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DeT Resprox Minmatar T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2009.05.28 23:30:00 - [1] DeT Resprox reached for the comms button and pressed, screens flickered and Resprox sat back. "It is with deep regret that i am to announce that the T.R.I.A.D Agency are expelling all UshraKhan members from the Agency with immediate effect. This follows the Ushra'Khan positive standings stance towards the Heretic Army corporation. Heretic Army continue to mount pirate strikes inside Heimatar and The Bleaklands, affecting Minmatar militia military operations and trade in and out of Minmatar Republic space. Several skirmishes have broken out over recent days involving T.R.I.A.D corporation and agency members. One such fight resulted in the loss of a faction fitted Bhaalghorn belonging to Heretic Army. In recent days, Heretic Army have grown in presence in the area. We expect to see fighting continue for several days to come. UshraKhan has been set to neutral standings due to their continued support of this pirate organisation." The screen flickered and a familiar face within the Minmatar Militia appeared. Resprox continued: "nasty1 of T.R.I.A.D has been entrusted to lead several campaigns against Heretic Army. These are specific objectives aimed at individual pilots and positions. Agency members will be briefed on these campaigns shortly. Piracy in Minmatar space must be eradicated in order to protect the Matari people and our markets. For Matar!" DeT Resprox T.R.I.A.D CEO Minmatar Militia Fleet Commander
Eran Mintor Minmatar Stillwater Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.29 01:07:00 - [2] Edited by: Eran Mintor on 29/05/2009 01:07:41 I am proud to be a T.R.I.A.D associate. Thank you for your continued support, Commander Resprox.
Bad Harlequin Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.29 03:25:00 - [3] Eran... i have to admit - and i realize it doesn't take much - i'm kind of confused now.
Eran Mintor Minmatar Stillwater Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.29 03:30:00 - [4] We can talk in private or you can elaborate what you're confused about here and I will address the issue.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.29 04:14:00 - [5] More tribals policing themselves. Some of my betters may call me out on my bleeding heart, but by God this is progress! Interesting to think that open conflict between Amarrian and Matari militias in the Bleaklands could be what precipitated such progress...
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.29 06:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Garreck More tribals policing themselves. Some of my betters may call me out on my bleeding heart, but by God this is progress! Interesting to think that open conflict between Amarrian and Matari militias in the Bleaklands could be what precipitated such progress... Your call on progress ,I guess be the same as the continuous friendly relations you have with pirates in Providence for quite some time now .
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.05.29 08:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Garreck More tribals policing themselves. Some of my betters may call me out on my bleeding heart, but by God this is progress! Interesting to think that open conflict between Amarrian and Matari militias in the Bleaklands could be what precipitated such progress... I think the Minmatar just figured out they are better off without pirates around... took 'em long enough. But there are now three Minmitar anit-pirate threads going. But this could be very bad for Amarr. The Minmitar have never been too selective about with whom they work. We've seen them work with pirates, heretics, sociopaths, anarchists, The Federation and even Blood Raiders. The effect of this strategy has always been the same. They get big short term gains followed by disastrous long term failures. And the Amarr capitalize on these failures. With no "allies" pulling them down and causing them problems the Matari may become a lot stronger.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.29 09:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Mr Reeth Originally by: Garreck More tribals policing themselves. Some of my betters may call me out on my bleeding heart, but by God this is progress! Interesting to think that open conflict between Amarrian and Matari militias in the Bleaklands could be what precipitated such progress... I think the Minmatar just figured out they are better off without pirates around... took 'em long enough. But there are now three Minmitar anit-pirate threads going. But this could be very bad for Amarr. The Minmitar have never been too selective about with whom they work. We've seen them work with pirates, heretics, sociopaths, anarchists, The Federation and even Blood Raiders. The effect of this strategy has always been the same. They get big short term gains followed by disastrous long term failures. And the Amarr capitalize on these failures. With no "allies" pulling them down and causing them problems the Matari may become a lot stronger. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before things revert to the Minmatars working alongside groups who don't have their best interests at heart. Already, we see many militia corporations working with an alliance that's opposed to the concept of sovereign territory. As I pointed out a couple of years ago the enemies of Amarr often find that their shared hatred of our goodness and purity over-rides their mutual antipathy towards each other. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.29 11:33:00 - [9] U'K are not 'anti-pirate', we are 'anti-slaver'. TRIAD knows this. What they are objecting to is us not setting standings as they would personally desire. We have friendly relations with pirates who support our goals and objectives, both historically and at this moment in time. This will continue as it always has done. We do not seek to micromanage the engagement policy of our allies. And, we will not be told who we can and cannot maintain friendly relationships with. That is our choice as an indepedent sovereign entity, with no further justification required. Even our more powerful allies do not attempt to micromanage our standings, and we offer the same courtesy in return.
