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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:05:00 -
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The subject says it all. It seems to me that the more kill boards in existence, the less accurate any one of them will be. Yet it also seems some folk look at having a private kill board as a perk. So what am I missing?
If you have a private kill board, what's the advantage? If you want one, why? Thanks all.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:07:00 -
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I don't see the appeal in killboards in general. Seem to cause more problems than anything.
 Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:30:00 -
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Well, combat in this violent little corner we call Eve can become rather competitive, a killboard provides:
Easy data retrieval of past kills, useful to check fittings.
Easy data retrieval of past losses, useful when refining setups (memory can be fickle).
Statistical data to an idea of activity of hostiles.
etc. etc. etc.
Killboards are used for e-peen purposes by the weak-minded unimaginative delinquents only, for the rest of us they are yet another source of data to keep track of the complexity of Eve.
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Xianbei
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:33:00 -
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technical interest (enjoying deploying and running the backend software)
control (better uptime?,weed out fakes, create campaigns to track stats)
nifty extra features that let you glance at a pilot and know how active he has been, what ships he flies and how successful overall
really its all obvious so I guess IHBT
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X Gallentius
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: X Gallentius on 26/05/2009 20:50:15
Edited by: X Gallentius on 26/05/2009 20:49:03
http://www.eve-kill.net/
Specifically
http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=10964
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 26/05/2009 20:52:06
It also has to do with the fact that the big killboards (ahem Battleclinic) use such a convoluted and unreadable template compared to other killboard templates that are available. If your business in Eve involves linking to a killboard and saying "check out what we can do", you want something that states that information as plainly as possible.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.05.26 22:13:00 -
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Also the big killboards (such as Battleclinic) are all voluntary - they don't see a kill until someone posts it.
Corp and other killboards can be made compulsory via the limited API key, which depending on what you do in EvE can be important as most people won't post their losses.
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.05.27 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Greg6
The subject says it all. It seems to me that the more kill boards in existence, the less accurate any one of them will be. Yet it also seems some folk look at having a private kill board as a perk. So what am I missing?
If you have a private kill board, what's the advantage? If you want one, why? Thanks all.
At first I thought you meant "Private" as in a hidden/restricted killboard, that only corp/alliance members can access. I agree that those are rather pointless. If you are terrible at eve your enemies already know that, if you think you have secret leet setups you want to keep hidden you are mistaken, besides your losses are all publicly viewable on the attacker's KBs anyway. The only reason people have hidden/restricted killboards it to maintain the delusion that they are anything other than terrible, or gloat about their fantasy world efficiency, on KB's nobody else can view to point out how they're missing 90% of their losses.
But by private, you mean corp/alliance Killboards? Every corp/alliance in Eve with even an inkling of PVP interest needs their own killboard. It's not a perk, it's a requirement. The only people who can get away with not having one are empire/industry/carebear types who have no intention of ever PVPing.
Corp/Alliance KB's are only as accurate as the person who monitors them, ensuring mails are posted, that the api doesn't skip anything, and sync's the kb with the kb's of their opponents to ensure nothing get's missed. As long as they are well maintained, Corp/Alliance killboards can be 100% accurate for that corp/alliance's pvp activity.
The opinions expressed in my posts do represent my corp
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.05.27 01:16:00 -
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All killboards are kinda silly.
~ Santiago Fahahrri
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Havohej
Minmatar
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.05.27 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian
I don't see the appeal in killboards in general. Seem to cause more problems than anything.
Only if you're bad at PvP.
"You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
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Tagami Wasp
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Posted - 2009.05.27 04:39:00 -
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Data mining silly? You should meet a few engineers, sir!
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DeathEngine
Noshikkan
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.27 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Well, combat in this violent little corner we call Eve can become rather competitive, a killboard provides:
Easy data retrieval of past kills, useful to check fittings.
Easy data retrieval of past losses, useful when refining setups (memory can be fickle).
Statistical data to an idea of activity of hostiles.
etc. etc. etc.
This is true.
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Killboards are used for e-peen purposes by the weak-minded unimaginative delinquents only, for the rest of us they are yet another source of data to keep track of the complexity of Eve.
