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Mysteriax Scoopex	Posted - 2009.06.03 13:56:00 - [61] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: 1600 RT Originally by: Mystafyre So much bitterness in this one... Rapier, Hurricane, Rupture, Vagabond, Typhoon... Do I need to continue? no because add the rifter and you mentioned all the decent minmatar ships Sleipnir isn't decent? The Claymore is a fantastic warfare link platform. The Maelstrom is a pretty good BS. Broadsword is the best HIC. Sabre is easily the best Dictor (and the Thrasher is arguably the best destroyer), Claw is a great inty, Prowler is the best blockade runner, Cheetah is as good a covops as any... I'd say that he mentioned less than half of the decent Minmatar ships. I'm not saying that projectiles couldn't use a little love, especially arty, but when you have excellent T1 and T2 frigates, T1 and T2 destroyers, T1 and T2 Cruisers, T1 and T2 battlecruisers, battleships and even the best T2 hauler ffs, then really, what's left to complain about? Sub-par cap ships, I guess, and even the Naglol just got a boost. Where do we start Rapier is the worst Recon in the game how can you even mention it. I fly it and I can tell you it isnt good 60% webs just suck you need 3 of em to have the effect of 1 old web. So a rapier can annoy 1 target max and it dead in an instance when primaried, it isnt fast enough anymore. Sleip isnt that good anymore since speed / agi nerf. Claymore is horrible since its to slow and bulky for roams since the agi nerf. Roams is what its warfare links are made for. Oh and thrasher what does it matter its the best of a line of nearly useless ships?. Pops in a sec and the only thing it can do is anti support/frigs. Lets not get me started on the phoon you need tripple the sp to still be slightly worse then a raven or a Dominix. Cane although not bad, its worse then the drake and the harbringer so i cant call it good. Minmatar have some OK ships but only those listed below would i call good. Good ships Rifter Vigil awesome cheap tackler which people seem to forget about its as fast as an inty. Sabre Ruppy Broadsword Vaga although i find the vaga a tad lacking atm, but it has a niche and does it well. Please dont start to me about Minmatar battleships. The tracking and optimal range of projectile turrets just doesnt cut it. I can make a great mael sniper setup (Mael is so much better then a tempest for sniping). But the problem is I cant hit a Cruiser at 150km who just uses his normal movement. Our damage decreases fast after 152km, however the mael is very easy to make DD proof with the right skills, but that setup is secret :P.
sushistrip	Posted - 2009.06.03 16:43:00 - [62] Edited by: sushistrip on 03/06/2009 16:46:12 Originally by: Mors Magne Edited by: Mors Magne on 03/06/2009 12:31:19 The OP's making the mistake of permarunning the MWD. That's it really. The Vaga dosen't speed tank. None of what I'm saying is profound - it's all been said before on previous threads going back two years. If I were the OP, I'd try the tactics advised on this thread on the test server before losing more expensive Vagas. First off, I've lost one vaga and that was to a blob of recons... Secondly, I've tried every fit under the sun for the vagabond...no just perma running the mwd. And if the vaga was never meant to be speed tanked then why the hell did they give it a bonus to speed and not a bonus to shields. Yes the vaga's ability to control the range of the battle has it's advantages, but if you want your full dps you have to get right up in their face, so that bonus to speed only helps you halfway through the battle. And btw any hac with an mwd on it has the ability to "run away" from a battle just as easy as a vaga can. It's not like a web and short point is going to treat a vaga any different than it would a sacrilige for instance.
Tildes own Aliastra	Posted - 2009.06.03 17:36:00 - [63] Perhaps... it is you, who is the sorry excuse for a pilot.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2009.06.03 17:42:00 - [64] Originally by: Mysteriax however the mael is very easy to make DD proof with the right skills, but that setup is secret :P. You mean this?
sushistrip	Posted - 2009.06.03 18:46:00 - [65] Originally by: Tildes own Perhaps... it is you, who is the sorry excuse for a pilot. Perhaps....you are wrong and perhaps....that's not what the thread is discussing
Mysteriax Scoopex	Posted - 2009.06.04 02:17:00 - [66] Edited by: Mysteriax on 04/06/2009 02:18:16 Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Mysteriax however the mael is very easy to make DD proof with the right skills, but that setup is secret :P. You mean this? Nope thats not it. Thats an old fit. That old fit isn't that bad but my new one is more efficient (can add 1 gyro more without sacrificing anything else). and with the skills I had that time I wouldn't been able to fit it. Oh and the best things the 3 rigs total are cheaper then 1 trimark :P You can look at the KBs all you want but my new fitting hasn't been shot down yet, although I am quite sure it will soon. I want more pew pew!
OZEPATHAN Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.06.04 04:20:00 - [67] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Mysteriax however the mael is very easy to make DD proof with the right skills, but that setup is secret :P. You mean this? Did anyone else notice that a Vaga is at the top of that Kill Mail. Please resize signature to the maximum allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
foobarx	Posted - 2009.06.04 06:01:00 - [68] Originally by: OZEPATHAN Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Mysteriax however the mael is very easy to make DD proof with the right skills, but that setup is secret :P. You mean this? Did anyone else notice that a Vaga is at the top of that Kill Mail. I also notice the killmail is pre-nanonerf. Without knowing how it all played out there's no support for either side of the debate.
