec.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:51:00 -
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better than level 4's and more convenient time wise
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Neacail on 22/05/2009 15:00:55 Here's what I do:
I like killing anything and everything I see. I don't (usually) ransom and don't make a real profit out of PvP. I do however, have a station trade alt that makes enough money to fund all my needs. I also use said alt to buy cheap modules and deliver them to low sec where I live.
As that is a new character that can't haul stuff yet (sold my other one), when I buy ships, I usually just make a courier contract for them (collateral a bit over market price, 1% reward) to be delivered in the last high sec system, where I keep a bunch of T1 instabs and warp core stabilizers. It usually takes a couple of hours to get a ship delivered, but after that, getting it into low sec is quite easy.
I also usually only fly cruiser sized ships (sometimes a CS or BC), so when I need to get somewhere, I don't mind going through high sec.
You, however, stated you make money from missions. That is a problem. There are a few things you can do:
- Keep getting sec status up. - Mission in low sec. This will depend on various factors. If you want to do level 4s with battleships, you could just get standings for the same corp and live in a remote low sec systems with agents for it. The rewards are better, and you aren't likely to be found if you don't go for the best agents/corps. You could also do level 5s, which are fun but not really a good source of income if you can't do them with a maximum of 3 people, preferably solo. Even less chances of being found. - Ransom. It works if you all fly T1 ships, but with T2 ones, it'll be very hard to maintain enough income to fund your gangs until you've become very experienced. Ransoming itself isn't easy, because most of the juicy targets will have friends close by or will simply refuse to pay. - Do something else for income. Missions are pretty bad to be honest. Use an alt to try things such as trading or manufacturing. You said you have 1 bil each. I started trading with a similar amount and reached close to 4b in the first month - after that it got easier and easier. Manufacturing is also something worth investing in, even if you don't own any good BPOs (just buy BPCs in bulk from a supplier), as long as you have a character with the proper skills.
Edit; Low sec ratting sucks. Only do it if you want to get sec status up and don't have access to null sec.
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OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Neacail Edited by: Neacail on 22/05/2009 15:00:55 Here's what I do:
I like killing anything and everything I see. I don't (usually) ransom and don't make a real profit out of PvP. I do however, have a station trade alt that makes enough money to fund all my needs. I also use said alt to buy cheap modules and deliver them to low sec where I live.
As that is a new character that can't haul stuff yet (sold my other one), when I buy ships, I usually just make a courier contract for them (collateral a bit over market price, 1% reward) to be delivered in the last high sec system, where I keep a bunch of T1 instabs and warp core stabilizers. It usually takes a couple of hours to get a ship delivered, but after that, getting it into low sec is quite easy.
I also usually only fly cruiser sized ships (sometimes a CS or BC), so when I need to get somewhere, I don't mind going through high sec.
You, however, stated you make money from missions. That is a problem. There are a few things you can do:
- Keep getting sec status up. - Mission in low sec. This will depend on various factors. If you want to do level 4s with battleships, you could just get standings for the same corp and live in a remote low sec systems with agents for it. The rewards are better, and you aren't likely to be found if you don't go for the best agents/corps. You could also do level 5s, which are fun but not really a good source of income if you can't do them with a maximum of 3 people, preferably solo. Even less chances of being found. - Ransom. It works if you all fly T1 ships, but with T2 ones, it'll be very hard to maintain enough income to fund your gangs until you've become very experienced. Ransoming itself isn't easy, because most of the juicy targets will have friends close by or will simply refuse to pay. - Do something else for income. Missions are pretty bad to be honest. Use an alt to try things such as trading or manufacturing. You said you have 1 bil each. I started trading with a similar amount and reached close to 4b in the first month - after that it got easier and easier. Manufacturing is also something worth investing in, even if you don't own any good BPOs (just buy BPCs in bulk from a supplier), as long as you have a character with the proper skills.
Edit; Low sec ratting sucks. Only do it if you want to get sec status up and don't have access to null sec.
