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OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:16:00 -
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Ok so me an 2 friends are currently doing what could be called diet-pirating, or as i like to call it, piddling around like C***tmuffins. Anyway some of us are finding it hard to make that permanent move to low sec, right now what we tend to do is stop before our sec status gets to low and we mission to get up. Missioning is probably our main problem for one of us missioning is our main form of income, and we have about a billion isk each, and are all at, or close to HAC level.
So my main questiobn is how DO you make a living in low sec? i've read pirating guides etc etc, and i know about ransoming, is that REALLY the main form of income? We left our 0.0 alliance because we wanted a stronger sense of freedom, and i can't help that my groups constant fear or not being able to mission and make money, while understandable, is the exact opposite of freedom.
So can anyone give me any tips? Thanks in advance. 
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CanIHave YourStuff
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:21:00 -
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I'm going to assume most pies have alts to do their dirty hi-sec work
Other than that you can run missions in low sec.. if you are an 'organised' hac gang you should be able to manage this as a team.
I wouldn't have a clue about consistent income from piracy.
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Buchatar
Caldari
Gygax Legion
Red Dwarf Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Buchatar on 22/05/2009 14:22:28
Howdy!
I wont be able to give you a full in-depth answer to keeping yourself sustained in low-sec as I only know small amounts. However what I "have" heard that is useful, is that to have a hauler alt move goods back and forth from high - low sec to keep you rolling.
This alt doesn't have to be a new account as it only takes a few hours to train a new character slot on your current acount, up to hauler level. Even if it's just a shoddy Iteron I or Badger Mk 1.
After that you can then have a hauler to move goods in and out, thats seperate from you, on the same account, retains his sec status, and not loose too much training time on your "main". In addition, your friends can scout systems for you to make sure it's safe.
Hopefully I've been of some help
-Buch
Edit: Posted at the same time, awesome
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Lasran Tekeal
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Lasran Tekeal on 22/05/2009 14:24:49
 Originally by: Buchatar
Edited by: Buchatar on 22/05/2009 14:22:28
Howdy!
I wont be able to give you a full in-depth answer to keeping yourself sustained in low-sec as I only know small amounts. However what I "have" heard that is useful, is that to have a hauler alt move goods back and forth from high - low sec to keep you rolling.
This alt doesn't have to be a new account as it only takes a few hours to train a new character slot on your current acount, up to hauler level. Even if it's just a shoddy Iteron I or Badger Mk 1.
After that you can then have a hauler to move goods in and out, thats seperate from you, on the same account, retains his sec status, and not loose too much training time on your "main". In addition, your friends can scout systems for you to make sure it's safe.
Hopefully I've been of some help
-Buch
Edit: Posted at the same time, awesome
Thanks but hauling isn't an issue, its sustaining finances. 
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OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:40:00 -
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Ok our problem is not hauling, it's the fact that some of us feel more comfortable in high sec, missions obviously being a big part in this, the income from level 4's is very efficient. Missioning in low sec would be quite a bit innefficient especcially as to do it without getting ganked we'd be splitting it between the 3 of us, and none of us really want to make other accounts to do level 4s, if we were going to pay more real life money we'd just buy ETC's.
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Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:41:00 -
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I have one hauling alt (can haul BC size ships).
I have a jump clone in stain region for ninja ratting (Zealot or Retribution typically). When I need money I go rat in Stain. You don't have to rat in Stain...you can rat in any area of EVE. Problem is just getting your ratter out there when all of EVE is neutral.
Personally I'd say go rat in Sansha space with an Amarr ship. No ammo = you can stay there for a week or two without having to go get ammo. You don't need a T2 ship to rat against silly Sansha either...
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OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lisento Slaven
I have one hauling alt (can haul BC size ships).
I have a jump clone in stain region for ninja ratting (Zealot or Retribution typically). When I need money I go rat in Stain. You don't have to rat in Stain...you can rat in any area of EVE. Problem is just getting your ratter out there when all of EVE is neutral.
Personally I'd say go rat in Sansha space with an Amarr ship. No ammo = you can stay there for a week or two without having to go get ammo. You don't need a T2 ship to rat against silly Sansha either...
How good is the money from low sec ratting, i used to do a bit of ratting in 0.0 but never tried low sec.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.05.22 14:51:00 -
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better than level 4's and more convenient time wise
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Neacail on 22/05/2009 15:00:55
Here's what I do:
I like killing anything and everything I see. I don't (usually) ransom and don't make a real profit out of PvP. I do however, have a station trade alt that makes enough money to fund all my needs. I also use said alt to buy cheap modules and deliver them to low sec where I live.
As that is a new character that can't haul stuff yet (sold my other one), when I buy ships, I usually just make a courier contract for them (collateral a bit over market price, 1% reward) to be delivered in the last high sec system, where I keep a bunch of T1 instabs and warp core stabilizers. It usually takes a couple of hours to get a ship delivered, but after that, getting it into low sec is quite easy.
