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sushistrip	Posted - 2009.06.01 23:44:00 - [1] I've tried and tried....and tried some more.....and cannot for the life of me figure out how the vagabond fits the role of a heavy assault ship. Put this ship up against any other HAC, it will lose. Sure, maybe if you have all level 5 skills and fit it properly it might have a chance, but a slim one at that. It is either going to die, or have to warp off because it can't hit anything. First off: The bonuses combined with the slots This ships bonuses make absolutely no sense. How are you going to give a turret ship a bonus to speed and no bonus to tracking? And the bonus to falloff is just a slap in the face considering your transversal goes down the farther out you are, allowing other turret ships to hit you. Added to the fact that this ship gets no bonus to cap, making it just as hard to get the MWD to perma run as any other HAC. On top of all that, it gets 5 low slots.... and 4 mids?....wtf?... Of all things this ship is a tackler, therefore two of the mid slots are automatically mwd/point. On top of that, its a HAC.....you want good damage don't you?...well there goes two of your low slots for damage mods. Ok now by default the vaga goes faster than any other nanoed cruiser in the game (besides the stabber) even without speed mods....but your gona want to perma run it right?.....well there goes at least one more low and one more mid. Now, any self respectable vaga pilot knows you have to have good tracking if you want to hit your target. Well there goes the rest of your lows/mids and your rig slots. Yaaaaay now I'm ready to kill people right?.....wrong. Believe it or not you can't hit jack squat with medium guns orbiting someone at 2.9km/s, and that's the lowest speed a vaga should go.....On top of that, most turret ships (minus battleships of course) can still hit you at that speed. In conclusion to this bit, if you fit a vaga to play towards it's bonuses your going to be sorely disappointed. Now, (I could tell this was gona be a bit long so I'll shorten this up a bit) if you buffer/gank fit a vaga you can do fairly well, however any other hac is STILL going to kill you....they can fit their ships to play towards their bonuses, what do you get?....a bonus to speed?....that really helps when your sittin face to face with a deimos..... In total conclusion, you can't fly vagabond the way it was meant to be. It's a continuous circle of, "Well if I do this then that won't work." The vagabond needs something, another low/midslot perhaps, a bonus to play towards it's strength as a projectile/speedy ship, something to level the playing field.
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.06.01 23:48:00 - [2] 3/10 Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Smirna Auff	Posted - 2009.06.01 23:50:00 - [3] 2/10 I was almost willing to give you the benefit of the doubt until you said this: Originally by: sushistrip ....they can fit their ships to play towards their bonuses, what do you get?....a bonus to speed?....that really helps when your sittin face to face with a deimos.....
Gin G Halls Of Valhalla	Posted - 2009.06.01 23:51:00 - [4] try the eagle instead then come back
Fuazzole	Posted - 2009.06.02 00:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Gin G try the eagle instead then come back 1/10 Try the diemost instead then come back
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.06.02 00:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Gin G try the eagle instead then come back You say that but you've never seen so much killmail w***ing in sniperfleets as eagles. Apart from that OP fails, hard. Self-proclaimed idiot
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.06.02 01:02:00 - [7] Edited by: 4THELULZ on 02/06/2009 01:03:46 Quote: The Vagabond - A sad excuse for a HAC Ha... ha... haaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Oh wow. I didn't even bother reading the rest after that. Learn to play or obvious troll - it gets harder to tell by the day here.
Poses	Posted - 2009.06.02 01:06:00 - [8] try running away in a SAC lets see how far that gets you... the point of the vaga is that it takes serious effort to lose one. Also: try killing a vaga with an ishtar 'ooh your heavy drones cannot catch up to me.... that's too bad :(((((((' this isn't 100% true as all ishtars also carry light and medium drones but ti takes them **ing ages to burn through the 9k+ shields on a standard vaga setup. So i guess what I'm trying to say is... suck **s and actually use ships before you devide how good/bad they are.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.02 01:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Fuazzole Originally by: Gin G try the eagle instead then come back 1/10 Try the diemost instead then come back 0/10 Try the muninn instead then come back
Grez Core Contingency Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.02 01:20:00 - [10] Poor troll. --- Grez: I shot the sheriff Kalazar: But I could not lock the Deputy BECAUSE OF FALCON
UMEE Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.06.02 01:39:00 - [11] vaga sux. im not even trolling.
