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Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
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Posted - 2012.05.13 01:23:00 -
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Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask. |
Kriegman
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.05.13 01:35:00 -
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Dear Shrink,
Would you please kindly tell me as to why do I enjoy murdering other capsuleers? Clearly there is something wrong with me. Is there any way I can overcome my addiction to locking up and shooting people in my overview just to see what their ship had inside? |
Ilnaurk Sithdogron
Crunchy Crunchy Peregrine Nation
9
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Posted - 2012.05.13 01:44:00 -
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Hello there.
Why are some people so unwilling to accept their losses and move on? I'm a relatively "young" character, and I've lost a few destroyers and cruisers to mission NPC's. I've never had a problem realizing that I messed up and trying to learn from my mistakes, toning down my initial feelings of aggressiveness and invulnerability. Yet so many miners that I have seen lost their ships and were unwilling to accept their problems. |
Jacob Stiller
The Scope Gallente Federation
1307
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Posted - 2012.05.13 01:45:00 -
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Look at me! I recently received an undergraduate degree so everyone should take me seriously as an expert in voodoology. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
497
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Posted - 2012.05.13 01:50:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.
Let me guess, you're also studying the concept of trust and money in a sandbox environment. You're offering to triple any ISK sent to you, and want to see how many people take the offer.
I'VE HEARD THIS ONE BEFORE. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
18
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Posted - 2012.05.13 01:53:00 -
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Kriegman wrote:Dear Shrink,
Would you please kindly tell me as to why do I enjoy murdering other capsuleers? Clearly there is something wrong with me. Is there any way I can overcome my addiction to locking up and shooting people in my overview just to see what their ship had inside?
You could use a cargo scanner.
In reality, though, people are naturally aggressive, some to greater degrees than others. Engaging in PvP, or just ganking, is likely a cathartic release of that aggression, like sports or exercise might be to other people.
Ilnaurk Sithdogron wrote:Hello there.
Why are some people so unwilling to accept their losses and move on? I'm a relatively "young" character, and I've lost a few destroyers and cruisers to mission NPC's. I've never had a problem realizing that I messed up and trying to learn from my mistakes, toning down my initial feelings of aggressiveness and invulnerability. Yet so many miners that I have seen lost their ships and were unwilling to accept their problems.
Everyone is, to some degree, risk-averse. The inability that some people have to accepting losses probably stems from a greater perception to salience of failure. Different people perceive situations differently, and it may be that players who take ship and asset losses especially hard are more perceptive of negative situational cues, and then really dwell on them.
There may also be a correlation between feelings of disappointment regarding a loss and the seriousness with which one plays the game, as well as amount of in-game income. It would be interesting to look at in an actual study.
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MeestaPenni
Deadman W0nderland The 99 Percent
247
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Posted - 2012.05.13 01:53:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.
Why can't my wife get it through her thick skull that the jelly goes on the peanut butter; not the other piece of bread?
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
18
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Posted - 2012.05.13 01:55:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Gahagan wrote:If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask. Why can't my wife get it through her thick skull that the jelly goes on the peanut butter; not the other piece of bread?
Because it's been demonstrated scientifically that the female gender has large deficiencies in kinesthetic sense perceptions.
tl;dr - because bitches be trippin'
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NickyYo
StarHug
73
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Posted - 2012.05.13 01:56:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.
Please tell me why certain players always respond negatively always to peoples suggestions & ideas. Thank you good sir, NickyYo (SERVICE) Need a project coding? (PHP & Javascript) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101893&find=unread |
stoicfaux
1051
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Posted - 2012.05.13 02:01:00 -
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Professionally, what can you do with a BS in Psychology?
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
18
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Posted - 2012.05.13 02:08:00 -
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NickyYo wrote: Please tell me why certain players always respond negatively always to peoples suggestions & ideas. Thank you good sir, NickyYo
There's really no penalty for saying something wrong when you're posting or speaking with relative anonymity, such as when you're online, but there's a lot of personal feelings of superiority when you're right, regardless of context. Some people are predisposed to arguing on the internet to get those feelings of superiority.
It can also have to do with first impressions - if someone's asking a question, or making a statement, and you don't appear to be intelligent, it's more likely that you will appear to be wrong. Therefore, others would perceive that they have a good chance of being right by telling you that you're wrong. You can also see this effect when someone appears TOO intelligent: there would be a lot to gain by demonstrating that person isn't as smart as they think they are.
stoicfaux wrote: Professionally, what can you do with a BS in Psychology?
A BS in Psych is roughly the same as an undergraduate degree in business, halved. It's really a terrible degree if it's your only degree. It's nice when you pair it with something else, like an MBA, or a law degree, though.
I'm going to grad school for pharmacy, with the idea of working in R&D and clinical drug tests for pharmaceutical companies. I don't think that'll work out half-bad. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
72
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Posted - 2012.05.13 02:26:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:
It's really a terrible degree if it's your only degree. It's nice when you pair it with something else, like an MBA, or a law degree, though.
Sir, I'm starting to believe that you may actually have this degree, since you're aware of this fact. |
Jacob Stiller
The Scope Gallente Federation
1307
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Posted - 2012.05.13 02:29:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:stoicfaux wrote: Professionally, what can you do with a BS in Psychology?
A BS in Psych is roughly the same as an undergraduate degree in business, halved. It's really a terrible degree if it's your only degree. It's nice when you pair it with something else, like an MBA, or a law degree, though. I'm going to grad school for pharmacy, with the idea of working in R&D and clinical drug tests for pharmaceutical companies. I don't think that'll work out half-bad.
Bah, I would've guessed mental hospital orderly. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1115
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Posted - 2012.05.13 02:33:00 -
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simple answer is
"the greater internet ****wad theory"
Normal person + anonymity + audience = Total ****wad The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Mathias Hex
133
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Posted - 2012.05.13 02:50:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.
BS still stands for bullshit right?
Ok ok lets give this a try, how come I am always a smart ass? I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
203
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Posted - 2012.05.13 02:56:00 -
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Why did the Mittani organize Burn Jita and-more importantly-back Hulkageddon?
Who is James315 and why is he pushing to remove Human miners from Highsec? Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Xai Li Shun
Mussito Existimatio
6
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Posted - 2012.05.13 03:19:00 -
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Protip: Your bachelors does not make you a psychologist. It barely makes you a fry cook. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
22
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Posted - 2012.05.13 03:33:00 -
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Mathias Hex wrote:
BS still stands for bullshit right?
Ok ok lets give this a try, how come I am always a smart ass?
More or less. The B.A. is more of a bullshit degree though.
You're probably always a smartass because you can be anonymous. There's less repercussions for saying or doing certain things when there's a diminished fear of repercussion.
Mars Theran wrote:Why did the Mittani organize Burn Jita and-more importantly-back Hulkageddon?
Who is James315 and why is he pushing to remove Human miners from Highsec?
1.) Most likely because he could. Mittani recognizes that EvE is a sandbox game, and he and the rest of Goons, Helicity, etc. seem to enjoy pushing the boundaries of how much they can affect the events that take place in EvE. That feeling's only enhanced because he's in a position to actually do it - I'm sure most of us dream of being significant figures in EvE, and being able to influence the course of the game.
2.) No idea who he is - but I'd guess it's for the same reasons as above. |
Vulix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.13 03:58:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.
Only a bachelors? Lol.
-A PhD Candidate |
XXSketchxx
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
260
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Posted - 2012.05.13 04:08:00 -
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Confirming a BS is the requirement for expert in any field. |
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Connaght Badasaz
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
41
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Posted - 2012.05.13 04:10:00 -
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Vulix wrote:Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask. Only a bachelors? Lol. -A PhD Candidate
Lol, Bookworm. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
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Posted - 2012.05.13 04:12:00 -
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Vulix wrote:
Only a bachelors? Lol.
-A PhD Candidate
Clinical or academic? 5+ years of running experiments and writing papers isn't really my thing. I'll stick to a PharmD and make 80k starting.
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Vulix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.13 04:27:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:Vulix wrote:
Only a bachelors? Lol.
-A PhD Candidate
Clinical or academic? 5+ years of running experiments and writing papers isn't really my thing. I'll stick to a PharmD and make 80k starting. Edit - and for clinical, I don't know, it's just not my thing. If you're doing that, whatever. But a PhD in an academic setting is rather unappealing.
Academic, and it's very appealing to me. Why?
1. Summer vacations for the rest of my life
2. All-expense paid trips to conferences that take place in awesome places (Washington D.C., Barcelona, Hawaii are just a few examples)
3. I'm studying computer science, so I basically just work as a software engineer and write some papers (pretty much some documentation on my code + theory\lit review)
4. My research is funded by some government agencies with interests in national defense, so I get to program cool **** 8D
I do think a lot of academic PhDs are boring though, but I'm sure they are exhilirating to the people pursuing them.
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Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
22
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Posted - 2012.05.13 04:32:00 -
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It's endemic to Psychology. I was under the impression that's what you were talking about.
The 'average' Psychology or Sociology PhD takes 6 years, and if you are doing anything with longitudinal data, God help you. |
SpaceSquirrels
282
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Posted - 2012.05.13 04:40:00 -
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XXSketchxx wrote:Confirming a BS is the requirement for expert in any field.
Lol this...
You and about 13 million other Americans just received a psych degree. This does not make you a psychologist. This makes you yet another person with a worthless bachelors degree. (Along with communications, English, any lit degree, liberal arts, poli sci, marketing, sociology, and social work just to name a few.) Get a PH.d or a masters in I.O psych then come talk to us.
Least paid degrees
Drum role please..... See what number one is. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
23
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Posted - 2012.05.13 04:47:00 -
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SpaceSquirrels wrote:Lol this...
You and about 13 million other Americans just received a psych degree. This does not make you a psychologist. This makes you yet another person with a worthless bachelors degree. (Along with communications, English, any lit degree, liberal arts, poli sci, marketing, sociology, and social work just to name a few.) Get a PH.d or a masters in I.O psych then come talk to us.
Least paid degrees
Drum role please..... See what number one is.
Thanks for the career advice. I think you missed this though.
Gahagan wrote:I'm going to grad school for pharmacy, with the idea of working in R&D and doing clinical drug tests for pharmaceutical companies. I don't think that'll work out half-bad.
#2 you say? Hmm - almost seems like someone's done some reading into lucrative degrees! |
Daneirkus Auralex
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
99
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Posted - 2012.05.13 04:55:00 -
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Is it true that the human brain isn't fully developed until reaching the age of 25? Is it true that that the median age of EVE players is 27? |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
23
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Posted - 2012.05.13 04:59:00 -
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Daneirkus Auralex wrote:Is it true that the human brain isn't fully developed until reaching the age of 25? Is it true that that the median age of EVE players is 27?
The brain never really "stops" developing - forming a memory or learning a skill involves neuronal connections being made, and that never really stops. It just slows down as you age.
But the brain is mostly done doing "brain things" by the time you get to your 20s. 25 isn't a strict rule, but it's a good ballpark estimate.
I do not know what the median age of EvE players is, however, so I'm unable to comment on whether EvE players are more developed, neurologically, than players of other MMOs.
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Derglas Servekti
Twilight Labs Unsung Voices
1
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Posted - 2012.05.13 05:47:00 -
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OK, here's my question. I have a PhD in physics, yet somehow I'm still able to play EVE even though it utterly butchers basic Newtonian mechanics. My question is: given this, DID Han shoot first? |
Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.05.13 06:02:00 -
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Daneirkus Auralex wrote:Is it true that the human brain isn't fully developed until reaching the age of 25? Is it true that that the median age of EVE players is 27?
The brain is always developing since you are always experiencing the world and those experiences are physical structures within your brain. So, it would be better to say that the brain has, on average, matured by age 25, although I've seen it said as low as 22, instead of saying it has finished developing. Also, it's important to understand the maturation isn't uniform. The area of the brain that develops last is the prefrontal cortex which is where the idea that you finish developing at 25 comes from. A list of what functions it is involved in.
I'm not really sure if maturation is the quite as precise a word I'm looking for, considering you could probably consider decrease in function/mass due to age as maturation as well.
Derglas Servekti wrote:OK, here's my question. I have a PhD in physics, yet somehow I'm still able to play EVE even though it utterly butchers basic Newtonian mechanics. My question is: given this, DID Han shoot first?
Ahahah you got a degree in physics, what a nerd! |
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Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2012.05.13 06:19:00 -
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ill play .
how does eve achieve the adrenaline effect of the shakes ?
one can play battle field 3 all day and not even experience a minor tremble of excitement ( rage don't count here)
but in eve when it comes to pvp a large majority have experienced the adrenaline rush .
with eve being only a game what sets eve apart from the rest in this manner? |
Durie
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.05.13 06:24:00 -
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I've described EVE as a 10 year long Stanford prisoner experiment to people unfamiliar with the game. Is this a fair description? |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
303
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Posted - 2012.05.13 06:33:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:A BS in Psych is roughly the same as an undergraduate degree in business, halved. It's really a terrible degree if it's your only degree. It's nice when you pair it with something else, like an MBA, or a law degree, though.