I also usually only fly cruiser sized ships (sometimes a CS or BC), so when I need to get somewhere, I don't mind going through high sec.
You, however, stated you make money from missions. That is a problem. There are a few things you can do:
- Keep getting sec status up.
- Mission in low sec. This will depend on various factors. If you want to do level 4s with battleships, you could just get standings for the same corp and live in a remote low sec systems with agents for it. The rewards are better, and you aren't likely to be found if you don't go for the best agents/corps. You could also do level 5s, which are fun but not really a good source of income if you can't do them with a maximum of 3 people, preferably solo. Even less chances of being found.
- Ransom. It works if you all fly T1 ships, but with T2 ones, it'll be very hard to maintain enough income to fund your gangs until you've become very experienced. Ransoming itself isn't easy, because most of the juicy targets will have friends close by or will simply refuse to pay.
- Do something else for income. Missions are pretty bad to be honest. Use an alt to try things such as trading or manufacturing. You said you have 1 bil each. I started trading with a similar amount and reached close to 4b in the first month - after that it got easier and easier. Manufacturing is also something worth investing in, even if you don't own any good BPOs (just buy BPCs in bulk from a supplier), as long as you have a character with the proper skills.
Edit; Low sec ratting sucks. Only do it if you want to get sec status up and don't have access to null sec.
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OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Neacail
Edited by: Neacail on 22/05/2009 15:00:55
Here's what I do:
I like killing anything and everything I see. I don't (usually) ransom and don't make a real profit out of PvP. I do however, have a station trade alt that makes enough money to fund all my needs. I also use said alt to buy cheap modules and deliver them to low sec where I live.
As that is a new character that can't haul stuff yet (sold my other one), when I buy ships, I usually just make a courier contract for them (collateral a bit over market price, 1% reward) to be delivered in the last high sec system, where I keep a bunch of T1 instabs and warp core stabilizers. It usually takes a couple of hours to get a ship delivered, but after that, getting it into low sec is quite easy.
I also usually only fly cruiser sized ships (sometimes a CS or BC), so when I need to get somewhere, I don't mind going through high sec.
You, however, stated you make money from missions. That is a problem. There are a few things you can do:
- Keep getting sec status up.
- Mission in low sec. This will depend on various factors. If you want to do level 4s with battleships, you could just get standings for the same corp and live in a remote low sec systems with agents for it. The rewards are better, and you aren't likely to be found if you don't go for the best agents/corps. You could also do level 5s, which are fun but not really a good source of income if you can't do them with a maximum of 3 people, preferably solo. Even less chances of being found.
- Ransom. It works if you all fly T1 ships, but with T2 ones, it'll be very hard to maintain enough income to fund your gangs until you've become very experienced. Ransoming itself isn't easy, because most of the juicy targets will have friends close by or will simply refuse to pay.
- Do something else for income. Missions are pretty bad to be honest. Use an alt to try things such as trading or manufacturing. You said you have 1 bil each. I started trading with a similar amount and reached close to 4b in the first month - after that it got easier and easier. Manufacturing is also something worth investing in, even if you don't own any good BPOs (just buy BPCs in bulk from a supplier), as long as you have a character with the proper skills.
Edit; Low sec ratting sucks. Only do it if you want to get sec status up and don't have access to null sec.
Interesting ideas, thanks very much for the advice, one more question though... How exactly does trading as a proffesion work? :P It's the one aspect of eve i know very little about. 
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
Interesting ideas, thanks very much for the advice, one more question though... How exactly does trading as a proffesion work? :P It's the one aspect of eve i know very little about.
I do station trading with many fast moving, low profit margin items, and a few slow moving, high profit ones. I also 'smuggle' drugs to be sold in places where they usually can't be found.
For station trading, all you have to do is place a buy order for an item that has a decent profit (compare what you're gonna pay with the lowest sell orders, taking into account tax and broker's fee), wait for it to fill, then put it back in the market. Do this with a hundred or so different items, and you're good to go.
Of course you also have to figure out whether the profit margin is worth the wait (some stuff give only like 5% but will sell very quickly, while others give 20%+ but are pretty slow to move) or not. And most of the time, despite having dozens of orders set up, only a handful of them are making over 80% of your income. Basically, it comes with experience and knowledge.
You can also try moving stuff around for bigger profits. A good example would be mission running stuff bought in Jita to be sold in Motsu. You don't need to haul them yourself, just make courier contracts, the reward doesn't need to be too high (as I said do 1% of the collateral) and they are accepted within minutes.
I find trading quite easy. You don't need to invest a lot of time (depends on where and how you do it), and with an alt doing it, you can constantly update your orders while you wait for your hourly dose of yarr.
