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Autumn River
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:29:00 -
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Why are we not allowed to fight against ore theifs?
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Autumn River
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:29:00 -
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Why are we not allowed to fight against ore theifs?
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Jozef Meurtrier
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:39:00 -
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You forfeited the chance to fight back the second you lost common sense.Secure containers were designed for a reason, you know.
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Jozef Meurtrier
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:39:00 -
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You forfeited the chance to fight back the second you lost common sense.Secure containers were designed for a reason, you know.
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Autumn River
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:46:00 -
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You always begin your post with an insult?
I was told that secure containers cannot be anchored in secure space.
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Autumn River
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:46:00 -
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You always begin your post with an insult?
I was told that secure containers cannot be anchored in secure space.
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Thalanor
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:48:00 -
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secure containers are far too small, even giant ones. mining for 2 hours i can fill 3 jetcans, which is more than 21 giant secure containers. it simply isnt worth the effort (or the difficulty of fitting them into one belt) to spend ages placing these only to have to empty them a couple of hours later.
the only way i use them is to place them in the cargo hold of my hauler and take advantage of the fact that their capaity is greater than their volume.
i havent anchored one in a belt since i was a noob mining in a frigate.
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Thalanor
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:48:00 -
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secure containers are far too small, even giant ones. mining for 2 hours i can fill 3 jetcans, which is more than 21 giant secure containers. it simply isnt worth the effort (or the difficulty of fitting them into one belt) to spend ages placing these only to have to empty them a couple of hours later.
the only way i use them is to place them in the cargo hold of my hauler and take advantage of the fact that their capaity is greater than their volume.
i havent anchored one in a belt since i was a noob mining in a frigate.
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Autumn River
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:51:00 -
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Right.
If there was a secure cantainer that was as large as a cargo container, AND was able to be anchored near a belt, then that would make since.
So back to my original question. Why can't we fight against ore theifs?
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Autumn River
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:51:00 -
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Right.
If there was a secure cantainer that was as large as a cargo container, AND was able to be anchored near a belt, then that would make since.
So back to my original question. Why can't we fight against ore theifs?
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Keltin
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:51:00 -
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Try reading up on the Shiva features.
http://www.eve-online.com/features/shiva/aggression/
Might ask the question if these "stolen" goods will apply to things like ore in containers or not. It might, it might not.
"I have never had so much fun playing a game that I have trouble staying awake playing!" |
Keltin
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Posted - 2004.09.08 19:51:00 -
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Try reading up on the Shiva features.
http://www.eve-online.com/features/shiva/aggression/
Might ask the question if these "stolen" goods will apply to things like ore in containers or not. It might, it might not.
"I have never had so much fun playing a game that I have trouble staying awake playing!" |
Jozef Meurtrier
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:05:00 -
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I'm really not interested in yet-another-ore-thief debate since its pointless arguing with people who lack self responsibility.However I will say this: Shiva won't change 1 frickin' thing.People seem to think ore theft will stop after Shiva, well it won't.
If a miner doesn't already have the foresight to mine in 0.5-0.7 with secure cans, then he won't be fitting guns instead of lasers to shoot down would be ore thieves, now will he?
What will happen after shiva is that ore thieves will get flagged, but miners won't be able to do a damn thing about it *UNLESS* they exchange their miner¦ for guns, just in case.
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Jozef Meurtrier
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:05:00 -
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I'm really not interested in yet-another-ore-thief debate since its pointless arguing with people who lack self responsibility.However I will say this: Shiva won't change 1 frickin' thing.People seem to think ore theft will stop after Shiva, well it won't.
If a miner doesn't already have the foresight to mine in 0.5-0.7 with secure cans, then he won't be fitting guns instead of lasers to shoot down would be ore thieves, now will he?
What will happen after shiva is that ore thieves will get flagged, but miners won't be able to do a damn thing about it *UNLESS* they exchange their miner¦ for guns, just in case.
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:09:00 -
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Use secure cans or mine in 0.4 and below. I dunno why I bother saying it though 'cos nobody listens. Which, to be honest suits me just fine. 
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:09:00 -
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Use secure cans or mine in 0.4 and below. I dunno why I bother saying it though 'cos nobody listens. Which, to be honest suits me just fine.
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Autumn River
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier
I'm really not interested in yet-another-ore-thief debate since its pointless arguing with people who lack self responsibility.However I will say this: Shiva won't change 1 frickin' thing.People seem to think ore theft will stop after Shiva, well it won't.