I'm going to grad school for pharmacy, with the idea of working in R&D and clinical drug tests for pharmaceutical companies. I don't think that'll work out half-bad.
So you're either genuine...or you *were* doing this and on to ~hopefully~ greener pastures. Soon as I started realizing how much psych 101 and psych 450 had in common, I bounced.
Either way, I laughed. Good luck with the pharma degree, big pharma may suck but they pay well. People have a hard time determining what words mean. Words. -á |
Pres Crendraven
19
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Posted - 2012.05.13 06:43:00 -
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Oh doctor Gagger, I just love your show. Tell me please, You seem to know why everybody is the way they is but can you tell me how to change into somebody I Isn't. All my Eve career I been wantin to drool and froth at the mouth like a greedy bloodthirstys sociopath but nothin I seem to do helps me to really change. Ewar this, Repper that, little help here, little help there. Once in a while I swoop in and do the hero save but when I'm done I'm the same capsuleer is still there. Risk, Pain,greed, peers, none of them motivate me to kill. What can I do? Meta34me
Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent. |
Daneirkus Auralex
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
101
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Posted - 2012.05.13 06:55:00 -
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Verte Sinkon wrote: The area of the brain that develops last is the prefrontal cortex which is where the idea that you finish developing at 25 comes from. Foreseeing and weighing possible consequences of behavior..
I was planning a troll on OP, such that creating this thread was a bad idea gaahh the hell with it |
Jack Orf
NORAD GUARD Voice of Void Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.13 09:10:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.
Explaining behavior requires attributing beliefs. You can't attribute beliefs without understanding the culture within which an individual developed. Psychology only describes behavior, and cannot explain it. Regardless, any interpretation you give falls victim to underdetermination of theory by evidence - you don't have nearly enough evidence to do anything more than speculate.
A bachelor's in psychology is a joke. Read some anthropology and philosophy and learn how to think. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.05.13 09:14:00 -
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What parallels do you see between Erikson's life stage theory and the progression of newbies in eve online? |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2012.05.13 09:15:00 -
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How would you help those battered goon victims.
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
441
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Posted - 2012.05.13 09:16:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask. Why are so many players whining on the forums about sucide ganks and the so called "non-consensual" PvP? Surely, they must have been aware of PvP in EVE when they signed up. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2012.05.13 09:18:00 -
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Sri Nova wrote:ill play .
how does eve achieve the adrenaline effect of the shakes ?
one can play battle field 3 all day and not even experience a minor tremble of excitement ( rage don't count here)
but in eve when it comes to pvp a large majority have experienced the adrenaline rush .
with eve being only a game what sets eve apart from the rest in this manner?
i am no doc but it is due to the consequences of losing ships and/or inflicting that loss on other people. |
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Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.05.13 09:42:00 -
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Jacob Stiller wrote:Look at me! I recently received an undergraduate degree so everyone should take me seriously as an expert in voodoology.
^ this
also OP, i have a serious question. why do some people insist on inserting toilet paper into the holder so that it pulls from the bottom? are they clinically insane? |
Mersault
Blue Nine Industries
82
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:09:00 -
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Dear OP,
I feel frightened and bewildered.
Is a snuggle out of the question? |
Kehro Urgus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
324
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:10:00 -
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Ursula Thrace wrote:Jacob Stiller wrote:Look at me! I recently received an undergraduate degree so everyone should take me seriously as an expert in voodoology. ^ this also OP, i have a serious question. why do some people insist on inserting toilet paper into the holder so that it pulls from the bottom? are they clinically insane?
Back in the day when corncobs were used for arsewipe people used to argue if it was best to hold the stem or flower end. Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
684
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:11:00 -
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As someone with an BSc Undergraduate degree and a master degree in psychology at two red brick English Universities we can put all of this to the test.
Quote:A BS in Psych is roughly the same as an undergraduate degree in business, halved. It's really a terrible degree if it's your only degree. It's nice when you pair it with something else, like an MBA, or a law degree, though.
This is pretty funny. as as you get two types of degrees Interest or vocational. Law degrees and psychology degrees are both vocational and require further professional training first and if you just took two half degrees in law and psychology you would not be able to take vocational degrees in either.
Also an MBA is a Masters not a Batchelors.
Next
You can take a Pharma degree as a first degree so what you are in effect saying is that you took a pysch degree did not want to go into psychologhy and decided to switch to pharma. If you think that they are related apart from the occasional Pharmapsychology then you are very wrong. Bonus points if you can give me an application of Pharmapychology.
Quote:The 'average' Psychology or Sociology PhD takes 6 years, and if you are doing anything with longitudinal data, God help you. ive just realised that you are American. It takes 3 years for a Phd which includeds empirical research.
I cant be bothered to look at this stuff any further but do you know what IVs and DVs are and which type of data a basic spearmans correlation would analyse.
Also can you think of an Empirical research that you can conduct on this game and would you need internal validity or external validity as a basis.
If you can answer the above i will accept that you have a basic understanding of Social science research I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
685
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:15:00 -
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Dear friendly neighbourhood quack,
Why am I so good at internet spaceships? CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
91
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:29:00 -
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Why do people feel the need to belittle achievement? A BSc in psych is probably a BSc more than they'll ever have...
Also, is in game behaviour such as scamming and ganking indicative of real life behavioural problems? I always find it silly when people start spurting out ridiculous things like "if you pod people then you're a bad person"
Karn Dulake wrote: ive just realised that you are American. It takes 3 years for a Phd which includeds empirical research.
Im pretty sure my friend whose starting a Phd in chemistry would disagree with you. Most Phd's in the UK take atleast 5 years...
Im just settling for doing a masters... |
Niko Takahashi
United Starbase Systems
38
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:31:00 -
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Jacob Stiller wrote:Look at me! I recently received an undergraduate degree so everyone should take me seriously as an expert in voodoology. This made laugh.
To the op now you should go and get engendering or some other real degree. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
500
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Posted - 2012.05.13 11:01:00 -
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Niko Takahashi wrote:Jacob Stiller wrote:Look at me! I recently received an undergraduate degree so everyone should take me seriously as an expert in voodoology. This made laugh. To the op now you should go and get engeneering or some other real degree.
Quoted for truth. As the long time owner of a doctoral degree by nature I don't listen to mere bachelors' graduates. Call me after your thesis. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
685
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Posted - 2012.05.13 11:37:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Why do people feel the need to belittle achievement? A BSc in psych is probably a BSc more than they'll ever have... Also, is in game behaviour such as scamming and ganking indicative of real life behavioural problems? I always find it silly when people start spurting out ridiculous things like "if you pod people then you're a bad person" Karn Dulake wrote: ive just realised that you are American. It takes 3 years for a Phd which includeds empirical research. Im pretty sure my friend whose starting a Phd in chemistry would disagree with you. Most Phd's in the UK take atleast 5 years... Im just settling for doing a masters...
I could not possibly comment on Chemstry PhDs as i have no experience of them and ill take your word that they take 5 years but most degrees take 3 years
The three years are normally mainly taken with empirical research of you are doing a science based degree.
I do a guy completed one of the fastest ever PhD in the UK, It took him 11 days to turn in 50000 words. But he did there years of research first (i know that this is very very uncommon) I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Peter Raptor
Plutonian Army
143
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Posted - 2012.05.13 11:40:00 -
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Why is existence better than non-existence and how do you know your answer is correct? Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
92
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Posted - 2012.05.13 11:57:00 -
[51] - Quote
Karn Dulake wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Why do people feel the need to belittle achievement? A BSc in psych is probably a BSc more than they'll ever have... Also, is in game behaviour such as scamming and ganking indicative of real life behavioural problems? I always find it silly when people start spurting out ridiculous things like "if you pod people then you're a bad person" Karn Dulake wrote: ive just realised that you are American. It takes 3 years for a Phd which includeds empirical research. Im pretty sure my friend whose starting a Phd in chemistry would disagree with you. Most Phd's in the UK take atleast 5 years... Im just settling for doing a masters... I could not possibly comment on Chemstry PhDs as i have no experience of them and ill take your word that they take 5 years but most degrees take 3 years The three years are normally mainly taken with empirical research of you are doing a science based degree. I do a guy completed one of the fastest ever PhD in the UK, It took him 11 days to turn in 50000 words. But he did there years of research first (i know that this is very very uncommon)
Strange though, anyone I ever spoke to about doing a Phd since being at uni always mentioned 5 years and a chemistry Phd definitely involves empirical research. Maybe Im getting mixed up with architecture undergrads lol |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3748
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Posted - 2012.05.13 12:01:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Why is existence better than non-existence and how do you know your answer is correct?
Why do Psychology and Philosophy have different names? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
JackBlasta
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
8
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Posted - 2012.05.13 12:12:00 -
[53] - Quote
meh anything other than an IT/Engineering/Science/Medical degree is just years thrown away imo. |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.13 12:17:00 -
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Ursula Thrace wrote:Jacob Stiller wrote:Look at me! I recently received an undergraduate degree so everyone should take me seriously as an expert in voodoology. ^ this also OP, i have a serious question. why do some people insist on inserting toilet paper into the holder so that it pulls from the bottom? are they clinically insane?
No. No. No. This question is a waste of the good Sir's time. The real question is, why did this poster and myself pick the Red Team and not the Blue one? |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
687
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Posted - 2012.05.13 12:18:00 -
[55] - Quote
JackBlasta wrote:meh anything other than an IT/Engineering/Science/Medical degree is just years thrown away imo.
Hardly. Just 'cause you have the Asian attitude doesn't mean that you can't be well-paid. Solicitors and Barristers, for example - they don't have degrees in BioChemiPhysiScienceRoflSomethingOrOther, but they're still some of the richest people in normal society. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
574
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Posted - 2012.05.13 12:22:00 -
[56] - Quote
Hi, I'm a moron. I shiptoast, therefor I am. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
795
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Posted - 2012.05.13 12:44:00 -
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I have a good one....
Why do people (such as the rabble in this thread) hate the very mentioning of psychology? It is as though they cannot stand the idea of people knowing them like an open book, and knowing what motivates them even if they do not admit it to themselves. It seems to hurt their ego and perhaps even scare them. Ultimately, It seems to bring them to anger when they hear their own motivations spoken aloud. To say to someone "you have a need for validation and a need to be right" tends to equal "you are having problems being as validated as you want to be, and you have a need to be right because you are insecure." The outcome is that they see themselves as being more little then they want to be, and the result is the lashing out towards (and attempts to invalidate) the source of what violated their imagined state of being.
Am I close Mr. Psychology BS degree?
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
795
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Posted - 2012.05.13 12:46:00 -
[58] - Quote
Amarra Mandalin wrote:Ursula Thrace wrote:Jacob Stiller wrote:Look at me! I recently received an undergraduate degree so everyone should take me seriously as an expert in voodoology. ^ this also OP, i have a serious question. why do some people insist on inserting toilet paper into the holder so that it pulls from the bottom? are they clinically insane? No. No. No. This question is a waste of the good Sir's time. The real question is, why did this poster and myself pick the Red Team and not the Blue one?
Subconsciously you probably feel that a red banner is a more powerful color then a blue one. Go ahead... deny it
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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
84
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Posted - 2012.05.13 13:48:00 -
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I don't understand the CSM. It appears to be an entirely altruistic organisation. How can it exist? |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
369
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:00:00 -
[60] - Quote
Yes, I'd love to speak to one regarding EVE Online. Do you happen to know the name of one? |
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
369
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:01:00 -
[61] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I have a good one....
Why do people (such as the rabble in this thread) hate the very mentioning of psychology? It is as though they cannot stand the idea of people knowing them like an open book, and knowing what motivates them even if they do not admit it to themselves. It seems to hurt their ego and perhaps even scare them. Ultimately, It seems to bring them to anger when they hear their own motivations spoken aloud. To say to someone "you have a need for validation and a need to be right" tends to equal "you are having problems being as validated as you want to be, and you have a need to be right because you are insecure." The outcome is that they see themselves as being more little then they want to be, and the result is the lashing out towards (and attempts to invalidate) the source of what violated their imagined state of being.
Am I close Mr. Psychology BS degree?
I think people might hate the idea of it because it reeks of pseudoscience. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
795
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:11:00 -
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Snowflake Tem wrote: It appears to be an entirely biased and self-serving organization. How can it exist?
Fixed that for you, and also took care of your spelling errors. No thx is needed.
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
795
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:13:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:
I think people might hate the idea of it because it reeks of pseudoscience.
Tom cruise? Is that you?
Also, to say that it is pseudoscience is the easiest road to attempt to discredit it (and thus validate oneself). It is a term often uttered by people who do not understand the science in question, and therefore have no say in it's legitimacy. In order to discern the pseudo from the science, one must first understand the science.
To "reek" is not to "know" it is only to assume. Your assumptions are not based on facts, and thus... well... It does not matter.
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
93
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:22:00 -
[64] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:
I think people might hate the idea of it because it reeks of pseudoscience.