T 2 Minmatar Tribal Core	Posted - 2009.05.29 12:12:00 - [10] Originally by: O Thief And, we will not be told who we can and cannot maintain friendly relationships with. That is our choice as an indepedent sovereign entity, with no further justification required. These are words that many should read and understand. I agree 100%. You can merely inform others that you feel would need to know what their friends are doing should they be unaware of it. They are the ones making the decisions on their own based on much wider angle on things that may be unknown to us. You should not pass judgement on people based on who they have as friends but based on their own actions. Best Regards, T 2 ----------- Member of Tribal Core - fighting for Minmatar Militia. Death to Amarr; long live the Minmatar Nation.
Hoggs Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.05.29 12:55:00 - [11] All this over little old us. I suppose it's worth note that the Minmatar militia decided war on US, not the other way around. You can't really blame us for starting this whole mess; we offered what we could while remaining NBSI, while the minnies baught in to the bull**** and decided it was war time.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.29 13:05:00 - [12] Originally by: O Thief U'K are not 'anti-pirate', we are 'anti-slaver'. TRIAD knows this. What they are objecting to is us not setting standings as they would personally desire. We have friendly relations with pirates who support our goals and objectives, both historically and at this moment in time. This will continue as it always has done. We do not seek to micromanage the engagement policy of our allies. And, we will not be told who we can and cannot maintain friendly relationships with. That is our choice as an indepedent sovereign entity, with no further justification required. Even our more powerful allies do not attempt to micromanage our standings, and we offer the same courtesy in return. So what you are saying is you are ok with with pirates hitting up matari in min space so long as they fit your needs? Doesnt the needs of the matari people out weigh the needs of your alliance?
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.29 13:11:00 - [13] Its so sweet when people use the Militia to enact personal vendettas and they don't realize how they are being manipulated. nasty1 is a tactical genius, excellent choice there. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.29 13:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Hoggs All this over little old us. I suppose it's worth note that the Minmatar militia decided war on US, not the other way around. You can't really blame us for starting this whole mess; we offered what we could while remaining NBSI, while the minnies baught in to the bull**** and decided it was war time. Sounds like you ticks are going to get your "o" rings handed to you.