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Th0rG0d
Pilots From Honour
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
Interesting ideas, thanks very much for the advice, one more question though... How exactly does trading as a proffesion work? :P It's the one aspect of eve i know very little about.
Market research will probably be the most work you have to do. Don't forget, markets fluctuate as well, so as soon as you notice your margins sliding, it's back to research. Hopefully, you will be able to anticipate and make the changes before it slides out of hand.
On the other hand, I am really surprised at the quality of this thread & replies
Originally by: Clementina
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Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
How good is the money from low sec ratting, i used to do a bit of ratting in 0.0 but never tried low sec.
From low-sec ratting I would say not significantly better. With a decent amount of belts you could probably make between 200k - 2 mil every 15 minutes not counting loot or possible faction spawns. That is an estimate mind you. All I know is once I get a system chained up in Stain I'm rolling in 8 - 14 mil every 15 minutes. I usually don't loot either unless it's a faction spawn.
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Agarwaen Macil
Caldari
Est Deus In Nobis
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:31:00 -
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I'm a big fan of jump clones personally. Not that jump clones make you money, but they give the opportunity to if you set them up in the right areas. All 4 of mine are just placed into different pockets of low sec (and I keep ships and modules stashed with each). If I don't like the prospects in one area one day I can take a gander at the map and just hop to an area that looks more promising, instead of traveling however many jumps. If you needed to really make money though on that same account and piracy wasn't doing it for you, you could do as suggested here and set a jump clone up in a quiet corner of null sec, or you could even set one up in say Jita 4-4. You could have -10 sec status, jump into your clone in Jita, do a bunch of station trading (you use wide range buy and sell orders to move goods without ever undocking), and then hop right back into low sec once you've made your isk; all without ever leaving a station.
Really there are all sorts of ways to make isk with bad sec status. If you are particularly nefarious you can run scams (with alts, or courier scams if those still work these days), you can rat in null sec, mission in low sec, trade in high sec. You have friends, so you could just buy, scam, or whatever T1 BPOs for modules or ships you needed, and get into manufacturing what you need yourself. Of course, that would require a lot of mining too. If you really wanted to be adventurous, you and your friends could try running a business or service of sorts out of low sec (assuming you are good enough to make it work, and could find the clients); guns for hire, logistics, protection, almost anything you could think of.
Personally, I just took the easy way out and made a second account. I use him as a trader, because he conveniently ends up with a skill set useful to my more nefarious main, haulers and freighters. He can move anything I could possibly need with a Charon and a Crane, several times over. The rest of the time I can just keep a client open on the side and keep a casual eye on his trading while I have all the real fun on this character.
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: T***G0d
On the other hand, I am really surprised at the quality of this thread & replies
Most of the C&P posts people warn you about are there because of threads made with the intent to troll, brag (where bragging isn't due), or are otherwise plain annoying, containing things such as wall of texts, broken english, questions that could easily be answered with a bit of research, lack of purpose, etc.
When threads don't fall into the above categories, like this one, we actually post relevant stuff.
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OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Neacail
Edited by: Neacail on 22/05/2009 15:38:13
Originally by: T***G0d
On the other hand, I am really surprised at the quality of this thread & replies
Most of the C&P posts people warn you about are there because of threads made with the intent to troll (or look like so), brag (where bragging isn't due), or are otherwise plain annoying, containing things such as wall of texts, broken english, questions that could easily be answered with a bit of research, lack of purpose, etc.
When threads don't fall into the above categories, like this one, we actually post relevant stuff.
If you feel uncomfortable you can start trolling each other now XD you... you... **** kidney you.
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Lasran Tekeal
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Posted - 2009.05.22 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lasran Tekeal on 22/05/2009 15:46:02
Edited by: Lasran Tekeal on 22/05/2009 15:45:51
>:(
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Robot Robot
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Posted - 2009.05.22 16:30:00 -
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Exploration.
Decent money to be made in low-sec radars and combat sites.
plus you don't need positive security standing to go into a WH from time to time and kill some sleepers for their tags.
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Varesk
Gallente
Letiferi Praedones
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Posted - 2009.05.22 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Robot Robot
Exploration.
Decent money to be made in low-sec radars and combat sites.
plus you don't need positive security standing to go into a WH from time to time and kill some sleepers for their tags.
this.
you can make enough to keep your hanger full of ships.
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Laedy
NQX Innovations
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.22 17:33:00 -
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Yeah, plexes and exploration sites in low-sec can be great for providing that bit of extra cash.
If you don't have high sec alt, and you absolutely NEED to keep your sec status intact, do the following:
As you are going on roams and looking for targets, make sure to kill at least one BS or BC rat in every system you run through. And just don't pod people. EVER. This should keep you above being flashy for quitea while.
