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big fluf	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:29:00 - [1] well I lost a WHOLE lota isk yesterday, getting ganked in a .8 system ... concord took their sweet time responding to the guy attacking me , so I lost it all. - it was just slightly over 1/2 of my net worth - sorry I am kinda ****ed about that. I will say it before someone else does "but is part of the mechanics of the game". so "concord" extracts revenge , It doesn't provide punishment eh .... okay, .. fine ... I just think they suck at revenge - I want control of concord for a week so that show them what revenge looks like. 1) it starts with - IF you attack another ship - I blow up yours ... 2) if you BLOW up the other ship ... I will take your pod as well. 3) you do this more then 2 times I tow you low sec. and shoot you if you come back in .. I give you sec points back over time . 4) If you blow up another ship - I eather blow up the wreck, an dyou get nothing .. or I take the wreck, and use it to further fund the operations. basically, the gankers have a situation where the risk/reward is WAY to heavy on the reward side .... for the WORSET case is they lost a ship they are expecting to lose anyway ... any thouhgts, .. is everyone happy with the game mechanics .? PS - looking for a gank corp/buddies, post in here if your in to tha t.
CountOtto Black Circus Fantastique	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:31:00 - [2] Were you flying a tech 1 indy?
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:32:00 - [3] Do not put half your eggs in a wet paper bag and leave it on a busy road? -------- Ideas for: Mining
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:34:00 - [4] Do not fly in an untanked hauler. Nowhere in EVE is safe.
CountOtto Black Circus Fantastique	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:35:00 - [5] Originally by: big fluf is everyone happy with the game mechanics .? In a word. Yes.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:36:00 - [6] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Do not fly in an untanked hauler. Nowhere in EVE is safe. if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:42:00 - [7] Originally by: big fluf any thouhgts, .. is everyone happy with the game mechanics .? Not really. It should be a lot easer to gank people in highsec. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:46:00 - [8] Either haul your stuff in a tanked/plated battleship, or just get a Crane. I had the same Crane for over a year, even before the Blockade Runner boost, and it is THE way to move a fair amount of expensive stuff particularly in Empire.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:57:00 - [9] Wish we had a tank nerf. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Othran	Posted - 2009.05.24 21:14:00 - [10] Autopilot - don't ever use it unless you don't care about the ship/cargo/jumpclone. /thread

baltec1 Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.05.24 21:22:00 - [11] Word of your untancked t1 hauler going bang has reached me on my holiday deep in +sterreich where the keyboards have odd letters and keys in the wrong places. I would like to take this time to laugh at your tears that run faster than the local river filled with mel****er.
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.05.24 21:25:00 - [12] Look at how many people she hooked.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.05.24 21:32:00 - [13] If this is a troll then the forum is working as intended. If this isn't a troll then the game is working as intended. Either way, all's well that ends in lulz.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.24 21:36:00 - [14] It was me, I am in control of Concord and we were having a wet T shirt contest at the gay bar in Ours... top station, called Hershey Squirts, can't miss it Pomp FTW!!!
Malvaceae Veri Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.05.24 21:36:00 - [15] Well, you dolt, dont haul half a bil in a T1 hauler. ______________________________ (sig begins here) Thy life is failfit!
Lidirt AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.24 23:52:00 - [16] Edited by: Lidirt on 24/05/2009 23:55:12 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: big fluf any thouhgts, .. is everyone happy with the game mechanics .? Not really. It should be a lot easer to gank people in highsec. Agreed, the way CONCORD currently works is a little ridiculous. How often do RL cops show up 2 seconds after someone starts blazing their guns? How realistic is it that they show up that fast in FREAKING SPACE? HI, SPACE IS BIG. heh. Maybe they have precogs like PKD's Minority Report. Instead of showing up before it happens, maybe they wait for confirmation. Whatever, still a little silly. edit: Oh, anyway, I didn't get to the point: If anything, it should be a lot easier to gank. But if it was, the entire empire PVE community would be wiped out in a matter of days. Then the game would be completely ruined. So even though it doesn't make much sense, I believe it's a necessary evil.
Suboran Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:04:00 - [17] you fluffed big time
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:05:00 - [18] AHAHAHAHAHA You lost a ship And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now
Andrest Disch Amarr Letiferi Praedones	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:07:00 - [19] Originally by: big fluf have a situation where the risk/reward is WAY to heavy on the reward side I wonder where else in Eve we could possibly have a situation like this. Also, suicide ganking has been nerfed far too much already. Stop whining and fit a shield extender or two (you idiot).
