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Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.27 20:27:00 - [31] What would be the purpose of continuing the scam so long? Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Daminma2 Perkone	Posted - 2009.05.27 20:39:00 - [32] Originally by: Anubis Xian What would be the purpose of continuing the scam so long? Linkage To make it grow very very big. To beat the schemes that were done already to end up an eve legend? Linkage Quote: But that doesn't explain the structural "success" that Madoff enjoyed for so long. One possible answer is that years ago Madoff solved the two interlocking puzzles that usually prevent Ponzi schemes from becoming perpetual money machines: sustaining growth while maintaining stability. The growth half of the equation is the easier part, and plenty has been written about how Madoff continually enticed new investors through a veneer of exclusivity and respectability, and the absence of volatility. The second half is trickier. When running a Ponzi scheme, how does one avoid enormous, unexpected withdrawals - runs on the bank, so to speak - that would pull back the curtain and reveal a little man blowing smoke? One way would be to attract a core of investors who could be counted on to never withdraw more than a small percentage of principal each year. In Madoff's case, he may have accomplished that feat by offering his prized services to charitable foundations.
Tatianna	Posted - 2009.05.27 21:16:00 - [33] Exactly true! It is still hard to believe that people actually think that EVEBANK will not end up as one of the biggest scams probably even bigger than the BoB incident.
Killer Gandry Caldari Red Horizon Inc	Posted - 2009.05.27 21:38:00 - [34] Let's see. This is an Icelandic / United States mainly based game. Now look at icelandic and US banks. Now tell me again why I should trust any bank.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.27 21:52:00 - [35] Well, if EBank is short on tellers, I'm willing to help out. Seriously. Eve-mail me. _________________________ NERF CLONES!!!
SentryRaven KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.27 21:58:00 - [36] Thanks for your interest in EBANK. :D We are glad to answer your questions, as far as we can. If you have any specific question you may not want discussed in public, please leave a ticket with our HelpDesk. -------- EBANK Forum Manager \| KIA Recruiting Director
Brigitte Helm Minmatar Flying Fox Industries Motivated and Determined	Posted - 2009.05.27 21:59:00 - [37] ok I have one thing to add to this discussion. If you don't trust the bank don't use it. This is a really shocking thing to say but.... deep breath.... There are honest people in Eve. I trust some ppl involved in the bank, and trust is earned. But to repeat myself I close with the following If you don't trust the bank don't use it. Hug a Carebear, Kill a pirate, squish a Rat, and tickle a dev. Make Eve fun....
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.27 22:05:00 - [38] Originally by: Brigitte Helm ok I have one thing to add to this discussion. If you don't trust the bank don't use it. This is a really shocking thing to say but.... deep breath.... There are honest people in Eve. I trust some ppl involved in the bank, and trust is earned. But to repeat myself I close with the following If you don't trust the bank don't use it. Yes, there are some honest people in EVE. That's why I'm a carebear...I just cant get into pirating, scamming and all that other lawless stuff. I own a shuttle....I sit in station and do BP research. My alt does some missions and runs errands...but that's about it. My third alt will be for business purposes...but still no PvP. That's how I play the game. _________________________ NERF CLONES!!!
