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Shosin Tamaka	Posted - 2009.05.24 02:52:00 - [31] I quit the Gall milita after spending hours trying to find a fleet. Over several days. Solo flying around then dieing to 7/10/20 ship gangs. Just wasn't fun. Got turned down a few times for fleet because I was flying a tristan and not a rifter or some T2 ship... Thought we needed numbers? Doesn't matter anyway though. Min militia is much more accepting to new players. Fleets are plenty. Targets are a bit sparse though. I'll earn my bones w/the Minmatars. Come back around when the Gals want to win. Viva la Resistance?
eskr	Posted - 2009.05.24 05:22:00 - [32] My most complain about FW is the complete unrelation of plexing mechanics to even faintest similarity to war. In roleplaying aspect plexing just don't trigger in me 'defend your motherland' type of stuff because it is so disconnected from how wars fought. In other words, war is not fought by just sitting on your base doing nothing (defensive plexing). Offensive plexes is complete mess at all - I certainly don't think the D-Day op will be successful if say enough of Allied soldiers were running on Normandia beach for 20 mins so fast that the Germans wouldn't be able to hit them. I joined FW to roleplay 'fighting a war' and I had great fun of pvp fleets (and by fun I mean not 'killing newbs', I'm not that great pvper), but plexing is just so boring to me, I did lots of them, but every time I feel less desire to do them. And you know - it is game I paid for. I'm not very inclined to do something which is not bringing fun for my own money.
Hurtado Soneka Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.05.24 06:39:00 - [33] Originally by: eskr I joined FW to roleplay 'fighting a war' and I had great fun of pvp fleets (and by fun I mean not 'killing newbs', I'm not that great pvper), but plexing is just so boring to me, I did lots of them, but every time I feel less desire to do them. And you know - it is game I paid for. I'm not very inclined to do something which is not bringing fun for my own money. I agree with this statement but it raises the question 'what should FW be like?' Its a kick in the teeth to accept, but really we have a good deal here. SP and FDU are NPC corps in an everlasting wardec, FW space is our personal warzone infested with (i think) gal aligned pirates, its littered with unique DS type pockets ala plexes, corps can go RP all over it and join their favoured factions. Yes theres no lvl4 type rewards, No theres no fecking faction BS trade ins for LP like there should damn well be, but for casual players who wanna log in and maybe x up for a fleet, do their lvl4s/mine, go plexing and hope for the best, its a pretty sweet thing we got. Cals got the numbers and npcs, Gals got the decent ships, nice trade off
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.24 07:31:00 - [34] Quote: gal aligned pirates Wut? And while you may like it in your dream world, you dont have to fly caldari ships, and in general they outperform gallente ships (only gallente cruisers are definately better than caldari).
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.05.24 07:59:00 - [35] We have now these rules in faction warfare. You say mechanic is broken, but i say caldari just want to do things no matter what rules are. Gallente tried to defend and were quite good at it until they just stopped to do that. Gallente also showed that they can take systems too. Caldari took most of their strategies from gallente added some more and now have consept that works in these rules. Now gallente only relays that ccp should come to help them by changing rules. You are saying now how unbalanced this fw is when caldari has taken almost all systems and having caldari rats in plexes. I can say it was worth of it to take most of them. But do not worry , just listen all those gallente war specialist who say it does not matter who own systems.
eskr	Posted - 2009.05.24 09:14:00 - [36] Originally by: Hurtado Soneka I agree with this statement but it raises the question 'what should FW be like?' Its a kick in the teeth to accept, but really we have a good deal here. SP and FDU are NPC corps in an everlasting wardec, FW space is our personal warzone infested with (i think) gal aligned pirates, its littered with unique DS type pockets ala plexes, corps can go RP all over it and join their favoured factions. Agree fully, excluding 'Gal aligned pirates' and plexes. As a legal warzone where you can quickly find a fight FW is great and I love it for it. I value it really highly as for long time I was in npc corp and didn't want to join player corp simply because I wanted to do what I wanted to do. And FW is perfect for finding experience (or trouble) when you feel like it. Just take away plexes and everything is gotta be nice to me. There was a time when I was complaining about lack of reward for plexing - but now I just don't think it will change much, plexing is simply boring. And I don't complain about Cals having numbers - it is just making it harder for us, but at least I feel myself on the proper side of the business as I wouldn't be very happy attacking somebody who has lower numbers.
