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chriscalvert	Posted - 2009.05.28 07:58:00 - [1] Hi guys Im making the big investment and building a system for running eve there's so many possibilitys of what to buy for it, but to be fair i dont really know weather to go for SLI on a mother board or not or wait for the price of the new pentium I7 processors to come down. I want to be able to run 2 screens and play both eve accounts that i have comew on guys i need your help pop your systems in here so i can have a look at what i need to get PLEASE HELP
Dante Algermain Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.05.28 08:04:00 - [2] just do what i did and pay for I7 and SLI it's great
Kaakao Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.28 08:11:00 - [3] Edited by: Kaakao on 28/05/2009 08:12:29 Hi, Intel i7 and one of the higher end graphics cards from either AMD(ATI) or nVidia should be enough. Just remember to get at least 4 GB of ram and a 64bit OS. My current rig with a quad core Q9450 and 8800GTS512 already runs 2 clients fine on my two screens. Edit: EVE doesn't really support SLI properly and you can't get SLI support when playing in windowed mode which you should use when running multiple clients. ----

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Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.05.28 15:40:00 - [5] Originally by: Dante Algermain just do what i did and pay for I7 and SLI it's great Do what this guy said and be a **ing idiot. If somebody here can name one game on the market that uses more than two cores, I will be enormously surprised. That almost rules out quads as being worthless - let alone the i7 processors, which are nearly twice as expensive, and offer nothing near that. There is no future proofing in i7 - if you're not doing video editing, photoshop, etc., you're just throwing your money away. E8400 is still an amazing processor, and even then there's the new line of Phenom II's that have DDR3 controllers. Phenom II X3 720 is what I would personally buy if I were building a new system, or an E8400. DDR3 isn't a necessity, but it will perform better, especially if you go all out and buy the 1600mhz sticks, although they are 3x more expensive than DDR2. SLI is also just throwing away your money. 4870 FTW. Originally by:** Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Doctor Penguin Amarr Heavy Influence Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.28 15:40:00 - [6] Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 28/05/2009 15:42:09 Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 28/05/2009 15:41:29 DEPENDING ON YOUR MONITOR'S RESOLUTION, SLI is inferior to a single card of the same price (IE if I spend ú100 per card, I'll achieve better results with a single ú200 card, and the cost saved in not buying a SLI motherboard can allow for further upgrades). At high resoultions - 1900x1200 or more - you might find that SLI gives more grunt. However, EVE does not offer full functionality with SLI. Honestly, in most situations bar large fleet fights (with that bloody Sensor Booster graphic - an option to switch it off please!) my Pentium D 940 w/ Radeon X1600 works perfectly well. Don't build a computer for EVE, build one for other games that require more grunt. @above poster - Unreal Tournament 3, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead. However, spending more money on a CPU when the GPU is the bit that really gives the performance boost? Pointless. ________________________________________________ http://eve.drome.nl/CaodCleaner/ Help make CAOD readable.
Daelorn	Posted - 2009.05.28 15:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Kaakao Edited by: Kaakao on 28/05/2009 08:12:29 Intel i7 and one of the higher end graphics cards from either AMD(ATI) or nVidia should be enough. More like overkill if just for EVE.
Doctor Penguin Amarr Heavy Influence Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.28 15:44:00 - [8] I'd actually say that there might be a point to having a big, grunty graphics card for EVE, and that's to play it in realllly large fleet fights at really high resolutions so all lag can be down to the server and not your computer. High resolutions are increadibly useful for FCing, as you can have many windows up at once. (Hell, dual screens are another good reason, for playing with more than one client). ________________________________________________ http://eve.drome.nl/CaodCleaner/ Help make CAOD readable.
Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.05.28 15:57:00 - [9] Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 28/05/2009 15:58:06 Originally by: Doctor Penguin @above poster - Unreal Tournament 3, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead. However, spending more money on a CPU when the GPU is the bit that really gives the performance boost? Pointless. For CPU vs GPU performance boost, it varies on a case by case basis. X3, some Source engine games, and SupCom have major CPU bottleneck issues. To say that TF2 uses more than two cores is false - it does not do so natively, and it only uses more than one core for graphics rendering, which also has caused crashes for me. Edit: There is also a console command to use more than one core for all purposes, but for most source games, it'll just crash. But yes, in most cases, GPU matters more than CPU. Which is why I suggested the Phenom II X3 720, which is about $130 instead of one of the bloody Core i7's which is a ridiculous $250+. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Vaneshi SnowCrash	Posted - 2009.05.28 16:02:00 - [10] Don't bother building an uber-rig for EVE. What else will the computer be doing? i7's are very nice but quite expensive, you'll probably find that an original Core 2 Quad will do just as well even if you want to multi-client. SLI, well if you want. Although EVE doesn't make full use of it and I seem to remember threads/mentions at fanfest about it not working when the client is windowed (i.e. multi-client on separate screens). So even with two OMG cards you'll not be using them fully. 64bit OS, maybe. It does remove the memory constraint (which realistically is 2GB for a 32bit... Windows OS, some people get lucky and can do 3.75GB, some can't. Seems very random) which is useful, not needed but useful. Personally I'd grab a Core 2 Quad, a middle of the road modern GeForce card, slap 2GB or 4GB of RAM in it depending on my OS choice and call it pretty much done. As proof EVE doesn't need mega hardware I've been playing it (jerkily) on an Atom based netbook (2Ghz OC, 2GB RAM, i950gfx) running the OS X client :) A little more CPU and GFX grunt and it'd be a-ok in my book for pootling around in space.
Ademaro Imre Caldari Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.28 16:49:00 - [11] Originally by: chriscalvert Hi guys Im making the big investment and building a system for running eve there's so many possibilitys of what to buy for it, but to be fair i dont really know weather to go for SLI on a mother board or not or wait for the price of the new pentium I7 processors to come down. I want to be able to run 2 screens and play both eve accounts that i have comew on guys i need your help pop your systems in here so i can have a look at what i need to get PLEASE HELP SLI is overkill for mmoropg's I just built a computer system, and it was a cheap system and it runs Eve flawlessly at 1680x1050. I am using an E5200, 4Gb Ram WinXP 32 bit, and a ATI 4830. For some reason, and I am unsure if this is a graphics card issues as it is an eve client issue, but the interval default thing to keep the fps at max 60 does not work when in full screen. With one account in windows or full screen, all options on, I am doing 72fps. With two accounts, all options on, I am doing about 35fps. GPU is about 90% activity according to the ati software control panel. I really do not need to have all the options on. When I turn everything to low - to just make the fan quieter by any amount, the window in front gets 58 fps and the window in back gets 32 fps, and the ATI software says the GPU is at 56% use. About the same result in 1400x900 except less gpu activity. I would say SLI is overkill. And perhaps go for a 4850 instead of a 4830, or even a 4870.
Drakan290	Posted - 2009.05.28 16:52:00 - [12] Well, apparently only one of the people posting in this thread has actually WORKED with computers on a daily basis. Why would you need an i7 for EVE? If you can give me 3 reasons why and i7 would benefit over an E8400, I'll give you a cookie. OP: Best thing for you to do, if just playing EVE, browsing the web, watching some HULU movies from time to time -- is to setup something like this: Intel E8400 4gb DDR2 RAM P45 or X48 board (your choice) ATi 4770, 4850, 4870; NVidia GTS250, GTX260 Decent looking case (After all, you're going to need to look at it all day) A QUALITY POWER SUPPLY (Corsair, PC Power and Cooling, Seasonic, Antec) -- most of the inexperienced PC builders go for the cheapest power supply they can get. It's NOT worth losing your entire computer over $30. Some notes -- If you do want to go for an SLi or Crossfire configuration, I actually have written a multi page guide at OCN that can help you decide wether a dual card configuration is worth it for you, check it out - OCN Thread Good luck to you OP, and do research before blindly following forum posts.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.05.28 18:19:00 - [13] Originally by: Atomos Darksun If somebody here can name one game on the market that uses more than two cores, I will be enormously surprised. Deep Fritz 11. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
Dani SP	Posted - 2009.05.28 20:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Atomos Darksun Originally by: Dante Algermain just do what i did and pay for I7 and SLI it's great Do what this guy said and be a ****ing idiot. If somebody here can name one game on the market that uses more than two cores, I will be enormously surprised. That almost rules out quads as being worthless - let alone the i7 processors, which are nearly twice as expensive, and offer nothing near that. There is no future proofing in i7 - if you're not doing video editing, photoshop, etc., you're just throwing your money away. E8400 is still an amazing processor, and even then there's the new line of Phenom II's that have DDR3 controllers. Phenom II X3 720 is what I would personally buy if I were building a new system, or an E8400. DDR3 isn't a necessity, but it will perform better, especially if you go all out and buy the 1600mhz sticks, although they are 3x more expensive than DDR2. SLI is also just throwing away your money. 4870 FTW. you spanish right?