Daminma2 Perkone	Posted - 2009.05.27 22:10:00 - [39] Edited by: Daminma2 on 27/05/2009 22:15:52 Edited by: Daminma2 on 27/05/2009 22:13:34 Originally by: Brigitte Helm ok I have one thing to add to this discussion. If you don't trust the bank don't use it. This is a really shocking thing to say but.... deep breath.... There are honest people in Eve. I trust some ppl involved in the bank, and trust is earned. But to repeat myself I close with the following If you don't trust the bank don't use it. And those people can't be duped? Lot's of people trusted the people that were screaming support for the last ponzi (Dark Shikari and Omber Zombie I think) but it was still a scam. Also I read their year end report for 2008. Why don't they completely divulge where their money is spent? Why is this a secret? I would want to know the source of the magical money making they do. All I saw was hand waving. Anyway, good luck the people running this scheme. Complete proof that people just simply don't ever learn. P.S. If you haven't read this read it. It talks about the 2 ponzi schemes that happened in eve. (starts at the third post) Linkage
Alex Raptos Caldari Phoenix Rising.	Posted - 2009.05.27 22:21:00 - [40] Originally by: Daminma2 Also I read their year end report for 2008. Why don't they completely divulge where their money is spent? Why is this a secret? I would want to know the source of the magical money making they do. All I saw was hand waving. If everyone knew, hundreds of people would jump on it and suddenly it would be 100x less profitable I guess. Originally by: Dirk Magnum I've become gay for Mark Harmon despite my initial reservations about the show NCIS but nobody will ever know
Daminma2 Perkone	Posted - 2009.05.27 22:22:00 - [41] Originally by: Alex Raptos Originally by: Daminma2 Also I read their year end report for 2008. Why don't they completely divulge where their money is spent? Why is this a secret? I would want to know the source of the magical money making they do. All I saw was hand waving. If everyone knew, hundreds of people would jump on it and suddenly it would be 100x less profitable I guess. Or it's a ponzi and they can't show you because there is nothing to show.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.05.27 22:26:00 - [42] Originally by: Daminma2 Originally by: Alex Raptos If everyone knew, hundreds of people would jump on it and suddenly it would be 100x less profitable I guess. Or it's a ponzi and they can't show you because there is nothing to show. Or maybe he is ACTUALLY right? I see that you are putting your argumentation skills to great use. Ignoring the obvious answer and then trying to ignore it, when somebody answers your question. Nice one, mr. nobody-alt. Can't argue with trolls, I guess. Not in this case either.
Interval Priori Inc	Posted - 2009.05.27 22:31:00 - [43] Edited by: Interval on 27/05/2009 22:32:04 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Daminma2 Originally by: Alex Raptos If everyone knew, hundreds of people would jump on it and suddenly it would be 100x less profitable I guess. Or it's a ponzi and they can't show you because there is nothing to show. Or maybe he is ACTUALLY right? I see that you are putting your argumentation skills to great use. Ignoring the obvious answer and then trying to ignore it, when somebody answers your question. Nice one, mr. nobody-alt. Can't argue with trolls, I guess. Not in this case either. My main is Daald. I don't use it because I don't want to log in with it from work. Still a nobody in a game world though. Still smells like a ponzi to me. P.S. This is another alt.
Lord Windu Amarr	Posted - 2009.05.27 22:32:00 - [44] My alt uses EBANK and I withdrew a large amount earlier today and within 5 minutes of me going to their site to request the withdrawal it was in my wallet, I was expecting it to take a lot longer and the fact the site asks you to wait up to 48 hours I was a very happy customer. As for the comments from people saying it is a scam or whatever, yeah it could be and it could be the biggest most epic scam in the history of Eve, but anything player run in eve could be. I have always seen my savings in EBANK to have a level of risk, but it's just like everything in this game there is always a level of risk no matter what, I personally have enjoyed the profits gained from my savings so far. ~ ☺ A Kirra Liu Presentation. Will give cyber for GTC ☺
Sophia Truthspeaker Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.05.27 22:38:00 - [45] Basicly anything you do is risky in Eve. That being said, my personal risk assessment for my ebank account is somewhere between my own personal wallet and a pledge by seven archangels decending from heaven. Not that my personal wallet is exceptionally saf... oh shiney! _________ The truth is out there
Interval Priori Inc	Posted - 2009.05.27 22:40:00 - [46] More satisfied customers please :) This thread is getting too much negative attention.
Popovo	Posted - 2009.05.27 23:18:00 - [47] Originally by: Lord Windu My alt uses EBANK and I withdrew a large amount earlier today and within 5 minutes That's the thing with it - they will pay out. From the outside a legit bank and out right fraud will look exactly alike until they potter off into the sunset with the cash. No way of telling either way. However is anyone seriously playing eve to get a second banking job at 1.5%. So either they are boring as you like or on the make. I am rooting for scam, far more fun.