Hoggs Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.05.29 13:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Hoggs All this over little old us. I suppose it's worth note that the Minmatar militia decided war on US, not the other way around. You can't really blame us for starting this whole mess; we offered what we could while remaining NBSI, while the minnies baught in to the bull**** and decided it was war time. Sounds like you ticks are going to get your "o" rings handed to you. And how many times have we all heard that in the last few months? We're still here.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.29 13:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Invelious So what you are saying is you are ok with pirates blasting up matari in minnie space so long as they fit your needs? Doesnt the needs of the matari people out weigh the needs of your alliance? Our standings choices are made independently, and based on a wide range of factors. We will not be coerced, or have standings changes demanded of us, by others who apparently decide where our interests 'should' lie. Our position is 100% clear and is not going to change. We do not decide standings based on GalNet discussion ramblings, threats, or the opinions of those who are not privy to the rationale behind the choices we make. If people wish to discuss our standings with other entities, they are welcome to do so through diplomatic means, although the ultimate decision on whether or not to remove a postive standing is ours, and ours alone. If an ally of ours chooses to reset us because we don't change our standings on their demand, they are not the kind of ally we want, and a reset is a step in the right direction for all concerned.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.29 14:13:00 - [17] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Invelious So what you are saying is you are ok with pirates blasting up matari in minnie space so long as they fit your needs? Doesnt the needs of the matari people out weigh the needs of your alliance? Our standings choices are made independently, and based on a wide range of factors. We will not be coerced, or have standings changes demanded of us, by others who apparently decide where our interests 'should' lie. Our position is 100% clear and is not going to change. We do not decide standings based on GalNet discussion ramblings, threats, or the opinions of those who are not privy to the rationale behind the choices we make. If people wish to discuss our standings with other entities, they are welcome to do so through diplomatic means, although the ultimate decision on whether or not to remove a postive standing is ours, and ours alone. If an ally of ours chooses to reset us because we don't change our standings on their demand, they are not the kind of ally we want, and a reset is a step in the right direction for all concerned. You dont seem to get it, heretics pirate matari, and disurpt market flow of the republic. You have them set as blue. Do you not serve the intrests of the republic? As a alliance dedicated to Minmatar, why would you side with these pirates?
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.29 14:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Invelious You don't seem to get it, heretics pirate matari, and disrupt market flow of the republic. You have them set as blue. Do you not serve the interests of the republic? As a alliance dedicated to Minmatar, why would you side with these pirates? Heretic Nation has some elements of the Matari resistance set to blue. They are not attacked unless they fire upon us first. Other elements of the Matari resistance are not so enlightened and would rather challenge privateer elements than the Amarrian aggressor. Reasons for this abound but poignient ones remain in that the Minmatar milita has been infiltrated by elements of the Amarr milita and various catspaws of long term opponents of Heretic Nation that are using you to their own ends. We of the Nation find it curious that the Minmatar Milita chooses to cast aside those whom maintain at worst friendly relations on some level and at best Tacit alliances with them. I can only come to the conclusion that all too many of you are traitors to the Republic and subsisting on handouts of Amarrian gold, while the enemy continue to benefit from allegiances to CVA and Empire aligned corporations. (Has anyone see my Wizards Hat?) Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.29 14:35:00 - [19] Originally by: Invelious You dont seem to get it, heretics pirate matari, and disurpt market flow of the republic. You have them set as blue. Do you not serve the intrests of the republic? As a alliance dedicated to Minmatar, why would you side with these pirates? We understand the situation very well. However, you do not seem to understand our alliance. We are not 'an alliance dedicated to Minmatar' but an alliance dedicated to anti-slavery, in all its forms. Our objectives are 0.0 focused, we do not involve ourselves with disputes within the miilita, and we refuse to be drawn into it. As an aside, throwing hissy-fits on GalNet when we do not set standings the way people want, is unlikely to foster a constructive dialogue or make us more inclined to review the standings in question. Quite the opposite.
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.29 14:47:00 - [20] Surely a private communique would have been a better place to inform us of a standing reset? Noted, matched. What a waste.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.29 15:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Mr Reeth With no "allies" pulling them down and causing them problems the Matari may become a lot stronger. I'm a sentimental old soldier. May my enemies be pure of heart and motivation, no matter what strength or advantage they may derive from it. It makes the battle that much more glorious.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.05.29 15:40:00 - [22] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Invelious You dont seem to get it, heretics pirate matari, and disurpt market flow of the republic. You have them set as blue. Do you not serve the intrests of the republic? As a alliance dedicated to Minmatar, why would you side with these pirates? We understand the situation very well. However, you do not seem to understand our alliance. We are not 'an alliance dedicated to Minmatar' but an alliance dedicated to anti-slavery, in all its forms. Our objectives are 0.0 focused, we do not involve ourselves with disputes within the miilita, and we refuse to be drawn into it. As an aside, throwing hissy-fits on GalNet when we do not set standings the way people want, is unlikely to foster a constructive dialogue or make us more inclined to review the standings in question. Quite the opposite. No hissy fit here, I was genuinely asking, now I know.
