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Alexis Fontaine
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Posted - 2004.09.10 14:23:00 -
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Is there no honourable person left in eve?
I build IntyÆs quite often and sell them for decent prices considering I have to go round get the components and bpcs for them....
IÆm sick to death of people buying them and jacking the price up and chuckin them back on the market or on escrowàthis is one builder whoÆs never ever going to build any more intyÆs at all except for friends.
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Alexis Fontaine
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Posted - 2004.09.10 14:23:00 -
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Is there no honourable person left in eve?
I build IntyÆs quite often and sell them for decent prices considering I have to go round get the components and bpcs for them....
IÆm sick to death of people buying them and jacking the price up and chuckin them back on the market or on escrowàthis is one builder whoÆs never ever going to build any more intyÆs at all except for friends.
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Barth3zzzNL
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Posted - 2004.09.10 16:11:00 -
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Whine...You make money by building them. Other people make money by buying crap and selling it for a higher price...
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Barth3zzzNL
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Posted - 2004.09.10 16:11:00 -
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Whine...You make money by building them. Other people make money by buying crap and selling it for a higher price...
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Shamad Conde
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Posted - 2004.09.10 16:32:00 -
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Increase the price of your products to resolve the problem. If the demand is high, I am surprised that you have not figured out that it would be happening this way. What do you think people like NAGA corp are suffering from. Same thing.
People praise their prices, buy their products and then re-sell for double the price.
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Shamad Conde
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Posted - 2004.09.10 16:32:00 -
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Increase the price of your products to resolve the problem. If the demand is high, I am surprised that you have not figured out that it would be happening this way. What do you think people like NAGA corp are suffering from. Same thing.
People praise their prices, buy their products and then re-sell for double the price.
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Genghis Eagles
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Posted - 2004.09.10 21:42:00 -
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Do you do Crows? I'll have one before you retire if your prices are as good as you suggest.
Black Dot Corp - Idiots with Missiles
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Genghis Eagles
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Posted - 2004.09.10 21:42:00 -
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Do you do Crows? I'll have one before you retire if your prices are as good as you suggest.
Black Dot Corp - Idiots with Missiles
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Alexis Fontaine
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Posted - 2004.09.10 22:59:00 -
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i sold crows/taranis/crusaders/maledictions....got some crusaders and maledictions left which ill get rid off and then thats it.
Is not worth the effort of getting the components and bpcs, crow bpcs are so damn hard to come by ud think no1 has a bpo of it, even if do find a bpc some1 wants like 5mil a run for it 
I think my prices were good. I sold at these prices
considering i have no ceptor bpos and only bpcs.
Crow 11mil
Taranis 10mil
Crusader 9mil
Malediction 9mil
anyways never building anymore for sale to general public
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Alexis Fontaine
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Posted - 2004.09.10 22:59:00 -
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i sold crows/taranis/crusaders/maledictions....got some crusaders and maledictions left which ill get rid off and then thats it.
Is not worth the effort of getting the components and bpcs, crow bpcs are so damn hard to come by ud think no1 has a bpo of it, even if do find a bpc some1 wants like 5mil a run for it
I think my prices were good. I sold at these prices
considering i have no ceptor bpos and only bpcs.
Crow 11mil
Taranis 10mil
Crusader 9mil
Malediction 9mil
anyways never building anymore for sale to general public
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WhiteTiger
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Posted - 2004.09.10 23:41:00 -
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Not really sure what your problem is. If people where buying your products and reselling them at a higher price this means you selling them below the market value. This should be a hint that you can increase the prices. If you where happy with the amount of profit you where making why quit?
Although the people buying your products maybe unhappy that you quit, anyone competing with you will be more than happy that you have removed yourself from the market, allowing them to collect the isk you don't seem to want.
People seem to have a misconception that the market value of an item is based on the cost of production. Items in high demand have a market value much greater than the parts they are made of. On the other hand there are items with no demand, that will be unlikely to ever sell for the price of their parts. If ccp doesn't fix some the items to make them useful I would guess there will be more complaints as people get offered wonderful tech2 blueprints such as Damage Control 2, Reinforced Bulkheads 2, and other prints for items nobody uses. These prints will be basically useless since the cost of producing the item will be many times what anyone would pay for one, assuming they would buy one at all.
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WhiteTiger
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Posted - 2004.09.10 23:41:00 -
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Not really sure what your problem is. If people where buying your products and reselling them at a higher price this means you selling them below the market value. This should be a hint that you can increase the prices. If you where happy with the amount of profit you where making why quit?
Although the people buying your products maybe unhappy that you quit, anyone competing with you will be more than happy that you have removed yourself from the market, allowing them to collect the isk you don't seem to want.