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.05.27 23:22:00 - [48] Originally by: Daminma2 Edited by: Daminma2 on 27/05/2009 22:21:15 Originally by: Brigitte Helm ok I have one thing to add to this discussion. If you don't trust the bank don't use it. This is a really shocking thing to say but.... deep breath.... There are honest people in Eve. I trust some ppl involved in the bank, and trust is earned. But to repeat myself I close with the following If you don't trust the bank don't use it. And those people can't be duped? Lot's of people trusted the people that were screaming support for the last ponzi (Dark Shikari I think) but it was still a scam. Also I read their year end report for 2008. Why don't they completely divulge where their money is spent? Why is this a secret? I would want to know the source of the magical money making they do. All I saw was hand waving. Anyway, good luck the people running this scheme. Complete proof that people just simply don't ever learn. P.S. If you haven't read this read it. It talks about the 2 ponzi schemes that happened in eve. (starts at the third post) Linkage Dark Shikari ran a Ponzi? linkage? I was inactive for almost 10 months, so much I missed.
Killer Gandry Caldari Red Horizon Inc	Posted - 2009.05.27 23:28:00 - [49] Wasn't the Director from BoB who then ran off to Goons after disbanding the Alliance also trusted?
Interval Priori Inc	Posted - 2009.05.27 23:50:00 - [50] Quote: Quote: P.S. If you haven't read this read it. It talks about the 2 ponzi schemes that happened in eve. (starts at the third post) Linkage Dark Shikari ran a Ponzi? linkage? I was inactive for almost 10 months, so much I missed. No he did not. Read the link. He fervently supported it. I dunno if he was in it.
Lothros Andastar Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.28 00:07:00 - [51] Until evebank ha Chirbba running it i wont trust it
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.05.28 00:15:00 - [52] The same logic that is used in the expression: Dont fly what you cant afford to lose, workes here to: Dont invest what you cant afford to lose. Considering EBANK has given me quite a nice amount on ISK that would otherwise just sit in my wallet and never be used for nearly two years now I think I will trust them with my surplus. In any case its not wealth that matters but the means you aquire it that does. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Interval Priori Inc	Posted - 2009.05.28 01:00:00 - [53] Originally by: Jacob Mei The same logic that is used in the expression: Dont fly what you cant afford to lose, workes here to: Dont invest what you cant afford to lose. Considering EBANK has given me quite a nice amount on ISK that would otherwise just sit in my wallet and never be used for nearly two years now I think I will trust them with my surplus. In any case its not wealth that matters but the means you aquire it that does. You can send me that wad of cash and I'll pay you back 2% a month on it. I will show you some numbers that I will call your account and raise the number on it by 2% every month and you will really feel like your money is working for you. So come on take a chance on me. It's throw away money anyway right? Thing is that for a bank to be legitimate it has to have an authority that everyone trusts to back it up. This little venture does not and nothing stops the people running it from picking up and taking your cash which sits in their wallets and laugh at you. That's what happened every time before. Why is this different? So we can throw logic such as: fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. This is the third time at least.
Iskyu Geiveme	Posted - 2009.05.28 01:11:00 - [54] Originally by: Interval Quote: Quote: P.S. If you haven't read this read it. It talks about the 2 ponzi schemes that happened in eve. (starts at the third post) Linkage Dark Shikari ran a Ponzi? linkage? I was inactive for almost 10 months, so much I missed. No he did not. Read the link. He fervently supported it. I dunno if he was in it. Only Ricdic the head of EVE Bank was part of the EIB ponzi bank scam. He claims he was only a teller though...
