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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2012.05.12 17:57:00 -
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is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?
can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming. |
Hayaishi
Aperture Harmonics K162
113
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:22:00 -
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Miilla wrote:is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?
can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming.
I'm sure it's documented somewhere. I know it, but wont tell you. |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
53
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:30:00 -
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They open when warped to.
Think both sides open, I've had people come through wormholes I only spawned but never jumped through.
If they didn't, that would seem a bit weird. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
314
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:31:00 -
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Hayaishi wrote:Miilla wrote:is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?
can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming. I'm sure it's documented somewhere. I know it, but wont tell you.
Fine, then if its true, why wouldn't both ends open on forming? Won't that make W-space too safe for those inhabiting it? ( I am currently habiting W-space :) )
I feel both ends should be opened (connected) once formed and thus the people inside the W-space cannot control their safety by "not opening" the newly formed Wormhole.
It sounds like Easy mode to me in W-space. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
314
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:33:00 -
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Pohbis wrote:They open when warped to.
Think both sides open, I've had people come through wormholes I only spawned but never jumped through.
If they didn't, that would seem a bit weird.
But both sides are findable (scanable)? Why wouldn't they open regardless if whether we warped to them or not? I say just open both sides on forming and have it done with. I was told today that they ensure their safety in W-space by "keeping the wormhole closed" - ie., not warping to it. So it is too easy to manipulate Wspace for ones own safety. |
NickyYo
StarHug
73
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:35:00 -
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Miilla wrote:is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?
can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming.
hmm how can you say wormhole are too easy/safe when you don't even know how they work? Wormholes can open anywhere and do NOT need to be jumped through to be activated.. |
TriadSte
3rd Division
82
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:36:00 -
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W-Space is not easy mode. Far from it.....W-Space is Eve hard mode.
Indeed when your new exit spawns it only opens when you initiate warp to it so in that respect yes your safe from intruders incoming from that hole.
However there are always incoming wormholes spawning into your system, with no local you have no idea if anyone is there....cloaked....waiting.
The only way to make sure you are safe is to have scouts on all wormholes in system. If anyone comes in you'll know about it.
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Lady Starfire
State War Academy Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:36:00 -
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Wormholes are systems that stay their they do not go in and out of existence. The holes to them exist on both sides. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
314
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:38:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Miilla wrote:is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?
can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming. hmm how can you say wormhole are too easy/safe when you don't even know how they work? Wormholes can open anywhere and do NOT need to be jumped through to be activated..
I am living in one right now but was supprised to hear that a corp inside it can CONTROL their safety by keeping a newly spawned wormhole CLOSED. To me that is EASY mode by ensuring they are safe.
Why would they need the ability to keep a wormhole closed? Surely the wormhole mechanics should be out of player CONTROL, but apparently it is not. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
314
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:38:00 -
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Lady Starfire wrote:Wormholes are systems that stay there they do not go in and out of existence. The holes to them exist on both sides.
Duh. |
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
107
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:39:00 -
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does anyone understand what the gripe is here? doesn't seem that important of an issue for to me. as far as safety goes there are far greater things to worry about in WH space than whether the hole opened on both sides or not. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
314
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:43:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:does anyone understand what the gripe is here? doesn't seem that important of an issue for to me. as far as safety goes there are far greater things to worry about in WH space than whether the hole opened on both sides or not.
Just wondering because it sounded like the inhabitant of a WH has the ABILITY to control the wormhole by "not warping to it" , ie., keeping it closed. They said to me that makes them safe. Wormholes shouldn't be safe.
I am in a C2 right now and have been for a while, and it is next to EMPTY , nobody comes in nor out, they said they controlled the newly spawned W-space C4 connection wormhole by "keeping it closed"..
Well, that seems to make them feel safer... I am just asking why occupiers in W-space would need the game mechanic to have the ability to control their safety by "not warping to" a newly formed w-hole.
I thought W-space was suppost to be the MOST DANGERIOUS place, i am finding it the safest place in Eve. I am often AFK in W-space and surin tthese forums without fear of being in danger lol. This W-system is my personal region taxi :) |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
53
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:43:00 -
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Miilla wrote:I am living in one right now but was supprised to hear that a corp inside it can CONTROL their safety by keeping a newly spawned wormhole CLOSED. To me that is EASY mode by ensuring they are safe.
Why would they need the ability to keep a wormhole closed? Surely the wormhole mechanics should be out of player CONTROL, but apparently it is not. Please continue thinking you are safe 'cause you keep your static from spawning |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
314
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:45:00 -
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Pohbis wrote:Miilla wrote:I am living in one right now but was supprised to hear that a corp inside it can CONTROL their safety by keeping a newly spawned wormhole CLOSED. To me that is EASY mode by ensuring they are safe.