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:10:00 - [20] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 25/05/2009 00:10:24 Originally by: big fluf well I lost a WHOLE lota isk yesterday, getting ganked in a .8 system ... concord took their sweet time responding to the guy attacking me , so I lost it all. - it was just slightly over 1/2 of my net worth - sorry I am kinda **ed about that. I will say it before someone else does "but is part of the mechanics of the game". so "concord" extracts revenge , It doesn't provide punishment eh .... okay, .. fine ... I just think they suck at revenge - I want control of concord for a week so that show them what revenge looks like. 1) it starts with - IF you attack another ship - I blow up yours ... 2) if you BLOW up the other ship ... I will take your pod as well. 3) you do this more then 2 times I tow you low sec. and shoot you if you come back in .. I give you sec points back over time . 4) If you blow up another ship - I eather blow up the wreck, an dyou get nothing .. or I take the wreck, and use it to further fund the operations. basically, the gankers have a situation where the risk/reward is WAY to heavy on the reward side .... for the WORSET case is they lost a ship they are expecting to lose anyway ... any thouhgts, .. is everyone happy with the game mechanics .? PS - looking for a gank corp/buddies, post in here if your in to tha t. ill try to ignore the others in this thread.. 1. What where you flying? Did you fly a hauler? And what where you hauling? 2. What where your protections? 3. If you flew items of high value, what kind of precations did you take? EVE Highsec is reasonably safe. Some things maybe are too easy for the pirates. Some things are maybe too much in favor of the carebears. But in general its pretty well balanced. All comes down to this: What where you transporting what kind of precations did you take? Originally by:** Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL

MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:21:00 - [21] wouldn't it be interesting if damage had a sort of stacking penalty? As in, the more people targeting one target it decreases the targets sig radius, increasing the traversal velocity. That way maybe fleet battles would have people choosing multiple targets to maximize damage and such. but the issue with this idea has always been that you cuold lock each other and other stuff like that.
Brechan Skene	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:33:00 - [22] wish we had afk care bear nerf as well
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.25 03:51:00 - [23] Think it is bad now, imagine how it was before the gank nerf. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Pater Peccavi Minmatar Cadre Assault Force	Posted - 2009.05.25 03:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Blane Xero Wish we had a tank nerf. Confirming that tank is over-powered, its rendering the alpha of my artillery useless Originally by: hi go Let the human be very annoyed! Another person is very repugnant!
FreddyMac	Posted - 2009.05.25 04:10:00 - [25] So you are mad because you lost a ship and your stuff in a .6 system in highsec.....which isnt supposed to be SAFE, but SAFER? If you undock, you arent safe. What part of that did you not understand in your time playing Eve?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.05.25 04:30:00 - [26] if anything nerf concord.
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.05.25 04:31:00 - [27] I'm happy with this, except for Insurance still being paid to suicide gankers.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.05.25 05:41:00 - [28] Hey guys. Yesterday, I withdrew my life savings from my bank. I drove into inner Los Angeles, parked at a low-end hotel, and left my money in my car. Why was my money gone the next day?
Serpents smile	Posted - 2009.05.25 05:56:00 - [29] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: big fluf any thouhgts, .. is everyone happy with the game mechanics .? Not really. It should be a lot easer to gank people in highsec. And we all know who we have to 'thank' for that. Don't we?
Fon Revedhort Monks of War United Legion	Posted - 2009.05.25 06:06:00 - [30] Nice read, thanks. Please, post moar should you get ganked again. ---

Commandobob United Black Legion	Posted - 2009.05.25 06:38:00 - [31] Obvious troll is obvious.
Sumelar	Posted - 2009.05.25 06:41:00 - [32] High security does not mean safe. You are not safe anywhere but inside a station.