Interesting ideas, thanks very much for the advice, one more question though... How exactly does trading as a proffesion work? :P It's the one aspect of eve i know very little about.
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR Interesting ideas, thanks very much for the advice, one more question though... How exactly does trading as a proffesion work? :P It's the one aspect of eve i know very little about.
I do station trading with many fast moving, low profit margin items, and a few slow moving, high profit ones. I also 'smuggle' drugs to be sold in places where they usually can't be found.
For station trading, all you have to do is place a buy order for an item that has a decent profit (compare what you're gonna pay with the lowest sell orders, taking into account tax and broker's fee), wait for it to fill, then put it back in the market. Do this with a hundred or so different items, and you're good to go.
Of course you also have to figure out whether the profit margin is worth the wait (some stuff give only like 5% but will sell very quickly, while others give 20%+ but are pretty slow to move) or not. And most of the time, despite having dozens of orders set up, only a handful of them are making over 80% of your income. Basically, it comes with experience and knowledge.
You can also try moving stuff around for bigger profits. A good example would be mission running stuff bought in Jita to be sold in Motsu. You don't need to haul them yourself, just make courier contracts, the reward doesn't need to be too high (as I said do 1% of the collateral) and they are accepted within minutes.
I find trading quite easy. You don't need to invest a lot of time (depends on where and how you do it), and with an alt doing it, you can constantly update your orders while you wait for your hourly dose of yarr.
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Th0rG0d
Pilots From Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
Interesting ideas, thanks very much for the advice, one more question though... How exactly does trading as a proffesion work? :P It's the one aspect of eve i know very little about.
Market research will probably be the most work you have to do. Don't forget, markets fluctuate as well, so as soon as you notice your margins sliding, it's back to research. Hopefully, you will be able to anticipate and make the changes before it slides out of hand.
On the other hand, I am really surprised at the quality of this thread & replies
Originally by: Clementina I regard recommending WoW to be a grave matter. That game somehow causes brain damage, and therefore should only be recommended to those who have brain damage already.[/qu |
Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
How good is the money from low sec ratting, i used to do a bit of ratting in 0.0 but never tried low sec.
From low-sec ratting I would say not significantly better. With a decent amount of belts you could probably make between 200k - 2 mil every 15 minutes not counting loot or possible faction spawns. That is an estimate mind you. All I know is once I get a system chained up in Stain I'm rolling in 8 - 14 mil every 15 minutes. I usually don't loot either unless it's a faction spawn. ---
Put in space whales!
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Agarwaen Macil
Caldari Est Deus In Nobis
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:31:00 -
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I'm a big fan of jump clones personally. Not that jump clones make you money, but they give the opportunity to if you set them up in the right areas. All 4 of mine are just placed into different pockets of low sec (and I keep ships and modules stashed with each). If I don't like the prospects in one area one day I can take a gander at the map and just hop to an area that looks more promising, instead of traveling however many jumps. If you needed to really make money though on that same account and piracy wasn't doing it for you, you could do as suggested here and set a jump clone up in a quiet corner of null sec, or you could even set one up in say Jita 4-4. You could have -10 sec status, jump into your clone in Jita, do a bunch of station trading (you use wide range buy and sell orders to move goods without ever undocking), and then hop right back into low sec once you've made your isk; all without ever leaving a station.
Really there are all sorts of ways to make isk with bad sec status. If you are particularly nefarious you can run scams (with alts, or courier scams if those still work these days), you can rat in null sec, mission in low sec, trade in high sec. You have friends, so you could just buy, scam, or whatever T1 BPOs for modules or ships you needed, and get into manufacturing what you need yourself. Of course, that would require a lot of mining too. If you really wanted to be adventurous, you and your friends could try running a business or service of sorts out of low sec (assuming you are good enough to make it work, and could find the clients); guns for hire, logistics, protection, almost anything you could think of.
Personally, I just took the easy way out and made a second account. I use him as a trader, because he conveniently ends up with a skill set useful to my more nefarious main, haulers and freighters. He can move anything I could possibly need with a Charon and a Crane, several times over. The rest of the time I can just keep a client open on the side and keep a casual eye on his trading while I have all the real fun on this character.
