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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:13:00 -
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Macks Artilius wrote:There's a lot of talk of "Sociopaths" in EVE so...
1. Would you say that the mechanics of EVE vs other online games would make it more appealing to sociopaths?
2. How can you "detect" a sociopath vs someone who is just a ****?
3. Why don't animals have wheels?
Being one, i'll give this one a go.
The mechanics of EVE are appealing to sociopaths in the sense that they're challenging. This particular sociopath (me) doesn't find scamming appealing, because ive been very attuned to other people's emotions, and mine as well, all my life. To a degree that most can't understand. Almost empathic. The process of manipulating someone is essentially too easy for someone like me and it's an activity avoided. On the reverse, gaining real trust is the challenge and it's an activity I enjoy in EVE. It doesn't imply I seek to get along with everyone, merely gain trust. Even if the trust is gained by living up precisely to my word in a negative way. If I tell you i'm going to wardec you and hunt you exclusively i'm very likely to do so, and probably on a level of tenacity that the average gamer wouldn't expect. And for a even longer duration than most would find sane.
One of the stronger draws to the mechanics of EVE is also the nature of the Dev Team. They don't change the rules on a month to month basis and that plays a huge part of it too.
Sociopaths tend to be intelligent and as such the act of complaining about a rule is somewhat beneath them. They'd assume keep the rule and find a way to overcome and achieve in spite of it, assuming its one they disagree with. A sociopathic miner is likely to become angry with a miner complaining about suicide ganks, as an example. There are nuances to that but if it has been proven doable then any rule to make what has been done already easier is likely to strike a nerve with them.
Way to identify a sociopath? That's a tough one because the core nature of a sociopath is manipulation of emotion. Both others and their own. Some to a severe degree. From a feigned facial expression, a tone of voice, a posture or even the words chosen in a statement. A carefully structured question. All thoughts the sociopath ponders under certain circumstances.
If upon talking to someone you are struck with a notion that the person knows you on a more intimate level than the typical person/stranger would, you are very likely dealing with a sociopath. That effect you feel is very careful manipulation of the conversation by the sociopath by things they have read from you. Your posture, your mood, your cultural background, your appearance, your activity (profession related or other), etcetera.
Keep in mind that there isn't always a negative or harmful intent. The sociopath may very well want you to like them because they like you. And as the achievers they strive to be they find manipulating the situation for a desirable outcome to be honorable where parts of society may not.
There is a distinct possibility that somewhere in our universe an "animal" has developed something similiar to a wheel, as a bird developed a wing, as a means for survival and travel. Perhaps closer to a snail or snakes form of movement around a gellatenous membrane of some type. Like a mousewheel. |

Iamien
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
147
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:27:00 -
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Why does this game attract so few female players in comparison to other mmos? |

Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:41:00 -
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Why do some people feel bad about ruining another human being's day and others relish it. Does this say something about their inate character? When someone can be anything they want and they choose to be a villian without regard to the effects of their choice on other human beings, or in some cases because of the effect on other human beings, is this role-playing or is this saying something about who they are in reality? |

Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
688
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:51:00 -
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After answering my questions i can see that you did study psychology and not pop psychology (which every real psychologist hates with a passion)
Quote: It's entirely possible I'm wrong. I don't do correlations much - our lab does more on the experimental manipulation side, so our tool of choice is usually the linear regression model.
This was a trick question as Pearsons and Spearmans are used for either parametric or non parametric datat and even though you did pick the wrong one you do have an understanding of exactly what they are used for.
One more thing linear regression models are just correlations inversed. unless you are using multivariate regression. But you can still use non parametric data in a parametric model such as likert scales. If you get significant results it shows the power of the data you are analysing.
This guy. Half the people on the internet claim to be either a Sociopath or an Aspie. Its almost always self diagnosed.. And thats without the help of the ICD-3 or the DCM-IV. This always make me laugh whenever people claim to be this. Extra note they always claim to have a superior IQ.
Quote: This must be an example of trying to make that expert guy look stupid?
I was just trying to work out if you were a psychologist or a pop psychologist.
Lastly.
The Phd you propose is interesting but it would be hard to gather data and it does not sound like there is enough meat there to sustain a Phd. If you really want something better with more meat you could always try addiction and computer games and include data in from this game.
The hypothesis would run along the lines of "all MMOs are gambling" look at Skinners operant conditioning and randomised reward over effort. its exactly the same rewards as gambling and makes up the general gameplay of games like Diable and WOW. If you look at this game the hypothesis would suggest that the most addictive pve activity is Plexing and i know several players who do nothing else. If you want to discuss it then let me know if you are interested as it would probably be a defining PHd and the first of its kind for MMOs.
I would do it myself but ive decided to throw my life away on waste it on nothing and i have so much potential... well let me know anyway. I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