Turelus Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.05.24 09:43:00 - [37] I don't think rewards for plexing will ever make people plex... as said it's boring... To make people plex you need to have system occupancy mean something! look at 0.0 people say POS shooting all day is boring but they do it because having systems gives you stuff... (kinda) I do agree with the Gallente and their "why should we care that the text says Caldari" but I think it's a damn shame we have good people like BloodBird here trying to rally his team to fight (yes fight not plex) but they all ignore him. He said the Caldari would be in those systems after DT yesterday... and guess what? we were there... and the only resistance was pirates and this brave Gallente pilot. If the Gallente want to run around screaming "we do it for pvp" then come fight! you know where the 22nd, PERVS and many other corps are after DT every day, you know we bring Militia blobs now but you are still don't show? I don't know how many of you were around when Costolle fell but you guys camped that system for like 24 hours blowing the hell out of many good Caldari's. Also... by this time next week the war will be won! (plex ftw!)
Tomo Yamaoka Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2009.05.24 13:08:00 - [38] First off Tureles and Bloodbird, you have my respect, while so many other pilots on both sides spew either complaints or snide insults, these two pilots have conducted themselves with civil respect, we are at war, and ships are lost every day due to creative fleet commanding, well crafted tactical deployment, and dumb luck. It is painful to see these conversations digress again and again to snide comments and childish bickering. This fight will go on as long as it needs to, which by the looks of things thanks to Concord interference in how the wars will be fought. The moment you start to underestimate and scoff the enemy is the moment they come in under your radar and begin to destroy you. The Gallente Militia has become far too complacent and now we see the Caldari pulling ahead. To my allies, I commend the efforts to correct this, and the valiant efforts of the FDU to stand firm in the face of overwhelming odds. To my enemies, I salute you for fighting a noble war and using our own tactics against us. ((To CCP, please fix the lag, I love large fleet battles, even if they are three to one odds, but one more lag death and I think I may throw the TV out the window)) Agent Provocateur of the FIO
Essence Praetor Retribution. Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.24 13:39:00 - [39] This post really makes my A.D.D and 2nd grade reading comprehension skills hurt /0\
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.05.24 14:50:00 - [40] Suggestion in regards to lag. Leadership on both sides should send daily notices of upcoming systems where they will be conducting 'large' scale operations to CCP. And remind CCP that battles may shift across multiple systems. For example, WOLFY should be sending a daily report to CCP that they expect to put xx+ number of pilots in Tama from aa:bb to cc:bb and that they regularly encounter yy+ Caldari pilots at anyone time. 22nd should send up the 4 remaining systems, include the immediately surrounding systems (possibly the constellation and neighboring consetllation) that will be targeted. Same goes for the Minmatar/Amarr front; if a corp is actually planning a operation let CCP know. If no 'lag' improvement is seen; CCP clearly is discouraging participation in Factional Warfare and PvP. I would hate to be the programming team that spent months putting together a the basic mechanics only to have it all abandoned because "0.0 is the end-game!" mentality. In-Game Browser : http://ldis.caldari-made.net

Ziriko Keplit State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.05.24 19:52:00 - [41] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs ...we are ready to open the resistance to the occupation. This made me smile I remembered one nice, funny song that could be good hymn to resistance La Resistance lives on
Lubomir Penev Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.05.25 13:53:00 - [42] Originally by: Shosin Tamaka I quit the Gall milita after spending hours trying to find a fleet. Over several days. Solo flying around then dieing to 7/10/20 ship gangs. You are flying the wrong ship. The best thing about FW is no bubble camp and plenty of things a solo Taranis can kill. And now way to catch you if you don't want to. -- 20081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 20090317 : back under original ownership
london Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.05.25 17:13:00 - [43] Originally by: Richard Third <sarcasm> Congrats to the caldari blob on their victory over gallente NPC's. </sarcasm> That's pretty much it. If FW occupation was determined by fleet battles, the Caldari would have lost long, long ago. The only "success" you had, had to come from outside of the PVP environment. So once again, Congrats to the caldari blob on their victory over gallente NPC's.