Letting it all go and getting to -10 is a very liberating feeling though. Then you just don't care anymore. IMO, make the effort to invest in some ISK-making and hauler high sec alts, and let your pirate character be free !
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Neacail
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Posted - 2009.05.22 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Laedy
Letting it all go and getting to -10 is a very liberating feeling though. Then you just don't care anymore. IMO, make the effort to invest in some ISK-making and hauler high sec alts, and let your pirate character be free !
QFT.
My first goal after I've decided to go -10 with my current main (less than a week ago) is to get at least 50 people with kill rights on me. After that I'll go for 150 pod kills.
Freedom feels good.
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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.05.22 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: T***G0d
On the other hand, I am really surprised at the quality of this thread & replies
Let me see what I can do to ruin that. I have lived in lowsec pretty much since the first month or two I started playing Eve. I currently have a few hundred million ISK and way more than that in assets sitting in my hangar (like 15 ships and several hundred modules/drones/whatever). The ways I have made money to be able to afford these things:
- Beg rich people in game. This works sometimes.
- Beg rich in your blog. This also works sometimes.
- Make friends with rich people and hope they emoragequit and give you their stuff. I have made more money off this than anything (thanks GH!)
- Ransom your victims.
- Sell the loot from your kills.
Other ways I hear about other pirates making their money:
- Do exploration sites.
- Rat (0.0 and lowsec are both now viable).
- Make a mission alt.
- Make a trade alt.
- Scam in a trade hub.
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CrimsonLobo
Caldari
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.05.22 18:40:00 -
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I beg and sell my body for ISK
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Pian Shu
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Quantum Star Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.22 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
Missioning in low sec would be quite a bit innefficient especcially as to do it without getting ganked
I find it rather ironic that you plan to be "gankers" and are worried about getting "ganked". I also find it hilarious.
Honestly, a group of guys can run missions in ganky ships quite efficiently, just drop a little of the tackling gear and add ... whatever makes sense for your ship type; loyalty points and rewards are quite a bit greater in low-sec. You would be running them faster than any of you individually and you have the chance of a target warping in on you -- one who actually wants to fight. Isn't that what you want?
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.05.22 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: arbiter reborn on 22/05/2009 18:53:56
even with a 97% efficiancy i dont make enough isk from pvp to fund my pvp, thats even with all the faction loot ive been getting of late.
tbh get an invention alt or start doing it yourself, alternetivly you could run lowsec missions, or rat in 0.0
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adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
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Posted - 2009.05.22 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Pian Shu
Originally by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
Missioning in low sec would be quite a bit innefficient especcially as to do it without getting ganked
I find it rather ironic that you plan to be "gankers" and are worried about getting "ganked". I also find it hilarious.
Honestly, a group of guys can run missions in ganky ships quite efficiently, just drop a little of the tackling gear and add ... whatever makes sense for your ship type; loyalty points and rewards are quite a bit greater in low-sec. You would be running them faster than any of you individually and you have the chance of a target warping in on you -- one who actually wants to fight. Isn't that what you want?
im guessing its because mission fits SUCKS to fight other players in...
i make isk these ways:
opportunistic ratting
trading
manufacturing
science
all done remotely from my pvp char in low sec :) (hint: use curier contracts and train remote skills) ofc, my alts add some extra income, but the point is, you can do all of it on 1 char.
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Lord Zekk
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.05.22 19:17:00 -
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I only do a bit of pirating and I keep my sec status a bit better than -2.0 so that I can get into high sec whenever I need to. Ratting however is a pain. I once podded someone and it took me a week of ratting in a frig to get back into high sec.
I hate spending time making ISK as the pew pew is the part of EVE I like the most. I started a trade alt and I make a enough ISK to pay for ships up to T2 fit T1 cruisers and T2 frigs. I manage all this with a lot less ISK for capital than you guys have. A bil isk is a good amount to trade with.
The Tuskers are a very good bunch of pirates in a smallish-mid size pie corp that live in VV. Try talking to them. Ka Jolo, Wensley, Ronan, are a few of their members that might help you guys out with info and you could even join up with them if you'll are interested. The last time I checked you needed to have 5 solo kills, 2 of which needed to be of ship that was above your class. ie. kiling a t1 cruiser/t2 frig in a t1 frig.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.22 21:02:00 -
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If you know how to watch your scanner, missioning in lowsec is fine.
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Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.05.22 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Zekk
I only do a bit of pirating and I keep my sec status a bit better than -2.0 so that I can get into high sec whenever I need to. Ratting however is a pain. I once podded someone and it took me a week of ratting in a frig to get back into high sec.