Tom cruise? Is that you? Also, to say that it is pseudoscience is the easiest road to attempt to discredit it (and thus validate oneself). It is a term often uttered by people who do not understand the science in question, and therefore have no say in it's legitimacy. In order to discern the pseudo from the science, one must first understand the science. To "reek" is not to "know" it is only to assume. Your assumptions are not based on facts, and thus... well... It does not matter. Agreed. The only reason I take the **** out of psych students is the same as why I take the **** out of biology students; because it's funny.
Both are sciences in their own right. As if the copious use of empiricism didn't drop the hint. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
28
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:25:00 -
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Wow. Lots of questions. Here we go:
sri nova wrote:how does eve achieve the adrenaline effect of the shakes ?
one can play battle field 3 all day and not even experience a minor tremble of excitement ( rage don't count here)
but in eve when it comes to pvp a large majority have experienced the adrenaline rush .
with eve being only a game what sets eve apart from the rest in this manner?
There's more inherent risk in EvE than in other 'pvp' games - when you die in EvE you lose what you're flying, as well as your clone and implants, if you aren't quick enough to warp out. If you're in a big enough fight you also stand to lose things like a POS, a customs office, even an entire solar system. The greater importance that EvE places on succeeding in PvP leads to a greater fight or flight response, and a greater increase in adrenaline.
durie wrote:I've described EVE as a 10 year long Stanford prisoner experiment to people unfamiliar with the game. Is this a fair description?
Haha. More or less, yeah. The difference is that EvE provides opportunities for class advancement, and Zimbardo didn't provide any opportunities for the prisoners to become the wardens. In my opinion that makes it even worse - it opens up all kinds of opportunities for revenge.
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:What parallels do you see between Erikson's life stage theory and the progression of newbies in eve online?
Oh snap. Nice question.Truthfully, I don't think there's too many parallels, although it's interesting that 'healthy' development in EvE flips some of Erik's stages around. For example, trust is an awful thing in EvE, and you do far better once you've figured out that nobody can really be trusted, especially people you don't know. The industry vs. inferiority stage really applies to PvP pretty heavily too, I think - I think I posted about this earlier. People who engage in PvP with a learning approach will always wind up achieving more success in PvP than people who enter PvP with a risk-aversive attitude.
I mean, there's some parallels, sure, but I don't think that Erikson's life stage model plots exactly the course of a newbie in EvE.
Lexmana wrote:Why are so many players whining on the forums about sucide ganks and the so called "non-consensual" PvP? Surely, they must have been aware of PvP in EVE when they signed up.
You would think. I can guarantee you that some people don't though. I think the general perception among players who complain about suicide ganks is that they perceive EvE as two halves - a 'safe' half and a 'dangerous' half. Most other players recognize that EvE is a spectrum of danger. Events like Hulkageddon upset the 'danger spectrum' and cause players in highsec to perceive it as less safe, so they complain.
And they kind of have a point - it's a half-full / half-empty situation. On one hand, CCP wants highsec to be a safe place - you have police responses, and global timers, and all that. But on the other hand CCP wants highsec to be subject to the same sandbox environment as the rest of the game - if you want someone dead in highsec, you can make them dead. The difference between the players who complain and the players who don't is how they perceive that argument.
karn dulake wrote:ive just realised that you are American. It takes 3 years for a Phd which includeds empirical research.
I cant be bothered to look at this stuff any further but do you know what IVs and DVs are and which type of data a basic spearmans correlation would analyse.
Also can you think of an Empirical research that you can conduct on this game and would you need internal validity or external validity as a basis.
If you can answer the above i will accept that you have a basic understanding of Social science research
1.) It depends on your research. The graduate student I work under has been here for six, because his data set isn't complete enough to write a dissertation on. In 'Merica, anyway.
2.) An IV is a variable that can be manipulated, and is predicted to have an influence on subsequent experiment outcomes. A DV is a subsequent result from an experiment. A Spearman correlation analyzes continuous numeric varialbes and reports the degree to which one changes in response to another, however, it provides no information on causality and should not be reported as such.
3.) The project I was considering doing was looking at the influence of rewards on subsequent behaviors. I would have found some participating corps or alliances and had them schedule an event, and offer pilots a large or small ISK reward. You would measure their subsequent attendance to the event, and then a week or two later, you would hold the same event but with no ISk reward. Theories by Lepper and Nisbett would indicate that pilots who received a high ISK reward for attending the event would be LESS motivated to attend the non-reward event, because they could attribute their attendance to receipt of the reward. Pilots who received a low ISK reward, on the other hand, would be unable to justify their attendance to the reward, and instead attribute it to interest in the event, making them more likely to attend the non-reward event.
Due to difficulties in implementation of such a paradigm, and an inability to ensure participation, and difficulties in getting basic IRB approval, I scrapped that idea in favor of looking at some biological controls over motivation, but it's still an interesting idea.
As far as validity goes, internal is generally the more important one. You want to verify that your experiment is examining the variables, and drawing the conclusions, that it is supposed to be drawing. External validity is nice, and when you have it that's great, but it isn't as important, and you can't JUST have external validity, it would make no sense.
** more responses below ** |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
28
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:33:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Why am I so good at internet spaceships?
Because you're better than other people who aren't as good.
Aruken Marr wrote:Why do people feel the need to belittle achievement? A BSc in psych is probably a BSc more than they'll ever have...
Also, is in game behaviour such as scamming and ganking indicative of real life behavioural problems? I always find it silly when people start spurting out ridiculous things like "if you pod people then you're a bad person"
1.) It's probably acognitive dissonance thing. To say that another's choices are wrong means that, by default, the choices you've made are right (or at least not as bad). People are generally insecure about their decisions, choices, and actions in life, and to belittle another's accomplishments is to affirm your own beliefs. If you want to read more about the many different ways people go about being dicks, read Leon Festinger's work on cognitive dissonance.
Peter Raptor wrote:Why is existence better than non-existence and how do you know your answer is correct?
Well, first, from a scientific perspective, you'd want to hypothesize whether existence were better than non-existence, and to answer that question (scientifically) you would need to experience both.
Cue liberal arts and philosophy majors telling me I'm wrong.
malcanis wrote:Why do Psychology and Philosophy have different names?
The same reason ecology and environmentalism have different names. One uses application of the scientific method, and one does not.
amarra mandalin wrote:No. No. No. This question is a waste of the good Sir's time. The real question is, why did this poster and myself pick the Red Team and not the Blue one?
There's actually some neat research on this. Red is just a color that people pick more often. If you want to have some fun with your friends, write the number "2" on an index card and ask them to guess a number between 0 and 2. You will be right far more often than 33% of the time.
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Arix Sarn
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:37:00 -
[67] - Quote
Why do I have an irresistible urge to wear my wifes panties when I log on my PvP alt to melt face? It is the only time I wear them. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
28
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:45:00 -
[68] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I have a good one.... Why do people (such as the rabble in this thread) hate the very mentioning of psychology? It is as though they cannot stand the idea of people knowing them like an open book, and knowing what motivates them even if they do not admit it to themselves. It seems to hurt their ego and perhaps even scare them. Ultimately, It seems to bring them to anger when they hear their own motivations spoken aloud. To say to someone "you have a need for validation and a need to be right" tends to equal "you are having problems being as validated as you want to be, and you have a need to be right because you are insecure." The outcome is that they see themselves as being more little then they want to be, and the result is the lashing out towards (and attempts to invalidate) the source of what violated their imagined state of being.
No, that's pretty spot on, I think. I don't think it's necessarily because we're mind readers, people actually just don't hide their behavior very well because they don't recognize the kind of things to hide.
See one of my responses above about the posts in the thread.
I think another perception is that a Psychology B.S. is a waste of time degree, and I'd agree with that. If I had to go back and redo college, I'd definitely go with a degree in Chemistry, or maybe Statistics. But Psychology has just been something I've always enjoyed, and I would up with the degree before recognizing the dour career prospects that came with it.
But as far as degrees go, it is pretty a much a "teach you how to think, and not how to do" degree, and in general those are kind of a waste, since they don't prepare you to do anything meaningful in the real world.
Snowflake Tem wrote:I don't understand the CSM. It appears to be an entirely altruistic organisation. How can it exist?
It's a position of perceived importance, so I would guess that people sitting on the CSM feel that they have an important role in the design and direction of the game, and that leads them to try and do the right thing. There's two conflicting aspects of human nature: the desire to do whatever you want, and the need to do what's right. You can style it as id vs. superego if you want, I don't really like Freud too much.
Anyway there's also some neat work that says if you feel like you're being watched, you're way more likely to 'do the right thing'. This even applies if it's just a pair of eyes painted on the wall. The CSM is a pretty high-visibility position, compared to some backwoods asteroid belt where some sod got his Hulk ganked, and so that may lead to their altruism as well.
Finally, it could just be a response to a position of authority. From what I understand of the CSM, you actually communicate directly with CCP, and Milgram has plenty to say about responses to authority.
Gorki Andropov wrote:Yes, I'd love to speak to one regarding EVE Online. Do you happen to know the name of one?
Get in touch with Josh Diaz. He wrote a 225-page thesis on the narrative architecture within Dwarf Fortress and probably plays the hell out of some video games.
Oh sh oh you were implying that I wasn't a psychologist. Damn. Well, you got me. Shoot. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
28
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:47:00 -
[69] - Quote
Arix Sarn wrote:Why do I have an irresistible urge to wear my wifes panties when I log on my PvP alt to melt face? It is the only time I wear them.
Paraphilias lead you to do some weird things. I would guess that the first time you successfully PvP you (for whatever reason) had panties on, and now you've linked the panties to the feelings of euphoria that come with your PvPing. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
94
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:54:00 -
[70] - Quote
Gahagan wrote: I'd definitely go with a degree in Chemistry
Chemistry's ok. There's far too much physics for my liking but it can be ignored the more Organic you go; Inorganic still has it's bits. I found that I was mis-sold chemistry while at school. It's nothing like what I'd thought it to be.
Funny thing is I wanted to do a degree in history, but I realised it would've destroyed my interest in the subject much like it did with most of chemistry. Luckily I stil have some bits in chem that make me go wow. Hoping to get into a nanochemistry research group next year, specifically CNTs and the like. |
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Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
28
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Posted - 2012.05.13 15:00:00 -
[71] - Quote
Nanotech is neat stuff. Lots of opportunities for growth there - that field's going to get huge in the next 5-10 years and never really go away. |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
130
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Posted - 2012.05.13 15:22:00 -
[72] - Quote
A BS in psych and ready to be an authority. How amusing. Here's my question:
Why do people receive a modicum of education in a field then suddenly must present themselves as experts? Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
94
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Posted - 2012.05.13 15:24:00 -
[73] - Quote
Gahagan wrote:Nanotech is neat stuff. Lots of opportunities for growth there - that field's going to get huge in the next 5-10 years and never really go away.
I know, right. Just waiting on one of those little wonder discoveries that result in exponential growth. |
MeestaPenni
Deadman W0nderland The 99 Percent
247
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Posted - 2012.05.13 15:30:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:A BS in psych and ready to be an authority. How amusing.
Given how poorly the vast majority of people understand the inner workings of cognition, behavior, memory, et al, it doesn't take much study to be way ahead of the curve on grokking some s h i t. Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
28
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Posted - 2012.05.13 15:36:00 -
[75] - Quote
Pok Nibin wrote:A BS in psych and ready to be an authority. How amusing. Here's my question:
Why do people receive a modicum of education in a field then suddenly must present themselves as experts?
I would guess it's for the same reasons as why people enjoy devaluing others' achievements - demonstrating your ability to others makes you feel good. And then also, perceiving someone as extremely knowledgeable but knocking them off their high horse also leads to feelings of satisfaction.
In generally, people act more civilized in face-to-face interactions, or in interactions when personal details are tied to the conversation. On a mostly anonymous internet forum, it's easier to strive for good feelings through expressing negativity and superiority towards others.
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Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
60
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Posted - 2012.05.13 15:54:00 -
[76] - Quote
Gahagan Glad to see you could take my idea and build on it to the next level. Always liked people that grabbed opportunity.
As to you eduction progression, Chem with psyc, I feel would be a really good way to go as the majority of human emotion comes from chemical reaction so in effect you would be covering cause and effect .
Keep it up I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
442
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Posted - 2012.05.13 16:28:00 -
[77] - Quote
Gahagan wrote:A Spearman correlation analyzes continuous numeric varialbes and reports the degree to which one changes in response to another, however, it provides no information on causality and should not be reported as such. Actually, Spearman correlations are used for rank order data. For continuos data we use the Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient. At least in Sweden. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
731
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Posted - 2012.05.13 16:29:00 -
[78] - Quote
Read OP....
Trying to hold off on joke about B.S. in Psychology... |
Vulix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.13 16:32:00 -
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Why did OP make this thread? Because he has low self-esteem and is looking for validation on the Internet.
There's your psychology. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
28
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Posted - 2012.05.13 16:33:00 -
[80] - Quote
Vulix wrote:Why did OP make this thread? Because he has low self-esteem and is looking for validation on the Internet.
There's your psychology.
That's one theory, sure.
The other theory would be that the OP is tired of reading about the "psychology" of gankers and the "psychology" of PvPers and the "psychology" of gankers and wanted to lend his knowledge to the debate by answering questions people have instead of writing a 3-4 post essay.