People seem to have a misconception that the market value of an item is based on the cost of production. Items in high demand have a market value much greater than the parts they are made of. On the other hand there are items with no demand, that will be unlikely to ever sell for the price of their parts. If ccp doesn't fix some the items to make them useful I would guess there will be more complaints as people get offered wonderful tech2 blueprints such as Damage Control 2, Reinforced Bulkheads 2, and other prints for items nobody uses. These prints will be basically useless since the cost of producing the item will be many times what anyone would pay for one, assuming they would buy one at all.
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Alexis Fontaine
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Posted - 2004.09.11 00:48:00 -
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um i build for people who really need the ship and shouldnt have to pay a stupidly high price considering they cant get enough back to replace it....jeez man its a freckin game not RL.
If it was RL and i was selling something i'd rip you off without a 2nd thought.......but its a game....
I luv the ol Supply n Demand arguement....more like supply and rip off
If i had the bpos i could do em even cheaper
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Alexis Fontaine
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Posted - 2004.09.11 00:48:00 -
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um i build for people who really need the ship and shouldnt have to pay a stupidly high price considering they cant get enough back to replace it....jeez man its a freckin game not RL.
If it was RL and i was selling something i'd rip you off without a 2nd thought.......but its a game....
I luv the ol Supply n Demand arguement....more like supply and rip off
If i had the bpos i could do em even cheaper
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2004.09.11 02:02:00 -
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haha you got passion on your side ill give you that. Im sure if you want to build just to help people play the game that you could find a private venue. If you go to the public market you should expect it to behave like a public market.
Besides those people that mark things up do the economy a service. They are making sure they get to the right person (ie that person willing to pay more)
If everything cost 1-isk and nobody could mark anything up then if you had billions of isk it wouldnt matter.
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2004.09.11 02:02:00 -
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haha you got passion on your side ill give you that. Im sure if you want to build just to help people play the game that you could find a private venue. If you go to the public market you should expect it to behave like a public market.
Besides those people that mark things up do the economy a service. They are making sure they get to the right person (ie that person willing to pay more)
If everything cost 1-isk and nobody could mark anything up then if you had billions of isk it wouldnt matter.
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Astinius
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Posted - 2004.09.11 02:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Alexis Fontaine
If it was RL and i was selling something i'd rip you off without a 2nd thought.......but its a game....
 soooo you prefer being a azz in RL instead of being one in a game?
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Astinius
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Posted - 2004.09.11 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis Fontaine
If it was RL and i was selling something i'd rip you off without a 2nd thought.......but its a game....
soooo you prefer being a azz in RL instead of being one in a game?
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Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.09.11 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Astinius
Originally by: Alexis Fontaine
If it was RL and i was selling something i'd rip you off without a 2nd thought.......but its a game....
soooo you prefer being a azz in RL instead of being one in a game?
Yep,I was thinking the same thing! Hehe, but what a ridiculous position, he's complaining because his ships are selling too fast? There's only one solution, BUILD MORE. |
Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.09.11 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Astinius
Originally by: Alexis Fontaine
If it was RL and i was selling something i'd rip you off without a 2nd thought.......but its a game....
soooo you prefer being a azz in RL instead of being one in a game?
Yep,I was thinking the same thing! Hehe, but what a ridiculous position, he's complaining because his ships are selling too fast? There's only one solution, BUILD MORE. |
Alexis Fontaine
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Posted - 2004.09.11 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: Alexis Fontaine on 11/09/2004 03:40:31
Originally by: Tech2 Shoppe
Yep,I was thinking the same thing! Hehe, but what a ridiculous position, he's complaining because his ships are selling too fast? There's only one solution, BUILD MORE.
if u actually read what i wrote you'd find out that what annoys me, Is people buying them and putting the price up and re-selling them, I couldnt give a toss if they sold in minutes or weeks....
learn to read it helps m8  im dyslexic but even i can read
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Alexis Fontaine
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Posted - 2004.09.11 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: Alexis Fontaine on 11/09/2004 03:40:31
Originally by: Tech2 Shoppe
Yep,I was thinking the same thing! Hehe, but what a ridiculous position, he's complaining because his ships are selling too fast? There's only one solution, BUILD MORE.
if u actually read what i wrote you'd find out that what annoys me, Is people buying them and putting the price up and re-selling them, I couldnt give a toss if they sold in minutes or weeks....
learn to read it helps m8 im dyslexic but even i can read
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Shakul
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Posted - 2004.09.11 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis Fontaine
um i build for people who really need the ship and shouldnt have to pay a stupidly high price considering they cant get enough back to replace it....jeez man its a freckin game not RL.
If you want to sell to people who "need" the ships (noobs?) then escrow it to individuals who you think deserve it. Don't use the open market or the open escrow. Manufacturers don't charge "stupidly high prices." most of them sell a markup of only 5-10% on t1 items (t2 is diffent because of monopolies/oligopolies). also, insurance covers replacement on everything but t2 ships (unless they changed it recently).
