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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.05.13 01:58:00 -
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Miilla wrote:I thought W-space was suppost to be the MOST DANGERIOUS place, i am finding it the safest place in Eve. I am often AFK in W-space and surin tthese forums without fear of being in danger lol. This W-system is my personal region taxi :)
I can see why you left high sec. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
701
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Posted - 2012.05.13 03:22:00 -
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Wormholes have two sides: an outgoing side (never K162) and an incoming side (always K162).
Random outgoing wormholes can be found anywhere. Static outgoing wormholes are only found in w-space.
K162 don't appear until somebody initiates warp to the outgoing side. |
Juan Sezole
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
9
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Posted - 2012.05.13 03:41:00 -
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Wormholes are the hardest part of eve, for a few reasons, if your scanner is out, and all of you are out - your **** is lost. Logistics isnt as easy as empire or k-space, and other reasons, and there is no local, too easy - i think not. But if you arent a total fool, you can manage :) |
Isha Tamron
The Environmental Management Team
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Posted - 2012.05.13 05:58:00 -
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Obviously someone who didn't even know someone lived there because Miilla didn't even dscan any planets out of range of the entrance(for 2 days?)......has very valuable opinions. |
Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
277
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Posted - 2012.05.13 05:59:00 -
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Tell you what, if you think you're safe, find me an entrance and I'll check your system for you free of charge. Just to make sure the defenses are up to par. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
354
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Posted - 2012.05.13 07:21:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Miilla wrote:I thought W-space was suppost to be the MOST DANGERIOUS place, i am finding it the safest place in Eve. I am often AFK in W-space and surin tthese forums without fear of being in danger lol. This W-system is my personal region taxi :) I can see why you left high sec.
Lol, I dont maintain a kb, that is just partial information from what other people upload, I have lost far more cheetah's than that probably 10x more which isn't shown on BC because all KB's are inaccurate by their inherant design being dependant on everybody publishing but not everybody does - i dont :) :) |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
354
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Posted - 2012.05.13 07:24:00 -
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Isha Tamron wrote:Obviously someone who didn't even know someone lived there because Miilla didn't even dscan any planets out of range of the entrance(for 2 days?)......has very valuable opinions.
Actually I scanned all planets, there is a POS here but they only pop on once every 2 days or so lol That is why I am using this one as my personal regional taxi :) I have been in far more populated ones, again, no real danger, was even around their POS out of range of the guns, uncloaked, again no danger :) |
Gorenaire
Theosophical Society
12
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Posted - 2012.05.13 07:49:00 -
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Miilla wrote:is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?
can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming.
Why do you say that WH are too easy/safe when you obviously dont know that much about them ? |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
354
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Posted - 2012.05.13 07:50:00 -
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Gorenaire wrote:Miilla wrote:is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?
can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming. Why do you say that WH are too easy/safe when you obviously dont know that much about them ?
All the one's I have ever been in are nearly dead and empty lol, The only time I have been at danger is entering a camp at the wormhole itself but once inside, it is like nullsec.
I am in a C2 right now with a C4 joined on and a high and sometimes a low. I just happen to like this one and stay in to roam eve and pop out to connected regions now and then to see where it goes and to maybe get some stuff but then im back in it again.
And yes I don't know everything about them that is why I was wondering what all this huff puff was about with regard to "keeping a spawned wormhole closed", made no sense to me especially when they stated it made them safer, i was thinking WTF? Thats not what w-space should be like. |
Phrank Phish
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2012.05.13 08:46:00 -
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Just because you didnt open your static doesnt mean someone else hasnt. If your a target worth hitting then people will log a cov ops alt in your system and log it on when you get active, provided your system isnt microscopic in size then they can probe the static without letting you see and bring in a fleet through empire. Trust me, its been done.
Besides that, keeping your static closed means nothing, you have a c4 and an empire hole, you wont be attacked through those, people coming down from c5 162's are your biggest concern and you wont spot them until they decloak next to you. Even with a probe up watching for the incoming wh's to open, it takes 5 seconds to find you in an anomaly and maybe a minute if your at a signature. |
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
388
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Posted - 2012.05.13 09:02:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Lol, I dont maintain a kb, that is just partial information from what other people upload, I have lost far more cheetah's than that probably 10x more which isn't shown on BC because all KB's are inaccurate by their inherant design being dependant on everybody publishing but not everybody does - i dont :) :)
So...you're even worse than that? |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
354
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Posted - 2012.05.13 09:07:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Miilla wrote:Lol, I dont maintain a kb, that is just partial information from what other people upload, I have lost far more cheetah's than that probably 10x more which isn't shown on BC because all KB's are inaccurate by their inherant design being dependant on everybody publishing but not everybody does - i dont :) :) So...you're even worse than that?