Raven Foxfire	Posted - 2009.06.02 01:40:00 - [12] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Fuazzole Originally by: Gin G try the eagle instead then come back 1/10 Try the diemost instead then come back 0/10 Try the muninn instead then come back
Xzar Fyrarr Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.06.02 01:46:00 - [13] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Fuazzole Originally by: Gin G try the eagle instead then come back 1/10 Try the diemost instead then come back 0/10 Try the muninn instead then come back
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.06.02 02:38:00 - [14] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Fuazzole Originally by: Gin G try the eagle instead then come back 1/10 Try the diemost instead then come back 0/10 Try the muninn instead then come back -1/10 Try the... oh wait, never mind __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.02 04:09:00 - [15] Terrible troll... Vagabond is still the king of Hacs
Lysander Kaldenn Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.06.02 05:16:00 - [16] This is the stupidest topic on the forums. And thats saying a lot. The vaga is hands down my favorite HAC, and I can and have flown every other one except the cerb and the eagle. It moves quick and packs a hell of a punch. To argue that it is broken would be funny if you were joking or trolling or something, but unfortunatly I think you are all too serious. Maybe time to go back to that mission-machine raven/drake.
sushistrip	Posted - 2009.06.02 05:57:00 - [17] vaga vs deimos = can't break its tank, vaga vs ishtar = can't break its tank, vaga vs zealot = zealot can track you, vaga vs sacrilege = sac will wtfpwn you, vaga vs eagle (not too sure havent play with the eagle much), vaga vs cerb = will wtfpwn you, and in all cases you do jack for damage because you can't track them well
foobarx	Posted - 2009.06.02 06:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Poses the point of the vaga is that it takes serious effort to lose one. It may take serious effort to lose one, but it's mostly a mildly irritating mosquito to anything bigger than a cruiser. Unless you slow down enough to do full damage, at which point you will lose it.
sushistrip	Posted - 2009.06.02 06:39:00 - [19] Originally by: foobarx Originally by: Poses the point of the vaga is that it takes serious effort to lose one. Unless you slow down enough to do full damage, at which point you will lose it. Theres my point.....EFT may say im doing 450 dps but when I use it's bonus (speed) to my advantage the dps goes down to about 150.....
Harris Damage over Time	Posted - 2009.06.02 07:13:00 - [20] Originally by: sushistrip vaga vs deimos = can't break its tank..... You met someone who tanks a deimos
devilator	Posted - 2009.06.02 07:27:00 - [21] Correct me if I am wrong..but if you are perma running MWD on the vaga your sig is so big a One eyed dread pilot could track you and your going to fast for you guns to track anything, hence the low dps. The speed boost is there for you to dictate range and GTFO of dodge when needed, Not to orbit at 2.9kms with a huge sig radius. The ship is meant to speed / sig tank and u cant do that perma running the mwd. This is a setup in the mids I use, it take a bit of micro managing but boy it catch folks by surpise. 10mwd T2 and and 10abt2 warp disruptor and shield extender. i close with the mwd and then switch to the afterburner to orbit doing 900 - 1200 kms (overheating 1500 kms ) with a very tiny siq radius. with a shield extender rig and a damage control u have a nice buffer tank and can wreak hell on BS and like with the orbit speed plus the small siq. IF things go bad you disengage switch to the mwd straighten out and burn away at 3kms. Try it out you might like it. Oh yea it also give those frigate the oh shi!!! factor when they close on you and web scram you and your still faster than them. Belive me your with motion prediction V and a rack of dual 180s T2s you will be hurting and out running alot of stuff!
Andrest Disch Amarr Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2009.06.02 07:36:00 - [22] Originally by: sushistrip Yes thats just personal experience but fighting 1v1 for each of those on the test server That's your problem right there. The vaga isn't meant to go one vs one with any other HAC, it's meant to zoom in, get the easy kills and then run away before anything to big comes along to kill it. You can't simulate proper Vaga battles on sisi imo.