Mulura	Posted - 2009.05.25 08:04:00 - [33] Originally by: Sumelar High security does not mean safe. You are not safe anywhere unless logged off. Fixed, even in stations people fall for scams :-/ Need a Better Sig.
davcin Caldari davcin Corp	Posted - 2009.05.25 09:26:00 - [34] Edited by: davcin on 25/05/2009 09:28:15 Edited by: davcin on 25/05/2009 09:28:04 Never mind (should start reading the posts better) ____________________________________________ EVEViewer - view your journal, orders, transactions out of the game.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.25 09:29:00 - [35] heh, ganking was nerfed. You did something wrong if you where ganked tbh. Flying valuables in T1 indys is never a good idea :). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Some Advisor	Posted - 2009.05.25 09:44:00 - [36] Originally by: CountOtto Black Originally by: big fluf is everyone happy with the game mechanics .? In a word. Yes. na come, there are things that are not nice (like getting ganked in an unfitted hauler) but in general, the mechanics are fine :P mostly... (looks over at the current scanissues mechanics and shivers)
Belmarduk Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.05.25 10:01:00 - [37] Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder I'm happy with this, except for Insurance still being paid to suicide gankers. This - but remove the gank-nerf again ! Mainchar:
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.25 10:26:00 - [38] 2/10 weak but still got quite a few bites
Infinity Ziona Minmatar I AM BETTER THAN YOU	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:10:00 - [39] Originally by: CountOtto Black Were you flying a tech 1 indy? [ 2009.05.25 08:24:25 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Neutron Blaster Cannon II is well aimed at L DOPA [DMM3](Crane), inflicting 1670.1 damage. [ 2009.05.25 08:24:30 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Neutron Blaster Cannon II is well aimed at L DOPA [DMM3](Crane), inflicting 3266.2 damage. [ 2009.05.25 08:24:31 ] (notify) Stasis Webifier II deactivates as L DOPA's Crane begins to explode. Was testing out my gank hyperion to see if I could pop a passive tanked afk transport. Worked better than expected. Lost my alts crane - expensive mistake but goes to show even t2 indies arent safe from a single gank fit ship.
Rordan D'Kherr Amarr	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Dirk Magnum If this is a troll then the forum is working as intended. If this isn't a troll then the game is working as intended. Either way, all's well that ends in lulz. True words.

Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:48:00 - [41] Edited by: Zaerlorth Maelkor on 25/05/2009 11:49:18 Too many people failing for this painfully obvious troll. Edit: Changed falling to failing
eddie valvetino Caldari Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:50:00 - [42] what's a "worset" ?
Eli Porter Amarr Broski Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: CountOtto Black Were you flying a tech 1 indy? [ 2009.05.25 08:24:25 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Neutron Blaster Cannon II is well aimed at L DOPA [DMM3](Crane), inflicting 1670.1 damage. [ 2009.05.25 08:24:30 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Neutron Blaster Cannon II is well aimed at L DOPA [DMM3](Crane), inflicting 3266.2 damage. [ 2009.05.25 08:24:31 ] (notify) Stasis Webifier II deactivates as L DOPA's Crane begins to explode. Was testing out my gank hyperion to see if I could pop a passive tanked afk transport. Worked better than expected. Lost my alts crane - expensive mistake but goes to show even t2 indies arent safe from a single gank fit ship. That really depends on the fit. Looking at the battle logs he was probably missing a shield extender or two. A good highsec crane fit would be: 2 Expanded Cargohold II Large Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II 2x Invulnerability Field II
Miss Xerox	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:52:00 - [44] Don't nerf empire ganking (yes, it's almost happened to me a time or two, but I was prepared and survived)... Just remove insurance for CONCORD kills. If the pirate is willing to take the ISK loss then you're still fair game.
MILK Monk Knights of the Silver Dawn Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:56:00 - [45] Originally by: Miss Xerox ... Just remove insurance for CONCORD kills... this is the only change that is imo very needed for high sec ganking... otherwise it is actualy form of insurance fraud... but ganking T1 indies and generally ganking in High sec is completely OK (yes I was also ganked this way ) It actually provides amazing portion of real emotions in fiction universe
Rex Garvin	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:57:00 - [46] If it was up to me no one could attack a player in high sec but thats part of the game. You knew the risks and you got bit.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar I AM BETTER THAN YOU	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:57:00 - [47] Originally by: Eli Porter Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: CountOtto Black Were you flying a tech 1 indy? [ 2009.05.25 08:24:25 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Neutron Blaster Cannon II is well aimed at L DOPA [DMM3](Crane), inflicting 1670.1 damage. [ 2009.05.25 08:24:30 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Neutron Blaster Cannon II is well aimed at L DOPA [DMM3](Crane), inflicting 3266.2 damage. [ 2009.05.25 08:24:31 ] (notify) Stasis Webifier II deactivates as L DOPA's Crane begins to explode. Was testing out my gank hyperion to see if I could pop a passive tanked afk transport. Worked better than expected. Lost my alts crane - expensive mistake but goes to show even t2 indies arent safe from a single gank fit ship. That really depends on the fit. Looking at the battle logs he was probably missing a shield extender or two. A good highsec crane fit would be: 2 Expanded Cargohold II Large Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II 2x Invulnerability Field II Invul wont work. Have to be passively tanked for afk travel. Thats what I was testing. Your right though, needed extenders.
