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Lord Zekk Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.22 22:29:00 - [31] Originally by: Lisento Slaven Originally by: Lord Zekk I only do a bit of pirating and I keep my sec status a bit better than -2.0 so that I can get into high sec whenever I need to. Ratting however is a pain. I once podded someone and it took me a week of ratting in a frig to get back into high sec. For anyone who is not aware of this (not sure if Lord Zekk is), the fastest way to fix your sec status is: 1. Find a crappy pipe/pocket of systems that no one cares about 2. Hop belts looking for high bounty NPC 3. Kill high bounty NPC 4. Go to the next system in the pipe/pocket 5. Repeat search & destroy of high bounty NPC You get a sec hit every 15 minutes...per system. So each system has its own individual 15 minute timer. The amount of sec gain you get is based on the bounty/difficulty of the NPC you kill. Note - you only get 1 sec hit per system, per 15 minutes, so it is pointless to kill more then 1 NPC per system. This is really easy to do in Stain/Esoteria/Sansha space. Grab a retribution or any AF and you will get past most camps or at the very least stay alive. My retribution can tank and kill up to 1.5 mil spawns (takes a few mins to pop a BS). But when you're fixing your sec status...that's all that matters. Could also do it in a HAC if you're willing to risk the money. Thanks a lot. I didn't know that. No wonder it took so long slogging away in the same system belt after belt. I would easily have run 3 systems killed 1 BS in each system and moved on. By the time I'm done in the 3rd or 4th system 15 min will up and I can rinse and repeat. You sir are a life saver! ---------------------------------------- We are recruiting. Visit us at http://www.22ndbrdu.com
Varesk Gallente Letiferi Praedones	Posted - 2009.05.22 22:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Lord Zekk Originally by: Lisento Slaven Originally by: Lord Zekk I only do a bit of pirating and I keep my sec status a bit better than -2.0 so that I can get into high sec whenever I need to. Ratting however is a pain. I once podded someone and it took me a week of ratting in a frig to get back into high sec. For anyone who is not aware of this (not sure if Lord Zekk is), the fastest way to fix your sec status is: 1. Find a crappy pipe/pocket of systems that no one cares about 2. Hop belts looking for high bounty NPC 3. Kill high bounty NPC 4. Go to the next system in the pipe/pocket 5. Repeat search & destroy of high bounty NPC You get a sec hit every 15 minutes...per system. So each system has its own individual 15 minute timer. The amount of sec gain you get is based on the bounty/difficulty of the NPC you kill. Note - you only get 1 sec hit per system, per 15 minutes, so it is pointless to kill more then 1 NPC per system. This is really easy to do in Stain/Esoteria/Sansha space. Grab a retribution or any AF and you will get past most camps or at the very least stay alive. My retribution can tank and kill up to 1.5 mil spawns (takes a few mins to pop a BS). But when you're fixing your sec status...that's all that matters. Could also do it in a HAC if you're willing to risk the money. Thanks a lot. I didn't know that. No wonder it took so long slogging away in the same system belt after belt. I would easily have run 3 systems killed 1 BS in each system and moved on. By the time I'm done in the 3rd or 4th system 15 min will up and I can rinse and repeat. You sir are a life saver! It also helps to train fast talk to 3 or 4.
Misanth The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.05.22 22:50:00 - [33] Originally by: Kahega Amielden If you know how to watch your scanner, missioning in lowsec is fine. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.05.22 23:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Kahega Amielden If you know how to watch your scanner, missioning in lowsec is fine. Knowing how is easy. Actually having the motivation to click that stupid scan button every 15 seconds for an hour is another thing entirely. Carpal tunnel anyone? ----- The Python Cartel - My Pirate Blog
Misanth The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.05.22 23:13:00 - [35] Originally by: Spectre3353 Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Kahega Amielden If you know how to watch your scanner, missioning in lowsec is fine. Knowing how is easy. Actually having the motivation to click that stupid scan button every 15 seconds for an hour is another thing entirely. Carpal tunnel anyone? That's what cloaky alts on the acceleration gate is for. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Htrag The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2009.05.22 23:21:00 - [36] I generally just steal **** from our corp hangar, spin my ships for a bit and log off.
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.05.22 23:49:00 - [37] I make my isk from pirating, loot drops and ransoms. ---------------------------
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Vort3x.	Posted - 2009.05.23 00:05:00 - [38] I invested 3 bil in an alt which I keep on the same account, means he can mission run while my main doesn't worry about sec status. He also hauls for me.
Quani Mining Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.23 01:20:00 - [39] If you are in a half way decent pirate corp you should be able to kill enough stuff to get enough loot to cover losses no problem. I have been living in low-sec as a pirate for 3 years and have never run out of isk.