kyrv	Posted - 2009.06.02 07:46:00 - [23] Edited by: kyrv on 02/06/2009 07:47:10 They made a fast hac it has speed if it were good it'l get nerfed.. it did anyway. What troubles me- Minmatar are so easily categorised that they are the speed bandits lol That amarr get exotic imba like curse or sac, resists or a neut the range of a hugin webber? Debate. Edit- and 90% explosive resists over minmatar >.>
Mystafyre Caldari Dark Materials Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.02 08:09:00 - [24] Originally by: sushistrip I've tried and tried....and tried some more.....and cannot for the life of me figure out how the vagabond fits the role of a heavy assault ship. Put this ship up against any other HAC, it will lose. Sure, maybe if you have all level 5 skills and fit it properly it might have a chance, but a slim one at that. It is either going to die, or have to warp off because it can't hit anything. First off: The bonuses combined with the slots This ships bonuses make absolutely no sense. How are you going to give a turret ship a bonus to speed and no bonus to tracking? And the bonus to falloff is just a slap in the face considering your transversal goes down the farther out you are, allowing other turret ships to hit you. Added to the fact that this ship gets no bonus to cap, making it just as hard to get the MWD to perma run as any other HAC. On top of all that, it gets 5 low slots.... and 4 mids?....wtf?... Of all things this ship is a tackler, therefore two of the mid slots are automatically mwd/point. On top of that, its a HAC.....you want good damage don't you?...well there goes two of your low slots for damage mods. Ok now by default the vaga goes faster than any other nanoed cruiser in the game (besides the stabber) even without speed mods....but your gona want to perma run it right?.....well there goes at least one more low and one more mid. Now, any self respectable vaga pilot knows you have to have good tracking if you want to hit your target. Well there goes the rest of your lows/mids and your rig slots. Yaaaaay now I'm ready to kill people right?.....wrong. Believe it or not you can't hit jack squat with medium guns orbiting someone at 2.9km/s, and that's the lowest speed a vaga should go.....On top of that, most turret ships (minus battleships of course) can still hit you at that speed. In conclusion to this bit, if you fit a vaga to play towards it's bonuses your going to be sorely disappointed. Now, (I could tell this was gona be a bit long so I'll shorten this up a bit) if you buffer/gank fit a vaga you can do fairly well, however any other hac is STILL going to kill you....they can fit their ships to play towards their bonuses, what do you get?....a bonus to speed?....that really helps when your sittin face to face with a deimos..... In total conclusion, you can't fly vagabond the way it was meant to be. It's a continuous circle of, "Well if I do this then that won't work." The vagabond needs something, another low/midslot perhaps, a bonus to play towards it's strength as a projectile/speedy ship, something to level the playing field. You simply just fail. Vagabond is absolutely A W E S O M E ship for scouting, solo pirating, heavy tackling and typical fleets. You fly it like a Crow, it has paper tank but you need to stay away from webbing range and with your T2 warriors you make sure that hostile drones are staying dead
OZEPATHAN Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.06.02 08:49:00 - [25] OP you fail. 1: You're setting up 1v1 hac fights on sisi. Under optimal conditions your opponents will be fitting their hacs to tank your vaga. This is not the case when you catch people by surprise on the live server. 2: Simply flaming on a ship which has won over so many people and has such a huge following in this game is silly. Instead of looking at the ship as a problem look at yourself as one. 3: Vaga is not a DPS machine, it's a solo wtf pwn mobile. Not by with it's DPS but with it's ability to control range and GTFO when needed. Ohh yeah, -10/10 Please resize signature to the maximum allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
Giannamichaels	Posted - 2009.06.02 09:07:00 - [26] Treat the vagabond like a cowardly bully is what ive heard, pick on stuff smaller than you and run when its a fair fight lol. i cant fly one yet but look forward to it.
Holy Lowlander Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.06.02 10:53:00 - [27] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Fuazzole Originally by: Gin G try the eagle instead then come back 1/10 Try the diemost instead then come back 0/10 Try the muninn instead then come back -1/10 try the zealot instead then come back _______________
Andrest Disch Amarr Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2009.06.02 11:11:00 - [28] Originally by: kyrv Edit- and 90% explosive resists over minmatar >.> Yeah, god damn that imba EM damage against t2 Minmat- Oh, wait..
Enden Assulu Caldari Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.02 11:34:00 - [29] Evacuate the thread before we reach page 2! Click the image!
Vir Hellnamin Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.06.02 11:34:00 - [30] l2fly -- "Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi [GRD]
Neacail	Posted - 2009.06.02 11:49:00 - [31] Page 2 of doom ftw? Anyway, bad troll is bad.
Johan Sabbat R.E.C.O.N. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.06.02 12:00:00 - [32] Well that's the last straw, if the vaga is bad then there really is no point to training HACs and BCs are so much easier to get in..
Lilith Krell	Posted - 2009.06.02 12:07:00 - [33] OP = Fail
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.02 13:06:00 - [34] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Fuazzole Originally by: Gin G try the eagle instead then come back 1/10 Try the diemost instead then come back 0/10 Try the muninn instead then come back -1/10 Try the... oh wait, never mind At least nobody would primary a Muninn. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.06.02 14:02:00 - [35] As it was the OP's intent to talk about fail HACs, this thread is now about the Deimos. Discuss.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.02 14:39:00 - [36] Originally by: Harris Originally by: sushistrip vaga vs deimos = can't break its tank..... You met someone who tanks a deimos I hear eftmissiondeimos has quite a good tank tyvm
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.02 14:39:00 - [37] Originally by: Kessiaan As it was the OP's intent to talk about fail HACs, this thread is now about the Deimos. Discuss. Looks like a huge wang that does 1k DPS.