For anyone who is not aware of this (not sure if Lord Zekk is), the fastest way to fix your sec status is:
1. Find a crappy pipe/pocket of systems that no one cares about
2. Hop belts looking for high bounty NPC
3. Kill high bounty NPC
4. Go to the next system in the pipe/pocket
5. Repeat search & destroy of high bounty NPC
You get a sec hit every 15 minutes...per system. So each system has its own individual 15 minute timer. The amount of sec gain you get is based on the bounty/difficulty of the NPC you kill. Note - you only get 1 sec hit per system, per 15 minutes, so it is pointless to kill more then 1 NPC per system.
This is really easy to do in Stain/Esoteria/Sansha space. Grab a retribution or any AF and you will get past most camps or at the very least stay alive. My retribution can tank and kill up to 1.5 mil spawns (takes a few mins to pop a BS). But when you're fixing your sec status...that's all that matters.
Could also do it in a HAC if you're willing to risk the money.
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Lexa Hellfury
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.05.22 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: CrimsonLobo
I beg and sell my body for ISK
Wow, AXE have really stooped to lowsec, eh? 
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Lord Zekk
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lisento Slaven
Originally by: Lord Zekk
I only do a bit of pirating and I keep my sec status a bit better than -2.0 so that I can get into high sec whenever I need to. Ratting however is a pain. I once podded someone and it took me a week of ratting in a frig to get back into high sec.
For anyone who is not aware of this (not sure if Lord Zekk is), the fastest way to fix your sec status is:
1. Find a crappy pipe/pocket of systems that no one cares about
2. Hop belts looking for high bounty NPC
3. Kill high bounty NPC
4. Go to the next system in the pipe/pocket
5. Repeat search & destroy of high bounty NPC
You get a sec hit every 15 minutes...per system. So each system has its own individual 15 minute timer. The amount of sec gain you get is based on the bounty/difficulty of the NPC you kill. Note - you only get 1 sec hit per system, per 15 minutes, so it is pointless to kill more then 1 NPC per system.
This is really easy to do in Stain/Esoteria/Sansha space. Grab a retribution or any AF and you will get past most camps or at the very least stay alive. My retribution can tank and kill up to 1.5 mil spawns (takes a few mins to pop a BS). But when you're fixing your sec status...that's all that matters.
Could also do it in a HAC if you're willing to risk the money.
Thanks a lot. I didn't know that. No wonder it took so long slogging away in the same system belt after belt. I would easily have run 3 systems killed 1 BS in each system and moved on. By the time I'm done in the 3rd or 4th system 15 min will up and I can rinse and repeat.
You sir are a life saver!
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Varesk
Gallente
Letiferi Praedones
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Zekk
Originally by: Lisento Slaven
Originally by: Lord Zekk
I only do a bit of pirating and I keep my sec status a bit better than -2.0 so that I can get into high sec whenever I need to. Ratting however is a pain. I once podded someone and it took me a week of ratting in a frig to get back into high sec.
For anyone who is not aware of this (not sure if Lord Zekk is), the fastest way to fix your sec status is:
1. Find a crappy pipe/pocket of systems that no one cares about
2. Hop belts looking for high bounty NPC
3. Kill high bounty NPC
4. Go to the next system in the pipe/pocket
5. Repeat search & destroy of high bounty NPC
You get a sec hit every 15 minutes...per system. So each system has its own individual 15 minute timer. The amount of sec gain you get is based on the bounty/difficulty of the NPC you kill. Note - you only get 1 sec hit per system, per 15 minutes, so it is pointless to kill more then 1 NPC per system.
This is really easy to do in Stain/Esoteria/Sansha space. Grab a retribution or any AF and you will get past most camps or at the very least stay alive. My retribution can tank and kill up to 1.5 mil spawns (takes a few mins to pop a BS). But when you're fixing your sec status...that's all that matters.
Could also do it in a HAC if you're willing to risk the money.
Thanks a lot. I didn't know that. No wonder it took so long slogging away in the same system belt after belt. I would easily have run 3 systems killed 1 BS in each system and moved on. By the time I'm done in the 3rd or 4th system 15 min will up and I can rinse and repeat.
You sir are a life saver!
It also helps to train fast talk to 3 or 4.
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Misanth
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.22 22:50:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
If you know how to watch your scanner, missioning in lowsec is fine.
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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.05.22 23:11:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
If you know how to watch your scanner, missioning in lowsec is fine.
Knowing how is easy. Actually having the motivation to click that stupid scan button every 15 seconds for an hour is another thing entirely. Carpal tunnel anyone?
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Misanth
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.22 23:13:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Spectre3353
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
If you know how to watch your scanner, missioning in lowsec is fine.
Knowing how is easy. Actually having the motivation to click that stupid scan button every 15 seconds for an hour is another thing entirely. Carpal tunnel anyone?
That's what cloaky alts on the acceleration gate is for.
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.05.22 23:21:00 -
[36]
I generally just steal **** from our corp hangar, spin my ships for a bit and log off.