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.05.29 01:06:00 - [15] If it's just for Eve, Q6600 G0, plus an 8800 GTX. All you need for a smooth fast dual screen machine. As many have said, anything more and you'd be breaking the bank for no reason, unless you play some really high end games. \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.05.29 02:22:00 - [16] This is what you people call advice? This idiotic fanboyism is really irritating and stupid, not to say that it makes all of you look like fools. OP, what do you intend to do with the PC? Do you intend to just run EVE or other games? Are you just intending to watch films and listen to music? Last but not least how many clients are you hoping to run simultaneously? If all you do is run one client only and need a really cheap PC then even an old second hand PC will do. A64 or X2 @ 2.5+ 4GB RAM 7600GT I had a PC just like that and it ran EVE fine with everything turned up high. If you intend to run more than two clients I recommend a Quad Core. X4 Phenom II or Q6600 will do just fine. 4GB RAM 4770 If you want power and want to play other games than EVE: Phenom II/Q9550 4-8GB RAM 4890 I recommend buying AMD over Intel as they are in dire need of cash and Intel have been scumbags. I'm not saying Intel are bad, I have an Intel Q6600 @ 3.2 but if I were to build a new PC I would buy AMD exclusively just to support them. Also AMD are cheaper than Intel, and when it comes to video cards their 4xxx series can't be beaten. Also don't listen to the ignorant posters here claiming that Dual Cores are better than Quads because ever more games are being optimised for multi-core PC's. That means that a dual core will have to be at least 500MHz faster than a quad to equal them and it has, actualy, been that way for the past two years but don't tell the fanbois that.
Drakan290	Posted - 2009.05.29 06:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Super Whopper This is what you people call advice? This idiotic fanboyism is really irritating and stupid, not to say that it makes all of you look like fools. I recommend buying AMD over Intel as they are in dire need of cash and Intel have been scumbags. Originally by: Super Whopper I recommend buying AMD over Intel as they are in dire need of cash and Intel have been scumbags. Originally by: Super Whopper and Intel have been scumbags. @ the OP. There is some decent advice in here... But you don't need a quad unless you're doing something that warrants a quad. Gaming, foruming and watching movies doesn't warrant a quad. Doing expansive VMWare trials and tests would warrant a quad, along with heavy video editing, batch photo rendering
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.05.29 08:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Drakan290 Originally by: Super Whopper This is what you people call advice? This idiotic fanboyism is really irritating and stupid, not to say that it makes all of you look like fools. I recommend buying AMD over Intel as they are in dire need of cash and Intel have been scumbags. Originally by: Super Whopper I recommend buying AMD over Intel as they are in dire need of cash and Intel have been scumbags. Originally by: Super Whopper and Intel have been scumbags. @ the OP. There is some decent advice in here... But you don't need a quad unless you're doing something that warrants a quad. Gaming, foruming and watching movies doesn't warrant a quad. Doing expansive VMWare trials and tests would warrant a quad, along with heavy video editing, batch photo rendering Nice quoting of Intel being scumbags when they were just fined billions for anti-competitive practices. Obviously this person knows what they're talking about... or not.