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity YARRR and CO	Posted - 2009.06.02 15:26:00 - [38] Edited by: Morel Nova on 02/06/2009 15:26:41 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Kessiaan As it was the OP's intent to talk about fail HACs, this thread is now about the Deimos. Discuss. Looks like a huge wang that does 1k DPS. you almost made me want to undock mine now. Put in space whales!
Miss Xuan Pandora Requiem Ad Astra.	Posted - 2009.06.02 15:46:00 - [39] OP = Fail....cant break deimos tank? pawhahah wait for him to run out of cap booster then have fun! ahahah and deimos cant hit you at 22km + if he fit rail, too bad his tracking goes to LOL **** and maybe his 11dps will drop your buffer tank in 2 years...
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2009.06.02 16:02:00 - [40] Originally by: Morel Nova Edited by: Morel Nova on 02/06/2009 15:26:41 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Kessiaan As it was the OP's intent to talk about fail HACs, this thread is now about the Deimos. Discuss. Looks like a huge wang that does 1k DPS. you almost made me want to undock mine now. I heard that's illegal due to indecency laws. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.06.02 17:45:00 - [41] Originally by: devilator Correct me if I am wrong.. Okay, I can do that. Quote: but if you are perma running MWD on the vaga your sig is so big a One eyed dread pilot could track you and your going to fast for you guns to track anything, hence the low dps. You need to think carefully about what you just said. If you're going too fast for your guns to track anything, not much else is hitting you either, and FYI dual 180s track just fine at 2500-3000m/s. Quote: The speed boost is there for you to dictate range and GTFO of dodge when needed, Not to orbit at 2.9kms with a huge sig radius. The ship is meant to speed / sig tank and u cant do that perma running the mwd. No, the Vagabond is a range tank and a shield buffer tank, but you're correct in that that's the point of the MWD - dictating range and being able to GTFO. The sig radius does't matter when not much can actually hit you at 17km and a reasonable transveral (and plus it's not even that big)- that's basically other autocannons and pulse lasers, and the vaga has the advantage over both of those due to better falloff + T2 resists. Quote: This is a setup i use: 5x guns, medium neut (I HOPE) MWD, AB, LSE II, 24km 3x Gyro, DC II, [something] Not sure what the point of this is since they're not scrammed or webbed so they can just turn on their own MWD to even out transversal, and due to the long cycle time of the afterburner that's going to be several seconds with them being able to shoot you. interesting setup though, I know that some people use the same setup with a scram and extender rigs to hunt ratting BS. __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.02 19:08:00 - [42] Originally by: Johan Sabbat Well that's the last straw, if the vaga is bad then there really is no point to training HACs and BCs are so much easier to get in.. These aren't the Zealots you're looking for.
Odhinn Vinlandii V I R I I Cult of War	Posted - 2009.06.02 19:22:00 - [43] Originally by: sushistrip I've tried and tried....and tried some more.....and cannot for the life of me figure out how the vagabond fits the role of a heavy assault ship. Minmatar ships, projectile turrets and t2 projectile ammo have been broken for a long time. Additionally, CCP has had seven speed nerfs which crippled the entire Minmatar race and never bothered to rebalance them. (Minmatar are fast attack ships, totally relying on speed.) To fly Minmatar today is all about the tactics. Which is largely, 'chose your target wisely' type Viking raids. (Which you are not always lucky enough to get the kill before his backup shows up) Flying Minmatar solo is near impossible, and totally luck and waiting game based. ..it is not fun. -BUT- I do it anyways. Just fly what you can afford to lose. (If you fly Minmatar, you likely can not afford much, ha!) Someday, Minmatar will be brought back in line with their back story again and be comparable to other races. Until then you are right, Minmatar HACS are a joke. --- In Rust we Trust! ..but not so much in CCP's balancing.
Siobhan Amarr	Posted - 2009.06.02 20:24:00 - [44] Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii Originally by: sushistrip I've tried and tried....and tried some more.....and cannot for the life of me figure out how the vagabond fits the role of a heavy assault ship. Minmatar ships, projectile turrets and t2 projectile ammo have been broken for a long time. Additionally, CCP has had seven speed nerfs which crippled the entire Minmatar race and never bothered to rebalance them. (Minmatar are fast attack ships, totally relying on speed.) To fly Minmatar today is all about the tactics. Which is largely, 'chose your target wisely' type Viking raids. (Which you are not always lucky enough to get the kill before his backup shows up) Flying Minmatar solo is near impossible, and totally luck and waiting game based. ..it is not fun. -BUT- I do it anyways. Just fly what you can afford to lose. (If you fly Minmatar, you likely can not afford much, ha!) Someday, Minmatar will be brought back in line with their back story again and be comparable to other races. Until then you are right, Minmatar HACS are a joke. 2/10 too obvious.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.02 23:45:00 - [45] Vaga still a good ship it just looks stupid
Removal Tool Eternal Perseverance	Posted - 2009.06.03 00:17:00 - [46] I fully support the OP's misconception.
lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.06.03 00:32:00 - [47] After reading the OP, I would like to say that I think Vagas are lousy and would like to request a buff to them please /sarcasm (should go between 'lousy' & 'and' tbh) Also, confirming OP is fail vaga pilot
Magnus Castaneus Cross Roads	Posted - 2009.06.03 00:57:00 - [48] stupid troll is stupid
commonman666 Gallente WOLVES ll	Posted - 2009.06.03 01:28:00 - [49] I agree with the author. What eve needs is a boost to cruiser hull speeds as well as a boost to nanofibers and Overdrives. It is obvious that ships that can engage or disengage at will are nerfed. I suggest a Nerf to Lazorz (Amarr Whine Alert)also. Titans are too powerful and we need safer hi-sec. Trollz fed.
foobarx	Posted - 2009.06.03 06:09:00 - [50] I don't know if this post is meant to be a troll or not, but I think it's valid. And I'm wondering how many people accusing the OP of trolling have actually flown a Vaga in combat since the nanonerf.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.03 07:19:00 - [51] The Vaga is still one of the best (if not the best) roam cruisers around. The fact that it can die to a plated Deimos if scrammed and webbed by it, says nothing...everything dies under particular circumstances... One other question is: the Vaga sucks as a HAC compared to...which one? The Sacrilege? + excellent slot layout, good DPS, superb cap performance, at least it has 3 drones... - slow, slow, HAM weaknesses... it can roam for sure, yet it has some obvious weaknesses too...it cannot disengage as easily as a Vaga, and when blobbed, all die... The Zealot? + Range, DPS, Sniping capabilities - tankability = laughable (ok, u can rig it for PG or use FMPs and a 1600mm, but nobody does, can die to a frig if that gets close...single LSE setups provide some survivability, but then u either sacrifice cap boosting, or tackling gear.. It's practically a mid/long range glass (or not) cannon...u are relying on other ppl doing the dirty work (=tackling) and u cycle F1-F5...pfff big deal of a HAC...surely it's good enough for KM whoring, and yes, in large HAC guns pure dmg dealers are a good thing...yet...the vaga pwns it for usefulness ANY DAY... The Cerb: something like the Zealot, only with missiles and tankier... + Range, anti-frig capabilities, good buffer, good DPS - Solo and tackling capabilities lack compared to a vaga, just like overall usefulness in a gang (unless you fit it for anti-frig support with AMLs and it's unbeatable in that role). The Falcon nerf diminished it's 200km capabilities outside fleet engagements. The Deimos...please... Eagle...hmmm... The Muninn = u tackle, I snipe...at least it gets some drones and better shield buffer tank than a Zealot (worse DPS tho...)...the HAC alpha snipe-king...u can switch to a Cane for even higher alpha, losing some mobility (darn apocrypha 1.2) and range... Ishtar: ok for roams and solo - I guess...Never flown one tbh... Drones provide versatility against multiple classes. Can be tanked a bit, can PvE in PVP setups easily...it has it's uses All in all...compaired to which of the above is the Vaga a sad excuse? Yes, it does less DPS than some, yet it pwns big things, tackles for itself, can pwn smaller things, boosts a decent shield buffer and decent resists against the FOTM Zealots... With it's price reaching 140M a few weeks ago, I can see why one wouldn't buy a Vaga without serious thoughts, yet since mobility is the primary excuse for picking a HAC over a similarly fitted BC or BS, the Vaga remains the KING. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
sushistrip	Posted - 2009.06.03 07:33:00 - [52] (typing on iPod, sloppy post :P) I guess the deaper point of my post was that with the vaga you are forced to choose you targets (espically while solo pvping) a lot more carefully than you would the other hacs and it can be very frustrating
Delezar Hellfire-Empire	Posted - 2009.06.03 07:42:00 - [53] Originally by: sushistrip (typing on iPod, sloppy post :P) I guess the deaper point of my post was that with the vaga you are forced to choose you targets (espically while solo pvping) a lot more carefully than you would the other hacs and it can be very frustrating Total *******s, the other HACs have to choose more carefully, since they don't have the ability to outmaneuver targets they cannot kill. There are some situations where a Vagabond cannot escape, but no other HAC will usually, but there are a lot of more situations where any other HAC would just roll over and die, where the Vagabond pilot is able to get the ship out and look for new targets, instead for a new ship for himself.