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: T***G0d On the other hand, I am really surprised at the quality of this thread & replies
Most of the C&P posts people warn you about are there because of threads made with the intent to troll, brag (where bragging isn't due), or are otherwise plain annoying, containing things such as wall of texts, broken english, questions that could easily be answered with a bit of research, lack of purpose, etc.
When threads don't fall into the above categories, like this one, we actually post relevant stuff.
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OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Neacail Edited by: Neacail on 22/05/2009 15:38:13
Originally by: T***G0d On the other hand, I am really surprised at the quality of this thread & replies
Most of the C&P posts people warn you about are there because of threads made with the intent to troll (or look like so), brag (where bragging isn't due), or are otherwise plain annoying, containing things such as wall of texts, broken english, questions that could easily be answered with a bit of research, lack of purpose, etc.
When threads don't fall into the above categories, like this one, we actually post relevant stuff.
If you feel uncomfortable you can start trolling each other now XD you... you... **** kidney you.
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Lasran Tekeal
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lasran Tekeal on 22/05/2009 15:46:02 Edited by: Lasran Tekeal on 22/05/2009 15:45:51 >:(
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Robot Robot
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Posted - 2009.05.22 16:30:00 -
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Exploration.
Decent money to be made in low-sec radars and combat sites.
plus you don't need positive security standing to go into a WH from time to time and kill some sleepers for their tags.
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Varesk
Gallente Letiferi Praedones
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Posted - 2009.05.22 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Robot Robot Exploration.
Decent money to be made in low-sec radars and combat sites.
plus you don't need positive security standing to go into a WH from time to time and kill some sleepers for their tags.
this.
you can make enough to keep your hanger full of ships.
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Laedy
NQX Innovations The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.22 17:33:00 -
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Yeah, plexes and exploration sites in low-sec can be great for providing that bit of extra cash.
If you don't have high sec alt, and you absolutely NEED to keep your sec status intact, do the following:
As you are going on roams and looking for targets, make sure to kill at least one BS or BC rat in every system you run through. And just don't pod people. EVER. This should keep you above being flashy for quitea while.
Letting it all go and getting to -10 is a very liberating feeling though. Then you just don't care anymore. IMO, make the effort to invest in some ISK-making and hauler high sec alts, and let your pirate character be free !
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.22 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Laedy Letting it all go and getting to -10 is a very liberating feeling though. Then you just don't care anymore. IMO, make the effort to invest in some ISK-making and hauler high sec alts, and let your pirate character be free !
QFT.
My first goal after I've decided to go -10 with my current main (less than a week ago) is to get at least 50 people with kill rights on me. After that I'll go for 150 pod kills.
Freedom feels good.
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Spectre3353
Gallente The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.05.22 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: T***G0d On the other hand, I am really surprised at the quality of this thread & replies
Let me see what I can do to ruin that. I have lived in lowsec pretty much since the first month or two I started playing Eve. I currently have a few hundred million ISK and way more than that in assets sitting in my hangar (like 15 ships and several hundred modules/drones/whatever). The ways I have made money to be able to afford these things:
- Beg rich people in game. This works sometimes. - Beg rich in your blog. This also works sometimes. - Make friends with rich people and hope they emoragequit and give you their stuff. I have made more money off this than anything (thanks GH!) - Ransom your victims. - Sell the loot from your kills.
Other ways I hear about other pirates making their money:
- Do exploration sites. - Rat (0.0 and lowsec are both now viable). - Make a mission alt. - Make a trade alt. - Scam in a trade hub. ----- The Python Cartel - My Pirate Blog |
CrimsonLobo
Caldari Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.05.22 18:40:00 -
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I beg and sell my body for ISK
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Pian Shu
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Quantum Star Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.22 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR Missioning in low sec would be quite a bit innefficient especcially as to do it without getting ganked
I find it rather ironic that you plan to be "gankers" and are worried about getting "ganked". I also find it hilarious.
