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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.05.26 02:33:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Known on 26/05/2009 02:33:29
First off: a corpmate of mine saw a freighter get ganked in hi-sec first-hand (he was also flying a freighter), so don't believe that they cannot be ganked. It was in a .5 system though, so concord took a while to respond.
There's also a way to keep scanners from finding your loot: make a courier contract to yourself, then place the resulting container in a GSC or something similar. The cargo scanner picks up the GSC and the other container, but not the goodies inside. Problem solved. However, this "could" provoke a gank in itself since you may have something to hide, but that'll change if there's only 1 tritanium in that box. 
Another method: Make more than one trip 
Edit: page 3 snypah
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.26 05:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Crap. All I have to do is wait at a station for you to undock. Scan your cargo. And kill you before you align which is easy to do in a single volley on even a tanked t1.
To kill a tanked T1 in a single volley, you're talking about using 8-10 battleships, at which point costs start to increase even with insurance in mind. Yes, it can be done, but it gets harder and harder: they suddenly need to scan both your cargo and your fittings (and have time to analyse them to see if they have enough people) before you're off…
Also, dying before you align can be sorted by not aligning — instas are good for you and well worth the extra time if you're going to carry something gank-worthy.
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Hardly essential. There are tens of thousands of targets in alliances / corps available to be declared on if you want to kill easy t1 targets.
No, very essential, and for the exact opposite reason: there are plenty of targets that can't be decced.
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As for the 'Never Safe', that is untrue.
So now you're saying that ganks don't exist? No, it's never safe. And no, not even for the gankers. For one, they tend to have no tank (why bother - increases the cost and makes no difference) and are therefore usually very easy to kill… not that there's much to gain from it other than luls (which is often enough). 
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In a freighter, you are again 100% safe, when is the last time you saw a freighter being suicided in empire? Unbalanced and without risk at all.
A couple of weeks ago, actually, but yes: since freighters are a cornerstone of large-scale logistics, they need to be easier to attack.
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Josehpine
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Posted - 2009.05.26 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Word of your untancked t1 hauler going bang has reached me on my holiday deep in +sterreich where the keyboards have odd letters and keys in the wrong places.
I would like to take this time to laugh at your tears that run faster than the local river filled with mel****er.
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Maureen D
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Posted - 2009.05.26 09:57:00 -
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it's the kind of whining in the op that killed pvp enough allrdy in EVE. We don't have our sandbox mode anymore. But go on your ******ness just shows how much CCP is trying to fix the game for you as the more ******s join eve = the more money for CCP. Because before those kind of poeple mostly left before their trial ended.
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Demos Mast
Gallente
Paradigm Council
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Posted - 2009.05.26 10:01:00 -
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Im less than 1 month old and ive quickly learned (not through experience mind you) that a big rule of thumb is as follows:
The only thing you should ever have in your cargo (unless your hauling crap around...in that case good luck)
is ammo and mission crap.
Also if the fittings on your ship represent a massive portion of your net worth, you really shouldn't have gotten those fittings yet begin with. Don't purchase what you cant afford to lose.
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Nomore Telindus
Gallente
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.05.26 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: big fluf
right .. so .. I can't fly t2 ships.
expanders , . I guess I could carry them in cargo until I needed them - kinda pain putting them on and off.
Hardeners - them might work better. - not sure it would have made any difference - it might have bought a bit of time I needed though.
Watch the EHP on the fitting screen. The more the better.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Infused Pirating
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Posted - 2009.05.26 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 26/05/2009 10:16:34
Been playing EvE since 2003. I live almost exclusively in high sec. Never seen a freighter gank. Seen a lot of t1 ganks though.
This type of complaint is not what killed PvP in EVE. The sort of whining we saw over Privateers when they had 100+ war decs on alliances and corps is the type of whining that got pvp nerfed to hell.
T1 ganking is a stupid mechanics and could be fixed by a few simple changes to make it risky for BOTH SIDES.