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2009.05.25 13:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Pater Peccavi Originally by: Blane Xero Wish we had a tank nerf. Confirming that tank is over-powered, its rendering the alpha of my artillery useless C
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.25 13:12:00 - [49] this thread prob just made the ganker extra happy lol
big fluf	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:13:00 - [50] to all the "this is a troll" people .. congratulation.. your paranoia is progressing as planned ....to the other people asking for more info.... the ship I was flying was a iteron 4 cargo expanders in the bottoms, and 4 shield boosters in the mids. I was "manual" warping, . not AFK AutoPilot. the reason the cargo was so expensive is that it is the product of gas reactions. -the gas is HUGE when it goes in - a full cargo hold is only 6 hours of processing. and very very small when it comes out. - but I need to pick up the next load of gas so I take a big ship with me. I was ganked in kaperteen - a few jumps from jita. the system was .8 - fairly high. the attacking ship was a brutix/ gank fit w blaster. - and at activated my shild boosters after teh first volley (ie immeadatly).

Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:19:00 - [51] Originally by: big fluf the ship I was flying was a iteron First mistake. T1 = pop. Quote: 4 cargo expanders in the bottoms, Second mistake. Expanders = less tank = more pop. Quote: and 4 shield boosters in the mids. Third mistake. Active tank = highly susceptible to alpha-strikes (which is what you use to kill before concord gets there) = even more pop. Also, no hardeners = boosting/rep counts for nothing = pop pop pop. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
big fluf	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:26:00 - [52] right .. so .. I can't fly t2 ships. expanders , . I guess I could carry them in cargo until I needed them - kinda pain putting them on and off. Hardeners - them might work better. - not sure it would have made any difference - it might have bought a bit of time I needed though.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar I AM BETTER THAN YOU	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:48:00 - [53] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 25/05/2009 14:49:56 Quote: Originally by: Tippia Originally by: big fluf the ship I was flying was a iteron First mistake. T1 = pop. An entire class of ship, being a required stage to pass through to t2 ships, and requiring significant training time, being made redundant in high sec by a very small segmant of the population is a failure by ccp to balance the game. I am all for high sec non-consensual pvp, in fact thats all I do in EvE, war dec high sec alliances / corps but suicide ganking is the equivalent of spawn-camping EQ zone ins or killing level 1's in newbie zones in WoW. It does nothing to enhance the game. Quote: Quote: 4 cargo expanders in the bottoms, Second mistake. Expanders = less tank = more pop. Its a fugging industrial ship in high sec. That's what goes in the bottom of an industrial ship. And regardless of what you put in the bottom of a t1 industrial it can be ganked if the goods you are carrying are good enough to gank it. Quote: Quote: and 4 shield boosters in the mids. Third mistake. Active tank = highly susceptible to alpha-strikes (which is what you use to kill before concord gets there) = even more pop. Also, no hardeners = boosting/rep counts for nothing = pop pop pop. I agree with this. Shield boosters are not gonna cut it. Extenders, damage control, Hardners but regardless if they want to pop you will pop in a t1. Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar I AM BETTER THAN YOU	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:53:00 - [54] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 25/05/2009 14:55:43 Originally by: big fluf right .. so .. I can't fly t2 ships. expanders , . I guess I could carry them in cargo until I needed them - kinda pain putting them on and off. Hardeners - them might work better. - not sure it would have made any difference - it might have bought a bit of time I needed though. Your pretty much screwed if you want to trade in T1 indies and someone wants to gank you. The irony is once you put in enough training you can get a freighter and spend the rest of your eve life being afk in high sec trading. Apparently its totally fine to be completely safe in a freighter but your not allowed to expect the same thing in a t1 or even t2 indy. I dont trade or go afk in indies at all and I dont own a frieghter as Im almost always at war in high sec, I still think its bs to be popped like you were though. Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:58:00 - [55] Originally by: Infinity Ziona An entire class of ship, being a required stage to pass through to t2 ships, and requiring significant training time, being made redundant in high sec by a very small segmant of the population is a failure by ccp to balance the game. Not really, no. You just have to be aware of their limitations and fly them accordingly. Their fragility is what give the T2 variants their value, but they still have a value of their own. Quote: I am all for high sec non-consensual pvp, in fact thats all I do in EvE, war dec high sec alliances / corps but suicide ganking is the equivalent of spawn-camping EQ zone ins or killing level 1's in newbie zones in WoW. It does nothing to enhance the game. Yes it does — it (somewhat) mitigates the protection offered by NPC- and alt corps. It is currently essential to the game. Ganking newbies in the newbie systems is more apt comparison, and as it happens, this is a bannable offense. Quote: Its a fugging industrial ship in high sec. That's what goes in the bottom of an industrial ship. It goes in the bottom if you either have another way of tanking the ships or if you're carrying something that's high-volume/low-value or if you believe it's safe (it never is). The fact of the matter is that it lowers your tank, and you need to take this into consideration when you figure what you want to haul with them. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Infinity Ziona Minmatar I AM BETTER THAN YOU	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:26:00 - [56] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Infinity Ziona An entire class of ship, being a required stage to pass through to t2 ships, and requiring significant training time, being made redundant in high sec by a very small segmant of the population is a failure by ccp to balance the game. Not really, no. You just have to be aware of their limitations and fly them accordingly. Their fragility is what give the T2 variants their value, but they still have a value of their own. Quote: I am all for high sec non-consensual pvp, in fact thats all I do in EvE, war dec high sec alliances / corps but suicide ganking is the equivalent of spawn-camping EQ zone ins or killing level 1's in newbie zones in WoW. It does nothing to enhance the game. Yes it does ù it (somewhat) mitigates the protection offered by NPC- and alt corps. It is currently essential to the game. Ganking newbies in the newbie systems is more apt comparison, and as it happens, this is a bannable offense. Quote: Its a fugging industrial ship in high sec. That's what goes in the bottom of an industrial ship. It goes in the bottom if you either have another way of tanking the ships or if you're carrying something that's high-volume/low-value or if you believe it's safe (it never is). The fact of the matter is that it lowers your tank, and you need to take this into consideration when you figure what you want to haul with them. Crap. All I have to do is wait at a station for you to undock. Scan your cargo. And kill you before you align which is easy to do in a single volley on even a tanked t1. Hardly essential. There are tens of thousands of targets in alliances / corps available to be declared on if you want to kill easy t1 targets. The only difference is you do not get to be immune in your BS / BC before attacking and you face some risk of losing your ship before you find a suitable target to gank. As for the 'Never Safe', that is untrue. Its 100% safe for the ganker until he attacks, even then he's 100% insured against his loss, so for the ganker, yes you are safe, protected by concord, and insured by CCP. In a freighter, you are again 100% safe, when is the last time you saw a freighter being suicided in empire? Unbalanced and without risk at all. I'd very much like to see freighters require corp certificate to undock and scooping suicide cargo being met with concord response and or no insurance for suiciding. Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Benzaiten Reverse Caldari Shokei	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:43:00 - [57] Originally by: Dirk Magnum If this is a troll then the forum is working as intended. If this isn't a troll then the game is working as intended. Either way, all's well that ends in lulz. If all working as intended you will see more people in lowsec which is now mostly empty due low risk for gankers, high risk for anyone else, unless you have hunderets pilots at your disposal. Gues why most of lowsec pirated do not ever go to 0.0, they dont want pvp, they want easy kills and curent system is not even making it harder for them as it should be.