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.05.28 01:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Interval Originally by: Jacob Mei The same logic that is used in the expression: Dont fly what you cant afford to lose, workes here to: Dont invest what you cant afford to lose. Considering EBANK has given me quite a nice amount on ISK that would otherwise just sit in my wallet and never be used for nearly two years now I think I will trust them with my surplus. In any case its not wealth that matters but the means you aquire it that does. You can send me that wad of cash and I'll pay you back 2% a month on it. I will show you some numbers that I will call your account and raise the number on it by 2% every month and you will really feel like your money is working for you. So come on take a chance on me. It's throw away money anyway right? Thing is that for a bank to be legitimate it has to have an authority that everyone trusts to back it up. This little venture does not and nothing stops the people running it from picking up and taking your cash which sits in their wallets and laugh at you. That's what happened every time before. Why is this different? So we can throw logic such as: fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. This is the third time at least. Considering EBANK has several well known players from the marketplace portion of this forum id say the authority issue is pretty much taken care of and id trust them based on their past actions a hell of a lot more then id trust some random player telling me to do otherwise. This is however beside the point, considering they have spent their own actual curreny to maintain the site (in the triple digits if I recall), taken donations and been in service for closing on two years in my opinion the only ones saying EBANK is a scam are the trolls at this point. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Interval Priori Inc	Posted - 2009.05.28 01:48:00 - [56] Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Interval Originally by: Jacob Mei The same logic that is used in the expression: Dont fly what you cant afford to lose, workes here to: Dont invest what you cant afford to lose. Considering EBANK has given me quite a nice amount on ISK that would otherwise just sit in my wallet and never be used for nearly two years now I think I will trust them with my surplus. In any case its not wealth that matters but the means you aquire it that does. You can send me that wad of cash and I'll pay you back 2% a month on it. I will show you some numbers that I will call your account and raise the number on it by 2% every month and you will really feel like your money is working for you. So come on take a chance on me. It's throw away money anyway right? Thing is that for a bank to be legitimate it has to have an authority that everyone trusts to back it up. This little venture does not and nothing stops the people running it from picking up and taking your cash which sits in their wallets and laugh at you. That's what happened every time before. Why is this different? So we can throw logic such as: fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. This is the third time at least. Considering EBANK has several well known players from the marketplace portion of this forum id say the authority issue is pretty much taken care of and id trust them based on their past actions a hell of a lot more then id trust some random player telling me to do otherwise. This is however beside the point, considering they have spent their own actual curreny to maintain the site (in the triple digits if I recall), taken donations and been in service for closing on two years in my opinion the only ones saying EBANK is a scam are the trolls at this point. So did the EIB scam. Very well known marketplace people stood up for it. Go read that link I keep on posting and tell me if you see any similarities. Do with your money as you wish but so far your argument is I believe them and if you don't then you are a troll. Anyway as I have said so far, I wish them well on this scam. Stupid people need to be parted from their money.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.05.28 04:14:00 - [57] A relative outsider's 2 cents: I don't think EBANK is a scam. I still won't use it. I may not think EBANK is a scam or will end up as one, but the risk is still there and my "feelings" on the matter are irrelevant when assessing risk. Since there is a non-zero risk of losing everything I might invest with it, I choose not to do so, because there are more effective ways to make ISK with less or even zero risk. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.05.28 04:59:00 - [58] Wow, so instead of going to bed I just spent the last 3-4 hours reading that link, looking at the vid, reading more threads with relation to that. \o/ Eve Online drama that was. Thanks for posting that link, has provided me with tons of entertainment ps. I still have money in EBANK though. If it's a ponzi, grats for the 2 year+ patience I guess and they deserve every penny they get, while if it's not, I'm not really fussed either way
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.28 06:31:00 - [59] Im still applying for a teller job. _________________________ NERF CLONES!!!
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries	Posted - 2009.05.28 06:37:00 - [60] I WAS IN AN EPIC EBANK THREAD, POSTING BEFORE LEVEL OF EPIC HAD BEEN REACHED.... Quote: "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"

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