Why would they need the ability to keep a wormhole closed? Surely the wormhole mechanics should be out of player CONTROL, but apparently it is not. Please continue thinking you are safe 'cause you keep your static from spawning
Funny, I don't have to think i'm safe, I've been in W for weeks now and am now, It isnt me who said I feel safe, it is the corps inside saying theyre safer because they keep the spawned WH closed. Just asking why this is the case and why it is needed in the game. To me it goes against what W-space was sold as. DANGERIOUS!
Just wondering what this "keeping the Wormhole closed" idiocy is about. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
314
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:52:00 -
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So, on a newly formed Wormhole, what does Warping to a newly formed WH actually do, mechanics wise to it and what happens when a newly formed WH is not warped to? can sombody explain the difference in WH game effect? |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
402
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:03:00 -
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New wormhole is formed is a system, but the exit in some other system is only visible when someone actually warps to the entrance first.
And I haven't tried out this part myself, but supposedly just activating warp to the entrance and cancelling it already makes the exit appear. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
314
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:07:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:New wormhole is formed is a system, but the exit in some other system is only visible when someone actually warps to the entrance first.
And I haven't tried out this part myself, but supposedly just activating warp to the entrance and cancelling it already makes the exit appear.
Yeah i just read the evlopedia entry, its called "pushing". Im off to "push" this C4 into existance that this corp doesn't want "opened" :)
From what I read, so basically it is stable probably indefinitely until its "pushed". I still don't like this concept and it makes W-space maybe too controllable by the inhabitant. |
Selinate
860
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:11:00 -
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any random amount of wormholes can spawn in a wh system at any given time to anywhere in the universe. The static is not typically the only wh that opens.
Nice try at trolling. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
314
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:15:00 -
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Selinate wrote:any random amount of wormholes can spawn in a wh system at any given time to anywhere in the universe. The static is not typically the only wh that opens.
Yes I know this, and always at least one per W-space system, I was just supprised that a corp inside it felt they could "control" the newly formed wormholes and thus, by effect, raise their level of safety a tad.
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ISD Grossvogel
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:26:00 -
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
773
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:27:00 -
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I got around 3 bil from camping a WH 1 jump to highsec from a single player with a few alts. I think he would take issue with the whole WH are safe thing...
For myself, there have been several instances when I jumped from low sec into a WH and there were a few friendly guys waiting for me who podded me back to where I came from. I don't feel very safe in a WH either.
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Frau Leinsmarch
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
29
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:53:00 -
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If you think your hole is safe then I have this to say:
LOLOLOLOLOLLLOLLOLLLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLOLOLOL
Also..
Thanks for the KMs xD |
Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
277
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:53:00 -
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Just because your static is controlled and shut doesn't mean you are safe. If someone wants into your wormhole, they will find a way, either via a logged off scanner alt or just cycling their hole until they reach yours. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
354
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:56:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:Just because your static is controlled and shut doesn't mean you are safe. If someone wants into your wormhole, they will find a way, either via a logged off scanner alt or just cycling their hole until they reach yours.
Uhh its not MY wh, I was just saying that a corp said they controlled the WH spawn and was safer and wondered what all the fuss was about this lol
I just reside in this WH for convience for taxing around Eve. It is empty 99% of the time. Of course there is more dangerious ones, they are only dangerious because of popularity of them, just like certain lowsec systems are dangerious, again because of popularity and density of inhabitants. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
40
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:56:00 -
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it's pretty safe if you pos spinning all day |
Taz Edenrunner
The Dark Space Initiative
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Posted - 2012.05.12 20:40:00 -
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Noone can stop a WH from opening by not warping to it from their direction, someone can open the WH from the other side of the connection.
If you close a WH to force another to respwan and do not warp to it, there is nothing stopping someone on the other side from scanning it down and warping to it causing the WH to open |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2012.05.12 20:44:00 -
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You can only control static wormhole from spawning. It actually spawns when you initiate warp to it
On the other hand Incoming wormholes can take you by surprise because you cant find then until someone opens it from the other site.
So it balance things out, in fact it makes wormholes more dangerous because if you know they connect to you it would be more difficult to gank you in extreme cases impossible.
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2012.05.12 20:44:00 -
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Taz Edenrunner wrote:someone can open the WH from the other side of the connection.
No
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Hatt0ri Hanz0
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
26
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Posted - 2012.05.13 00:10:00 -
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Ive had people come into my system through a k162, and open up all my statics, thereby enabling their other side. This was all done, after I had probed out, but not initiated warp to them, thinking that I was fairly safe. So, believe me, this mechanic aside, there is nothing safe about w-space. OP, needs to find something else to complain about. |
Celery Man
Talocan Mining And Industrial Talocan United
43
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Posted - 2012.05.13 00:28:00 -
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Miilla wrote:[quote=Barbara Nichole] I am in a C2 right now
You live in the quietest safest section of wormhole space. You do not know what danger is, and I should know, I too am a slacker carebear living in a C2. Any second of any day a wormhole can open into you with a fleet behind it.
Or they already came in when you were offline and are waiting for you to do something stupid.
Explain to me how this situation is safe.
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