XSarah	Posted - 2009.05.25 16:35:00 - [58] I love this thread
Mal Drakken Minmatar House Of Shadows	Posted - 2009.05.26 01:50:00 - [59] Very simple fix to suicide ganking require a war dec for combat in .5 and above, and also to weed out the trailer trash that hide in NPC corps allow them to be war deced to so you can get at the salvage thief, or the can fliper ect. In my opinion suicide ganking is wrong, the people concord kill should not get any insurance pay out back. Since eve is a pvp game lets take out the randomness of the gank and add a nice big fat war dec to the mix, or at least as one poster said remove there insurance pay out. On a slight off topic let us fight over mission/belt salvage as well :)
Lidirt AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.26 02:12:00 - [60] Originally by: Miss Xerox Just remove insurance for CONCORD kills. If the pirate is willing to take the ISK loss then you're still fair game. Hey that makes a lot of sense actually. If your car got blown up while you were running an 18 wheeler off the road, I really doubt your insurance would PAY YOU for your jacked up car, lol.

Agent Known Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.05.26 02:33:00 - [61] Edited by: Agent Known on 26/05/2009 02:33:29 First off: a corpmate of mine saw a freighter get ganked in hi-sec first-hand (he was also flying a freighter), so don't believe that they cannot be ganked. It was in a .5 system though, so concord took a while to respond. There's also a way to keep scanners from finding your loot: make a courier contract to yourself, then place the resulting container in a GSC or something similar. The cargo scanner picks up the GSC and the other container, but not the goodies inside. Problem solved. However, this "could" provoke a gank in itself since you may have something to hide, but that'll change if there's only 1 tritanium in that box. Another method: Make more than one trip Edit: page 3 snypah
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.26 05:17:00 - [62] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Crap. All I have to do is wait at a station for you to undock. Scan your cargo. And kill you before you align which is easy to do in a single volley on even a tanked t1. To kill a tanked T1 in a single volley, you're talking about using 8-10 battleships, at which point costs start to increase even with insurance in mind. Yes, it can be done, but it gets harder and harder: they suddenly need to scan both your cargo and your fittings (and have time to analyse them to see if they have enough people) before you're off… Also, dying before you align can be sorted by not aligning — instas are good for you and well worth the extra time if you're going to carry something gank-worthy. Quote: Hardly essential. There are tens of thousands of targets in alliances / corps available to be declared on if you want to kill easy t1 targets. No, very essential, and for the exact opposite reason: there are plenty of targets that can't be decced. Quote: As for the 'Never Safe', that is untrue. So now you're saying that ganks don't exist? No, it's never safe. And no, not even for the gankers. For one, they tend to have no tank (why bother - increases the cost and makes no difference) and are therefore usually very easy to kill… not that there's much to gain from it other than luls (which is often enough). Quote: In a freighter, you are again 100% safe, when is the last time you saw a freighter being suicided in empire? Unbalanced and without risk at all. A couple of weeks ago, actually, but yes: since freighters are a cornerstone of large-scale logistics, they need to be easier to attack. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Josehpine	Posted - 2009.05.26 06:56:00 - [63] Originally by: baltec1 Word of your untancked t1 hauler going bang has reached me on my holiday deep in +sterreich where the keyboards have odd letters and keys in the wrong places. I would like to take this time to laugh at your tears that run faster than the local river filled with mel****er.
Maureen D	Posted - 2009.05.26 09:57:00 - [64] it's the kind of whining in the op that killed pvp enough allrdy in EVE. We don't have our sandbox mode anymore. But go on your ****ness just shows how much CCP is trying to fix the game for you as the more ****s join eve = the more money for CCP. Because before those kind of poeple mostly left before their trial ended.
Demos Mast Gallente Paradigm Council	Posted - 2009.05.26 10:01:00 - [65] Im less than 1 month old and ive quickly learned (not through experience mind you) that a big rule of thumb is as follows: The only thing you should ever have in your cargo (unless your hauling crap around...in that case good luck) is ammo and mission crap. Also if the fittings on your ship represent a massive portion of your net worth, you really shouldn't have gotten those fittings yet begin with. Don't purchase what you cant afford to lose.