This demonstrates that you are an opinionated, judgemental weak-minded unimaginative delinquent. Whatever gives folk their kicks and keeps them playing Eve, is ok by me. What is wrong with someone measuring their efficiency by kill or isk ratio? What is wrong with someone just getting pleasure from scrolling through the list of ships they've killed?
Nothing.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.27 06:14:00 -
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A private killboard means that with the API I never have to post kills and/or losses. I don't like posting killmails, becomes a boring administrative grind after your first 100 or so.
Also, I really prefer public killboards not to having complete data available about what I fly and what my combat statistics are. If my enemies underestimate me, I get more fights.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.05.27 11:09:00 -
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I like killboards they deliver healthy competition within corp. I can see who is active, who sucks and who has problem with fittings. Of course this is my personal opinion.
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Wensley
Minmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.05.27 11:58:00 -
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I use mine for a combination of allowing me to look back and analyse fights and as an aid for story telling on my blog. Plus its kind of nice to have a complete historical record of all my fights. Because it pulls from a variety of sources I know its nice and up to date and will have any killmails I didn't realise I was on.
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Lubomir Penev
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.05.27 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere
At first I thought you meant "Private" as in a hidden/restricted killboard, that only corp/alliance members can access. I agree that those are rather pointless. If you are terrible at eve your enemies already know that, if you think you have secret leet setups you want to keep hidden you are mistaken, besides your losses are all publicly viewable on the attacker's KBs anyway. The only reason people have hidden/restricted killboards it to maintain the delusion that they are anything other than terrible, or gloat about their fantasy world efficiency, on KB's nobody else can view to point out how they're missing 90% of their losses.
Not agreeing. Private killboard have the ability to make you look less good than you are (a way bigger percentage of my death than my kills ended up on BC, thought neither are accurate). Which can get you fights.
If your kb is not about epeen waving it makes sense to make it private.
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Link Sys
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Posted - 2009.05.27 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Link Sys on 27/05/2009 17:08:23
I don't track or post kills/losses on any KB for the following reasons:
1. Not self-center
2. Don't need an ego boost
3. Don't care
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.27 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Anubis Xian
I don't see the appeal in killboards in general. Seem to cause more problems than anything.
Only if you're bad at PvP.
Being good or not at PvP has nothing to do with the perception that killboards prove something.
This perception is the very foundation of all the lamest tactics ever invented.
Nobody cares about the fight anymore, they care about the killmail.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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paddytehpyro
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: paddytehpyro on 27/05/2009 22:32:17
I see the KM as the reminder of a nice fight. I like browsing the corp killboard at times and seeing what people have been up to while I havn't been able to get online. Or look through the battlereports and see where I/the other guy screwed up and learn from it.
It also makes me feel more of a man to kill other peoples InternetSpaceships
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.05.28 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian
Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Anubis Xian
I don't see the appeal in killboards in general. Seem to cause more problems than anything.
Only if you're bad at PvP.
Being good or not at PvP has nothing to do with the perception that killboards prove something.
This perception is the very foundation of all the lamest tactics ever invented.
Nobody cares about the fight anymore, they care about the killmail.
tbh, for the most part I would rather fly with someone who defines success in EvE as a function of their killboard stats than someone who defines success in EvE as a function of their wallet balance.
Expanding on my above post, the public killboards are good for building up a record so if you apply to new corp you can point at it and say "Here are all my kills." You'll get lots of bonus points for posting your losses to these boards to since it's voluntary for the most part.
Private killboards are good for tracking your own corp or alliance's performance, since if you link them to API keys people can't fudge them by not posting loses or by posting fake KMs, both of which are lame on the same level as hardcore carebears complaining they want to grind big ISK in peace in highsec without being bothered ever. In any case though, it's important that in a pvp-focused corp the leaders can accurately track performance, just like an industrial corp it's important that that the leaders be able to track ISK moving around.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.05.28 17:01:00 -
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Thanks to those who answered my question. :)
The automatic participation seems to be the killer consideration for me. Although personally that is offset by the decreasing accuracy that must come with increasing numbers of kill boards. While the private API linked board my get all of the kills of the pilots in the org. that owns the board, it will only get the losses of folk not in the board. And only those losses caused by characters who's API is linked to the board in question. Furthermore it will only collect those kills generated while the character in question is a part of the org who runs the kill board. All this means that while it will do a great job of looking at only that org that runs it, it will do a poor job of providing the comparative tools needed to give that org's numbers meaning.