Bucky O'Hair
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
49
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:55:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:MeestaPenni wrote:Gahagan wrote:If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask. Why can't my wife get it through her thick skull that the jelly goes on the peanut butter; not the other piece of bread? Because it's been demonstrated scientifically that the female gender has large deficiencies in kinesthetic sense perceptions. tl;dr - because bitches be trippin'
ROFLMAO
You sir, just won!
We Are Ushra'Khan!
We are coming for our people. |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
32
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:59:00 -
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EvE Fanfest 2011: Nice People, Nasty Players
Some people don't get that EvE is just a video game. Chill out and have fun. If you can't stand the fact that someone has a power to interfere with "our" game, you shouldn't play sandbox MMO's. |

Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:01:00 -
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Zyress wrote:Why do some people feel bad about ruining another human being's day and others relish it. Does this say something about their inate character? When someone can be anything they want and they choose to be a villian without regard to the effects of their choice on other human beings, or in some cases because of the effect on other human beings, is this role-playing or is this saying something about who they are in reality?
In EVE, asking that question is similiar to asking why do the best poker players feel unashamed in bluffing and essentially stealing someone elses money when playing the game.
What your real question, or maybe should be, is "why did the devs not create a game that forces societies moral structure on the playerbase so I can feel sheltered and comfortable?" And the answer is because they didn't want to. They wanted to be different than almost every mmo currently on the market.
And at its core that principle, the willingness to leave societal constructs as they are in real life outside of their world and to allow the universe to be as unhindered as possible creates a visceral and very alluring atmosphere.
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
688
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:09:00 -
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Quote:Being one, i'll give this one a go.
The mechanics of EVE are appealing to sociopaths in the sense that they're challenging. This particular sociopath (me) doesn't find scamming appealing, because ive been very attuned to other people's emotions, and mine as well, all my life. To a degree that most can't understand. Almost empathic. The process of manipulating someone is essentially too easy for someone like me and it's an activity avoided. On the reverse, gaining real trust is the challenge and it's an activity I enjoy in EVE. It doesn't imply I seek to get along with everyone, merely gain trust. Even if the trust is gained by living up precisely to my word in a negative way. If I tell you i'm going to wardec you and hunt you exclusively i'm very likely to do so, and probably on a level of tenacity that the average gamer wouldn't expect. And for a even longer duration than most would find sane.
One of the stronger draws to the mechanics of EVE is also the nature of the Dev Team. They don't change the rules on a month to month basis and that plays a huge part of it too.
Sociopaths tend to be intelligent and as such the act of complaining about a rule is somewhat beneath them. They'd assume keep the rule and find a way to overcome and achieve in spite of it, assuming its one they disagree with. A sociopathic miner is likely to become angry with a miner complaining about suicide ganks, as an example. There are nuances to that but if it has been proven doable then any rule to make what has been done already easier is likely to strike a nerve with them.
Ways to identify a sociopath? That's a tough one because the core nature of a sociopath is manipulation of emotion. Both others and their own. Some to a severe degree. From a feigned facial expression, a tone of voice, a posture or even the words chosen in a statement. A carefully structured question. All thoughts the sociopath ponders under certain circumstances.
If upon talking to someone you are struck with a notion that the person knows you on a more intimate level than the typical person/stranger would, you are very likely dealing with a sociopath. That effect you feel is very careful manipulation of the conversation by the sociopath by things they have read from you. Your posture, your mood, your cultural background, your appearance, your activity (profession related or other), etcetera.
Keep in mind that there isn't always a negative or harmful intent. The sociopath may very well want you to like them because they like you. And as the achievers they strive to be they find manipulating the situation for a desirable outcome to be honorable where parts of society may not.
There is a distinct possibility that somewhere in our universe an "animal" has developed something similiar to a wheel, as a bird developed a wing, as a means for survival and travel. Perhaps closer to a snail or snakes form of movement around a gelatinous membrane of some type. Like a mousewheel.
This is just precious. a few things
1. the wheel question was a trick question as its impossible. You need seperate moving parts you overly intelligent Psychopath.
2. Ive done a lot of human brain mapping using Multiphasic resonance imaging and diagnosed sociopaths have damage to their developentally damaged amygdala. Not the cool answers to an online test.
3. A sociopath would not play Eve as one of their biggest problems is that they look for instant gratification as certain sections of their brain never matured .
4. one of the reasons that Sociopaths never look at the consequences of their actions is due to them not worrying about consequences to their actions or only worrying very close to the punishment time. Just like a child would with there underdeveloped brain.
Conclusion. why dont you tell everyone you are an Aspie as well. You are not a sociopath and it does not make you more interesting. just another person who has to work hard to be noticed I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:12:00 -
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88% of the people on Earth believe in "God" - of course you'll find people in EVE that are, if anything, delusional and short a few cards for a full deck. |

Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:35:00 -
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Yawn. |
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
688
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:39:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Yawn.
Thought about an answer, had nothing and edited it to nothing I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:41:00 -
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[quote=Karn Dulake]Quote: This is just precious. a few things
1. the wheel question was a trick question as its impossible. You need seperate moving parts you overly intelligent Psychopath.
2. Ive done a lot of human brain mapping using Multiphasic resonance imaging and diagnosed sociopaths have damage to their developentally damaged amygdala. Not the cool answers to an online test.
3. A sociopath would not play Eve as one of their biggest problems is that they look for instant gratification as certain sections of their brain never matured .
4. one of the reasons that Sociopaths never look at the consequences of their actions is due to them not worrying about consequences to their actions or only worrying very close to the punishment time. Just like a child would with there underdeveloped brain.
Conclusion. why dont you tell everyone you are an Aspie as well. You are not a sociopath and it does not make you more interesting. just another person who has to work hard to be noticed
snicker
Aside from your woefully juvenile 4 point thesis on the human psyche your killboard shows mediocrity and subpar intellect as well. |

Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
688
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:44:00 -
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lols you tard ive posted that several times on the forum myself.
No Sociopath here. instead why dont you give me a better reason why you are a Sociopath and how you were diagnosed I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:46:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:lols you tard ive posted that several times on the forum myself.
No Sociopath here. instead why dont you give me a better reason why you are a Sociopath and how you were diagnosed
Oh im sorry Mr Cocky did the posting of your joke of a killboard from supposedly such a intelligent and well schooled individual blindside you?
Im not going to give you anything, who the hell are you? You certainly aren't a threat in game as the evidence shows you a braindead dullard. And from that I know you aren't a board certified psychologist either. Basically what you projected on me, the seeking of attention are the qualities you demonstrate. |

Ituhata Saken
Crimson Cross Destroyers
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:49:00 -
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If one is sexually excited by the thought of **** and murder, but is overly empathic when such actions occur in the real world, what are their chances of becoming a serial killer, and what are their odds of becoming a miner versus a pirate? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3760
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:13:00 -
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Iamien wrote:Why does this game attract so few female players in comparison to other mmos?
Women get to do to each other in real life what we are only allowed to do via a game. Why bother with EVE? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
59
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:25:00 -
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Do you think the appearance of a player's portrait...be it fearsome...sexy...creepy...noble...bizarre or plain... have any impact on how other players subconsciously perceive that player? On that vein, do you think the gender of the character has any impact, even though it is widely known that it is not tied to the player's real gender. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |

Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:28:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:lols you tard ive posted that several times on the forum myself.
No Sociopath here. instead why dont you give me a better reason why you are a Sociopath and how you were diagnosed Oh im sorry Mr Cocky did the posting of your joke of a killboard from supposedly such an intelligent and well schooled individual blindside you?
What could a killboard possibly say about relative intelligence and schooling? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3760
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:32:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:Do you think the appearance of a player's portrait...be it fearsome...sexy...creepy...noble...bizarre or plain... have any impact on how other players subconsciously perceive that player? On that vein, do you think the gender of the character has any impact, even though it is widely known that it is not tied to the player's real gender.
I'm going to go right ahead and say that your eve portrait inclines me to think that the bones of at least 3 children are buried in your back yard.
EDIT: Yeah and some dogs and stuff too. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
95
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:35:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:You certainly aren't a threat in game as the evidence shows you a braindead dullard. .
Yes, because we all know that being terrible at one thing makes you terrible at everything and comparative to that of a vegetable.
I'm no psych, but it looks like you just got called out on chattin ****. Now you're clutching at straws to discredit him which only serves to point out just how wrong you are. The statement "I'm a sociopath" just reeks of "LOOK AT ME!" |
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Nefertiri Ra'apharo
Mabad Ilhba Alasw'd
3
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:41:00 -
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Gahagan wrote: In reality, though, people are naturally aggressive, some to greater degrees than others. Engaging in PvP, or just ganking, is likely a cathartic release of that aggression, like sports or exercise might be to other people...
And how many years at how much $ per year did it take for you to be able to write that profound revelation?
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1134
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:58:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:You certainly aren't a threat in game as the evidence shows you a braindead dullard. . Yes, because we all know that being terrible at one thing makes you terrible at everything and comparative to that of a vegetable. I'm no psych, but it looks like you just got called out on chattin ****. Now you're clutching at straws to discredit him which only serves to point out just how wrong you are. The statement "I'm a sociopath" just reeks of "LOOK AT ME!" This. Also, Caliph, it seems to me that your mental faculties are severely diminished. I'd get a psychologist to look at that. Now if only I knew where to find them on Eve... |

Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:37:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:Believe me, if you touted your qualifications to me in person I'd hold your feet to the fire. Oh, if you'd like some ingame English useage tutorials, I only charge 100 million ISK per half hour. I'm not claiming superiority of my qualifications. I'm claiming competence. You seem very eager to demonstrate your own real-life qualifications though. Is it because you take pride in them, or because you doubt their usefulness and want to affirm them?
Those were the only two possibilities you could think of, or does your line of logic run in pairs? Do you find yourself counting symptoms in groups of three?
If you understand your science, then you should be aware a BS qualifies you to pursue a masters (which then opens the possibility of achieving a doctorate.) That's the only competence it signifies. However, here you are making your assertions. That speaks for itself. Resting on ones laurels isn't quite the same as letting ones laurels rest. (Of course, it would do to begin by achieving said laurels.)
Seeking affirmation of ones abilities from those who aren't qualified to comprehend them would be foolhardy, no? However, taking pride in ones accomplishments, among some disciplines, is willfully fettering oneself. Here. Allow me to toss a third possibility in the mix. (You may have considered this, but cast it off as not being likely.) There are some people who have a low tolerance for obscuring the truth. If you don't like that one then try - making inflated assertions.
As for your declaration that "most" of the posts with regard to ASPD on the forum are incorrect, I do take issue with that. That you felt it necessary to say (and by so doing asserting your own unique qualifications), that speaks volumes. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
865
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:07:00 -
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I read the title as "Ask a Proctologist about EVE." Entered thread expecting to figure out why highsec miners have their heads shoved so far up their own asses, and what treatment options are available for the poor unfortunate souls.
Left disappointed. |

Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
96
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:31:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:If you understand your science, then you should be aware a BS qualifies you to pursue a masters... That's the only competence it signifies.
Confirming I know nothing about chemistry except that soon I'll be allowed to take a masters in it... |

Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:50:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Zyress wrote:Why do some people feel bad about ruining another human being's day and others relish it. Does this say something about their inate character? When someone can be anything they want and they choose to be a villian without regard to the effects of their choice on other human beings, or in some cases because of the effect on other human beings, is this role-playing or is this saying something about who they are in reality? What your real question, or maybe should be, is "why did the devs not create a game that forces societies moral structure on the playerbase so I can feel sheltered and comfortable?" And the answer is because they didn't want to. They wanted to be unlike almost every mmo currently on the market.
No I was really asking if some people can turn off any moral compass they may have or do they not actually have one to begin with, just a healthy regard for consequences that keeps them in line in their real life but they can ignore in a virtual environment. Safety isn't something I look for in eve, or any other mmo I play really. I just don't prey on people who don't want to fight. People in Nullsec, losec or legitimate war targets only. I realize without D1c&s in the game, it would be less interesting, I'm just trying to understand them. I mean do they not get that cold empty feeling inside when they know they've screwed someone over? And if they don't is it some lesson they missed growing up or is it in their genes. Nature or nurture? |

Master Gotama
Black Sky Hipsters
4
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:02:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.
how does 4+ years of bong hits and keg stands qualify you to inform anyone of anything? |

Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
450
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:27:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:If you understand your science, then you should be aware a BS qualifies you to pursue a masters... That's the only competence it signifies. Confirming I know nothing about chemistry except that soon I'll be allowed to take a masters in it... But, when you finally get that doctorate, I for one will stand in awe of you. Well done...so far. Impressive. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
96
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:46:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:If you understand your science, then you should be aware a BS qualifies you to pursue a masters... That's the only competence it signifies. Confirming I know nothing about chemistry except that soon I'll be allowed to take a masters in it... But, when you finally get that doctorate, I for one will stand in awe of you. Well done...so far. Impressive.
Thank you, but its kind of funny. A Phd really isnt necessary besides acquiring a larger pay check or if I wanted to work in academia. An MSc or even a BSc can work just as well in industry to be honest, MSc just makes it easier to fine a job lol. |

Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:48:00 -
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The Pretension hits EXPLOSIVE Levels........................... Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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