Tommy TwoFingers	Posted - 2009.05.23 02:06:00 - [40] Edited by: Tommy TwoFingers on 23/05/2009 02:06:46 Living in low sec is a lot easyier than most people believe. Myself and pretty much everybody I have played with for the last 3/4 years have always lived in low sec or null sec. I moved out 3 weeks into the game in 05 in amamake. Making money is easy enough, low sec exploration is fairly profitable. You can make 4/500 mil+ from certain sites. If it is only 3 of you moving out piracy will be more profitable for you as your only splitting 3 ways. Setting up near near a 0.0 entrance is a good idea if your worried about keeping your sec status enough even to go into 0.5. Find a nice quite system 1/2 jumps off any main pipes or routes and setup base there. You will find in low sec that gangs tend to be very localized and you will learn which systems to watch out for and which you will get a good fight in. Edit - Wrong toon
Lana Hellfury Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.05.23 02:24:00 - [41] The only tip I have is for the love of god don't take the BMW down the local shops when you run out of milk.. Get a second cheap car and use that... (For those paying attention this is actually relevant)
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.23 07:21:00 - [42] Lotta people, I suspect, dabble in Low Sec and live in Emp. For instance you might started Wormholing in Low in the same constellation for a while. Going about your buisness and generally not annoying anyone then "Oh look, an Itty 5...", or "man that pipe is NEVER camped it seems, hmmm", or "that jackass in Local hasnt stfup all week and we need to kill him horribly", etc. You make a couple friends and before you know it you got a sensor boosted HIC and RR Domi and Mega camp mashing everything you can. That 5.2 you had becomes like 1.3 in a half an hour and you're like wtf. It's like crack or something. Now you gotta go mission or rat to raise it up again. Why? So you can do it again next time.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.05.23 08:12:00 - [43] Simple: alts. -10 pirate main, carebear/hauler/covops alt farming highsec level 4s in a Golem and bringing in replacement ships. It's the best of both worlds, all the easy ISK from highsec, and no worrying about sec status on my main. -----------
Adeptus mecanicus Caldari The Flaming Sideburn's	Posted - 2009.05.23 08:32:00 - [44] ratting and blowing ppl up both drop loot and you can sell the good stuff and melt the lesser to use in new ships and ammo. tho if you care about security then ofcorse you have a hard time since you need skill up your social skills and do the "cant pew pew need to sort sec" speech Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.05.23 23:48:00 - [45] I have a super low-skillpoint ninja salvager alt. Because I'm a filthy thief. My noobish Khanid Pirate blog: http://helicityboson.blogspot.com/
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.24 00:38:00 - [46] Dyspro moons. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Colonel Cornbread Minmatar Subnet Syndicate Binary Brotherhood	Posted - 2009.05.24 03:17:00 - [47] i kill people
Xzar Fyrarr Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.05.24 04:07:00 - [48] I think it would probably be easiest to get a JC out to 0.0 and rat there. If you know what you are doing, and what times are safest to rat, it is easy money , minimal effort, and you are still pewpewing, technically, while you do it.
Vynce Neil	Posted - 2009.05.24 07:19:00 - [49] Ransoming people works ok. If you're working in a small gnag (i think you said 2), ransom HAC, Recon, Commandship pilots(my fav), Marauders, faction anything. Could net a nice profit. Ransoming T1 ships doesnt work so well as most people wont pay because insurance covers their loss. Always try to ransom a pod though if it's a year or more old, as it probably has implants. Best way though: Trading. Find a pirate mecca. Bring in lots of mods on a slow night. Warp disrupts, drones, cap boosters, ammo, 1600MM RT plate. Put it about 20-25% above Jita market. Make a killing over time. Many pirates have alts that do their shopping for them, some dont and rely on the local market even though the price is inflated. Doesnt require too much work.
King Rothgar Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.05.24 08:26:00 - [50] I've been living in low sec since last December when I finally made that -10.0 sec status plunge. Initially I had a hard time covering losses with just pirating, I turned to low sec missions to bolster my income some. Yes, I run lvl4's in low sec systems and no I've never lost a ship doing it during all that time. I also do some exploration and w-space stuff from time to time but that's rare. At this point my primary income is pirating, I don't make much and about half of what I make comes from ransoms and ejects. Killing a 250M isk t2 fitted and rigged BS will drop at best 10M isk of loot, alternatively you can ransom it for 100M isk with ease and typically get more than that. Convince him to eject and you just made more than you otherwise would have made in an entire month. It's amazing how many people are willing to eject if you demand their ship or their pod (politely). Most won't do it, and you'd think none would take that deal but plenty of players do, even noobs with no implants to lose. Thinking of which, I've got a stack of vexors, anyone want them? Overall the best skill you can have is learning when to attack and when not to. You should never find yourself under attack, always be the aggressor. Scout alts are very useful and you must stay in one area to learn it well. It takes time to figure out who is a threat and who isn't. I pirate in just two systems. There is a reason for that. I've found that the break even point using t1 ships (BC/BS mostly) is a 25 to 1 kill ratio with as many ransoms/ejects as you can get. Most of those kills will be trash ships that drop nothing of real value. -----------------------------------------------------
Antoine Roquentin Spaceship Lullaby	Posted - 2009.05.24 09:09:00 - [51] Only the lazy or inept need rely on alts. If you aren't cutting a profit you're a bad pirate.