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
369
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Posted - 2012.05.13 16:43:00 -
[81] - Quote
Aruken Marr wrote: Why do people assume that ability is limted by the level of their qualification? A man can read, understand and teach without a lable.
One can do all of those things, and yet not spell correctly.
Anyway, that's my Sunday afternoon quota all filled up - good luck with your thread :) |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
29
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Posted - 2012.05.13 16:49:00 -
[82] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Gahagan wrote:A Spearman correlation analyzes continuous numeric varialbes and reports the degree to which one changes in response to another, however, it provides no information on causality and should not be reported as such. Actually, Spearman correlations are used for rank order data. For continuos data we use the Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient. At least in Sweden.
It's entirely possible I'm wrong. I don't do correlations much - our lab does more on the experimental manipulation side, so our tool of choice is usually the linear regression model. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
120
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Posted - 2012.05.13 16:53:00 -
[83] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I have a good one....
Why do people (such as the rabble in this thread) hate the very mentioning of psychology? It is as though they cannot stand the idea of people knowing them like an open book, and knowing what motivates them even if they do not admit it to themselves. It seems to hurt their ego and perhaps even scare them. Ultimately, It seems to bring them to anger when they hear their own motivations spoken aloud. To say to someone "you have a need for validation and a need to be right" tends to equal "you are having problems being as validated as you want to be, and you have a need to be right because you are insecure." The outcome is that they see themselves as being more little then they want to be, and the result is the lashing out towards (and attempts to invalidate) the source of what violated their imagined state of being.
Am I close Mr. Psychology BS degree?
Because the people claiming to know such don't. And having a degree doesn't mean you are more intelligent than someone with a high IQ but from a social class that couldn't afford to attend college.
For instance, i'm a sociopath. One with a very high IQ. Anything you thought you knew about me would at best be speculation as I could very easily manipulate the person in question into believing something about me that was completely pulled out of my arse. Of which would prove your thesis on why I did or do something for any reason as complete hogwash. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
30
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Posted - 2012.05.13 17:03:00 -
[84] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Because the people claiming to know such don't. And having a degree doesn't mean you are more intelligent than someone with a high IQ but from a social class that couldn't afford to attend college.
For instance, i'm a sociopath. One with a very high IQ. Anything you thought you knew about me would at best be speculation as I could very easily manipulate the person in question into believing something about me that was completely pulled out of my arse. Of which would prove your thesis on why I did or do something for any reason as complete hogwash.
Thats not to say that a counselor isn't useful for helping someone suffering from a mental issue be it depression or grief but that a twenty something kid doesn't have intimate knowledge of the human psyche in a infallible way.
ASPD's a special case, which I'm sure you understand, if you do actually have it. And it wouldn't be speculation - it's entirely reasonable to assume that, when conversing with someone with ASPD, that they are in fact outright lying to you.
While an interesting example on their own, the bulk of the population doesn't have ASPD, and so it's not valid to claim symptoms of ASPD as an attribution for anyone saying anything negative ever.
Further, I'm not making claims that I have intimate knowledge of the human psyche in an infallible way. Only a fool would make such a claim, regardless of actual background or experience. My claim is that I've received a formal education in psychology. Is it possible that someone with a high IQ who didn't go to college can reach the same education independently? Of course. But not everyone has a high IQ, by definition.
Conversely, a degree does not guarantee proficiency in a topic. However, it does lend context and credibility, which is the manner in which it's been used in this circumstance.
And regarding good and evil: that's philosophical. However, the root of personality and behavior is neural connectivity and neural activation, so there is truth to the statement that the difference between good and evil is within synapses. That isn't really speculation. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Gahagan wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Because the people claiming to know such don't. And having a degree doesn't mean you are more intelligent than someone with a high IQ but from a social class that couldn't afford to attend college.
For instance, i'm a sociopath. One with a very high IQ. Anything you thought you knew about me would at best be speculation as I could very easily manipulate the person in question into believing something about me that was completely pulled out of my arse. Of which would prove your thesis on why I did or do something for any reason as complete hogwash.
Thats not to say that a counselor isn't useful for helping someone suffering from a mental issue be it depression or grief but that a twenty something kid doesn't have intimate knowledge of the human psyche in a infallible way. ASPD's a special case, which I'm sure you understand, if you do actually have it. And it wouldn't be speculation - it's entirely reasonable to assume that, when conversing with someone with ASPD, that they are in fact outright lying to you. While an interesting example on their own, the bulk of the population doesn't have ASPD, and so it's not valid to claim symptoms of ASPD as an attribution for anyone saying anything negative ever. Further, I'm not making claims that I have intimate knowledge of the human psyche in an infallible way. Only a fool would make such a claim, regardless of actual background or experience. My claim is that I've received a formal education in psychology. Is it possible that someone with a high IQ who didn't go to college can reach the same education independently? Of course. But not everyone has a high IQ, by definition. Conversely, a degree does not guarantee proficiency in a topic. However, it does lend context and credibility, which is the manner in which it's been used in this circumstance. And regarding good and evil: that's philosophical. However, the root of personality and behavior is neural connectivity and neural activation, so there is truth to the statement that the difference between good and evil is within synapses. That isn't really speculation.
I'm not attacking you brother, if you have a genuine intent in helping people with a mental illness then you do an honorable service. I merely gave a snarky opinion regarding the dismissive nature people have regarding psychology. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
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Posted - 2012.05.13 17:13:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:I'm not attacking you brother, if you have a genuine intent in helping people with a mental illness then you do an honorable service. I merely answered the question regarding the dismissive nature people have regarding psychology.
Oh, you thought I was saying, like "Ask a Shrink About EvE". I'm an experimental psychologist, not a clinical psychologist. My intent is to learn, not to treat.
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
120
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Posted - 2012.05.13 17:18:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:I'm not attacking you brother, if you have a genuine intent in helping people with a mental illness then you do an honorable service. I merely gave a snarky opinion regarding the dismissive nature people have regarding psychology.
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Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
26
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Karn Dulake wrote:As someone with an BSc Undergraduate degree and a master degree in psychology at two red brick English Universities we can put all of this to the test. Quote:A BS in Psych is roughly the same as an undergraduate degree in business, halved. It's really a terrible degree if it's your only degree. It's nice when you pair it with something else, like an MBA, or a law degree, though. This is pretty funny. as as you get two types of degrees Interest or vocational. Law degrees and psychology degrees are both vocational and require further professional training first and if you just took two half degrees in law and psychology you would not be able to take vocational degrees in either. Also an MBA is a Masters not a Batchelors. Next You can take a Pharma degree as a first degree so what you are in effect saying is that you took a pysch degree did not want to go into psychologhy and decided to switch to pharma. If you think that they are related apart from the occasional Pharmapsychology then you are very wrong. Bonus points if you can give me an application of Pharmapychology. Quote:The 'average' Psychology or Sociology PhD takes 6 years, and if you are doing anything with longitudinal data, God help you. ive just realised that you are American. It takes 3 years for a Phd which includeds empirical research. I cant be bothered to look at this stuff any further but do you know what IVs and DVs are and which type of data a basic spearmans correlation would analyse. Also can you think of an Empirical research that you can conduct on this game and would you need internal validity or external validity as a basis. If you can answer the above i will accept that you have a basic understanding of Social science research
This must be an example of trying to make that expert guy look stupid? Allocate resources to FiS |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
30
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Posted - 2012.05.13 18:29:00 -
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A pretty straightforward one, yeah. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
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Gorki Andropov wrote:Aruken Marr wrote: Why do people assume that ability is limted by the level of their qualification? A man can read, understand and teach without a lable.
One can do all of those things, and yet not spell correctly. Anyway, that's my Sunday afternoon quota all filled up - good luck with your thread :)
Hurr
Funny thing is, I typed out lebel first then decided to correct it for some reason. I blame labile. |
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Forger Lanis
The Augen Nation.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.13 20:04:00 -
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Why can't I bring myself to trust anyone in this game? When I played SWG there were people I trusted implicitly with my most priced virtual posessions.
Is it because our avatars are spaceships and not humanoids? In reality it shouldn't matter as the avatar in SWG is no different from the ship in EVE. I might add that SWG had an incredible degree of customization regrading the looks (actual physical appearance) and clothing. Can it be that the human brain subconsciously regard the avatar as the actual player and judges based upon that? |
Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Gorki Andropov wrote:I think people might hate the idea of it because it reeks of pseudoscience.
Psychology is unabashedly one of the most interesting of the sciences, for me personally, but it is goddamn plagued by people who think they can literally generalize everything they learned and are somehow authorities on behaviors they literally have no information about aka this thread.
Forger Lanis wrote:Why can't I bring myself to trust anyone in this game? When I played SWG there were people I trusted implicitly with my most priced virtual posessions.
Is it because our avatars are spaceships and not humanoids? In reality it shouldn't matter as the avatar in SWG is no different from the ship in EVE. I might add that SWG had an incredible degree of customization regrading the looks (actual physical appearance) and clothing. Can it be that the human brain subconsciously regard the avatar as the actual player and judges based upon that?
What in the christ.
It's called game design. |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
861
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Posted - 2012.05.13 20:10:00 -
[93] - Quote
Why am I only able to achieve erection after I've ganked a Hulk in highsec? The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
635
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Why is pesky human ethics always getting in.. well, whatever you scheme! I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
35
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Posted - 2012.05.13 20:40:00 -
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Forger Lanis wrote:Why can't I bring myself to trust anyone in this game? When I played SWG there were people I trusted implicitly with my most priced virtual posessions.
Is it because our avatars are spaceships and not humanoids? In reality it shouldn't matter as the avatar in SWG is no different from the ship in EVE. I might add that SWG had an incredible degree of customization regrading the looks (actual physical appearance) and clothing. Can it be that the human brain subconsciously regard the avatar as the actual player and judges based upon that?
That could be a possibility. Personally I'd wager that in SWG there's less of an avenue towards scamming and cheating, and in EvE it's actively encouraged. You're less trusting in players from EvE because it's more likely to be a scam and less likely to be an honest deal.
Verte Sinkon wrote:Psychology is unabashedly one of the most interesting of the sciences, for me personally, but it is goddamn plagued by people who think they can literally generalize everything they learned and are somehow authorities on behaviors they literally have no information about aka this thread.
I'm not sure what psychology you learned. Should I not be generalizing what I have learned about human behavior in real life to human behavior in a video game?
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Why am I only able to achieve erection after I've ganked a Hulk in highsec?
See my earlier response on paraphilias. You've linked the image of an exploding Hulk to sexual arousal.
Alpheias wrote:Why is pesky human ethics always getting in.. well, whatever you scheme!
See my earlier response on id/superego conflict. Basically, part of you knows that EvE is a game and that you can do whatever sinister, backstabbing scheme you want. But another part of you know that what you're doing, in real life, would be considered wrong. So you experience stress. Of course, the amount of stress that people feel can differ wildly. Some people have no problem scamming and coercing other pilots, and others would never even consider it. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
254
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Posted - 2012.05.13 20:40:00 -
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Gahagan wrote: If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.
Why does my wife never feel like having a good rumble in the bed yet once she gives into it it's her who allways enjoys it the most.
This will help me get less frustrated every time she says she's too tired once i know the reasons behind it.
Thanks in advance. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
35
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Posted - 2012.05.13 20:46:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Why does my wife never feel like having a good rumble in the bed yet once she gives into it it's her who allways enjoys it the most.
This will help me get less frustrated every time she says she's too tired once i know the reasons behind it.
Thanks in advance.
Dang. I should be able to do this, because I'm always the one who says he's too tired.
There's two things that could be going on:
1.) is that she's not thinking how much she enjoys it when she's trying to go to bed, in other words, the pleasure of sex isn't as salient as the pleasure of sleep. However, once you get down to business, the pleasure of sex is more salient, and so she's able to derive more enjoyment from it.
2.) is that she's lying, and faking her orgasms.
I'm not really qualified to tell you which is more likely. |
Forger Lanis
The Augen Nation.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.13 21:06:00 -
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Verte Sinkon wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:I think people might hate the idea of it because it reeks of pseudoscience. Psychology is unabashedly one of the most interesting of the sciences, for me personally, but it is goddamn plagued by people who think they can literally generalize everything they learned and are somehow authorities on behaviors they literally have no information about aka this thread. Forger Lanis wrote:Why can't I bring myself to trust anyone in this game? When I played SWG there were people I trusted implicitly with my most priced virtual posessions.
Is it because our avatars are spaceships and not humanoids? In reality it shouldn't matter as the avatar in SWG is no different from the ship in EVE. I might add that SWG had an incredible degree of customization regrading the looks (actual physical appearance) and clothing. Can it be that the human brain subconsciously regard the avatar as the actual player and judges based upon that? What in the christ. It's called game design.
You could scam and infiltrate there too. A friend lost his BLs that were worth millions and took a year to aquire. |
Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
42
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Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.