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Leviathan9
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.05.22 23:49:00 -
[37]
I make my isk from pirating, loot drops and ransoms.
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
Vort3x.
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Posted - 2009.05.23 00:05:00 -
[38]
I invested 3 bil in an alt which I keep on the same account, means he can mission run while my main doesn't worry about sec status. He also hauls for me.
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Quani
Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.23 01:20:00 -
[39]
If you are in a half way decent pirate corp you should be able to kill enough stuff to get enough loot to cover losses no problem. I have been living in low-sec as a pirate for 3 years and have never run out of isk.
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Tommy TwoFingers
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Posted - 2009.05.23 02:06:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Tommy TwoFingers on 23/05/2009 02:06:46
Living in low sec is a lot easyier than most people believe. Myself and pretty much everybody I have played with for the last 3/4 years have always lived in low sec or null sec. I moved out 3 weeks into the game in 05 in amamake.
Making money is easy enough, low sec exploration is fairly profitable. You can make 4/500 mil+ from certain sites. If it is only 3 of you moving out piracy will be more profitable for you as your only splitting 3 ways.
Setting up near near a 0.0 entrance is a good idea if your worried about keeping your sec status enough even to go into 0.5. Find a nice quite system 1/2 jumps off any main pipes or routes and setup base there.
You will find in low sec that gangs tend to be very localized and you will learn which systems to watch out for and which you will get a good fight in.
Edit - Wrong toon
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Lana Hellfury
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.05.23 02:24:00 -
[41]
The only tip I have is for the love of god don't take the BMW down the local shops when you run out of milk.. Get a second cheap car and use that... (For those paying attention this is actually relevant)
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.23 07:21:00 -
[42]
Lotta people, I suspect, dabble in Low Sec and live in Emp.
For instance you might started Wormholing in Low in the same constellation for a while.
Going about your buisness and generally not annoying anyone then "Oh look, an Itty 5...", or "man that pipe is NEVER camped it seems, hmmm", or "that jackass in Local hasnt stfup all week and we need to kill him horribly", etc.
You make a couple friends and before you know it you got a sensor boosted HIC and RR Domi and Mega camp mashing everything you can. That 5.2 you had becomes like 1.3 in a half an hour and you're like wtf.
It's like crack or something. Now you gotta go mission or rat to raise it up again. Why? So you can do it again next time. 
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.23 08:12:00 -
[43]
Simple: alts. -10 pirate main, carebear/hauler/covops alt farming highsec level 4s in a Golem and bringing in replacement ships. It's the best of both worlds, all the easy ISK from highsec, and no worrying about sec status on my main.
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Adeptus mecanicus
Caldari
The Flaming Sideburn's
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Posted - 2009.05.23 08:32:00 -
[44]
ratting and blowing ppl up both drop loot and you can sell the good stuff and melt the lesser to use in new ships and ammo.
tho if you care about security then ofcorse you have a hard time since you need skill up your social skills and do the "cant pew pew need to sort sec" speech
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.05.23 23:48:00 -
[45]
I have a super low-skillpoint ninja salvager alt. Because I'm a filthy thief.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.24 00:38:00 -
[46]
Dyspro moons.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
it does get progressively longer.
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Colonel Cornbread
Minmatar
Subnet Syndicate
Binary Brotherhood
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Posted - 2009.05.24 03:17:00 -
[47]
i kill people
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Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.24 04:07:00 -
[48]
I think it would probably be easiest to get a JC out to 0.0 and rat there.
If you know what you are doing, and what times are safest to rat, it is easy money , minimal effort, and you are still pewpewing, technically, while you do it.
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Vynce Neil
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Posted - 2009.05.24 07:19:00 -
[49]
Ransoming people works ok. If you're working in a small gnag (i think you said 2), ransom HAC, Recon, Commandship pilots(my fav), Marauders, faction anything. Could net a nice profit. Ransoming T1 ships doesnt work so well as most people wont pay because insurance covers their loss. Always try to ransom a pod though if it's a year or more old, as it probably has implants.
Best way though: Trading. Find a pirate mecca. Bring in lots of mods on a slow night. Warp disrupts, drones, cap boosters, ammo, 1600MM RT plate. Put it about 20-25% above Jita market. Make a killing over time. Many pirates have alts that do their shopping for them, some dont and rely on the local market even though the price is inflated. Doesnt require too much work.
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.05.24 08:26:00 -
[50]
I've been living in low sec since last December when I finally made that -10.0 sec status plunge. Initially I had a hard time covering losses with just pirating, I turned to low sec missions to bolster my income some. Yes, I run lvl4's in low sec systems and no I've never lost a ship doing it during all that time. I also do some exploration and w-space stuff from time to time but that's rare.