I'm worse than worse, I'm terrible but its all fun :)
KB's are stupid anyway and a waste of my time. |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
388
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:11:00 -
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Miilla wrote:KB's are stupid anyway and a waste of my time.
So, apparently, is proper scouting. |
Slade Fox
The Environmental Management Team
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Posted - 2012.05.13 13:13:00 -
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Hi again Miilla,
I guess when I explained this in local yesterday I wasn't very clear. And I never said we were safe. I merely mentioned that we don't open them. (unless we need something from it). We have holes from random places all the time and often take the opportunity to visit our neighbors and vice-versa. There is no local and CCP removed the jump counter so any mechanic still in place to allow us to run sleeper sites without getting our sh-t shoved in from out of nowhere we take advantage of. We may not run anomalies for days with 4-5 random holes opening up but on the other hand that does create opportunities for potential targets. Every wormhole resident employs this technique and no one is naive enough to think they're safe by keeping it closed.
We hope you are enjoying your taxi ride with us. Please stop by the POS for cake and ice cream.
Love, Slade |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.13 13:53:00 -
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the spawn on both sides when you initiate warp to the wormhole for the first time.
you can use this to your advantage.
eg you get a k162 from lowsec and since its a k162 it means somewon in lowsec warped to it and so you know their probably in your system. if tis just a c140 or whatever the static low is you know nobody has come through it from ls if you were the first person to warp to it in a wormhole. |
Soraya Jita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:15:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Miilla wrote:KB's are stupid anyway and a waste of my time. So, apparently, is proper scouting.
LULZ
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
354
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Posted - 2012.05.13 15:08:00 -
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Soraya Jita wrote:Nathan Jameson wrote:Miilla wrote:KB's are stupid anyway and a waste of my time. So, apparently, is proper scouting. LULZ
Scouting is for boy scouts :P dib dib dib
Oh I am always aware of what is not cloaked around me and I never sit in the same spot for long and am always moving :) - and when I light the MWD; I make sure I am not in that close proximity after and always change direction once I unlight it and recloak :)
The really only time to be paranoid of the scanner is when your uncloaked running some site or entering / exiting a potential camp. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
354
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Posted - 2012.05.13 15:09:00 -
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Slade Fox wrote:Hi again Miilla,
I guess when I explained this in local yesterday I wasn't very clear. And I never said we were safe. I merely mentioned that we don't open them. (unless we need something from it). We have holes from random places all the time and often take the opportunity to visit our neighbors and vice-versa. There is no local and CCP removed the jump counter so any mechanic still in place to allow us to run sleeper sites without getting our sh-t shoved in from out of nowhere we take advantage of. We may not run anomalies for days with 4-5 random holes opening up but on the other hand that does create opportunities for potential targets. Every wormhole resident employs this technique and no one is naive enough to think they're safe by keeping it closed.
We hope you are enjoying your taxi ride with us. Please stop by the POS for cake and ice cream.
Love, Slade
You mean cake with a POS Tower candle on top :) |
Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
277
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Posted - 2012.05.13 16:13:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Soraya Jita wrote:Nathan Jameson wrote:Miilla wrote:KB's are stupid anyway and a waste of my time. So, apparently, is proper scouting. LULZ Scouting is for boy scouts :P dib dib dib Oh I am always aware of what is not cloaked around me and I never sit in the same spot for long and am always moving :) - and when I light the MWD; I make sure I am not in that close proximity after and always change direction once I unlight it and recloak :) The really only time to be paranoid of the scanner is when your uncloaked running some site or entering / exiting a potential camp. Ive always wondered what it would be like to be that naive. |
Marsan
Production N Destruction INC.
29
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Posted - 2012.05.13 16:41:00 -
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Wormmhole system can be pretty safe. If you put scouts on all the entrances, keep scanning for incoming holes you can run sites as nearly as safely as a well protected NS system. That said unless you have people on high alert 23/7 it's easy for a cloaky ship to sneak in. Generally this just means a lost miner or hauler or 2, but they can always scan a way in for friends. It's not uncommon for the more aggressive alliances to put a sleeper in your system to watch you for weeks prior to an assault.
PS- C2 are hard to keep secure as they are the crossroads of w-space. A lot of c4-6 systems which are held by active groups have a static C2 connection which they use for logistics. But don't think if they spot an active fleet they won't take advantage of the situation. |
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
354
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Posted - 2012.05.13 16:48:00 -
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Marsan wrote:Wormmhole system can be pretty safe. If you put scouts on all the entrances, keep scanning for incoming holes you can run sites as nearly as safely as a well protected NS system. That said unless you have people on high alert 23/7 it's easy for a cloaky ship to sneak in. Generally this just means a lost miner or hauler or 2, but they can always scan a way in for friends. It's not uncommon for the more aggressive alliances to put a sleeper in your system to watch you for weeks prior to an assault.