Players pretend that they are ruthless; this is only for the game. Here are only nice and honest guys. Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
Peter Raptor
Plutonian Army
143
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Posted - 2012.05.13 21:58:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Why is existence better than non-existence and how do you know your answer is correct? Well, first, from a scientific perspective, you'd want to hypothesize whether existence were better than non-existence, and to answer that question (scientifically) you would need to experience both. Cue liberal arts and philosophy majors telling me I'm wrong.
Every one has experienced both since there was a time they didn't exist, and also we are not talking about subjective experience, we want objective facts since that what science is about And what am I doing discussing Ontology on Eve forums
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
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Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
136
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Posted - 2012.05.13 22:11:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:A BS in psych and ready to be an authority. How amusing. Here's my question:
Why do people receive a modicum of education in a field then suddenly must present themselves as experts? I would guess it's for the same reasons as why people enjoy devaluing others' achievements - demonstrating your ability to others makes you feel good. And then also, perceiving someone as extremely knowledgeable but knocking them off their high horse also leads to feelings of satisfaction. In generally, people act more civilized in face-to-face interactions, or in interactions when personal details are tied to the conversation. On a mostly anonymous internet forum, it's easier to strive for good feelings through expressing negativity and superiority towards others. Believe me, if you touted your qualifications to me in person I'd hold your feet to the fire. Oh, if you'd like some ingame English useage tutorials, I only charge 100 million ISK per half hour. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
FeralShadow
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Is there any credibility to the idea that people who gank/scam/perform delinquint behavior in eve are more likely to express delinquint behavior in real life?
"I do believe in karma. -áThat means that whenever I do something sh**y to others, they somehow deserved it." |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
36
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Posted - 2012.05.13 22:20:00 -
[103] - Quote
Peter Raptor wrote:Every one has experienced both since there was a time they didn't exist, and also we are not talking about subjective experience, we want objective facts since that what science is about And what am I doing discussing Ontology on Eve forums
Well, during my period of nothingness I lacked the sensory inputs, neural connectivities, and hormonal regulation mechanisms necessary for memory formation, so it's kind of fuzzy for me. If you can tell me what it was like that would be great.
Pok Nibin wrote:Believe me, if you touted your qualifications to me in person I'd hold your feet to the fire. Oh, if you'd like some ingame English useage tutorials, I only charge 100 million ISK per half hour.
I'm not claiming superiority of my qualifications. I'm claiming competence. You seem very eager to demonstrate your own real-life qualifications though. Is it because you take pride in them, or because you doubt their usefulness and want to affirm them?
FeralShadow wrote:Is there any credibility to the idea that people who gank/scam/perform delinquint behavior in eve are more likely to express delinquint behavior in real life?
EvE is sort of like alcohol - it lowers the barrier of inhibition for performing such activities due to feelings of anonymity, lack of repercussion, and some other weird social dynamics.
There's no correlation between in-game and out of game delinquent behavior any more than there's a correlation between singing Ke$ha on your porch completely shitfaced versus stone cold sober. Sometimes, when there's certain conditions present, it happens. But that doesn't mean it always happens. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
395
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:03:00 -
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Quote:There's no correlation between in-game and out of game delinquent behavior any more than there's a correlation between singing Ke$ha on your porch completely shitfaced versus stone cold sober. Sometimes, when there's certain conditions present, it happens. But that doesn't mean it always happens.
Wouldn't saying something definitive like "there is no correlation" require you to have actually experimented and have data?
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Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
36
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:08:00 -
[105] - Quote
Kahega Amielden wrote:Wouldn't saying something definitive like "there is no correlation" require you to have actually experimented and have data?
It would if we were talking hard science here, and if you want some sources I can probably provide them. But since the only two groups who talk about video games causing undesirable behavior are politicians and mothers, it's a pretty reasonable assumption to say that it doesn't happen.
Edit: I'm actually going to revise that statement shortly, it's not entirely correct. |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
71
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:13:00 -
[106] - Quote
Gahagan wrote:FeralShadow wrote:Is there any credibility to the idea that people who gank/scam/perform delinquint behavior in eve are more likely to express delinquint behavior in real life? EvE is sort of like alcohol - it lowers the barrier of inhibition for performing such activities due to feelings of anonymity, lack of repercussion, and some other weird social dynamics. There's no correlation between in-game and out of game delinquent behavior any more than there's a correlation between singing Ke$ha on your porch completely shitfaced versus stone cold sober. Sometimes, when there's certain conditions present, it happens. But that doesn't mean it always happens.
There is an old saying, Give a man money and/or power and they will become who they really are. In other words, take away the consequences of ones actions, and the person is more likely to do what they really want to do.
Given the lack of consequences in Eve, is it safe to say we are seeing is some people be who they really want to be? That if they had money and/or power in real life and less consequences for their actions as a result, some of these same people would be more likely to be rude/uncaring/dicks because they can get away with it?
( please note that I did say 'some people' and not 'all people' ) When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
36
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:21:00 -
[107] - Quote
Olleybear wrote:There is an old saying, Give a man money and/or power and they will become who they really are. In other words, take away the consequences of ones actions, and the person is more likely to do what they really want to do.
Given the lack of consequences in Eve, is it safe to say we are seeing is some people be who they really want to be? That if they had money and/or power in real life and less consequences for their actions as a result, some of these same people would be more likely to be rude/uncaring/dicks because they can get away with it?
( please note that I did say 'some people' and not 'all people' )
Well, potentially. It gets kind of hazy. I think it would be better to think of it as a spectrum, where everyone would behave in such a way if they could get away with it, but everyone is differentially sensitive to the repercussions of their actions.
Some people don't care if they hurt anyone and do what they want, when they want. Some people are completely paralyzed by the threat of repercussion, and would never act out as long as there was even the slightest chance of getting away with it. Everyone is somewhere on that spectrum, though.
When you take that real life spectrum and move it into a video game, though, that inhibition barrier gets a little lower, and some people who wouldn't do such things in real life do engage in them in the game.
In order to disprove that hypothesis you'd need to find an example of one person who is a huge **** in real life, but not in EvE. It would be interesting to see if such a person exists.
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Yuki 0nna
The White Rose Conventicle
45
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:29:00 -
[108] - Quote
Gahagan wrote:FeralShadow wrote:Is there any credibility to the idea that people who gank/scam/perform delinquint behavior in eve are more likely to express delinquent behavior in real life? There's no correlation between in-game and out of game delinquent behavior. Note that you do not address the question as FeralShadow actually puts it, in terms of the expression of delinquent behavior, which is quite interesting. You assume he means to ask with respect to engaging in delinquent behavior, and provide the trivially true answer that game players and gaming companies cheer (and readily subsidize).
More reasonable to conclude that the jury is still out on this issue overall, as psychologists, sociologists and social scientists in general, being psychologists, sociologists and social scientists, have almost always insisted on framing the issue the most ass-backward way possible, looking for a correlation between online "behavior," which is more ideation than action, and genuine action in the physical world. Not surprising that in this case, too, it is hard to find a correlation between what people say and what people do; e.g., America's many politician and media "Chicken Hawks" who advocate military adventurism but have never worn the uniform.
More to the point and more interesting to ask to what extent in-game "behavior" as an ideological expression correlates with generally held beliefs that find expression in other arenas of social, political, economic and personal life. Work in this area is really just starting, and too much, to date, has been conducted in terms of "artificial games" rather than the kind of immersive gaming that we all are engaged in. For a fun example of this artificiality, which arises primarily from social scientists aping physical scientists, see "Do Liberals Play Nice? The Effects of Party and Political Ideology in Public Goods and Trust Games" |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
36
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:32:00 -
[109] - Quote
So, a revised statement on video games and delinquent behavior.
There's actually a lot of literature that suggests violent video game playing and video game addiction has some pretty nasty repercussions. See (1), (2), and (3) for examples. However, those aren't unanimous findings, and there may be some benefit to the mental effects of high video game usage (4). This study (5) is pretty interesting, and relevant, because it does suggest some bidirectional causality between tendency to play video games and impulsiveness.
However, none of these studies, nor any others as far as I can tell, are actually looking at behavior WITHIN the game, which is what we'd want to know in order to address the question of whether people who are dicks in EvE are also dicks out of EvE.
So, instead of saying "I don't think so" instead I probably should have said "maybe"
References
(1) http://tinyurl.com/7u25y63 (2) http://tinyurl.com/7mmjbu7 (3) http://tinyurl.com/7lnabqk (4) http://tinyurl.com/7hgls7m (5) http://tinyurl.com/7vr5s5f |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
36
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:35:00 -
[110] - Quote
Yuki 0nna wrote:Gahagan wrote:FeralShadow wrote:Is there any credibility to the idea that people who gank/scam/perform delinquint behavior in eve are more likely to express delinquent behavior in real life? There's no correlation between in-game and out of game delinquent behavior. Note that you do not address the question as FeralShadow actually puts it, in terms of the expression of delinquent behavior, which is quite interesting. You assume he means to ask with respect to engaging in delinquent behavior, and provide the trivially true answer that game players and gaming companies cheer (and readily subsidize). More reasonable to conclude that the jury is still out on this issue overall, as psychologists, sociologists and social scientists in general, being psychologists, sociologists and social scientists, have almost always insisted on framing the issue the most ass-backward way possible, looking for a correlation between online "behavior," which is more ideation than action, and genuine action in the physical world. Not surprising that in this case, too, it is hard to find a correlation between what people say and what people do; e.g., America's many politician and media "Chicken Hawks" who advocate military adventurism but have never worn the uniform. More to the point and more interesting to ask to what extent in-game "behavior" as an ideological expression correlates with generally held beliefs that find expression in other arenas of social, political, economic and personal life. Work in this area is really just starting, and too much, to date, has been conducted in terms of "artificial games" rather than the kind of immersive gaming that we all are engaged in. For a fun example of this artificiality, which arises primarily from social scientists aping physical scientists, see " Do Liberals Play Nice? The Effects of Party and Political Ideology in Public Goods and Trust Games"
Exactly. That's what I realized, unfortunately, after I had already posted it. I'm extremely curious now to see if there's any studies that look at behavior external to a 'game' within a laboratory, such as in MMOs or FPS games. I'm not really too trusting of the external validity of lab games.
I'm going to keep poking around and see if I can find any. |
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Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:36:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Amarra Mandalin wrote:Ursula Thrace wrote:Jacob Stiller wrote:Look at me! I recently received an undergraduate degree so everyone should take me seriously as an expert in voodoology. ^ this also OP, i have a serious question. why do some people insist on inserting toilet paper into the holder so that it pulls from the bottom? are they clinically insane? No. No. No. This question is a waste of the good Sir's time. The real question is, why did this poster and myself pick the Red Team and not the Blue one? Subconsciously you probably feel that a red banner is a more powerful color then a blue one. Go ahead... deny it
Hey E.P. You are right, indeed. I think this is also why I picked PWNED Theory (+Elite) as my first PvP Corp (Its image) and RED Galaxy too. ;) Hope you are well... |
Yuki 0nna
The White Rose Conventicle
45
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:36:00 -
[112] - Quote
Doubtless would be interesting reading if I could log in !!! |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
36
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:38:00 -
[113] - Quote
Oh are the permalinks not working? I guess that's still local connections only.
If you want them, let me know. I can get them to you somehow. |
Yuki 0nna
The White Rose Conventicle
45
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:43:00 -
[114] - Quote
Gahagan wrote: Exactly. That's what I realized, unfortunately, after I had already posted it. I'm extremely curious now to see if there's any studies that look at behavior external to a 'game' within a laboratory, such as in MMOs or FPS games. I'm not really too trusting of the external validity of lab games.
I'm going to keep poking around and see if I can find any.
You might contact and ask this guy http://johncartermcknight.com/ Not the greatest fan of EVE, but he's a gamer himself and up on current game-related academic literature and studies as I am not. He's busy but friendly. Has done back & forth with EVE players on Twitter. |
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics Lawful Insanity
36
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:44:00 -
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I will do that. I've always wanted to get a real proficiency in the video game literature, but actual work that I'm actually being graded on has always gotten in the way. |
Yuki 0nna
The White Rose Conventicle
45
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:49:00 -
[116] - Quote
Gahagan wrote:I will do that. I've always wanted to get a real proficiency in the video game literature, but actual work that I'm actually being graded on has always gotten in the way.
Well, that's what grad school is for..... McKnight can tell you about those, too. Lots of interesting programs these days, shadowing what is a huge industry after all, none of which existed in my time. |
Macks Artilius
The Circus Corp Intrepid Crossing
62
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Posted - 2012.05.14 03:03:00 -
[117] - Quote
There's a lot of talk of "Sociopaths" in EVE so...
1. Would you say that the mechanics of EVE vs other online games would make it more appealing to sociopaths?
2. How can you "detect" a sociopath vs someone who is just a ****?
3. Why don't animals have wheels? |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
127
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Posted - 2012.05.14 04:11:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask. You don't know squat.
Also, why am I sexually attracted to female avatars?
Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.05.14 04:45:00 -
[119] - Quote
I was going to make fun of the OP for the whole Psych degree thing, but then I realized he could have gone with a lit degree, so his choices could have been poorer. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3756
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Posted - 2012.05.14 06:17:00 -
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Yuki 0nna wrote:You might contact and ask this guy http://johncartermcknight.com/Not the greatest fan of EVE, but he's a gamer himself and up on current game-related academic literature and studies as I am not. He's busy but friendly. Has done back & forth with EVE players on Twitter.