If a miner doesn't already have the foresight to mine in 0.5-0.7 with secure cans, then he won't be fitting guns instead of lasers to shoot down would be ore thieves, now will he?
What will happen after shiva is that ore thieves will get flagged, but miners won't be able to do a damn thing about it *UNLESS* they exchange their miner¦ for guns, just in case.
If you are not interested then please don't post.
You are an angry little man and useless to anyone.
Now take your sly remarks elsewhere.
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Autumn River
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier
I'm really not interested in yet-another-ore-thief debate since its pointless arguing with people who lack self responsibility.However I will say this: Shiva won't change 1 frickin' thing.People seem to think ore theft will stop after Shiva, well it won't.
If a miner doesn't already have the foresight to mine in 0.5-0.7 with secure cans, then he won't be fitting guns instead of lasers to shoot down would be ore thieves, now will he?
What will happen after shiva is that ore thieves will get flagged, but miners won't be able to do a damn thing about it *UNLESS* they exchange their miner¦ for guns, just in case.
If you are not interested then please don't post.
You are an angry little man and useless to anyone.
Now take your sly remarks elsewhere.
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Brather
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:14:00 -
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simple really wait for shiva and in the meantime train your drones and interfacing skills
when shiva comes keep at least 4 to 5 combat drones with you and go mining let a thief come by...
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Brather
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:14:00 -
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simple really wait for shiva and in the meantime train your drones and interfacing skills
when shiva comes keep at least 4 to 5 combat drones with you and go mining let a thief come by...
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier
I'm really not interested in yet-another-ore-thief debate since its pointless arguing with people who lack self responsibility.However I will say this: Shiva won't change 1 frickin' thing.People seem to think ore theft will stop after Shiva, well it won't.
If a miner doesn't already have the foresight to mine in 0.5-0.7 with secure cans, then he won't be fitting guns instead of lasers to shoot down would be ore thieves, now will he?
What will happen after shiva is that ore thieves will get flagged, but miners won't be able to do a damn thing about it *UNLESS* they exchange their miner¦ for guns, just in case.
there are a number of "if's" in what i am about to say.
if ore theft is flagged as criminal then ore thieves will be picking on ever softer targets.
You are wrong in assuming nothing is going to happen if the miners dont swap the m2s for lasers.
For example enough spare capacity means i will be running a warp scrambler and a bunch of angry ogre drones will be pounding ore thieves into smaller bits.
But i dont suppose ore thieves will be stealing from those that can fight back. If they did they'd be operating in lower sec space now.
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier
I'm really not interested in yet-another-ore-thief debate since its pointless arguing with people who lack self responsibility.However I will say this: Shiva won't change 1 frickin' thing.People seem to think ore theft will stop after Shiva, well it won't.
If a miner doesn't already have the foresight to mine in 0.5-0.7 with secure cans, then he won't be fitting guns instead of lasers to shoot down would be ore thieves, now will he?
What will happen after shiva is that ore thieves will get flagged, but miners won't be able to do a damn thing about it *UNLESS* they exchange their miner¦ for guns, just in case.
there are a number of "if's" in what i am about to say.
if ore theft is flagged as criminal then ore thieves will be picking on ever softer targets.
You are wrong in assuming nothing is going to happen if the miners dont swap the m2s for lasers.
For example enough spare capacity means i will be running a warp scrambler and a bunch of angry ogre drones will be pounding ore thieves into smaller bits.
But i dont suppose ore thieves will be stealing from those that can fight back. If they did they'd be operating in lower sec space now.
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Malv
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier
You forfeited the chance to fight back the second you lost common sense.Secure containers were designed for a reason, you know.
Yes, you are right. Let me add a little something to this.
When you dont use secure cans you are taking a risk. By using insecure cans you are aknowledging the fact that there is risk involved in using them (ore thieves). If you get ore stolen it is because you did take the necessary precautions to reduce risk. If its so important use secure containers. It's your own fault if you lose it. There is no game rule saying that ore thieving is wrong.
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Malv
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier
You forfeited the chance to fight back the second you lost common sense.Secure containers were designed for a reason, you know.
Yes, you are right. Let me add a little something to this.
When you dont use secure cans you are taking a risk. By using insecure cans you are aknowledging the fact that there is risk involved in using them (ore thieves). If you get ore stolen it is because you did take the necessary precautions to reduce risk. If its so important use secure containers. It's your own fault if you lose it. There is no game rule saying that ore thieving is wrong.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:27:00 -
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Please keep the replies respectful and friendly even if you dont agree with the chosen profession of a person ingame.