Mysteriax Scoopex	Posted - 2009.06.04 13:14:00 - [69] How it played out. I was with my former alliance ZAF in a goonfleet OP to defend a system. We came into the system and we warped to a pos (this system already had a large bob presence). We didnt get the password of the POS yet but we would get it soon so we hugged shields. Needless to say a 100 man bobfleet warped in about 75km away from me. I tried to warp off but alas to late. So the reason why the vaga's are so high, this was pre nano nerf is because they reached me within seconds while the others where slower. I was primary, some other lucky people (other allies who didnt get the pass) gladly did get away. I remember this loss quite well because it wasn't the first time I lost a ship because we didn't get a POS password and I got quite ****ed off.
Dav Varan	Posted - 2009.06.04 16:49:00 - [70] Originally by: Mysteriax How it played out. I was with my former alliance ZAF in a goonfleet OP to defend a system. We came into the system and we warped to a pos (this system already had a large bob presence). We didnt get the password of the POS yet but we would get it soon so we hugged shields. Needless to say a 100 man bobfleet warped in about 75km away from me. I tried to warp off but alas to late. So the reason why the vaga's are so high, this was pre nano nerf is because they reached me within seconds while the others where slower. I was primary, some other lucky people (other allies who didnt get the pass) gladly did get away. I remember this loss quite well because it wasn't the first time I lost a ship because we didn't get a POS password and I got quite ****ed off. Yes it was definitelly the fault of the person supplying passwords that u sat there outside the shields waiting to get primaried rather than warping between safes. So to the op is this like a joke yeah ? On your transversal issues , you say others are hitting you yet you cant seem to hit them ? afaik transversal is the same for both ships even if one is stationary and only the other orbits. No you dont have to orbit at max speed there is a speed control right in the middle of your hud, select the speed you want to go to suit your transversal. I dont like the vaga personally , but many people swear by them, they are designed to be hit and run vessels which they are very good at. Speed to get into combat and out of combat when in an unfavourable situation just dont get yourself scrammed and you should do fine in a vaga "You're the kind of people who would complain about the power of the queen if you played chess." Abulurd Boniface
sushistrip	Posted - 2009.06.04 17:01:00 - [71] Edited by: sushistrip on 04/06/2009 17:02:26 Originally by: Dav Varan No you dont have to orbit at max speed there is a speed control right in the middle of your hud, select the speed you want to go to suit your transversal. Yea, if I want to die ill orbit at half my speed, but I do agree with the rest of your statements
OZEPATHAN Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.06.04 17:19:00 - [72] Originally by: Mysteriax How it played out. I was with my former alliance ZAF in a goonfleet OP to defend a system. We came into the system and we warped to a pos (this system already had a large bob presence). We didnt get the password of the POS yet but we would get it soon so we hugged shields. Needless to say a 100 man bobfleet warped in about 75km away from me. I tried to warp off but alas to late. So the reason why the vaga's are so high, this was pre nano nerf is because they reached me within seconds while the others where slower. I was primary, some other lucky people (other allies who didnt get the pass) gladly did get away. I remember this loss quite well because it wasn't the first time I lost a ship because we didn't get a POS password and I got quite ****ed off. Pre or Post Nerf doesn't matter with respect to this situation. A vaga would still be able to close 50 km very quickly and get a point on you before you would be able to warp off. Which is another reason why a vaga is a really good HAC. Choosing to fly a vaga is about your style of flying. If your style is to hit approach, web, scram, f1-f5 while hitting approach the whole time than the ship you are looking for is a diemost, or something similar. If you're looking for actual flying, dog fighting, ability to disangage and warp off when backup arrives than a vaga is for you. To the OP: You do not get a vaga within scramming range of your target, unless you know for sure that a target doesn't have a scram fitted. If you get scrammed you are dead. this discussion is pretty dead atm, post your vaga kill mails instead Please resize signature to the maximum allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
Myrkala Minmatar Aurora Acclivitous	Posted - 2009.06.04 17:33:00 - [73] Vaga vs Zealot: Load RF PP and wtfpwn the Zealot, pretty much. Vaga vs Cerb: A Cerb only has about 200-300 eDPS against a Vaga moving, so a lot of that dps goes down the drain, resists are in its favour. Fit RF EMP and try to keep moving a lot. Ishtar and Sacri are more tricky cause they generally are tankier. Wear them down if you think they don't have friends and neut them when they run out of cap boosters or just call in your own friends. "Ruppie ain't no puppie."
Redon Minmatar Destructive Influence KenZoku	Posted - 2009.06.07 22:09:00 - [74] Originally by: OZEPATHAN Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Mysteriax however the mael is very easy to make DD proof with the right skills, but that setup is secret :P. You mean this? Did anyone else notice that a Vaga is at the top of that Kill Mail. hehe i remember that day vagas ftw
Lotty Granat Superior Shipyards	Posted - 2009.06.07 22:57:00 - [75] Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii Flying Minmatar solo is near impossible, and totally luck and waiting game based. ..it is not fun. -BUT- I do it anyways. Just fly what you can afford to lose. (If you fly Minmatar, you likely can not afford much, ha!) Meh - you fail. Either you don't understand the ships or you really are poor a target selection. Either way = Fail. Nothing WTFPWNs everything else and nothing should - welcome to eve.
Warrio GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.08 01:49:00 - [76] Originally by: sushistrip if you have all level 5 skills and fit it properly it might have a chance I know!! How annoying is it when you have to train the correct skills AND fit the ship properly.

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