Nomore Telindus Gallente Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2009.05.26 10:11:00 - [66] Originally by: big fluf right .. so .. I can't fly t2 ships. expanders , . I guess I could carry them in cargo until I needed them - kinda pain putting them on and off. Hardeners - them might work better. - not sure it would have made any difference - it might have bought a bit of time I needed though. Watch the EHP on the fitting screen. The more the better.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Infused Pirating	Posted - 2009.05.26 10:13:00 - [67] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 26/05/2009 10:16:34 Been playing EvE since 2003. I live almost exclusively in high sec. Never seen a freighter gank. Seen a lot of t1 ganks though. This type of complaint is not what killed PvP in EVE. The sort of whining we saw over Privateers when they had 100+ war decs on alliances and corps is the type of whining that got pvp nerfed to hell. T1 ganking is a stupid mechanics and could be fixed by a few simple changes to make it risky for BOTH SIDES. Until it is risky for BOTH SIDES then its gonna continue to be a stupid mechanic that needs a fix asap. Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
headshrink Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.26 10:17:00 - [68] Sentry guns in lowsec need revisiting. They still deal pre t2 damage. Everything got upgraded/changed over the years except sentry guns.
Kaivos Pyydys	Posted - 2009.05.26 10:21:00 - [69] Originally by: big fluf any thouhgts, .. is everyone happy with the game mechanics .? Yes.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.05.26 12:22:00 - [70] Originally by: Infinity Ziona T1 ganking is a stupid mechanics and could be fixed by a few simple changes to make it risky for BOTH SIDES. Until it is risky for BOTH SIDES then its gonna continue to be a stupid mechanic that needs a fix asap. Get a sigil, fit a passive shield tank, fit agility mods in the lows and never go AFK and you have an indi that reduces the chances of getting ganked massivly.

Ironnight Caldari x13 KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.05.26 12:40:00 - [71] Originally by: big fluf well I lost a WHOLE lota isk yesterday, getting ganked in a .8 system ... concord took their sweet time responding to the guy attacking me , so I lost it all. - it was just slightly over 1/2 of my net worth - sorry I am kinda **ed about that. I will say it before someone else does "but is part of the mechanics of the game". so "concord" extracts revenge , It doesn't provide punishment eh .... okay, .. fine ... I just think they suck at revenge - I want control of concord for a week so that show them what revenge looks like. 1) it starts with - IF you attack another ship - I blow up yours ... 2) if you BLOW up the other ship ... I will take your pod as well. 3) you do this more then 2 times I tow you low sec. and shoot you if you come back in .. I give you sec points back over time . 4) If you blow up another ship - I eather blow up the wreck, an dyou get nothing .. or I take the wreck, and use it to further fund the operations. basically, the gankers have a situation where the risk/reward is WAY to heavy on the reward side .... for the WORSET case is they lost a ship they are expecting to lose anyway ... any thouhgts, .. is everyone happy with the game mechanics .? PS - looking for a gank corp/buddies, post in here if your in to tha t. Blame yourself, dont blame Concord or CCP, they didnt create the situation you did, if you carry enough stuff the reward vs risk will favour the gankers, you knew this, you decided to ignore it and got ganked, big surprise. Yes I am happy with the gamemechanics in this area. They're like 'oh ** son, its a trap Doomsday
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.05.26 12:41:00 - [72] Originally by: Mulura Originally by: Sumelar High security does not mean safe. You are not safe anywhere unless logged off. Fixed, even in stations people fall for scams :-/ Or Gallente Factional Nyx's.
Hariya	Posted - 2009.05.26 17:02:00 - [73] OP: Stop playing like a complete ****** or you deserve to get ganked. Flying around in a weak ship with expensive cargo is simply your own fault. There are ways to do that stuff safely so excercise them or stfu.
Aglarond	Posted - 2009.05.26 17:12:00 - [74] Edited by: Aglarond on 26/05/2009 17:13:55 Ya, putting that much isk in a T1 indy is just stupid. TBH you deserved to lose it for that. I do however think they need to buff the tier 2 T2 indy to take a better hit, or allow for a better buffer to be put on it. As it stands, it is too easy to crack the "tough nut" transport. I have had several freighters take a suicide run and a few that didnt make it. Although I do believe that freighters should be a bit more difficult to suicide, and I still think they are your best bet when hauling stupid expensive things. Kudo's to the gankers for teaching one more stupid person though :p Edit: Cauz i spelz gud. Abandon hope for the Caldari Race. It's always a bitter moment when something gets nerfed. Not because CCP decided something genuinely needed an adjustment, but because somewhere some whiner is g
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.26 17:16:00 - [75] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 26/05/2009 10:16:34 Been playing EvE since 2003. I live almost exclusively in high sec. Never seen a freighter gank. Seen a lot of t1 ganks though. This type of complaint is not what killed PvP in EVE. The sort of whining we saw over Privateers when they had 100+ war decs on alliances and corps is the type of whining that got pvp nerfed to hell. T1 ganking is a stupid mechanics and could be fixed by a few simple changes to make it risky for BOTH SIDES. Until it is risky for BOTH SIDES then its gonna continue to be a stupid mechanic that needs a fix asap. make CONCORD evadable - with skill and top fittings and maybe a little luck - and you will see an end to suicide ganking.