Thank you
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:27:00 -
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Please keep the replies respectful and friendly even if you dont agree with the chosen profession of a person ingame.
Thank you
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:34:00 -
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i've read the changes in Shiva regarding this, and i'm sorry to say that i don't think we'll be able to shoot ore-thieves in Shiva anyway. as far as i can tell, the only change that's made is that the items (ore or loot) taken from a jet can by someone who is neither a gang member, corp member, or in very high standing with the creator of the jet can, will be labled as contraband.
this will mean that faction police at gates and stations will attack the thief upon scanning his or her cargohold. it will also mean that the contraband tags will have to be removed before the items can be sold on the Market. and that's it.
i have asked if stolen ore can be refined, and if so, if the minerals will retain the contraband tag. and further, can these minerals be used in construction, completely bypassing the contraband tagging?
let me shoot. it's so simple. let me shoot.
i don't want 100% secure high-production mining. i just want to be able to shoot, to tell my drones to kick their butt, whatever! but all this dancing around the issue and giving us a half-assed solution that leaves nothing up to the miner yet again regarding how to respond to theft, to me, is sad.
even the largest secure cans seem to have less capicity than that of a five year old child twenty or thirty minutes into a movie at the cinema. they are not a viable mining tool for high-production miners.
i want anyone that takes from my can that isn't also a corp member, gang member, or someone in very high standing with me, to become criminally flagged towards me. i want to shoot. i want to defend my claim. i want to interact. i want theft to be an exciting exchange of actions, not some pansy in a week-old character flying up in a hauler and nicking a good chunk of the ore i've mined and getting away, and then giving me **** about it afterwards in Local.
i just want the game to be more fun. and that means more interaction between players. isn't that what this game is about?
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:34:00 -
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i've read the changes in Shiva regarding this, and i'm sorry to say that i don't think we'll be able to shoot ore-thieves in Shiva anyway. as far as i can tell, the only change that's made is that the items (ore or loot) taken from a jet can by someone who is neither a gang member, corp member, or in very high standing with the creator of the jet can, will be labled as contraband.
this will mean that faction police at gates and stations will attack the thief upon scanning his or her cargohold. it will also mean that the contraband tags will have to be removed before the items can be sold on the Market. and that's it.
i have asked if stolen ore can be refined, and if so, if the minerals will retain the contraband tag. and further, can these minerals be used in construction, completely bypassing the contraband tagging?
let me shoot. it's so simple. let me shoot.
i don't want 100% secure high-production mining. i just want to be able to shoot, to tell my drones to kick their butt, whatever! but all this dancing around the issue and giving us a half-assed solution that leaves nothing up to the miner yet again regarding how to respond to theft, to me, is sad.
even the largest secure cans seem to have less capicity than that of a five year old child twenty or thirty minutes into a movie at the cinema. they are not a viable mining tool for high-production miners.
i want anyone that takes from my can that isn't also a corp member, gang member, or someone in very high standing with me, to become criminally flagged towards me. i want to shoot. i want to defend my claim. i want to interact. i want theft to be an exciting exchange of actions, not some pansy in a week-old character flying up in a hauler and nicking a good chunk of the ore i've mined and getting away, and then giving me **** about it afterwards in Local.
i just want the game to be more fun. and that means more interaction between players. isn't that what this game is about?
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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Elucidate
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:41:00 -
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Let's put it this way:
Ore Thieves reason that ore theft is their right, because it's a game mechanic.
Miners argue that ore theft shouldn't be allowed on the grounds that basic common respect for other people should over-ride the desire to deprive someone of their time spent.
Sure, game mechanics allow it, but common respect would stop a decent person from continuing beyond the 'thinking about it' stage. Ore Thieves are not respectable people that have respect for others.
Discuss. (And you can flame me all you want, but in the end, I'm still right and you're still a disrespectful scumbag!)
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Elucidate - Extraordinarily Lazy Miner |
Elucidate
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Posted - 2004.09.08 20:41:00 -
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Let's put it this way:
Ore Thieves reason that ore theft is their right, because it's a game mechanic.
Miners argue that ore theft shouldn't be allowed on the grounds that basic common respect for other people should over-ride the desire to deprive someone of their time spent.
Sure, game mechanics allow it, but common respect would stop a decent person from continuing beyond the 'thinking about it' stage. Ore Thieves are not respectable people that have respect for others.
Discuss. (And you can flame me all you want, but in the end, I'm still right and you're still a disrespectful scumbag!)
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Elucidate - Extraordinarily Lazy Miner |
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