AbdullahAhmed Caldari Valklear Guard Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.29 16:08:00 - [23] I'll keep this simple. I'll start by pointing out that evrything I say is only that of my personal views, and not that of my superiors or Alliance diplomats. Ushra'Khan does what it must, to free the minmatar people. That is why I have joined, and that is why they assist pirates. Pirates are the most eager to combat CVA in providence, and so we assist them, so that they may assist us. I do not care about my standings with the Minmatar Republic. Not once bit. When the slaves are all free, It wil not matter that I am treated with contempt, and seen as an outlaw, because my goal, and the greater good will be done. This is a view from a Caldari. I am efficient, I am ruthless, but I am always free to choose, even in the state, the choice is present. In the state, I am free to choose to rise and fall. And if I rise, it is of my own merit, and not that of someone teling you what to do.. Not a god, not a slave master. I listen to only myself, and those that I choose to listen to. The point is choice. I exist to ask all slaves the question, that they might have the choice to be free.
Ferocious Passion Caldari THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.05.29 16:44:00 - [24] Originally by: RedSplat Its so sweet when people use the Militia to enact personal vendettas and they don't realize how they are being manipulated. nasty1 is a tactical genius, excellent choice there. How ironic your statement is as you try to manipulate now with your twisted tongue. The Minmatar are probably taking things rather personally due to the fact that Heretic Nation blows up their ships in the warzone on a daily basis....Don't you think? You always have so much to say and yet so little understanding of humanity as a whole. Impressive how you manage to function socially when it is quite obvious you are just another propaganda puppet oiling the manipulation machine. The Minmatar Militia are not stupid. They are capable of reading data records, they know when their gates are camped and when Heretic Nation is chasing them down. The fact that you are trying to promote innocence in favour of some personal agenda that all of a sudden inflicted Heretic Nation with some woe is quite laughable. I find it intriguing how Heretic's are so valued to Ushra Khan as allies and yet the only time they made any sort of impact in nullsec against CVA was when they were in the Minmatar Militia. How often do Heretic's show up to kill CVA and the rest of the Pet Slavers U'K? How many of those Slaver kills compare to the Minmatar Militia deaths at the hand of Heretics? Here I was thinking Minmatar Militia were on a campaign to kill slavers and free their own people in the war they have entered into against the Amarr. It seems I am mistaken in how Ushra Khan see's things and how they judge the actions of their own allies and the people they are supposedly fighting the slavers for. If Heretics were such great allies and worthy of the status you give them, perhaps they should be out in nullsec with you, fighting the cause directly? Somehow I don't see that happening as they continue to benefit from the protection of blue's they like to garner here and there for political and safety reasons, then carry on profiting by camping Osoggur gate and surrounding systems. Mostly killing Minmatar. Heretic Nation only has one cause and it doesn't take rocket science to figure that one out. A quick flick through their data records tells the story in black and white. Posturing now to try and save some face only makes Heretics and their associates look all the more stupid and guilty. Shame on your Ushra Khan.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.29 17:12:00 - [25] Edited by: O Thief on 29/05/2009 17:13:11 Originally by: Ferocious Passion long-winded and slightly incoherent response This is pretty much why we don't get involved, the politics is far too messy (thanks in part, to the bizarre way in which the militia are sanctioned by CONCORD). The militia need to manage their own relationships, we have more pressing objectives in 0.0 space.