Originally by: Alexis Fontaine
If it was RL and i was selling something i'd rip you off without a 2nd thought.......but its a game....
I'm missing the point...
Originally by: Alexis Fontaine
I luv the ol Supply n Demand arguement....more like supply and rip off
supply and rip off? whos being ripped off? the buyer? why do they buy the item at all then? why doesnt someone else sell for a lower price?
Originally by: Alexis Fontaine
Is there no honourable person left in eve?
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IÆm sick to death of people buying them and jacking the price up and chuckin them back on the market or on escrowàthis is one builder whoÆs never ever going to build any more intyÆs at all except for friends.
I really don't see what buying ships has to do with honor. You are selling for the gratest price you think you can get, they are buying for the lowest price they think they can get. Wheres the dishonor?
What do you care what they do with their indy? You made your sale, you made your profit. Obviously, your indys must be selling well, so keep making them.
Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay. |
Shakul
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Posted - 2004.09.11 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis Fontaine
um i build for people who really need the ship and shouldnt have to pay a stupidly high price considering they cant get enough back to replace it....jeez man its a freckin game not RL.
If you want to sell to people who "need" the ships (noobs?) then escrow it to individuals who you think deserve it. Don't use the open market or the open escrow. Manufacturers don't charge "stupidly high prices." most of them sell a markup of only 5-10% on t1 items (t2 is diffent because of monopolies/oligopolies). also, insurance covers replacement on everything but t2 ships (unless they changed it recently).
Originally by: Alexis Fontaine
If it was RL and i was selling something i'd rip you off without a 2nd thought.......but its a game....
I'm missing the point...
Originally by: Alexis Fontaine
I luv the ol Supply n Demand arguement....more like supply and rip off
supply and rip off? whos being ripped off? the buyer? why do they buy the item at all then? why doesnt someone else sell for a lower price?
Originally by: Alexis Fontaine
Is there no honourable person left in eve?
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IÆm sick to death of people buying them and jacking the price up and chuckin them back on the market or on escrowàthis is one builder whoÆs never ever going to build any more intyÆs at all except for friends.
I really don't see what buying ships has to do with honor. You are selling for the gratest price you think you can get, they are buying for the lowest price they think they can get. Wheres the dishonor?
What do you care what they do with their indy? You made your sale, you made your profit. Obviously, your indys must be selling well, so keep making them.
Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay. |
Alexis Fontaine
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Posted - 2004.09.11 12:37:00 -
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your missing the point my friend, and when uve grown some balls you can post with a character who isnt a alt....
Anyways im ranting, surprised the thread hasnt been locked yet
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Alexis Fontaine
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Posted - 2004.09.11 12:37:00 -
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your missing the point my friend, and when uve grown some balls you can post with a character who isnt a alt....
Anyways im ranting, surprised the thread hasnt been locked yet
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J'Maybe Keens
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Posted - 2004.09.11 12:54:00 -
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I suspect the thread has not been locked because everyone else is making valid points.
You are selling at the price you wish to, which is below what the market can stand. Other people (lets call them middlemen) are taking your stock and re-selling at a higher price.
You should really be pleased and make some contracts with these people, its a ready market for you at the price you want to sell at.
If you wish to reduce the number of middlemen you can:
1. increase your prices, improve your profit and reduce their profit margins.
2. Sell directly to your customers through advertising, in which case you will have no items for sale on the open market for the middlemen to take advantage of.
As to the ranting elements of your original post and subsequent remarks, those are clear for all too see, but rather than flame and rant the community has proved there are more than enough honorable and sensible people by actually trying to help you out.
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AUTHOR of the COMPLETE mineral and ore Price guide, updated weekly, see Eve Guardian for details
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J'Maybe Keens
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Posted - 2004.09.11 12:54:00 -
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I suspect the thread has not been locked because everyone else is making valid points.
You are selling at the price you wish to, which is below what the market can stand. Other people (lets call them middlemen) are taking your stock and re-selling at a higher price.
You should really be pleased and make some contracts with these people, its a ready market for you at the price you want to sell at.
If you wish to reduce the number of middlemen you can:
1. increase your prices, improve your profit and reduce their profit margins.
2. Sell directly to your customers through advertising, in which case you will have no items for sale on the open market for the middlemen to take advantage of.
As to the ranting elements of your original post and subsequent remarks, those are clear for all too see, but rather than flame and rant the community has proved there are more than enough honorable and sensible people by actually trying to help you out.
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AUTHOR of the COMPLETE mineral and ore Price guide, updated weekly, see Eve Guardian for details
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2004.09.11 15:50:00 -
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Sell direct in the trade channel.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2004.09.11 15:50:00 -
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Sell direct in the trade channel.
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