Alex Raptos Caldari Phoenix Rising.	Posted - 2009.05.29 09:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Super Whopper Originally by: Drakan290 Originally by: Super Whopper This is what you people call advice? This idiotic fanboyism is really irritating and stupid, not to say that it makes all of you look like fools. I recommend buying AMD over Intel as they are in dire need of cash and Intel have been scumbags. Originally by: Super Whopper I recommend buying AMD over Intel as they are in dire need of cash and Intel have been scumbags. Originally by: Super Whopper and Intel have been scumbags. @ the OP. There is some decent advice in here... But you don't need a quad unless you're doing something that warrants a quad. Gaming, foruming and watching movies doesn't warrant a quad. Doing expansive VMWare trials and tests would warrant a quad, along with heavy video editing, batch photo rendering Nice quoting of Intel being scumbags when they were just fined billions for anti-competitive practices. Obviously this person knows what they're talking about... or not. And here's the Link Originally by: Dirk Magnum I've become gay for Mark Harmon despite my initial reservations about the show NCIS but nobody will ever know
qanatas Minmatar Cadre Assault Force	Posted - 2009.05.29 10:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Super Whopper I recommend buying AMD over Intel as they are in dire need of cash and Intel have been scumbags. I'm not saying Intel are bad, I have an Intel Q6600 @ 3.2 but if I were to build a new PC I would buy AMD exclusively just to support them. Also AMD are cheaper than Intel, and when it comes to video cards their 4xxx series can't be beaten. Wow, Nelie Smit Kroes plays Eve :). She'd be one viscous pirate I am sure...
Atnal Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.05.29 19:47:00 - [21] Don't spend more than $800 on an EVE computer. Try and recycle of the older components. My GTX260 is overkill for eve right now. 8800GT should be sufficient for eve since EVE isn't Crysis.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.05.30 10:32:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Begpo KpoBu Topic moved Check out that fuggen chin.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.30 10:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: CCP Begpo KpoBu Topic moved Check out that fuggen chin. He uses it to nail stickies to the forums Pomp FTW!!!
Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.05.30 12:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Atomos Darksun For CPU vs GPU performance boost, it varies on a case by case basis. X3, some Source engine games, and SupCom have major CPU bottleneck issues. To say that TF2 uses more than two cores is false - it does not do so natively, and it only uses more than one core for graphics rendering, which also has caused crashes for me. Edit: There is also a console command to use more than one core for all purposes, but for most source games, it'll just crash. But yes, in most cases, GPU matters more than CPU. Which is why I suggested the Phenom II X3 720, which is about $130 instead of one of the bloody Core i7's which is a ridiculous $250+. And there are only a few games out there that are really CPU heavy. The only game that I know of that requires a powerful CPU is Armed Assault 2, and it isn't out yet. Quad Core is recommended in it's system requirements.. So if you aren't doing anything heavy like video editing, rendering and other kinds of demanding numbercrunching, don't waste your money on i7 and others, put that extra money on something more useful like a graphics card. Games are mostly mostly demanding of a good GPU, and lots of processing power is going to waste if you're getting some ridiculously powerfull CPU.

CCP Sharkbait	Posted - 2009.05.30 12:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Atomos Darksun Originally by: Dante Algermain just do what i did and pay for I7 and SLI it's great Do what this guy said and be a ****ing idiot. If somebody here can name one game on the market that uses more than two cores, I will be enormously surprised. That almost rules out quads as being worthless - let alone the i7 processors, which are nearly twice as expensive, and offer nothing near that. There is no future proofing in i7 - if you're not doing video editing, photoshop, etc., you're just throwing your money away. i personally don't believe this to be true, infact i would advise getting a Quad core CPU. the OP stated he/she/it wants to use 2 clients and as you all know eve is very CPU hungry. 1 core for client 1, 1 core for client 2 and 2 more free cores to do whatever you want with. as for naming a game that uses more than 2 cores. i believe the half life 2 physics engine is multithreaded, so in theory could use as many cores as it wants. i'm not sure if the new particle system is on TQ yet, but that can use as many cores as you have. some info that will probably mean very little or nothing to you ? (just read the cores, FPS and ms). corestbb mslinear msfpstbb %linear %x times 10.01250.0125 27100.00%100% 1.00 20.00780.0063 3162.40%50% 1.60 30.00530.0042 3242.40%33% 2.36 40.00390.0031 3331.20%25% 3.21 50.00320.0025 3425.60%20% 3.91 60.00270.0021 3521.60%17% 4.63 70.00230.0018 3518.40%14% 5.43 80.00210.0016 3516.80%13% 5.95 when testing the new particle system, we used a machine with 8 cores. were not expecting every user to have a gillizion (i wonder if i spelt that correctly) cores, we just happened to have an 8 core machines at hand and used it :) i believe the audio engine in eve might also be multithreaded, but i'm not 100% sure on that. i just remember some people rambling about it at some point in the office. so, eve is a game that can use more than 2 cores. further more, were looking into multithreaded more to try and we are investing time into making other parts of the core engine multithreaded. another point to think about if your investing money into a new machine. (i know nothing about the OP, how much money he/she/it has, what he/she/it does as a profession) but because of the economy's current state, in my opinion you should think about trying to future proof you computer as best you can afford right now. just because most games do not use more than 1 CPU core (CPU cores are never a waste of money in my opinion) or sli, doesn't mean you shouldn't get it while you can. i can't say for sure, but i think a lot of developers will start making more and more use of systems with 2+ CPU's and GPU's Atomos is right on 2 points, Eve does not use sli and the 4780 is a very good card. personally it's my favorite card on the market right now and the only reason i don't use 1 is because our Operations team is against me soldering random hardware into my laptop. this is just my opinion, take from it what you want.

Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.05.30 15:23:00 - [26] Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 30/05/2009 15:27:11 Originally by: CCP Sharkbait stuff I only mentioned i7 as being worthless, and quad's as almost worthless. I was too lazy to put in the fact that I myself have a Q6600 and for almost everything I love it - except when it makes me scream in frustration as I try to play X3:TC, big games of SupCom (even with a third party program, it only uses 2 cores), and Age of Chivalry (for whatever reason it's a CPU ***, and the source engine will only let you use 2 cores, so far). I've been looking into picking up a new heatsink and just overclocking the out of it, since this proc is known for it's godlikeness in that category (50% overclock = <3). Also, confirming that EvE is multithreaded and uses more than one core, a point I didn't realize until I just went and looked at it in task manager. So if you are going to be running 2 clients, a Quad would be a better of an idea (just not i7). Especially if as Sharkbait is saying, that they're multithreading more and more of the engine. We love you. <3 Edit: By buy quad, I mean buy AMD. I don't like the pricing of Intel's newer C2Q's. Phenom II X3 720, or Phenom II X4 940 = win. The former if you're not running more than one client. You could also buy one of the even higher up Phenom II's, but it's unnecessary unless you're going to be playing a CPU intensive game (like one of the ones mentioned above). Originally by:** Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.05.30 16:05:00 - [27] Edited by: Leviathan9 on 30/05/2009 16:09:01 Originally by: Ademaro Imre I am using an E5200, 4Gb Ram WinXP 32 bit You do know your comp wont be making use of the whole 4gb RAM with a 32bit OS. 32bit can only use a max of like 3.5gb or something like that. If you want 4gb RAM or more you need a 64bit OS. Also i run eve at 1440x900 with about 50fps max and about 30fps min on a P4 3ghz 1.5gb RAM and Geforce7300GT 512mb. Though i'm buying a new comp next week which goes by these specs. AMD Phenom II X4 940 (4 x 3.0 GHz) 6MB - Black Edition Corsair XMS2 8GB PC2-6400 800 MHZ (4 x 2 GB) - Lifetime Warranty (DDR2) OCZ 700W Game XStream - Low Noise Cooler Master Centurion 590 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 OC2 - 1 GB - 2xDVI/VGA (BFG) (Includes Far Cry 2) Thermalright Ultima-90i - Silent Asus M3N78 Professional HDMI 5200MT/s (NVIDIA 8300) Costing me about ú930 though and the site does free delivery, and tbh thats actually a decent price for that stuff this sites pretty cheap compared to most other places. www.computerplanet.co.uk ---------------------------
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.05.30 18:17:00 - [28] If just for playing eve I wouldn't spend on much more than an 8800, I still have one and it runs 2 clients at 1680x1050 on 2 monitors comfortably with a core 2 duo. There was a quote from some nVidia guy somewhere saying that eve will only use SLi in full screen, but it's not really necessary. If i turn vsync off eve still runs at over 200 fps. PS- Might be down to drivers but when I shifted over to windows 7 FPS when using 2 monitors rose quite dramatically. __________________
Daelorn	Posted - 2009.05.31 00:49:00 - [29] Originally by: CCP Sharkbait [ when testing the new particle system NEW PARTICLE SYSTEM?! Need moar info now!
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.05.31 01:52:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Sharkbait Atomos is right on 2 points, Eve does not use sli and the 4780 is a very good card. personally it's my favorite card on the market right now and the only reason i don't use 1 is because our Operations team is against me soldering random hardware into my laptop. HOW DARE THEY!! Show them the light, my friend. Convert them from the Dark Side to the Cause, the Force is strong in you.

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