John Blackthorn Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.05.26 17:30:00 - [76] To the original poster I feel for you but the only thing you can do is learn how to avoid being ganked and try to rebuild your wealth. If I am flying my frightor I never carry more than what the frightor is worth... ie about 1B isk. Even if I have to make multiable trips. IF your flying t1 hauler then limit your self to 30-50M of materials. Otherwise it's too tempting.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.05.26 18:03:00 - [77] Originally by: Agent Known Edited by: Agent Known on 26/05/2009 02:33:29 First off: a corpmate of mine saw a freighter get ganked in hi-sec first-hand (he was also flying a freighter), so don't believe that they cannot be ganked. It was in a .5 system though, so concord took a while to respond... You meant he was in Uedama. Delenda est achura.
Turin Caldari Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.05.26 20:18:00 - [78] Originally by: big fluf any thouhgts, .. is everyone happy with the game mechanics .? The only thing I would change is that if you get concorded, you do NOT get insurance payout. Nothing more. ATM it is way to cheap to gank in empire using T1 mods.
Wacktopia Infinity Miners Union Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr	Posted - 2009.05.26 20:43:00 - [79] Quote: is everyone happy with the game mechanics .? Yes. You need to grow some bigger kahoonas and man up, my friend.
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Ex Cruoris Libertas	Posted - 2009.05.26 22:53:00 - [80] meh get rid of C.O.N.C.O.R.D. and let the players do the policing. Eve is supposed to be a sandbox player-driven game, right?

Lord Timelord Point of No Return Blade.	Posted - 2009.05.27 04:07:00 - [81] I've been playing EVE for over 5 years, so I'll offer some advice that supplements some of the above information. I suggest that you download these three excellent programs for experimenting with fitting your ships(EFT and EveHQ), and planning your skills (EveMon). Make sure to check out the BattleClinic website as well. Eve Fitting Tool (often referred to as EFT) EveHQ (combines EFT abilities with EveMons Skills Below) EveMon (skill monitor and planner) BattleClinic (good site for reference fittings, and more) EFT uses less resources to run, but will work for 'getting your feet wet' at first. As you progress with EFT, you may want to use EveHQ. EveHQ uses a lot of system resources (ram hog), but it combines the usefulness of EFT with the Skill Monitor/Planning program EveMON. You can also create an account at BattleClinic and check out various ship fittings that have been submitted to get you started in the right direction. You'll find those above programs VERY useful! __________
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.05.27 04:17:00 - [82] Originally by: baltec1 Word of your untancked t1 hauler going bang has reached me on my holiday deep in +sterreich where the keyboards have odd letters and keys in the wrong places. Word have reached me too, and I am even on the other sie of the planet in Lijiang. I have flown billions around in high sec and it is dirt easy. Just as long you use a well tanked industrial/transport ship and don't fly using the autopilot of course. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Nuzzy Futs	Posted - 2009.05.27 04:41:00 - [83] Originally by: Othran Autopilot - don't ever use it unless you don't care about the ship/cargo/jumpclone. /thread here is the answer. Don't autopilot if your carrying anything.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.05.28 07:08:00 - [84] Originally by: Lidirt How realistic is it that they show up that fast in FREAKING SPACE? HI, SPACE IS BIG. heh. RL Space IS BIG. But in Eve, space is really really really tiny.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.28 08:06:00 - [85] Originally by: Qui Shon Originally by: Lidirt How realistic is it that they show up that fast in FREAKING SPACE? HI, SPACE IS BIG. heh. RL Space IS BIG. But in Eve, space is really really really tiny. …and filled with mineral oil. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Marquis Zenas m3 Corp Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.28 11:21:00 - [86] I love how threads like this fill up with people bemoaning the insurance system for being unrealistic and having no comparison in reality yet compeletly ignoring the elephant in the room that is the omnipotent CONCORD. -------------------------- Sigless


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