At this point my primary income is pirating, I don't make much and about half of what I make comes from ransoms and ejects. Killing a 250M isk t2 fitted and rigged BS will drop at best 10M isk of loot, alternatively you can ransom it for 100M isk with ease and typically get more than that. Convince him to eject and you just made more than you otherwise would have made in an entire month. It's amazing how many people are willing to eject if you demand their ship or their pod (politely). Most won't do it, and you'd think none would take that deal but plenty of players do, even noobs with no implants to lose. Thinking of which, I've got a stack of vexors, anyone want them?
Overall the best skill you can have is learning when to attack and when not to. You should never find yourself under attack, always be the aggressor. Scout alts are very useful and you must stay in one area to learn it well. It takes time to figure out who is a threat and who isn't. I pirate in just two systems. There is a reason for that. I've found that the break even point using t1 ships (BC/BS mostly) is a 25 to 1 kill ratio with as many ransoms/ejects as you can get. Most of those kills will be trash ships that drop nothing of real value.
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Antoine Roquentin
Spaceship Lullaby
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Posted - 2009.05.24 09:09:00 -
[51]
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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2009.05.24 10:25:00 -
[52]
If loot and ransoms don't cover your bills, or in other words if you're lazy, you can do well by running missions in low sec, although this isn't a simple issue since that will usually mean taking over a mission hub or doing some diplomacy with locals.
Or you can try out wormholes. A 2-4 man hac gang can easily clear out those intermediate anomalies with little risk, and isk/h is quite good, about the same as really efficient lvl4 running.
Don't bother ratting in low sec, it's absolute waste of time. Although I guess running around belts after DT looking for factions can pay off if you feel lucky, after all faction module dropped in low sec is basically same as in 0.0. But ratting as in relying on bounties for isk is very far from efficient way of making money.
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Ospie
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2009.05.24 11:41:00 -
[53]
Myself and my corp basically work off loot. That said we do just about everything under the sun for isk; ransoms + dishonouring ransoms (I don't care what anyone else says, it pays well and it continues to pay well), corp theft, destroying pos's, occassional ninja ratting in NPC space (stain's great, also nice for pirating since the locals tend to use TS mods on their ships cause they have such an abundance of them), exploration (radar sites + arch sites are good in lowsec, arch sites in WH space are great for cash, combat plexes can be nice too), hell even a little hidden belt mining if you find a good enough one.
Get an alt to a stage where they can make a specific type of t2 ship & also have the research skills to invent the BPCs, run it from a lowsec small pos, good money in that.
On the whole we do anything and everything, the more open to different options you are, the less restricted you'll feel and monotony's completely removed from the game.
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Adrena Tirkuni
Amarr
Imperial Eden Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.06 06:14:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Ospie
Myself and my corp basically work off loot. That said we do just about everything under the sun for isk; ransoms + dishonouring ransoms (I don't care what anyone else says, it pays well and it continues to pay well), corp theft, destroying pos's, occassional ninja ratting in NPC space (stain's great, also nice for pirating since the locals tend to use TS mods on their ships cause they have such an abundance of them), exploration (radar sites + arch sites are good in lowsec, arch sites in WH space are great for cash, combat plexes can be nice too), hell even a little hidden belt mining if you find a good enough one.
Get an alt to a stage where they can make a specific type of t2 ship & also have the research skills to invent the BPCs, run it from a lowsec small pos, good money in that.
On the whole we do anything and everything, the more open to different options you are, the less restricted you'll feel and monotony's completely removed from the game.[/q
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Enden Assulu
Caldari
Blood Money Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.06 11:07:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Simple: alts. -10 pirate main, carebear/hauler/covops alt farming highsec level 4s in a Golem and bringing in replacement ships. It's the best of both worlds, all the easy ISK from highsec, and no worrying about sec status on my main.
This really, I used to do missions with my alt until she went inactive as missions are really boring. So I now use an alt on one of my spare character slots to do the market trading thing.
You should also look into picking a faction with a nice faction store as IMO cheap faction ammo is always good :)
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Voodoo Dog
EDEN BURNING
Unity Thru Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.06 11:27:00 -
[56]
Originally by: CanIHave YourStuff
I'm going to assume most pies have alts to do their dirty hi-sec work
This...at least for all the ones I have known, and been...Pirating was their FUN, and isk be hecked
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Haary
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Posted - 2009.06.06 12:10:00 -
[57]
Now what you should do is this:
Find a region where you want to live in low sec where you can do missions where you already builded your status with!
There are lvl 4 and 5'es in low sec.
Then there are plexes (yes get ready to probe) and exploration!