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.05.24 10:25:00 - [52] If loot and ransoms don't cover your bills, or in other words if you're lazy, you can do well by running missions in low sec, although this isn't a simple issue since that will usually mean taking over a mission hub or doing some diplomacy with locals. Or you can try out wormholes. A 2-4 man hac gang can easily clear out those intermediate anomalies with little risk, and isk/h is quite good, about the same as really efficient lvl4 running. Don't bother ratting in low sec, it's absolute waste of time. Although I guess running around belts after DT looking for factions can pay off if you feel lucky, after all faction module dropped in low sec is basically same as in 0.0. But ratting as in relying on bounties for isk is very far from efficient way of making money.
Ospie Core Impulse	Posted - 2009.05.24 11:41:00 - [53] Myself and my corp basically work off loot. That said we do just about everything under the sun for isk; ransoms + dishonouring ransoms (I don't care what anyone else says, it pays well and it continues to pay well), corp theft, destroying pos's, occassional ninja ratting in NPC space (stain's great, also nice for pirating since the locals tend to use TS mods on their ships cause they have such an abundance of them), exploration (radar sites + arch sites are good in lowsec, arch sites in WH space are great for cash, combat plexes can be nice too), hell even a little hidden belt mining if you find a good enough one. Get an alt to a stage where they can make a specific type of t2 ship & also have the research skills to invent the BPCs, run it from a lowsec small pos, good money in that. On the whole we do anything and everything, the more open to different options you are, the less restricted you'll feel and monotony's completely removed from the game.
Adrena Tirkuni Amarr Imperial Eden Empire	Posted - 2009.06.06 06:14:00 - [54] Originally by: Ospie Myself and my corp basically work off loot. That said we do just about everything under the sun for isk; ransoms + dishonouring ransoms (I don't care what anyone else says, it pays well and it continues to pay well), corp theft, destroying pos's, occassional ninja ratting in NPC space (stain's great, also nice for pirating since the locals tend to use TS mods on their ships cause they have such an abundance of them), exploration (radar sites + arch sites are good in lowsec, arch sites in WH space are great for cash, combat plexes can be nice too), hell even a little hidden belt mining if you find a good enough one. Get an alt to a stage where they can make a specific type of t2 ship & also have the research skills to invent the BPCs, run it from a lowsec small pos, good money in that. On the whole we do anything and everything, the more open to different options you are, the less restricted you'll feel and monotony's completely removed from the game.[/q Trust ospie I know him (I coming back budy)
Enden Assulu Caldari Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.06 11:07:00 - [55] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Simple: alts. -10 pirate main, carebear/hauler/covops alt farming highsec level 4s in a Golem and bringing in replacement ships. It's the best of both worlds, all the easy ISK from highsec, and no worrying about sec status on my main. This really, I used to do missions with my alt until she went inactive as missions are really boring. So I now use an alt on one of my spare character slots to do the market trading thing. You should also look into picking a faction with a nice faction store as IMO cheap faction ammo is always good :) Click the image!
Voodoo Dog EDEN BURNING Unity Thru Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.06 11:27:00 - [56] Originally by: CanIHave YourStuff I'm going to assume most pies have alts to do their dirty hi-sec work This...at least for all the ones I have known, and been...Pirating was their FUN, and isk be hecked
Haary	Posted - 2009.06.06 12:10:00 - [57] Now what you should do is this: Find a region where you want to live in low sec where you can do missions where you already builded your status with! There are lvl 4 and 5'es in low sec. Then there are plexes (yes get ready to probe) and exploration! And I can assure you that the above turns out to be a lot better income than those crappy empire quality 20 lvl 4 agents are
ArmyOfMe The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.06.06 12:24:00 - [58] Originally by: Htrag I generally just steal **** from our corp hangar, spin my ships for a bit and log off. i remember the days when u used to undock as well
Cmndr Griff Capitalistic Tendencies Red Dwarf Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.06 14:13:00 - [59] Empire carebear/JF/Carrier alt for the win. Not the cheapest way but you can make a killing with selling overpriced mods, ships, drones and ammo in certain low-sec systems as well as use the massive space for your own personal armada.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.06.06 14:17:00 - [60] Do it the Siigari way.. Just sell time cards..

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