Until it is risky for BOTH SIDES then its gonna continue to be a stupid mechanic that needs a fix asap.
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headshrink
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.26 10:17:00 -
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Sentry guns in lowsec need revisiting. They still deal pre t2 damage. Everything got upgraded/changed over the years except sentry guns.
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Kaivos
Pyydys
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Posted - 2009.05.26 10:21:00 -
[69]
Originally by: big fluf
any thouhgts, ..
is everyone happy with the game mechanics .?
Yes.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.26 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
T1 ganking is a stupid mechanics and could be fixed by a few simple changes to make it risky for BOTH SIDES.
Until it is risky for BOTH SIDES then its gonna continue to be a stupid mechanic that needs a fix asap.
Get a sigil, fit a passive shield tank, fit agility mods in the lows and never go AFK and you have an indi that reduces the chances of getting ganked massivly.
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Ironnight
Caldari
x13
KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.05.26 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: big fluf
well I lost a WHOLE lota isk yesterday, getting ganked in a .8 system ...
concord took their sweet time responding to the guy attacking me , so I lost it all. - it was just slightly over 1/2 of my net worth - sorry I am kinda ****ed about that. I will say it before someone else does "but is part of the mechanics of the game".
so "concord" extracts revenge , It doesn't provide punishment eh ....
okay, .. fine ... I just think they suck at revenge - I want control of concord for a week so that show them what revenge looks like.
1) it starts with - IF you attack another ship - I blow up yours ...
2) if you BLOW up the other ship ... I will take your pod as well.
3) you do this more then 2 times I tow you low sec. and shoot you if you come back in .. I give you sec points back over time .
4) If you blow up another ship - I eather blow up the wreck, an dyou get nothing .. or I take the wreck, and use it to further fund the operations.
basically, the gankers have a situation where the risk/reward is WAY to heavy on the reward side .... for the WORSET case is they lost a ship they are expecting to lose anyway ...
any thouhgts, ..
is everyone happy with the game mechanics .?
PS - looking for a gank corp/buddies, post in here if your in to tha t.
Blame yourself, dont blame Concord or CCP, they didnt create the situation you did, if you carry enough stuff the reward vs risk will favour the gankers, you knew this, you decided to ignore it and got ganked, big surprise.
Yes I am happy with the gamemechanics in this area.
They're like 'oh **** son, its a trap *Doomsday* |
Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.05.26 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mulura
Originally by: Sumelar
High security does not mean safe. You are not safe anywhere unless logged off.
Fixed, even in stations people fall for scams :-/
Or Gallente Factional Nyx's.
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.05.26 17:02:00 -
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OP: Stop playing like a complete ****** or you deserve to get ganked. Flying around in a weak ship with expensive cargo is simply your own fault. There are ways to do that stuff safely so excercise them or stfu.
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Aglarond
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Posted - 2009.05.26 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Aglarond on 26/05/2009 17:13:55
Ya, putting that much isk in a T1 indy is just stupid. TBH you deserved to lose it for that. I do however think they need to buff the tier 2 T2 indy to take a better hit, or allow for a better buffer to be put on it. As it stands, it is too easy to crack the "tough nut" transport.
I have had several freighters take a suicide run and a few that didnt make it. Although I do believe that freighters should be a bit more difficult to suicide, and I still think they are your best bet when hauling stupid expensive things.
Kudo's to the gankers for teaching one more stupid person though :p
Edit: Cauz i spelz gud.
Abandon hope for the Caldari Race.
It's always a bitter moment when something gets nerfed. Not because CCP decided something genuinely needed an adjustment, but because somewhere some whiner is g |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 17:16:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 26/05/2009 10:16:34
Been playing EvE since 2003. I live almost exclusively in high sec. Never seen a freighter gank. Seen a lot of t1 ganks though.
This type of complaint is not what killed PvP in EVE. The sort of whining we saw over Privateers when they had 100+ war decs on alliances and corps is the type of whining that got pvp nerfed to hell.