I wouldn't since after reading his EVE blog, he apparently straight up lives in making-up-**** opposite-world.
Richard Knight wrote:a belief that when you sit down at a computer (game), youGÇÖre entering another country - Yeah OK that's the basic point of an RPG. So far, so uncontentious.
Richard Knight wrote:that countryGÇÖs denizens have sole jurisdiction over what is or isnGÇÖt permissible behavior - Er, EVE goes further down that road than most but even then the most hardcore players have pretty definite ideas about permissible behaviour concerning real life threats, racism, etc.
Richard Knight wrote:that countryGÇÖs denizens can perform GÇ£extraordinary renditionGÇ¥ on anyone, any time, because their laws and customs are superior - Wait what? Where the hell did that come from? Now we're staight up making stuff up here. Do EVE players believe that kill-rights extend across national boundaries? Has Faction Warfare ever spilled across state lines? Yeah actually, no.
Unfortunately this guy, touting himself as a real internet psychologist, has made the same embarrassingly freshman error as all the "internet psychologists" who litter the gaming press and these forums, by confusing their incorrect facts with psychological insight that just so happens to support their prejudices. A smidgen of fact checking would have prevented this guy from smearing his reputation like a paranoid schizophrenic's ***** all over my screen.
But who ever does that? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
123
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:13:00 -
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Macks Artilius wrote:There's a lot of talk of "Sociopaths" in EVE so...
1. Would you say that the mechanics of EVE vs other online games would make it more appealing to sociopaths?
2. How can you "detect" a sociopath vs someone who is just a ****?
3. Why don't animals have wheels?
Being one, i'll give this one a go.
The mechanics of EVE are appealing to sociopaths in the sense that they're challenging. This particular sociopath (me) doesn't find scamming appealing, because ive been very attuned to other people's emotions, and mine as well, all my life. To a degree that most can't understand. Almost empathic. The process of manipulating someone is essentially too easy for someone like me and it's an activity avoided. On the reverse, gaining real trust is the challenge and it's an activity I enjoy in EVE. It doesn't imply I seek to get along with everyone, merely gain trust. Even if the trust is gained by living up precisely to my word in a negative way. If I tell you i'm going to wardec you and hunt you exclusively i'm very likely to do so, and probably on a level of tenacity that the average gamer wouldn't expect. And for a even longer duration than most would find sane.
One of the stronger draws to the mechanics of EVE is also the nature of the Dev Team. They don't change the rules on a month to month basis and that plays a huge part of it too.
Sociopaths tend to be intelligent and as such the act of complaining about a rule is somewhat beneath them. They'd assume keep the rule and find a way to overcome and achieve in spite of it, assuming its one they disagree with. A sociopathic miner is likely to become angry with a miner complaining about suicide ganks, as an example. There are nuances to that but if it has been proven doable then any rule to make what has been done already easier is likely to strike a nerve with them.
Way to identify a sociopath? That's a tough one because the core nature of a sociopath is manipulation of emotion. Both others and their own. Some to a severe degree. From a feigned facial expression, a tone of voice, a posture or even the words chosen in a statement. A carefully structured question. All thoughts the sociopath ponders under certain circumstances.
If upon talking to someone you are struck with a notion that the person knows you on a more intimate level than the typical person/stranger would, you are very likely dealing with a sociopath. That effect you feel is very careful manipulation of the conversation by the sociopath by things they have read from you. Your posture, your mood, your cultural background, your appearance, your activity (profession related or other), etcetera.
Keep in mind that there isn't always a negative or harmful intent. The sociopath may very well want you to like them because they like you. And as the achievers they strive to be they find manipulating the situation for a desirable outcome to be honorable where parts of society may not.
There is a distinct possibility that somewhere in our universe an "animal" has developed something similiar to a wheel, as a bird developed a wing, as a means for survival and travel. Perhaps closer to a snail or snakes form of movement around a gellatenous membrane of some type. Like a mousewheel. |
Iamien
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
147
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:27:00 -
[122] - Quote
Why does this game attract so few female players in comparison to other mmos? |
Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:41:00 -
[123] - Quote
Why do some people feel bad about ruining another human being's day and others relish it. Does this say something about their inate character? When someone can be anything they want and they choose to be a villian without regard to the effects of their choice on other human beings, or in some cases because of the effect on other human beings, is this role-playing or is this saying something about who they are in reality? |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
688
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:51:00 -
[124] - Quote
After answering my questions i can see that you did study psychology and not pop psychology (which every real psychologist hates with a passion)
Quote: It's entirely possible I'm wrong. I don't do correlations much - our lab does more on the experimental manipulation side, so our tool of choice is usually the linear regression model.
This was a trick question as Pearsons and Spearmans are used for either parametric or non parametric datat and even though you did pick the wrong one you do have an understanding of exactly what they are used for.
One more thing linear regression models are just correlations inversed. unless you are using multivariate regression. But you can still use non parametric data in a parametric model such as likert scales. If you get significant results it shows the power of the data you are analysing.
This guy. Half the people on the internet claim to be either a Sociopath or an Aspie. Its almost always self diagnosed.. And thats without the help of the ICD-3 or the DCM-IV. This always make me laugh whenever people claim to be this. Extra note they always claim to have a superior IQ.
Quote: This must be an example of trying to make that expert guy look stupid?
I was just trying to work out if you were a psychologist or a pop psychologist.
Lastly.
The Phd you propose is interesting but it would be hard to gather data and it does not sound like there is enough meat there to sustain a Phd. If you really want something better with more meat you could always try addiction and computer games and include data in from this game.
The hypothesis would run along the lines of "all MMOs are gambling" look at Skinners operant conditioning and randomised reward over effort. its exactly the same rewards as gambling and makes up the general gameplay of games like Diable and WOW. If you look at this game the hypothesis would suggest that the most addictive pve activity is Plexing and i know several players who do nothing else. If you want to discuss it then let me know if you are interested as it would probably be a defining PHd and the first of its kind for MMOs.
I would do it myself but ive decided to throw my life away on waste it on nothing and i have so much potential... well let me know anyway. I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Bucky O'Hair
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
49
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:55:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:MeestaPenni wrote:Gahagan wrote:If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask. Why can't my wife get it through her thick skull that the jelly goes on the peanut butter; not the other piece of bread? Because it's been demonstrated scientifically that the female gender has large deficiencies in kinesthetic sense perceptions. tl;dr - because bitches be trippin'
ROFLMAO
You sir, just won!
We Are Ushra'Khan!
We are coming for our people. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
32
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:59:00 -
[126] - Quote
EvE Fanfest 2011: Nice People, Nasty Players
Some people don't get that EvE is just a video game. Chill out and have fun. If you can't stand the fact that someone has a power to interfere with "our" game, you shouldn't play sandbox MMO's. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
123
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:01:00 -
[127] - Quote
Zyress wrote:Why do some people feel bad about ruining another human being's day and others relish it. Does this say something about their inate character? When someone can be anything they want and they choose to be a villian without regard to the effects of their choice on other human beings, or in some cases because of the effect on other human beings, is this role-playing or is this saying something about who they are in reality?
In EVE, asking that question is similiar to asking why do the best poker players feel unashamed in bluffing and essentially stealing someone elses money when playing the game.
What your real question, or maybe should be, is "why did the devs not create a game that forces societies moral structure on the playerbase so I can feel sheltered and comfortable?" And the answer is because they didn't want to. They wanted to be different than almost every mmo currently on the market.
And at its core that principle, the willingness to leave societal constructs as they are in real life outside of their world and to allow the universe to be as unhindered as possible creates a visceral and very alluring atmosphere.
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
688
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:09:00 -
[128] - Quote
Quote:Being one, i'll give this one a go.
The mechanics of EVE are appealing to sociopaths in the sense that they're challenging. This particular sociopath (me) doesn't find scamming appealing, because ive been very attuned to other people's emotions, and mine as well, all my life. To a degree that most can't understand. Almost empathic. The process of manipulating someone is essentially too easy for someone like me and it's an activity avoided. On the reverse, gaining real trust is the challenge and it's an activity I enjoy in EVE. It doesn't imply I seek to get along with everyone, merely gain trust. Even if the trust is gained by living up precisely to my word in a negative way. If I tell you i'm going to wardec you and hunt you exclusively i'm very likely to do so, and probably on a level of tenacity that the average gamer wouldn't expect. And for a even longer duration than most would find sane.
One of the stronger draws to the mechanics of EVE is also the nature of the Dev Team. They don't change the rules on a month to month basis and that plays a huge part of it too.
Sociopaths tend to be intelligent and as such the act of complaining about a rule is somewhat beneath them. They'd assume keep the rule and find a way to overcome and achieve in spite of it, assuming its one they disagree with. A sociopathic miner is likely to become angry with a miner complaining about suicide ganks, as an example. There are nuances to that but if it has been proven doable then any rule to make what has been done already easier is likely to strike a nerve with them.
Ways to identify a sociopath? That's a tough one because the core nature of a sociopath is manipulation of emotion. Both others and their own. Some to a severe degree. From a feigned facial expression, a tone of voice, a posture or even the words chosen in a statement. A carefully structured question. All thoughts the sociopath ponders under certain circumstances.
If upon talking to someone you are struck with a notion that the person knows you on a more intimate level than the typical person/stranger would, you are very likely dealing with a sociopath. That effect you feel is very careful manipulation of the conversation by the sociopath by things they have read from you. Your posture, your mood, your cultural background, your appearance, your activity (profession related or other), etcetera.
Keep in mind that there isn't always a negative or harmful intent. The sociopath may very well want you to like them because they like you. And as the achievers they strive to be they find manipulating the situation for a desirable outcome to be honorable where parts of society may not.
There is a distinct possibility that somewhere in our universe an "animal" has developed something similiar to a wheel, as a bird developed a wing, as a means for survival and travel. Perhaps closer to a snail or snakes form of movement around a gelatinous membrane of some type. Like a mousewheel.
This is just precious. a few things
1. the wheel question was a trick question as its impossible. You need seperate moving parts you overly intelligent Psychopath.
2. Ive done a lot of human brain mapping using Multiphasic resonance imaging and diagnosed sociopaths have damage to their developentally damaged amygdala. Not the cool answers to an online test.
3. A sociopath would not play Eve as one of their biggest problems is that they look for instant gratification as certain sections of their brain never matured .
4. one of the reasons that Sociopaths never look at the consequences of their actions is due to them not worrying about consequences to their actions or only worrying very close to the punishment time. Just like a child would with there underdeveloped brain.
Conclusion. why dont you tell everyone you are an Aspie as well. You are not a sociopath and it does not make you more interesting. just another person who has to work hard to be noticed I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:12:00 -
[129] - Quote
88% of the people on Earth believe in "God" - of course you'll find people in EVE that are, if anything, delusional and short a few cards for a full deck. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
123
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:35:00 -
[130] - Quote
Yawn. |
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
688
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:39:00 -
[131] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Yawn.
Thought about an answer, had nothing and edited it to nothing I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
123
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:41:00 -
[132] - Quote
[quote=Karn Dulake]Quote: This is just precious. a few things
1. the wheel question was a trick question as its impossible. You need seperate moving parts you overly intelligent Psychopath.
2. Ive done a lot of human brain mapping using Multiphasic resonance imaging and diagnosed sociopaths have damage to their developentally damaged amygdala. Not the cool answers to an online test.
3. A sociopath would not play Eve as one of their biggest problems is that they look for instant gratification as certain sections of their brain never matured .
4. one of the reasons that Sociopaths never look at the consequences of their actions is due to them not worrying about consequences to their actions or only worrying very close to the punishment time. Just like a child would with there underdeveloped brain.
Conclusion. why dont you tell everyone you are an Aspie as well. You are not a sociopath and it does not make you more interesting. just another person who has to work hard to be noticed
snicker
Aside from your woefully juvenile 4 point thesis on the human psyche your killboard shows mediocrity and subpar intellect as well. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
688
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:44:00 -
[133] - Quote
lols you tard ive posted that several times on the forum myself.
No Sociopath here. instead why dont you give me a better reason why you are a Sociopath and how you were diagnosed I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
123
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:46:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:lols you tard ive posted that several times on the forum myself.
No Sociopath here. instead why dont you give me a better reason why you are a Sociopath and how you were diagnosed
Oh im sorry Mr Cocky did the posting of your joke of a killboard from supposedly such a intelligent and well schooled individual blindside you?
Im not going to give you anything, who the hell are you? You certainly aren't a threat in game as the evidence shows you a braindead dullard. And from that I know you aren't a board certified psychologist either. Basically what you projected on me, the seeking of attention are the qualities you demonstrate. |
Ituhata Saken
Crimson Cross Destroyers
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:49:00 -
[135] - Quote
If one is sexually excited by the thought of **** and murder, but is overly empathic when such actions occur in the real world, what are their chances of becoming a serial killer, and what are their odds of becoming a miner versus a pirate? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3760
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:13:00 -
[136] - Quote
Iamien wrote:Why does this game attract so few female players in comparison to other mmos?