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.05.25 17:27:00 - [44] Originally by: london Originally by: Richard Third <sarcasm> Congrats to the caldari blob on their victory over gallente NPC's. </sarcasm> That's pretty much it. If FW occupation was determined by fleet battles, the Caldari would have lost long, long ago. The only "success" you had, had to come from outside of the PVP environment. So once again, Congrats to the caldari blob on their victory over gallente NPC's. hmm... i think DARK could not even beat npc, but hey have a nice time in minmatar militia. Leaving sunking ship is always good way to boost moral. I find it some way amusing that people who tried to prevent us to pve failed on it and now thay say it was outside pvp enviroment. Hell yea, pvp is gone by escaping gallente.
london Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.05.25 17:38:00 - [45] Originally by: Bad Messenger hmm... i think DARK could not even beat npc, but hey have a nice time in minmatar militia. Leaving sunking ship is always good way to boost moral. I find it some way amusing that people who tried to prevent us to pve failed on it and now thay say it was outside pvp enviroment. Hell yea, pvp is gone by escaping gallente. I think the sinking ship is FW in general. Patch after patch CCP has done nothing for it. But hey, you can only fight the same fights so many times before it becomes a routine. DARK leaving Gallente militia had nothing to do with the current plexing system.
BacardiDesire Caldari The 8th Order	Posted - 2009.05.26 10:27:00 - [46] Originally by: london Originally by: Bad Messenger hmm... i think DARK could not even beat npc, but hey have a nice time in minmatar militia. Leaving sunking ship is always good way to boost moral. I find it some way amusing that people who tried to prevent us to pve failed on it and now thay say it was outside pvp enviroment. Hell yea, pvp is gone by escaping gallente. I think the sinking ship is FW in general. Patch after patch CCP has done nothing for it. But hey, you can only fight the same fights so many times before it becomes a routine. DARK leaving Gallente militia had nothing to do with the current plexing system. the real reason is even worse then leaving a sinking ship if you hear that all i want is some cake.
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.05.26 20:36:00 - [47] Originally by: Bad Messenger hmm... i think DARK could not even beat npc, but hey have a nice time in minmatar militia. Leaving sunking ship is always good way to boost moral. I find it some way amusing that people who tried to prevent us to pve failed on it and now thay say it was outside pvp enviroment. Hell yea, pvp is gone by escaping gallente. You guys won all those systems fair and square. Congrats. Really, you guys pushed the two strongest Gallente Corps out of Gallente FW, FOOM and then Dark-Rising, through a very well thought out strategy. Dark-Rising abandoning Gallente FW was the nail in the system occupancy coffin, but they probably have more fun in BS fleet fights than cruiser sized skirmish fights. So now what? Guerrilla war!
Juan Rayo Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.05.26 20:41:00 - [48] Originally by: X Gallentius So now what? Guerrilla war! /me puts on RP hat: Now, my friend, we start the resistance until we push the invaders out! And it¦s gonna be great fun. Endurecete cabr=n!
london Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.05.26 21:29:00 - [49] Originally by: X Gallentius Dark-Rising abandoning Gallente FW was the nail in the system occupancy coffin, but they probably have more fun in BS fleet fights than cruiser sized skirmish fights. Not true, the BS fleet fights are MitchÆs specialty. The rest of us fly everything and anything. We actually took out a T1 cruiser gang into Amarr space not long ago and netted several kills in the process. This is a common sight for us. I personally love T1 frigate PVP, back to basics and making T2 crap themselves one after another. <3 Dark
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.05.26 21:47:00 - [50] Plexing isn't that bad, people just take it too seriously. You want WTs? Following this simple procedure: 1) Relocate to your favorite off-pipe FW lowsec 2) Run a few plexes to contest the systems 3) Have fun with the WTs that will show up to uncontest your systems Occupancy currently affects exactly nothing, so there's no point in making a serious effort to actually flip the systems. But as a giant 'Summon Wartargets' button they're great.

X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.05.26 22:20:00 - [51] Edited by: X Gallentius on 26/05/2009 22:20:44 Edited by: X Gallentius on 26/05/2009 22:20:26 Edited by: X Gallentius on 26/05/2009 22:20:06 Originally by: Kessiaan Occupancy currently affects exactly nothing, so there's no point in making a serious effort to actually flip the systems. But as a giant 'Summon Wartargets' button they're great. It's like a peacoque (love profanity filters, lol) looking for a mate. Flash some big blue dots on the map and your Caldari PvP mates will show up pretty quickly.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.05.26 23:12:00 - [52] Originally by: BloodBird We don't really know what happens if one side loses all their systems, but we might know that very soon. Wouldn't it be the coolest thing ever, if when the squiddies defeat the last bunker, they get a short movie showing some Caldari guys getting a medal, then the occupancy status resets to the beginning again? I don't think I'd survive the fit of laughter that would come upon me if that was the FW endgame. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.05.26 23:22:00 - [53] The main problem with FW is the same as events: it's over by the time I login. I miss all events in America/Los_Angeles timezone. If plex re-spawns were unpredictable and occurred round-the-clock, the occupantsy map would look a lot different than it does. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.05.26 23:33:00 - [54] Originally by: Cosmic Raider Here's the secret. Caldari back in December made a conscious effort to organize themselves across several corps to plex ... And around the same time FOOM decided to stop making a conscious effort to organize themselves and several other corps to plex... Was that just a coincidence? *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.05.26 23:38:00 - [55] Originally by: Dex Nederland Suggestion in regards to lag. Leadership on both sides should send daily notices of upcoming systems where they will be conducting 'large' scale operations to CCP. Why should they do this? CCP can just look at the god damned map to see where tomorrow's action will be. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.05.26 23:43:00 - [56] Originally by: Kessiaan You want WTs? Following this simple procedure: 1) Relocate to your favorite off-pipe FW lowsec 1a) Login right after DT 2) Run a few plexes to contest the systems 3) Have fun with the WTs that will show up to uncontest your systems Fix that for you. It was missing the most important step. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.05.26 23:43:00 - [57] Five uncontested posts! Beat that squiddies! :) *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.05.27 05:25:00 - [58] Originally by: Guillame Herschel And around the same time FOOM decided to stop making a conscious effort to organize themselves and several other corps to plex... Was that just a coincidence? Actually no. They weren't going to push FOOM out of Black Rise by force alone, so they decided to plex VV to demoralize FOOM into moving on. Great strategic move by them actually.
Draco Rosso	Posted - 2009.05.27 05:36:00 - [59] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Cosmic Raider Here's the secret. Caldari back in December made a conscious effort to organize themselves across several corps to plex ... And around the same time FOOM decided to stop making a conscious effort to organize themselves and several other corps to plex... Was that just a coincidence? WTF are you talking about in the month of December Black Rise was under siege by FOOM and we lost eleven systems that month and we only managed to take two. After months of heavy fighting CAIN and Cadre fought FOOM to a standstill in Black Rise. While the 22nd with the help of the pervs keep the pressure in verge vendor, while fighting pirates and war targets. If youÆre going talk to smack get your damn history correct. Why don't your run along to old man star now like good little froggy.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.05.27 18:26:00 - [60] Ok, January then. Jesus. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**



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