PS- C2 are hard to keep secure as they are the crossroads of w-space. A lot of c4-6 systems which are held by active groups have a static C2 connection which they use for logistics. But don't think if they spot an active fleet they won't take advantage of the situation.
I am always cloaked and moving anyway, and yes we have a static C4 connected, but for some reason according to all published stats, this w-system is pretty much dead and empty which is good because its a nice quiet exploration taxi around the eve universe :D
I usually don't bother anybody unless they bother me, then I go medieval on them :) |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
219
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Posted - 2012.05.13 17:01:00 -
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Why is the worst C&P troll in the wormhole forum? |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
354
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Posted - 2012.05.13 17:10:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:Why is the worst C&P troll in the wormhole forum?
Blame ISD's :) |
Tierius Fro
Coronado's Cross
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Posted - 2012.05.13 17:16:00 -
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Back to topic ... let me get this straight. You are saying if a w-system has exits that can only be opened from the w-system side then if you never open them you are safe? This logic is flawed, because that means there are wormholes into your w-system that only open from the other side, beyond your control, and that makes it less safe.
I routinely scan for wormholes because I want to where they are and where they lead, so I better understand the risks.
Fro http://ridingevewormhole.blogspot.com/
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Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
277
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Posted - 2012.05.13 19:22:00 -
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Tierius Fro wrote:Back to topic ... let me get this straight. You are saying if a w-system has exits that can only be opened from the w-system side then if you never open them you are safe? This logic is flawed, because that means there are wormholes into your w-system that only open from the other side, beyond your control, and that makes it less safe.
I routinely scan for wormholes because I want to where they are and where they lead, so I better understand the risks.
Fro Oh yay, someone gets it! Awesome! |
Keilateau Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
7
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Posted - 2012.05.13 20:19:00 -
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Miilla wrote:all the stuff this person says proper response
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illy velo
Production N Destruction INC. The Last Chancers.
24
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Posted - 2012.05.13 20:25:00 -
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Hey gais! I was just wondering if we could cover this stuff again in another thread? We don't have nearly enough threads covering this topic yet. |
Coolsmoke
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.05.14 00:02:00 -
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illy velo wrote:Hey gais! I was just wondering if we could cover this stuff again in another thread? We don't have nearly enough threads covering this topic yet.
+1 |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
65
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Posted - 2012.05.14 09:01:00 -
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Confirming that sitting cloaked in a wormhole all the time is pretty safe. Actually *doing* something productive in a wormhole, like running sites or engaging in pvp, not so safe.
It's like saying I can't die in Nullsec so it's easy mode because I only log on in space in my cov ops then afk-cloak for 10 hours then log off again
We can *make* our wormhole relatively safe by using our skills and knowledge and investing effort, which is exactly how it should be. If we always know all the signatures in our system, guard open holes, leave others closed GÇô and make sure they are not opened by someone else without us noticing GÇô, always look for new signatures and immediately scan down and guard newly opened incoming holes... yes then it's rather safe. But that isn't something we get for free, we work for it. And since everyone get's lazy once in a while and no corp can monitor their system 24/7, there could still be someone already in there waiting for us when we log on. Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers. CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |
Eso Es
Li3's Electric Cucumber SpaceMonkey's Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.05.14 13:30:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Pohbis wrote:Miilla wrote:I am living in one right now but was supprised to hear that a corp inside it can CONTROL their safety by keeping a newly spawned wormhole CLOSED. To me that is EASY mode by ensuring they are safe.
Why would they need the ability to keep a wormhole closed? Surely the wormhole mechanics should be out of player CONTROL, but apparently it is not. Please continue thinking you are safe 'cause you keep your static from spawning Funny, I don't have to think i'm safe, I've been in W for weeks now and am now, It isnt me who said I feel safe, it is the corps inside saying theyre safer because they keep the spawned WH closed. Just asking why this is the case and why it is needed in the game. To me it goes against what W-space was sold as. DANGERIOUS! Just wondering what this "keeping the Wormhole closed" idiocy is about.
Ok first of all, you can NEVER be 100% safe by keeping your statics close as there is always the possiblity of a K162 opening from somewhere else. Second of all, your corp is going to quickly run out of things to do not opening your statics, WH anoms/sites take quite a while to regenerate. I imagine they just recently moved into their WH, theyre keeping the statics closed while farming all the anoms/sigs, but once theyre gone I guarentee those statics get opened in search of more lootz.
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