Women get to do to each other in real life what we are only allowed to do via a game. Why bother with EVE? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
59
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:25:00 -
[137] - Quote
Do you think the appearance of a player's portrait...be it fearsome...sexy...creepy...noble...bizarre or plain... have any impact on how other players subconsciously perceive that player? On that vein, do you think the gender of the character has any impact, even though it is widely known that it is not tied to the player's real gender. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |
Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:28:00 -
[138] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:lols you tard ive posted that several times on the forum myself.
No Sociopath here. instead why dont you give me a better reason why you are a Sociopath and how you were diagnosed Oh im sorry Mr Cocky did the posting of your joke of a killboard from supposedly such an intelligent and well schooled individual blindside you?
What could a killboard possibly say about relative intelligence and schooling? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3760
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:32:00 -
[139] - Quote
Pinstar Colton wrote:Do you think the appearance of a player's portrait...be it fearsome...sexy...creepy...noble...bizarre or plain... have any impact on how other players subconsciously perceive that player? On that vein, do you think the gender of the character has any impact, even though it is widely known that it is not tied to the player's real gender.
I'm going to go right ahead and say that your eve portrait inclines me to think that the bones of at least 3 children are buried in your back yard.
EDIT: Yeah and some dogs and stuff too. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
95
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:35:00 -
[140] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:You certainly aren't a threat in game as the evidence shows you a braindead dullard. .
Yes, because we all know that being terrible at one thing makes you terrible at everything and comparative to that of a vegetable.
I'm no psych, but it looks like you just got called out on chattin ****. Now you're clutching at straws to discredit him which only serves to point out just how wrong you are. The statement "I'm a sociopath" just reeks of "LOOK AT ME!" |
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Nefertiri Ra'apharo
Mabad Ilhba Alasw'd
3
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:41:00 -
[141] - Quote
Gahagan wrote: In reality, though, people are naturally aggressive, some to greater degrees than others. Engaging in PvP, or just ganking, is likely a cathartic release of that aggression, like sports or exercise might be to other people...
And how many years at how much $ per year did it take for you to be able to write that profound revelation?
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1134
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:58:00 -
[142] - Quote
Aruken Marr wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:You certainly aren't a threat in game as the evidence shows you a braindead dullard. . Yes, because we all know that being terrible at one thing makes you terrible at everything and comparative to that of a vegetable. I'm no psych, but it looks like you just got called out on chattin ****. Now you're clutching at straws to discredit him which only serves to point out just how wrong you are. The statement "I'm a sociopath" just reeks of "LOOK AT ME!" This. Also, Caliph, it seems to me that your mental faculties are severely diminished. I'd get a psychologist to look at that. Now if only I knew where to find them on Eve... |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:37:00 -
[143] - Quote
Gahagan wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:Believe me, if you touted your qualifications to me in person I'd hold your feet to the fire. Oh, if you'd like some ingame English useage tutorials, I only charge 100 million ISK per half hour. I'm not claiming superiority of my qualifications. I'm claiming competence. You seem very eager to demonstrate your own real-life qualifications though. Is it because you take pride in them, or because you doubt their usefulness and want to affirm them?
Those were the only two possibilities you could think of, or does your line of logic run in pairs? Do you find yourself counting symptoms in groups of three?
If you understand your science, then you should be aware a BS qualifies you to pursue a masters (which then opens the possibility of achieving a doctorate.) That's the only competence it signifies. However, here you are making your assertions. That speaks for itself. Resting on ones laurels isn't quite the same as letting ones laurels rest. (Of course, it would do to begin by achieving said laurels.)
Seeking affirmation of ones abilities from those who aren't qualified to comprehend them would be foolhardy, no? However, taking pride in ones accomplishments, among some disciplines, is willfully fettering oneself. Here. Allow me to toss a third possibility in the mix. (You may have considered this, but cast it off as not being likely.) There are some people who have a low tolerance for obscuring the truth. If you don't like that one then try - making inflated assertions.
As for your declaration that "most" of the posts with regard to ASPD on the forum are incorrect, I do take issue with that. That you felt it necessary to say (and by so doing asserting your own unique qualifications), that speaks volumes. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
865
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:07:00 -
[144] - Quote
I read the title as "Ask a Proctologist about EVE." Entered thread expecting to figure out why highsec miners have their heads shoved so far up their own asses, and what treatment options are available for the poor unfortunate souls.
Left disappointed. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
96
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:31:00 -
[145] - Quote
Pok Nibin wrote:If you understand your science, then you should be aware a BS qualifies you to pursue a masters... That's the only competence it signifies.
Confirming I know nothing about chemistry except that soon I'll be allowed to take a masters in it... |
Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:50:00 -
[146] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Zyress wrote:Why do some people feel bad about ruining another human being's day and others relish it. Does this say something about their inate character? When someone can be anything they want and they choose to be a villian without regard to the effects of their choice on other human beings, or in some cases because of the effect on other human beings, is this role-playing or is this saying something about who they are in reality? What your real question, or maybe should be, is "why did the devs not create a game that forces societies moral structure on the playerbase so I can feel sheltered and comfortable?" And the answer is because they didn't want to. They wanted to be unlike almost every mmo currently on the market.
No I was really asking if some people can turn off any moral compass they may have or do they not actually have one to begin with, just a healthy regard for consequences that keeps them in line in their real life but they can ignore in a virtual environment. Safety isn't something I look for in eve, or any other mmo I play really. I just don't prey on people who don't want to fight. People in Nullsec, losec or legitimate war targets only. I realize without D1c&s in the game, it would be less interesting, I'm just trying to understand them. I mean do they not get that cold empty feeling inside when they know they've screwed someone over? And if they don't is it some lesson they missed growing up or is it in their genes. Nature or nurture? |
Master Gotama
Black Sky Hipsters
4
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:02:00 -
[147] - Quote
Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.
how does 4+ years of bong hits and keg stands qualify you to inform anyone of anything? |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
450
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:27:00 -
[148] - Quote
Aruken Marr wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:If you understand your science, then you should be aware a BS qualifies you to pursue a masters... That's the only competence it signifies. Confirming I know nothing about chemistry except that soon I'll be allowed to take a masters in it... But, when you finally get that doctorate, I for one will stand in awe of you. Well done...so far. Impressive. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
96
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:46:00 -
[149] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:If you understand your science, then you should be aware a BS qualifies you to pursue a masters... That's the only competence it signifies. Confirming I know nothing about chemistry except that soon I'll be allowed to take a masters in it... But, when you finally get that doctorate, I for one will stand in awe of you. Well done...so far. Impressive.
Thank you, but its kind of funny. A Phd really isnt necessary besides acquiring a larger pay check or if I wanted to work in academia. An MSc or even a BSc can work just as well in industry to be honest, MSc just makes it easier to fine a job lol. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:48:00 -
[150] - Quote
The Pretension hits EXPLOSIVE Levels........................... Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
96
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:46:00 -
[151] - Quote
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:The Pretension hits EXPLOSIVE Levels...........................
Not my fault you're stupid...
... that was a joke. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
123
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Posted - 2012.05.15 00:12:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:This guy. Half the people on the internet claim to be either a Sociopath or an Aspie. Its almost always self diagnosed.. And thats without the help of the ICD-3 or the DCM-IV. This always make me laugh whenever people claim to be this. Extra note they always claim to have a superior IQ.
This guy. Half the people in EVE claim to have a Masters and Bachelors but take two+ billion isk ships out in the middle of a war in a 0.7 system and get their rectal cavity pushed in. Too stupid for a scout? Concentration and thought process meager and subpar? Or did you really mean to trash your corps killboard like that?
And with those qualities you have a job.... diagnosing the human psyche. Well if anything you prove that degrees are at their core bought and paid for. Because when I contemplate a mistake like that it comes off as having the attention span of a pissant and the intellect to match. Lemme guess you play casually but you take forum posting real serious. What a fraud.
Wiki 4 the win. Party on, dude. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
123
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Posted - 2012.05.15 00:31:00 -
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Zyress wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:lols you tard ive posted that several times on the forum myself.
No Sociopath here. instead why dont you give me a better reason why you are a Sociopath and how you were diagnosed Oh im sorry Mr Cocky did the posting of your joke of a killboard from supposedly such an intelligent and well schooled individual blindside you? What could a killboard possibly say about relative intelligence and schooling?
To me it shows alot about intelligence, not necessarily schooling. But to hear him talk he's IVY league baby. |
Altaserra
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.15 15:23:00 -
[154] - Quote
Can't help but wonder if this thread is part of some sort of research that the OP is conducting..
If so, he has caught a decent amount of data in his net, though I'm not entirely sure how useful it may be.
Or, there could be an altruistic angle.
Anyway, back to the popcorn |
Maraluk
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.15 15:46:00 -
[155] - Quote
To be perfectly honest, psychologists dont know anything about why and how people behave that you couldnt guess for yourself. Its not exactly complex. There's absolutely nothing that you cant guess a decent answer to yourself. Backing it up by watching 50 people do it doesnt make it more impressive...
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ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
108
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Posted - 2012.05.15 15:58:00 -
[156] - Quote
i like this thread - Nulla Curas |
Khergit Deserters
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:30:00 -
[157] - Quote
Morganta wrote:simple answer is
"the greater internet ****wad theory"
Normal person + anonymity + audience = Total ****wad I regret that I have but one Like to give to this post. |
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
6
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:20:00 -
[158] - Quote
So you have a BS in Pyschology?
Make mine a large meal, please.
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
60
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:48:00 -
[159] - Quote
Gahagan wrote:[quote=NickyYo]
I'm going to grad school for pharmacy, with the idea of working in R&D and clinical drug tests for pharmaceutical companies. I don't think that'll work out half-bad. Clinical Publisher here.
Yes, that should work fairly well. You're unlike to get stinking wealthy, but you'll have a good chance to pay-off your student loans before your kids graduate highschool.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
60
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:52:00 -
[160] - Quote
Vulix wrote:Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask. Only a bachelors? Lol. -A PhD Candidate T'ch. Unless you're win-the-lottery lucky, PhD means 30% cut in lifetime earnings: You'll be pigeon-holed.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
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Pod Potato
Gluttonous Hungers Inc.
141
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Posted - 2012.05.15 20:46:00 -
[161] - Quote
I have a question...
Why do I have this inappropriate forum signature? Much like a pepper I enjoy inflicting pain on others... preferably in the mouth and anus. |
FeralShadow
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.05.16 02:40:00 -
[162] - Quote
Well, I'm glad to have sparked some interest in the subject, as I've wondered it myself many times. If you do find something, I will be very excited to read it. "I do believe in karma. -áThat means that whenever I do something sh**y to others, they somehow deserved it." |
bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.16 05:09:00 -
[163] - Quote
Only response this thread needs,
This game is played by humans.
Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life.
Anticipating these human traits help immensely, both in the real world or video games.
As for out of game, my mentality is for me to know and others to assume.
But the human element is the reason I play this game, no greater game than hunting humans err human persona's. |
Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.05.16 05:43:00 -
[164] - Quote
bongsmoke wrote:Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life. Obviously, this guy knows what he is talking about. Why are we called homo sapiens anyway we should be homo peccunia.
It's a little known fact but hominids have hands to pick up all the money. You see money actually grew on trees back in the day and our ancestors would pick that up asap. We drove them to extinction from picking up all the money and that is why it doesn't grow on trees anymore. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
61
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:07:00 -
[165] - Quote
bongsmoke wrote: Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life.
Actually, it's reproduction that drives us, I think. Sex. All else is a means to get sex, or a substitute thereof.
And since many of us aren't getting laid whilst we play, we can be a downright cranky bunch.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
78
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:15:00 -
[166] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:bongsmoke wrote: Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life.
Actually, it's reproduction that drives us, I think. Sex. All else is a means to get sex, or a substitute thereof. And since many of us aren't getting laid whilst we play, we can be a downright cranky bunch.
Actually according to Maslow's hierarchy of needs the first level of the pyramid is Physiological needs Air, water, and food are metabolic requirements for survival in all animals, including humans. Clothing and shelter provide necessary protection from the elements. The intensity of the human sexual instinct is shaped more by sexual competition than maintaining a birth rate adequate to survival of the species. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
61
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Posted - 2012.05.16 18:40:00 -
[167] - Quote
Zyress wrote:silens vesica wrote:bongsmoke wrote: Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life.
Actually, it's reproduction that drives us, I think. Sex. All else is a means to get sex, or a substitute thereof. And since many of us aren't getting laid whilst we play, we can be a downright cranky bunch. Actually according to Maslow's hierarchy of needs the first level of the pyramid is Physiological needs Air, water, and food are metabolic requirements for survival in all animals, including humans. Clothing and shelter provide necessary protection from the elements. The intensity of the human sexual instinct is shaped more by sexual competition than maintaining a birth rate adequate to survival of the species. And yes I wiki'd that I knew about Maslow but couldn't have told you anything about it but that shelter and food are the two first needs in it. Maslow was also a slave to selfish DNA. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
459
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Posted - 2012.05.17 02:14:00 -
[168] - Quote
Maslow is an idiot. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
1082
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Posted - 2012.05.17 02:53:00 -
[169] - Quote
Ursula Thrace wrote:Jacob Stiller wrote:Look at me! I recently received an undergraduate degree so everyone should take me seriously as an expert in voodoology. ^ this also OP, i have a serious question. why do some people insist on inserting toilet paper into the holder so that it pulls from the bottom? are they clinically insane?