Mystafyre Caldari Dark Materials Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.03 07:48:00 - [54] Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii Originally by: sushistrip I've tried and tried....and tried some more.....and cannot for the life of me figure out how the vagabond fits the role of a heavy assault ship. Minmatar ships, projectile turrets and t2 projectile ammo have been broken for a long time. Additionally, CCP has had seven speed nerfs which crippled the entire Minmatar race and never bothered to rebalance them. (Minmatar are fast attack ships, totally relying on speed.) To fly Minmatar today is all about the tactics. Which is largely, 'chose your target wisely' type Viking raids. (Which you are not always lucky enough to get the kill before his backup shows up) Flying Minmatar solo is near impossible, and totally luck and waiting game based. ..it is not fun. -BUT- I do it anyways. Just fly what you can afford to lose. (If you fly Minmatar, you likely can not afford much, ha!) Someday, Minmatar will be brought back in line with their back story again and be comparable to other races. Until then you are right, Minmatar HACS are a joke. --- In Rust we Trust! ..but not so much in CCP's balancing. So much bitterness in this one... Rapier, Hurricane, Rupture, Vagabond, Typhoon... Do I need to continue?
1600 RT	Posted - 2009.06.03 08:05:00 - [55] Originally by: Mystafyre So much bitterness in this one... Rapier, Hurricane, Rupture, Vagabond, Typhoon... Do I need to continue? no because add the rifter and you mentioned all the decent minmatar ships
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.06.03 10:46:00 - [56] never like the vaga.... but it's still a pretty damn good hac so gotta disagree with op. ----------------------------------- ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Ziester Caldari Echolalia. Shangri-La.	Posted - 2009.06.03 11:21:00 - [57] Quote: [Vagabond, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Rudimentary Energy Destabilizer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 /thread ---------- Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
foobarx	Posted - 2009.06.03 11:37:00 - [58] Originally by: Ziester Quote: [Vagabond, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Rudimentary Energy Destabilizer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 /thread Yep. That's the standard 150 dps fit. Not sure why you posted it.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.03 12:11:00 - [59] Originally by: 1600 RT Originally by: Mystafyre So much bitterness in this one... Rapier, Hurricane, Rupture, Vagabond, Typhoon... Do I need to continue? no because add the rifter and you mentioned all the decent minmatar ships Sleipnir isn't decent? The Claymore is a fantastic warfare link platform. The Maelstrom is a pretty good BS. Broadsword is the best HIC. Sabre is easily the best Dictor (and the Thrasher is arguably the best destroyer), Claw is a great inty, Prowler is the best blockade runner, Cheetah is as good a covops as any... I'd say that he mentioned less than half of the decent Minmatar ships. I'm not saying that projectiles couldn't use a little love, especially arty, but when you have excellent T1 and T2 frigates, T1 and T2 destroyers, T1 and T2 Cruisers, T1 and T2 battlecruisers, battleships and even the best T2 hauler ffs, then really, what's left to complain about? Sub-par cap ships, I guess, and even the Naglol just got a boost.
Mors Magne M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.06.03 12:22:00 - [60] Edited by: Mors Magne on 03/06/2009 12:24:47 The OP's making the mistake of permarunning the MWD. That's it really. The Vaga dosen't speed tank. None of what I'm saying is profound - it's all been said before on previous threads going back two years. The NEW M.Corp Data Hub - Check it out!
Mysteriax Scoopex	Posted - 2009.06.03 13:56:00 - [61] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: 1600 RT Originally by: Mystafyre So much bitterness in this one... Rapier, Hurricane, Rupture, Vagabond, Typhoon... Do I need to continue? no because add the rifter and you mentioned all the decent minmatar ships Sleipnir isn't decent? The Claymore is a fantastic warfare link platform. The Maelstrom is a pretty good BS. Broadsword is the best HIC. Sabre is easily the best Dictor (and the Thrasher is arguably the best destroyer), Claw is a great inty, Prowler is the best blockade runner, Cheetah is as good a covops as any... I'd say that he mentioned less than half of the decent Minmatar ships. I'm not saying that projectiles couldn't use a little love, especially arty, but when you have excellent T1 and T2 frigates, T1 and T2 destroyers, T1 and T2 Cruisers, T1 and T2 battlecruisers, battleships and even the best T2 hauler ffs, then really, what's left to complain about? Sub-par cap ships, I guess, and even the Naglol just got a boost. Where do we start Rapier is the worst Recon in the game how can you even mention it. I fly it and I can tell you it isnt good 60% webs just suck you need 3 of em to have the effect of 1 old web. So a rapier can annoy 1 target max and it dead in an instance when primaried, it isnt fast enough anymore. Sleip isnt that good anymore since speed / agi nerf. Claymore is horrible since its to slow and bulky for roams since the agi nerf. Roams is what its warfare links are made for. Oh and thrasher what does it matter its the best of a line of nearly useless ships?. Pops in a sec and the only thing it can do is anti support/frigs. Lets not get me started on the phoon you need tripple the sp to still be slightly worse then a raven or a Dominix. Cane although not bad, its worse then the drake and the harbringer so i cant call it good. Minmatar have some OK ships but only those listed below would i call good. Good ships Rifter Vigil awesome cheap tackler which people seem to forget about its as fast as an inty. Sabre Ruppy Broadsword Vaga although i find the vaga a tad lacking atm, but it has a niche and does it well. Please dont start to me about Minmatar battleships. The tracking and optimal range of projectile turrets just doesnt cut it. I can make a great mael sniper setup (Mael is so much better then a tempest for sniping). But the problem is I cant hit a Cruiser at 150km who just uses his normal movement. Our damage decreases fast after 152km, however the mael is very easy to make DD proof with the right skills, but that setup is secret :P.