T1 ganking is a stupid mechanics and could be fixed by a few simple changes to make it risky for BOTH SIDES.
Until it is risky for BOTH SIDES then its gonna continue to be a stupid mechanic that needs a fix asap.
make CONCORD evadable - with skill and top fittings and maybe a little luck - and you will see an end to suicide ganking.
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John Blackthorn
Foundation
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.05.26 17:30:00 -
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To the original poster I feel for you but the only thing you can do is learn how to avoid being ganked and try to rebuild your wealth.
If I am flying my frightor I never carry more than what the frightor is worth... ie about 1B isk. Even if I have to make multiable trips.
IF your flying t1 hauler then limit your self to 30-50M of materials. Otherwise it's too tempting.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.05.26 18:03:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Agent Known
Edited by: Agent Known on 26/05/2009 02:33:29
First off: a corpmate of mine saw a freighter get ganked in hi-sec first-hand (he was also flying a freighter), so don't believe that they cannot be ganked. It was in a .5 system though, so concord took a while to respond...
You meant he was in Uedama.
Delenda est achura. |
Turin
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:18:00 -
[78]
Originally by: big fluf
any thouhgts, ..
is everyone happy with the game mechanics .?
The only thing I would change is that if you get concorded, you do NOT get insurance payout.
Nothing more.
ATM it is way to cheap to gank in empire using T1 mods.
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Wacktopia
Infinity Miners Union
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:43:00 -
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is everyone happy with the game mechanics .?
Yes. You need to grow some bigger kahoonas and man up, my friend.
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Ex Cruoris Libertas
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Posted - 2009.05.26 22:53:00 -
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meh get rid of C.O.N.C.O.R.D. and let the players do the policing. Eve is supposed to be a sandbox player-driven game, right?
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Lord Timelord
Point of No Return
Blade.
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Posted - 2009.05.27 04:07:00 -
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I've been playing EVE for over 5 years, so I'll offer some advice that supplements some of the above information.
I suggest that you download these three excellent programs for experimenting with fitting your ships(EFT and EveHQ), and planning your skills (EveMon). Make sure to check out the BattleClinic website as well.
Eve Fitting Tool (often referred to as EFT)
EveHQ (combines EFT abilities with EveMons Skills Below)
EveMon (skill monitor and planner)
BattleClinic (good site for reference fittings, and more)
EFT uses less resources to run, but will work for 'getting your feet wet' at first. As you progress with EFT, you may want to use EveHQ. EveHQ uses a lot of system resources (ram hog), but it combines the usefulness of EFT with the Skill Monitor/Planning program EveMON.
You can also create an account at BattleClinic and check out various ship fittings that have been submitted to get you started in the right direction.
You'll find those above programs VERY useful! 
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.05.27 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Word of your untancked t1 hauler going bang has reached me on my holiday deep in +sterreich where the keyboards have odd letters and keys in the wrong places.
Word have reached me too, and I am even on the other sie of the planet in Lijiang.
I have flown billions around in high sec and it is dirt easy. Just as long you use a well tanked industrial/transport ship and don't fly using the autopilot of course.
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Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Nuzzy Futs
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Posted - 2009.05.27 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
Autopilot - don't ever use it unless you don't care about the ship/cargo/jumpclone.
/thread
here is the answer. Don't autopilot if your carrying anything.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.05.28 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lidirt
How realistic is it that they show up that fast in FREAKING SPACE? HI, SPACE IS BIG. heh.
RL Space IS BIG. But in Eve, space is really really really tiny.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.28 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Originally by: Lidirt
How realistic is it that they show up that fast in FREAKING SPACE? HI, SPACE IS BIG. heh.
RL Space IS BIG. But in Eve, space is really really really tiny.
…and filled with mineral oil.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Marquis Zenas
m3 Corp
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.28 11:21:00 -
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I love how threads like this fill up with people bemoaning the insurance system for being unrealistic and having no comparison in reality yet compeletly ignoring the elephant in the room that is the omnipotent CONCORD.
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