Ophey Won Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.29 20:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Ferocious Passion Originally by: RedSplat Its so sweet when people use the Militia to enact personal vendettas and they don't realize how they are being manipulated. nasty1 is a tactical genius, excellent choice there. How ironic your statement is as you try to manipulate now with your twisted tongue. The Minmatar are probably taking things rather personally due to the fact that Heretic Nation blows up their ships in the warzone on a daily basis....Don't you think? You always have so much to say and yet so little understanding of humanity as a whole. Impressive how you manage to function socially when it is quite obvious you are just another propaganda puppet oiling the manipulation machine. The Minmatar Militia are not stupid. They are capable of reading data records, they know when their gates are camped and when Heretic Nation is chasing them down. The fact that you are trying to promote innocence in favour of some personal agenda that all of a sudden inflicted Heretic Nation with some woe is quite laughable. I find it intriguing how Heretic's are so valued to Ushra Khan as allies and yet the only time they made any sort of impact in nullsec against CVA was when they were in the Minmatar Militia. How often do Heretic's show up to kill CVA and the rest of the Pet Slavers U'K? How many of those Slaver kills compare to the Minmatar Militia deaths at the hand of Heretics? Here I was thinking Minmatar Militia were on a campaign to kill slavers and free their own people in the war they have entered into against the Amarr. It seems I am mistaken in how Ushra Khan see's things and how they judge the actions of their own allies and the people they are supposedly fighting the slavers for. If Heretics were such great allies and worthy of the status you give them, perhaps they should be out in nullsec with you, fighting the cause directly? Somehow I don't see that happening as they continue to benefit from the protection of blue's they like to garner here and there for political and safety reasons, then carry on profiting by camping Osoggur gate and surrounding systems. Mostly killing Minmatar. Heretic Nation only has one cause and it doesn't take rocket science to figure that one out. A quick flick through their data records tells the story in black and white. Posturing now to try and save some face only makes Heretics and their associates look all the more stupid and guilty. Shame on your Ushra Khan. Oh how The Failed Stand do hate Heretic Nation in all its glory. But I do hope the Minmatar do remember what TFS did to the militia. I do remember reading a report somewhere. It went something like this. TFS blued up a Amarr fleet. The combined TFS and Amarr fleet entered Minmatar space. The rest of the Minmatar Militia attacked the Amarr. TFS was very upset with the Minmatar Militia, and quit the Militia them selfs. Afterwords they told the Militia they had always been blue to the said Amarr corp that was in the Amarr Milita. And you are so interested in the Minmatar cause that you feel the need to respond to every issue that effects the Minmatar. OH wait. You only respond when it involves Heretics. You try to raise forces against us. You try to turn our allies against us. YOU FAIL!!! You turned the MInmatar Militia against us. Congrats. But we will not wait for them to attack us once we know they are after us. We hunt our enemies. They decided to be our enemies. We did try to blue them. They did not want it. They wanted this war not us. But we shall win by what ever means are necessary. We still attack CVA and any Amarr pilots we can find. It just so happens that right now the Minmatar are nearer and we shall remain in Amamake. We still make runs to CVA space and roam to Amarr space. But a target is a target. Here I am. Here I shall remain. Ophey Won.
Hoggs Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.05.30 03:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Ferocious Passion RAAAAAAGE! Aww, you had me thinking you finally moved on! Anyway, you're trying to say that we're trying to say that we're good people? HA! You don't need to point out the obvious. We will hunt them as long as they call us the enemy. As for those that are still blue, we still respect them. It's also interesting that you think you know everything we do, yet have nothing to do with us what so ever. What a joke. I take back what I said in your previous thread. Go have fun griefing industrialists in your high sec blob alliance.
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2009.05.30 09:37:00 - [28] Betrayal takes many forms. He who I considered a blood brother has stabbed me in the back, when I thought he was watching it. DeT Resprox, when the enemy congratulate you for your deed, reconsider your actions. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Tkotm Minmatar The Wings of Maak	Posted - 2009.05.30 10:22:00 - [29] Edited by: Tkotm on 30/05/2009 10:22:49 Hard to do such move, I know your feeling, but that had to be done. WE come for our people !! You will receive a confirmation (soon) that you are back blue for Maak brother.
Aodha Khan Minmatar Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.05.30 10:56:00 - [30] The Ushra'Khan alliance became lost to the Minmatar cause a long time ago. Wake up people, your expectations of that rabble of pilots are far too high.

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