sushistrip	Posted - 2009.06.03 16:43:00 - [62] Edited by: sushistrip on 03/06/2009 16:46:12 Originally by: Mors Magne Edited by: Mors Magne on 03/06/2009 12:31:19 The OP's making the mistake of permarunning the MWD. That's it really. The Vaga dosen't speed tank. None of what I'm saying is profound - it's all been said before on previous threads going back two years. If I were the OP, I'd try the tactics advised on this thread on the test server before losing more expensive Vagas. First off, I've lost one vaga and that was to a blob of recons... Secondly, I've tried every fit under the sun for the vagabond...no just perma running the mwd. And if the vaga was never meant to be speed tanked then why the hell did they give it a bonus to speed and not a bonus to shields. Yes the vaga's ability to control the range of the battle has it's advantages, but if you want your full dps you have to get right up in their face, so that bonus to speed only helps you halfway through the battle. And btw any hac with an mwd on it has the ability to "run away" from a battle just as easy as a vaga can. It's not like a web and short point is going to treat a vaga any different than it would a sacrilige for instance.
Tildes own Aliastra	Posted - 2009.06.03 17:36:00 - [63] Perhaps... it is you, who is the sorry excuse for a pilot.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2009.06.03 17:42:00 - [64] Originally by: Mysteriax however the mael is very easy to make DD proof with the right skills, but that setup is secret :P. You mean this?
sushistrip	Posted - 2009.06.03 18:46:00 - [65] Originally by: Tildes own Perhaps... it is you, who is the sorry excuse for a pilot. Perhaps....you are wrong and perhaps....that's not what the thread is discussing
Mysteriax Scoopex	Posted - 2009.06.04 02:17:00 - [66] Edited by: Mysteriax on 04/06/2009 02:18:16 Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Mysteriax however the mael is very easy to make DD proof with the right skills, but that setup is secret :P. You mean this? Nope thats not it. Thats an old fit. That old fit isn't that bad but my new one is more efficient (can add 1 gyro more without sacrificing anything else). and with the skills I had that time I wouldn't been able to fit it. Oh and the best things the 3 rigs total are cheaper then 1 trimark :P You can look at the KBs all you want but my new fitting hasn't been shot down yet, although I am quite sure it will soon. I want more pew pew!
OZEPATHAN Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.06.04 04:20:00 - [67] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Mysteriax however the mael is very easy to make DD proof with the right skills, but that setup is secret :P. You mean this? Did anyone else notice that a Vaga is at the top of that Kill Mail. Please resize signature to the maximum allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
foobarx	Posted - 2009.06.04 06:01:00 - [68] Originally by: OZEPATHAN Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Mysteriax however the mael is very easy to make DD proof with the right skills, but that setup is secret :P. You mean this? Did anyone else notice that a Vaga is at the top of that Kill Mail. I also notice the killmail is pre-nanonerf. Without knowing how it all played out there's no support for either side of the debate.
Mysteriax Scoopex	Posted - 2009.06.04 13:14:00 - [69] How it played out. I was with my former alliance ZAF in a goonfleet OP to defend a system. We came into the system and we warped to a pos (this system already had a large bob presence). We didnt get the password of the POS yet but we would get it soon so we hugged shields. Needless to say a 100 man bobfleet warped in about 75km away from me. I tried to warp off but alas to late. So the reason why the vaga's are so high, this was pre nano nerf is because they reached me within seconds while the others where slower. I was primary, some other lucky people (other allies who didnt get the pass) gladly did get away. I remember this loss quite well because it wasn't the first time I lost a ship because we didn't get a POS password and I got quite ****ed off.