Ideally, one kill board that automatically collected all kills and posted them in a friendly and useful way would seem to be the way to go. Setting aside issues of secrecy, but I suppose the loss of that comes with the loss of a ship.
In any case, thanks again to those of you who approached the question with positive intent and answered it. I got an answer that made sense to me. :)
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.29 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kessiaan
Originally by: Anubis Xian
Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Anubis Xian
I don't see the appeal in killboards in general. Seem to cause more problems than anything.
Only if you're bad at PvP.
Being good or not at PvP has nothing to do with the perception that killboards prove something.
This perception is the very foundation of all the lamest tactics ever invented.
Nobody cares about the fight anymore, they care about the killmail.
tbh, for the most part I would rather fly with someone who defines success in EvE as a function of their killboard stats than someone who defines success in EvE as a function of their wallet balance.
Expanding on my above post, the public killboards are good for building up a record so if you apply to new corp you can point at it and say "Here are all my kills." You'll get lots of bonus points for posting your losses to these boards to since it's voluntary for the most part.
Private killboards are good for tracking your own corp or alliance's performance, since if you link them to API keys people can't fudge them by not posting loses or by posting fake KMs, both of which are lame on the same level as hardcore carebears complaining they want to grind big ISK in peace in highsec without being bothered ever. In any case though, it's important that in a pvp-focused corp the leaders can accurately track performance, just like an industrial corp it's important that that the leaders be able to track ISK moving around.
You raise a fair point, but even in light of that particular use, I still think EvE would be a better game without any tracking system for kills. Perhaps keep deathmails, but killmails have too many cons.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.29 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian
You raise a fair point, but even in light of that particular use, I still think EvE would be a better game without any tracking system for kills. Perhaps keep deathmails, but killmails have too many cons.
If they just divided the kills awarded by the number of participants in a kill, their use to track performance would be hugely improved.
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Plexxy
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Posted - 2009.05.29 21:51:00 -
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To laugh at people who fit civilian shield boosters on battelships
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Johnny Gurkha
Thieving Gypsy Bastards
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Posted - 2009.05.29 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Greg6
The subject says it all. It seems to me that the more kill boards in existence, the less accurate any one of them will be. Yet it also seems some folk look at having a private kill board as a perk. So what am I missing?
If you have a private kill board, what's the advantage? If you want one, why? Thanks all.
It's good for us intolerant grumpy bastards who jump corp alot... it's also 50m isk a year which is peanuts, so why not
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Essence Praetor
Retribution. Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Plexxy
To laugh at people who fit civilian shield boosters on battelships
This one time.
Harbinger . . . all shield boosters in the mid slots.
.... and nothing else.
Seriously 
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Admiral Madbull
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Posted - 2009.05.30 16:57:00 -
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Simple, most likely you wont be on same corp/alliance your entire evetime. So having personal killboard with API that imports mails from alliance/corp is a good way to keep your kills even after you leave corp.
With no personal killboard all the old kills might disapear if corp/alliance disolves.
thats why i have personal kb even if im very pleased with current corp and alliance
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Admiral Madbull
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Posted - 2009.05.30 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Plexxy
To laugh at people who fit civilian shield boosters on battelships
I actually have one of them on my kb, civilian shieldtanked dominix, nothing in lows ratting in lowsec.
My fondest kill, some just shouldnt be allowd to buy BS
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Mmm Insane
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Posted - 2009.05.31 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri
All killboards are kinda silly.
For you perhaps.
http://www.eve-kb.com/view.php?type=player&name=Santiago+Fahahrri
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:29:00 -
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Killboards are a nice way to jog memories of past events in the game.
Me and a mate had a good laugh at work going through our old battles. (wins and spectacular losses)
Also handy reminding yourself of the time you killed someone in the days before they bacame a Dev :)
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