Honestly, a group of guys can run missions in ganky ships quite efficiently, just drop a little of the tackling gear and add ... whatever makes sense for your ship type; loyalty points and rewards are quite a bit greater in low-sec. You would be running them faster than any of you individually and you have the chance of a target warping in on you -- one who actually wants to fight. Isn't that what you want?
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.05.22 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: arbiter reborn on 22/05/2009 18:53:56 even with a 97% efficiancy i dont make enough isk from pvp to fund my pvp, thats even with all the faction loot ive been getting of late.
tbh get an invention alt or start doing it yourself, alternetivly you could run lowsec missions, or rat in 0.0
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa.
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Posted - 2009.05.22 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Pian Shu
Originally by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR Missioning in low sec would be quite a bit innefficient especcially as to do it without getting ganked
I find it rather ironic that you plan to be "gankers" and are worried about getting "ganked". I also find it hilarious.
Honestly, a group of guys can run missions in ganky ships quite efficiently, just drop a little of the tackling gear and add ... whatever makes sense for your ship type; loyalty points and rewards are quite a bit greater in low-sec. You would be running them faster than any of you individually and you have the chance of a target warping in on you -- one who actually wants to fight. Isn't that what you want?
im guessing its because mission fits SUCKS to fight other players in...
i make isk these ways: opportunistic ratting trading manufacturing science
all done remotely from my pvp char in low sec :) (hint: use curier contracts and train remote skills) ofc, my alts add some extra income, but the point is, you can do all of it on 1 char. -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze crystals for Amarr!
Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail.
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Lord Zekk
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.05.22 19:17:00 -
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I only do a bit of pirating and I keep my sec status a bit better than -2.0 so that I can get into high sec whenever I need to. Ratting however is a pain. I once podded someone and it took me a week of ratting in a frig to get back into high sec.
I hate spending time making ISK as the pew pew is the part of EVE I like the most. I started a trade alt and I make a enough ISK to pay for ships up to T2 fit T1 cruisers and T2 frigs. I manage all this with a lot less ISK for capital than you guys have. A bil isk is a good amount to trade with.
The Tuskers are a very good bunch of pirates in a smallish-mid size pie corp that live in VV. Try talking to them. Ka Jolo, Wensley, Ronan, are a few of their members that might help you guys out with info and you could even join up with them if you'll are interested. The last time I checked you needed to have 5 solo kills, 2 of which needed to be of ship that was above your class. ie. kiling a t1 cruiser/t2 frig in a t1 frig.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.22 21:02:00 -
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If you know how to watch your scanner, missioning in lowsec is fine.
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Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.22 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Zekk I only do a bit of pirating and I keep my sec status a bit better than -2.0 so that I can get into high sec whenever I need to. Ratting however is a pain. I once podded someone and it took me a week of ratting in a frig to get back into high sec.
For anyone who is not aware of this (not sure if Lord Zekk is), the fastest way to fix your sec status is:
1. Find a crappy pipe/pocket of systems that no one cares about 2. Hop belts looking for high bounty NPC 3. Kill high bounty NPC 4. Go to the next system in the pipe/pocket 5. Repeat search & destroy of high bounty NPC
You get a sec hit every 15 minutes...per system. So each system has its own individual 15 minute timer. The amount of sec gain you get is based on the bounty/difficulty of the NPC you kill. Note - you only get 1 sec hit per system, per 15 minutes, so it is pointless to kill more then 1 NPC per system.
This is really easy to do in Stain/Esoteria/Sansha space. Grab a retribution or any AF and you will get past most camps or at the very least stay alive. My retribution can tank and kill up to 1.5 mil spawns (takes a few mins to pop a BS). But when you're fixing your sec status...that's all that matters.
Could also do it in a HAC if you're willing to risk the money. ---
Put in space whales!
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Lexa Hellfury
SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.05.22 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: CrimsonLobo I beg and sell my body for ISK
Wow, AXE have really stooped to lowsec, eh?
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