Dav Varan	Posted - 2009.06.04 16:49:00 - [70] Originally by: Mysteriax How it played out. I was with my former alliance ZAF in a goonfleet OP to defend a system. We came into the system and we warped to a pos (this system already had a large bob presence). We didnt get the password of the POS yet but we would get it soon so we hugged shields. Needless to say a 100 man bobfleet warped in about 75km away from me. I tried to warp off but alas to late. So the reason why the vaga's are so high, this was pre nano nerf is because they reached me within seconds while the others where slower. I was primary, some other lucky people (other allies who didnt get the pass) gladly did get away. I remember this loss quite well because it wasn't the first time I lost a ship because we didn't get a POS password and I got quite ****ed off. Yes it was definitelly the fault of the person supplying passwords that u sat there outside the shields waiting to get primaried rather than warping between safes. So to the op is this like a joke yeah ? On your transversal issues , you say others are hitting you yet you cant seem to hit them ? afaik transversal is the same for both ships even if one is stationary and only the other orbits. No you dont have to orbit at max speed there is a speed control right in the middle of your hud, select the speed you want to go to suit your transversal. I dont like the vaga personally , but many people swear by them, they are designed to be hit and run vessels which they are very good at. Speed to get into combat and out of combat when in an unfavourable situation just dont get yourself scrammed and you should do fine in a vaga "You're the kind of people who would complain about the power of the queen if you played chess." Abulurd Boniface
sushistrip	Posted - 2009.06.04 17:01:00 - [71] Edited by: sushistrip on 04/06/2009 17:02:26 Originally by: Dav Varan No you dont have to orbit at max speed there is a speed control right in the middle of your hud, select the speed you want to go to suit your transversal. Yea, if I want to die ill orbit at half my speed, but I do agree with the rest of your statements
OZEPATHAN Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.06.04 17:19:00 - [72] Originally by: Mysteriax How it played out. I was with my former alliance ZAF in a goonfleet OP to defend a system. We came into the system and we warped to a pos (this system already had a large bob presence). We didnt get the password of the POS yet but we would get it soon so we hugged shields. Needless to say a 100 man bobfleet warped in about 75km away from me. I tried to warp off but alas to late. So the reason why the vaga's are so high, this was pre nano nerf is because they reached me within seconds while the others where slower. I was primary, some other lucky people (other allies who didnt get the pass) gladly did get away. I remember this loss quite well because it wasn't the first time I lost a ship because we didn't get a POS password and I got quite ****ed off. Pre or Post Nerf doesn't matter with respect to this situation. A vaga would still be able to close 50 km very quickly and get a point on you before you would be able to warp off. Which is another reason why a vaga is a really good HAC. Choosing to fly a vaga is about your style of flying. If your style is to hit approach, web, scram, f1-f5 while hitting approach the whole time than the ship you are looking for is a diemost, or something similar. If you're looking for actual flying, dog fighting, ability to disangage and warp off when backup arrives than a vaga is for you. To the OP: You do not get a vaga within scramming range of your target, unless you know for sure that a target doesn't have a scram fitted. If you get scrammed you are dead. this discussion is pretty dead atm, post your vaga kill mails instead Please resize signature to the maximum allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
Myrkala Minmatar Aurora Acclivitous	Posted - 2009.06.04 17:33:00 - [73] Vaga vs Zealot: Load RF PP and wtfpwn the Zealot, pretty much. Vaga vs Cerb: A Cerb only has about 200-300 eDPS against a Vaga moving, so a lot of that dps goes down the drain, resists are in its favour. Fit RF EMP and try to keep moving a lot. Ishtar and Sacri are more tricky cause they generally are tankier. Wear them down if you think they don't have friends and neut them when they run out of cap boosters or just call in your own friends. "Ruppie ain't no puppie."
Redon Minmatar Destructive Influence KenZoku	Posted - 2009.06.07 22:09:00 - [74] Originally by: OZEPATHAN Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Mysteriax however the mael is very easy to make DD proof with the right skills, but that setup is secret :P. You mean this? Did anyone else notice that a Vaga is at the top of that Kill Mail. hehe i remember that day vagas ftw
Lotty Granat Superior Shipyards	Posted - 2009.06.07 22:57:00 - [75] Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii Flying Minmatar solo is near impossible, and totally luck and waiting game based. ..it is not fun. -BUT- I do it anyways. Just fly what you can afford to lose. (If you fly Minmatar, you likely can not afford much, ha!) Meh - you fail. Either you don't understand the ships or you really are poor a target selection. Either way = Fail. Nothing WTFPWNs everything else and nothing should - welcome to eve.
Warrio GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.08 01:49:00 - [76] Originally by: sushistrip if you have all level 5 skills and fit it properly it might have a chance I know!! How annoying is it when you have to train the correct skills AND fit the ship properly.

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