I've actually found a functional reason for this and it was so simple it blew me a way.
Putting it on backwards prevents animals (namely the stir crazy pets left home alone for too long), people,and other things from unrolling it if something happens to pull it downwards. When put on backwards the downward motion to the wall just makes the end spin :P
Applies to horizontal paper towel holders too. The Drake is a Lie |
Ares Renton
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
41
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Posted - 2012.05.17 04:40:00 -
[170] - Quote
Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.
Dear sir,
Psychology sucks go smoke a big black cigar lol.
-Sincerely Tom Cruise |
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Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
78
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Posted - 2012.05.17 13:16:00 -
[171] - Quote
Xercodo wrote:Ursula Thrace wrote:Jacob Stiller wrote:Look at me! I recently received an undergraduate degree so everyone should take me seriously as an expert in voodoology. ^ this also OP, i have a serious question. why do some people insist on inserting toilet paper into the holder so that it pulls from the bottom? are they clinically insane? I've actually found a functional reason for this and it was so simple it blew me a way. Putting it on backwards prevents animals (namely the stir crazy pets left home alone for too long), people,and other things from unrolling it if something happens to pull it downwards. When put on backwards the downward motion to the wall just makes the end spin :P Applies to horizontal paper towel holders too.
ingenius |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1510
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Posted - 2012.05.17 15:03:00 -
[172] - Quote
I'm curious how some people justify their own duality in the game and on the forums. For example, those who want to opt out of combat PVP so that they can freely engage in market PVP, which relies on the rest of the community not being able to opt out of the market. Or those who say that "real Eve play is in _______" and insist everyone should be playing the game their way, but when others suggest changes they don't like their response is "LET ME PLAY EVE MY WAY!" These people seem completely hypocritical and I'd really like to understand how it is they make the two conflicting ideas mesh in a way that doesn't cause their brains to explode. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1510
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Posted - 2012.05.17 15:21:00 -
[173] - Quote
bongsmoke wrote:Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life. I prefer to phrase it this way: humans are innately selfish. It's in our nature to see to preservation of our genes, and that sometimes involves doing harm or allowing harm to others. Yes we do have altruistic behavior and self-sacrifice, but as social animals sometimes it's surprisingly productive--as genes are concerned--for some of the group to sacrifice for the rest. My point is that truly selfless acts are remarkably rare; most are based on the preservation of social order, which is beneficial to the individual and/or those they have a vested interest in looking after.
The more complex our social order becomes, the more apparent those selfish traits become. It's gone from ensuring that your self/family/group are secure at the expense of others to the mindless acquisition of money/power/whatever at the expense of others. Take that into the virtual world of gaming and you get an environment where people can be completely selfish without an connection or empathy for the person on the other side of the game, knowing that their actions can't do tangible harm.
Note: I understand that some people will harm themselves and others over video games. I'm not suggesting that our online actions are consequence-free, I'm simply saying that *I* can't blow up your internet spaceship in such a way that your children can't eat. If my actions result in your buying plex to replace your losses and THAT results in your children not eating, then the problem is your addiction, not my being a mean virtual person. It's the real-life selfishness of the other guy that results in problems, not the actions of anyone in the game. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.17 15:21:00 -
[174] - Quote
Gahagan wrote:I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology. Still doesn't qualify you to be an expert or psychologist. Come back when you get your doctorate's and master's. |
bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.05.17 15:43:00 -
[175] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:bongsmoke wrote: Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life.
Actually, it's reproduction that drives us, I think. Sex. All else is a means to get sex, or a substitute thereof. And since many of us aren't getting laid whilst we play, we can be a downright cranky bunch.
So how many missions, or scams in EvE does it take to get laid if its our driving force? |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
424
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:04:00 -
[176] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote: but take two+ billion isk ships out in the middle of a war in a 0.7 system and get their rectal cavity pushed in. Too stupid for a scout? Concentration and thought process meager and subpar? Or did you really mean to trash your corps killboard like that?
And with those qualities you have a job.... diagnosing the human psyche. Well if anything you prove that degrees are at their core bought and paid for. Because when I contemplate a mistake like that it comes off as having the attention span of a pissant and the intellect to match. Lemme guess you play casually but you take forum posting real serious. What a fraud.
You take your internet spaceships way too seriously. How about I give a couple other motivations?
"I don't give a ****, lets do this... 'LEEEEEROYYY JENNNNNKINSSSSS'!" or
"I've had this bloody ship for a year... BANZAAAAAAAAAAAAAI!" or one of my favorite quotes from a corpie:
"so if having fun means losing some ships, set the ******* on FIRE with gasoline and Tibetan monks strapped to them Reaver style"...
I play the game for fun. A lot of people (note: not *all*) who use killboards for e-peen extension therapy aren't fun to fly with. You don't sound like you would be fun to fly with because you present yourself as being too wrapped up in your efficiency %, instead of the fun %. I could be entirely wrong, but that's how you present yourself.
/popcorn
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
460
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Posted - 2012.05.17 17:17:00 -
[177] - Quote
Then, there are those who contend it is the ability for human intelligence to overcome the primal call of the DNA by employing free will and critical thinking. "My genes made me do it," isn't an excuse that will fly in a court of law. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
64
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Posted - 2012.05.17 23:39:00 -
[178] - Quote
bongsmoke wrote:silens vesica wrote:bongsmoke wrote: Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life.
Actually, it's reproduction that drives us, I think. Sex. All else is a means to get sex, or a substitute thereof. And since many of us aren't getting laid whilst we play, we can be a downright cranky bunch. So how many missions, or scams in EvE does it take to get laid if its our driving force? Or substitute thereof. ;)
The power rush of 'winning' will serve, for some folks. In my specific case, however, along about 2am my wife will offer many inducements to come to bed, as she hates to sleep alone. :) Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.05.17 23:47:00 -
[179] - Quote
Karadion Kohlar wrote:Gahagan wrote:I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology. Still doesn't qualify you to be an expert or psychologist. Come back when you get your doctorate's and master's.
Greater knowledge for sure with master/doc.
I've got a question thou: how much related education is to intelligence?
i know some guy with no certificate/diploma who passed a QI test because of it's girl friend and after 5 different tests by different experts, this guy is above 190.
How much inferior this guy can be?
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.05.17 23:56:00 -
[180] - Quote
ooh ooh ooh! Diagnose me!!
Better yet, is Mittens a narcissist?
Or a sociopath? Or a socialist?
Or just a social guy?
He's definately social, and the game DOES seem to revolve around him... If thats the case, maybe he's not a narcissist but in reality a Star http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1494
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Posted - 2012.05.18 05:59:00 -
[181] - Quote
Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.
Can you please tell my why I keep having this dream where I'm wearing a toga and thousands of women are throwing little pickles at me?
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
127
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:16:00 -
[182] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: but take two+ billion isk ships out in the middle of a war in a 0.7 system and get their rectal cavity pushed in. Too stupid for a scout? Concentration and thought process meager and subpar? Or did you really mean to trash your corps killboard like that?
And with those qualities you have a job.... diagnosing the human psyche. Well if anything you prove that degrees are at their core bought and paid for. Because when I contemplate a mistake like that it comes off as having the attention span of a pissant and the intellect to match. Lemme guess you play casually but you take forum posting real serious. What a fraud.
You take your internet spaceships way too seriously. How about I give a couple other motivations? "I don't give a ****, lets do this... 'LEEEEEROYYY JENNNNNKINSSSSS'!" or "I've had this bloody ship for a year... BANZAAAAAAAAAAAAAI!" or one of my favorite quotes from a corpie: "so if having fun means losing some ships, set the ******* on FIRE with gasoline and Tibetan monks strapped to them Reaver style"... I play the game for fun. A lot of people (note: not *all*) who use killboards for e-peen extension therapy aren't fun to fly with. You don't sound like you would be fun to fly with because you present yourself as being too wrapped up in your efficiency %, instead of the fun %. I could be entirely wrong, but that's how you present yourself. /popcorn
If having someone at your side to fly with who will always use their intelligence to make the best choice possible, reduce the risk to self and team and strive for excellence is boring then you're right. I'm probably a dull co pilot.
If losing hundreds of dollars worth of ships regularly is fun to you might I suggest mining? From the forum cry miners seem to have a blast.
Internet Spaceships is serious business, and don't you forget it. EVE is real. |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2012.05.18 10:10:00 -
[183] - Quote
Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames
RECORD SCRATCH
AAAAH HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAA
GET OUT.
Edit: NO SRSLY, GET OUT. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
knulla
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.05.18 10:25:00 -
[184] - Quote
Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.
"Becoming a psychiatrist requires many years of schooling, especially at the graduate level. Individuals must first attend an undergraduate program, where they may choose to major in psychology or a related subject. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the minimum requirement for medical school is three years of undergraduate study, although most medical students have earned a bachelor's degree (www.bls.gov).
Students must next complete medical school, which typically lasts four years. The first two years are the pre-clinical years that cover major systems of the body and diseases and introduce students to the practice of medicine. The final two years, known as the clinical years, place students in healthcare facilities performing clinical rotations (sometimes known as clerkships) under the supervision of licensed medical professionals. Psychiatry is a required rotation.
After completing medical school, individuals enter a residency program in psychiatry. These programs include intensive work experience in the major specialties and techniques used in psychiatry. In the first year, residents learn essential skills, such as interviewing, treating and diagnosing. As residents advance through a program, they develop advanced skills and are given increased responsibility.
Psychiatrists who wish to specialize in a particular treatment or population will need to undergo a fellowship. Fellowship programs typically last 1-2 years. During a fellowship, individuals practice techniques geared toward their specialty while performing research and attending seminars. Some examples of psychiatry fellowship programs include geriatrics, child and adolescent psychiatry and psychosomatic medicine."
Impressive! so...
Oh wait, you were a psychologist?
Never mind. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.05.18 15:34:00 -
[185] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:ooh ooh ooh! Diagnose me!!
Better yet, is Mittens a narcissist?
Or a sociopath? Or a socialist?
Or just a social guy?
He's definately social, and the game DOES seem to revolve around him... If thats the case, maybe he's not a narcissist but in reality a Star
Oh cmon
I HAD to post here
Required by the union you see http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Zimmy Zeta
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
1023
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Posted - 2012.05.18 16:09:00 -
[186] - Quote
Nice to hear that there are apparently quite a lot of psychologists /neuroscientists /psychiatrists playing eve. I always had the impression that about one third of eve players were employed by the military, the other third had IT jobs and the last third were professional slackers. I work in a field where the vast majority of my clients happens to have antisocial personality disorder, and a large part of those guys also play video games regularily. None of them plays eve, though- unlike what people keep whining here, I don't think that eve actually caters to antisocial people. These guys usually act on impulse, are rather impatient and want instant gratification in a game- eve requires too much ahead-planning and social interaction for them to be successful. Right now, most of my "little black sheep" are playing diablo III- take that as you will. -.- |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.05.18 16:30:00 -
[187] - Quote
I've got a BS degree in Intarwebs Psychology, too... Can I take part? |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
64
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Posted - 2012.05.18 17:04:00 -
[188] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote: I always had the impression that about one third of eve players were employed by the military, the other third had IT jobs and the last third were professional slackers. And some of us are, or have been, all three. Sometimes all three at the same time.
Nice work, when you can get it.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
145
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Posted - 2012.05.18 17:18:00 -
[189] - Quote
knulla wrote:Gahagan wrote:Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.
There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask. "Becoming a psychiatrist requires many years of schooling, especially at the graduate level. Individuals must first attend an undergraduate program, where they may choose to major in psychology or a related subject. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the minimum requirement for medical school is three years of undergraduate study, although most medical students have earned a bachelor's degree (www.bls.gov).
Students must next complete medical school, which typically lasts four years. The first two years are the pre-clinical years that cover major systems of the body and diseases and introduce students to the practice of medicine. The final two years, known as the clinical years, place students in healthcare facilities performing clinical rotations (sometimes known as clerkships) under the supervision of licensed medical professionals. Psychiatry is a required rotation.
After completing medical school, individuals enter a residency program in psychiatry. These programs include intensive work experience in the major specialties and techniques used in psychiatry. In the first year, residents learn essential skills, such as interviewing, treating and diagnosing. As residents advance through a program, they develop advanced skills and are given increased responsibility.
Psychiatrists who wish to specialize in a particular treatment or population will need to undergo a fellowship. Fellowship programs typically last 1-2 years. During a fellowship, individuals practice techniques geared toward their specialty while performing research and attending seminars. Some examples of psychiatry fellowship programs include geriatrics, child and adolescent psychiatry and psychosomatic medicine."
Impressive! so... Oh wait, you were a psychologist? Never mind. Don't confuse him with the facts. His mind is made up. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
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