And I can assure you that the above turns out to be a lot better income than those crappy empire quality 20 lvl 4 agents are
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ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.06 12:24:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Htrag
I generally just steal **** from our corp hangar, spin my ships for a bit and log off.
i remember the days when u used to undock as well
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Cmndr Griff
Capitalistic Tendencies
Red Dwarf Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.06 14:13:00 -
[59]
Empire carebear/JF/Carrier alt for the win. Not the cheapest way but you can make a killing with selling overpriced mods, ships, drones and ammo in certain low-sec systems as well as use the massive space for your own personal armada. |
Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.06.06 14:17:00 -
[60]
Do it the Siigari way.. Just sell time cards..
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Absalom Marathon
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.06 15:08:00 -
[61]
You pillage, you plunder, you rifle and loot.
Drink up with your 'earties, Yo Ho!
You kidnap and ravage and you don't give a hoot.
Drink up... And so on.
It's hard and it's ugly. But it all depends on the scoundrels and vagabonds you choose to live your lowsec life with. You'll need a tight and ******ed crowd around you, that isn't afraid of fighting.
I love lowsec, it's the only life for me. I have an easy time tho, because I fly with the best pvpers, the best idiots and the best friends a dude can have in a game.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.06.06 17:44:00 -
[62]
Trading is the best form of isk generation.
Train up your probing skills. Useful in piracy to find people (runnign their own plexes), and in carebearing to run plexes in low sec/0.0. Radar sites can give you descriptors worth a dozen mil (give or take a few mil) a piece.
Ransoming makes some isk.
Getting lucky makes the rest.
Get a hauler alt (Amarr frig III, Industrial I and you have a 13,000 m^3 hauler), go to trade hubs and bring to the nearest 'hub' and sell for 20% markup. Its reasonable enough for people to buy for convenience, so you get enough volume moved.
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Rip Minner
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Posted - 2009.06.06 17:47:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Pian Shu
Originally by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
Missioning in low sec would be quite a bit innefficient especcially as to do it without getting ganked
I find it rather ironic that you plan to be "gankers" and are worried about getting "ganked". I also find it hilarious.
Honestly, a group of guys can run missions in ganky ships quite efficiently, just drop a little of the tackling gear and add ... whatever makes sense for your ship type; loyalty points and rewards are quite a bit greater in low-sec. You would be running them faster than any of you individually and you have the chance of a target warping in on you -- one who actually wants to fight. Isn't that what you want?
No they want to be the gang warping in on the other gang or beter still solo guy so they have the zero risk gank becouse they will have the dps of the npcs on there target already. And they dont want that to happen to themselfs. As gankers they know how easy it is to gank some one or even another gang thats already under fire from the swarm of npcs that are in level 4's.
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Rip Minner
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Posted - 2009.06.06 17:48:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Omarvelous
Trading is the best form of isk generation.
Train up your probing skills. Useful in piracy to find people (runnign their own plexes), and in carebearing to run plexes in low sec/0.0. Radar sites can give you descriptors worth a dozen mil (give or take a few mil) a piece.
Ransoming makes some isk.
Getting lucky makes the rest.
Get a hauler alt (Amarr frig III, Industrial I and you have a 13,000 m^3 hauler), go to trade hubs and bring to the nearest 'hub' and sell for 20% markup. Its reasonable enough for people to buy for convenience, so you get enough volume moved.
Just want to say to all the nija salvagers I love you guys keep up the good work.
Becouse wither or not you know it you help make low sec a lonly place for the gankers there. Thx's to missions being scanable no sane mission run trys runing low sec missions and that means no Industrals supplying them and that means no realy profitable gate camping in low sec.
So thx you very much and plz help your self to my salvage and loot its worth making low sec what it is today thx you :)
Dont change a thing plz its working as intended :)
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Zarroh
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Posted - 2009.06.06 22:09:00 -
[65]
Originally by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
Edited by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR on 23/05/2009 16:59:48
So my main questiobn is how DO you make a living in low sec? i've read pirating guides etc etc, and i know about ransoming, is that REALLY the main form of income? 
So can anyone give me any tips? Thanks in advance.
Easy. Move to a lowsec area nearby "quiet" 0.0 space. Rat there (in nullsec) for an hour or two and you will be easily able to rack in enough isk for a couple T2 ships or loads of T1 ships. With the occasional faction spawns, it shouldn't be too difficult. Have fun
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Absalom Marathon
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.06 22:59:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Zarroh
Originally by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
Edited by: OKAAAAAAAAAAAAAR on 23/05/2009 16:59:48
So my main questiobn is how DO you make a living in low sec? i've read pirating guides etc etc, and i know about ransoming, is that REALLY the main form of income?
So can anyone give me any tips? Thanks in advance.
Easy. Move to a lowsec area nearby "quiet" 0.0 space. Rat there (in nullsec) for an hour or two and you will be easily able to rack in enough isk for a couple T2 ships or loads of T1 ships. With the occasional faction spawns, it shouldn't be too difficult. Have fun
Alternatively, join a larger pirate corp, hold a lowsec syst with lvl 4 agents.
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